I love that we as gamers learn to stop moving when dialogue is happening because you don't want to have it cut off suddenly

@abelchavez2463

Жыл бұрын

It's kinda a bummer that it can cut off, def a mechanic that could be improved upon.

@CityStarrzz

Жыл бұрын

@@abelchavez2463yes, it should queue the next bit of dialogue from the trigger.

@HeyItsAUsername

Жыл бұрын

mimir: * in the middle of opening up and expressing his feelings * kratos: * docks somewhere * we’ll talk about this later.

@azorious950

Жыл бұрын

@@HeyItsAUsername That's a very Kratos thing to do, actually xD

@DrSabot-A

Жыл бұрын

@@abelchavez2463 It doesnt get cut off, actually. When you hop on again, they replay the dialogue with "what were we talking about?". This is true for 2018 and Ragnarok

I knew Odin was a master manipulator from the stores in the 2018 game, but this was a whole new level. I know the fake Tyr was very sus but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was just so ridiculously traumatized, and maybe that's why he acted that way. Because even if it was the real Tyr, his attitude would have still fit. -Calling Freya Frigg? Because that's how he and all the Aesir knew her before her banishment. -Being scared of fighting? Because he's a worn down soldier himself who was fed up with how Odin had abused him. -Hiding in a broom closet? Because just like Kratos, he wanted his privacy and to stay away from people. -Fearing Ragnarok? Because he always chose pacifism, he practiced peace no matter the cost. -Calling Atreus Loki? Because he was one of the few people the Giants trusted and would use his Jotnar name to show his solidarity with his kind. The game knew that we never actually met the real Tyr before, so it could still fool us. Had we known Ty'rs personality before finding him in the Aesir prison, we coulda seen the lies coming from miles away. Odin was really clever, until that one failed lie which Brok figured out.

@morphayangze2737

Жыл бұрын

With this comment alone, no one could've guessed either way because of how well Odin hid his tracks. But I'm pretty sure that no first timers realized it sooner that the answer is right under their noses. The difference between Tyr and Tÿr...

@insertedgynamehere___969

Жыл бұрын

So sad Brok got killed finding out Tyr wasn't actually Týr

@squashmallow2006

Жыл бұрын

@@morphayangze2737 Aye. Not to mention, if you're not using larger subtitles, the accent on Týr could be very easily missed. Worse if you're not using subtitles at all.

@thekillercow586

Жыл бұрын

I'm more surprised that neither Mimir or Freya realized that something was off After all they knew Tyr quite well

@stevent3676

Жыл бұрын

@@thekillercow586 Mimir was imprisoned in that tree on top of the mountain for over 109 winters, while it had been ages since anybody had ever seen Týr.

I like that Mimir points out compassion isn't a weakness. Because while there are people like Odin that will exploit other's compassion it is not the fault of the person but the one exploiting it. Odin being Tyr was honestly a really good twist, and I love that his disguise wasn't absolute, keen players might pick up in something. Calling Fryea Frigg, his reaction to the true outcome of Ragnarok, his surpise about what happened to the ring, his cooking *knowledge*. The tiny detail with the subtitles. It was all wonderfully crafted which makes the betrayal hurt so much more as the take-no-crap Brok was the one to sense something was off.

@skelint

Жыл бұрын

the subtitles?

@StripesChaosGremlin

Жыл бұрын

@@skelint When Odin is impersonating the Norse god of war. The subtitles show his name as 'Tyr' where when anyone talks about him, they call him 'Týr' which is the proper spelling with the little... Thingy on top of the 'y'

@skelint

Жыл бұрын

@@StripesChaosGremlin oh shit, that's brilliant

@StripesChaosGremlin

Жыл бұрын

@The Rain Bow Odin himself is a good example of that. Considering everything he has done to achieve his goal. The lives he's messed up, Mimir, Frya, the dwarves, the ravens, who the fuck is gonna care if he can now make things better. If he had just used the knowledge he had to forge relationship and help people, instead of exploit, belittle or kill people, he'd still be alive.

@jazz265

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was odd how easily Kratos and Atreus freed him when Odin went to such lengths to cover up his "death". It did take a long time to reach him and the path was swarming with hostile creatures which I thought might've been Odin's method of deterring anyone from searching the mines. But when I found Tyr's cell I was fully expecting a boss fight enemy to be guarding him maybe even an early rematch with Thor and thought it was strange how the Einherjar only arrived after Tyr was freed. But once that level was done I chalked it up to the producers must've believed fighting all those enemies would've been enough for the player, and in-universe Odin likely didn't feel the need to have sentries around Tyr since there wasn't any for Mimir. Then the rest of the game unfolded and I forgot these suspicions and I was kicking myself for not realizing my earlier suspicions.

I can understand why Mimir was so angry at Odin for fooling everyone into thinking he was Tyr, including Mimir himself. Freya and Mimir knew Odin personally, yet they were still fooled by his disguise. To make it worse, Odin was able to hide one of his ravens in the broom closet, as a means of going to and coming from Asgard, and he was able to come up with reasonable excuses to stay in the broom closet for long periods and to keep people from checking the broom closet. It just shows how much of a master manipulator Odin was.

Just gotta say say mimir's dialog and sentence structure is phenomenal.

Mimir: *starts speaking* Kratos: I feel like i need to stop for some reason if you know you know lol

I love how Kratos also comments about hunting that the eyes can lie but smells do not. Then Mimir here says sniffing him out. He's also driven mad by the smell of Tyr's stew.

Even Freya got fooled and still she lived with him for many years in Asgard, it really proves how Odin is good in deceiving.

Yeah, I think he would have been found out faster if any of them tried to force "Tyr" to do what they wanted. Granted, the Dwarves probably should have kept a closer eye on what was going on in their own home.

@mithiwithi

Жыл бұрын

All the more reason why Sindri was so broken. He tries to blame everyone else, but he knows deep down how much of a role he played in how things ended up.

@AyroDynamics

Жыл бұрын

@@mithiwithi He openly acknowledges himself as one of the bigger fools when he starts listing all the things he did for Atreus, so he knows. Still, he should have kept an eye around his house but he’s always had a good heart so he probably respected “Tyr”’s privacy.

@squashmallow2006

Жыл бұрын

@@AyroDynamics Furthermore, he was the one who offered to tag along with Atreus when he was searching for Tyr. And he was genuinely happy to see "Tyr" show up at his doorstep as his reputation was basically spotless, and loved by all.

@spritzerhijo

Жыл бұрын

@@squashmallow2006 and you know what more depressing? When Brok himself is aware and sniffing something is not right from the early Tyr step in the house while Sindri did not have any awareness just give Tyr all of his need in the house

@abhikergaming7783

11 ай бұрын

Tyr was a person that everybody loved,adored and respected if anybody saw him they would give one of their kidneys as a good gesture

We call that the Batman Gambit. Where the person has the others so psychologically clocked they actually count on them doing what they do to use it against them. In this case their stupid bleeding hearts.

@ExactlySandwich

Жыл бұрын

He even discouraged them from finding Tyr at the start of the game knowing they would STILL do it even with Kratos' stern discouragement. Odin is 13 steps ahead.

@aRandomFox00

Жыл бұрын

You say "bleeding hearts" as though having empathy is a weakness.

@nunyabeezaxe2030

Жыл бұрын

@@aRandomFox00 It's one thing to feed the homeless and another bringing one into your home without properly vetting them.

@luc8461

Жыл бұрын

@@nunyabeezaxe2030 but this isn't about the homeless, this is about Tyr, someone who they had already heard about and who they knew would be on their side. Or would have been on their side if it wasn't Odin all along and Odin wasn't an evil prick

@nunyabeezaxe2030

Жыл бұрын

​@@luc8461 It was a metaphor and thus appropriate in regard to balancing compassion and reason. The two have to meet, and in the case of Kratos and gang they were all compassion and no reason. Everyone wants to say their hands are clean because Odin looked like a Tyr and quacked like Tyr so it was okay to assume he was Tyr, when even at times Tyr wasn't being Tyr. He iS A huRt MaN sO We JuSt AsSumEd Exactly. You weaved your own story around him overlooking the evidence that this is in fact not Tyr. Mimir should have been up on that more since he actually called out Try's cowardice. Red flags everywhere.

When you think about it. Mimir, the smartest man alive who was not a fighter in the least was put in a tree which couldn't be damaged even with mjolnir. But tyr, the god of war was put in a room with a rope around his neck, that was the biggest giveaway and yet i still never questioned tyr.

@Luffy-is-King

10 ай бұрын

That could have been a specially crafted rope, and the door to that room was sealed very well.

@grimtunes3527

10 ай бұрын

@@Luffy-is-King specially crafted? Kratos cut it more easily than i can cut potatoes. And sealed door? It's destroyed with sonic arrows which are dwarf speciality, and guess where he was imprisoned? The realm of dwarves. Thor could unleash his power on maximum overdrive and wouldn't put a dent in the tree mimir was imprisoned in, but a above avarage dwarf could've released the god of war from his dungeon

Imagine if Odin didn't lose his cool and revealed himself.

@wildman456

Жыл бұрын

Ikr it would’ve been so cool they actually had Odin win the battle but lose the war. Imagine if they did some shit like Tyr slowly walking with the mask in hand and before you know it ravens surround him and he reveals himself to be Odin all along. Odin gets the mask and then Ragnarök can play out with the Norse gods feeling more powerful

@kjj26k

Жыл бұрын

@@wildman456 He would have led them all through his "secret path" into Asgard, a trap, and they all would have died.

@StripesChaosGremlin

Жыл бұрын

If he didn't kill Brok, Odin would still possibly be alive, soul traped in rock but alive.

@silentnquiet

Жыл бұрын

@@wildman456 this would've been cool. Also imagine if Odin looked inside the rift and went insane because of that infinite knowledge he was seeking all this time, proving Kratos right that shortcuts are not a good thing.

@abhikergaming7783

11 ай бұрын

@@kjj26k I think you underestimate the power of the drarven brothers and the gods

Thought it was weird that when we first found Tyr that there were a few feathers in the room he was held captive at the mines. Never thought anything of it until Odin revealed himself. Instantly thought of those feathers in the room.

@Luffy-is-King

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, those feathers could have come there whenever Odin wanted to torture Týr.

@jajohannesson

9 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@Luffy-is-KingTýr was never locked in the mines. There were feathers there from Odin using the ravens to teleport to the “cell”. Týr was always locked in the prison that eventually landed in Niflheim.

@Luffy-is-King

8 ай бұрын

@jajohannesson I knew that part. I was just pointing out that it was possible that those feathers COULD have come in whenever Odin wanted to torture Týr.

@jajohannesson

8 ай бұрын

@@Luffy-is-King But Týr was never there like I said??

@themanwithnoname3250

6 ай бұрын

@@jajohannesson Necro-ing your comment to remind you that the premise of Odin's deception was that Tyr HAD been locked in the mine and was being tortured by Odin. Therefore, in this FALSE situation, the feathers COULD have been from previous visits by Odin to torture "Tyr". Their point was that the feathers are perfectly excusable in the false narrative put forth by Odin as "Tyr", and so without knowledge of the overall deception, don't mean anything on their own.

0:49 The way Kratos shakes and then yells as he goes forward fits so much with the scene lol

My headcanon: Odin had a secondary spell in the mix. NOT one that actually fooled them; his act and the goodwill assumptions were always the primary trick. No, this spell just caused any lingering questions to go unasked, statements to go unchallenged. It worked best on someone with a complete soul; Brok, with a missing piece to his soul, and utterly a contrarian in all things, was less affected, to his sad fate.

Thanks for sharing with us this beautiful conversation!

I learned from the soup Midgard is frozen , yet he found vegetable, massive give away

@grimtunes3527

Жыл бұрын

He found vegetables? Wasn't it just brok and sidri stocking up the house with food so they wouldn't starve?

@jajohannesson

9 ай бұрын

@@grimtunes3527 I’m fairly certain vegetables could only grow in Asgard. Since Midgard was frozen and Svartalfeim’s soil was poisoned by the mining rigs. So the only way “Týr” could have had vegetables if he had access to Asgard which he obviously would not expect it wasn’t him and Odin all along which is how he had vegetable’s.

@grimtunes3527

9 ай бұрын

@@jajohannesson aren't brok and sindri able to travel to every corner of every realm? There could be some vegetables in far off side of midgard, or maybe they went to vanaheim, And there's no way there's no vegetables in svartlfheim with there being a whole dwarf city and everything

@jajohannesson

9 ай бұрын

@@grimtunes3527 Midgard is plagued by Fimbulwinter so wherever you go it’s snow ice and cold so no vegetables could grow there currently. And the dwarves had to import vegetables from Asgard after the soil was poisoned by the mining rigs. So while Svartalfheim had vegetables they were all from Asgard. And yes I suppose it’s possible they might have got some from Vanaheim. But since there is a conversation with Brok about how Týr put vegetables in the soup and how Brok was confused by it. I think it’s safe to say that Brok and Sindri didn’t have vegetables in the house before “Týr” showed up.

@grimtunes3527

9 ай бұрын

@@jajohannesson brok and sindri talked about not having vegetables? How'd i miss that? I guess it makes sense why brok was suspecting impostor Týr

It's ok, Mimir. If Odin can disguise himself as a pretty lady and trick Freyr into willingly give up his sword, then him fooling you should be mere child's play.

I still find it funny that a bunch of people called it that the tyr we saw was fake before the game came out. I was on the fence on that theory leaning towards no. I guess they where the big brains this time.

Did kratos ever figure out the gravedigger was really Zeus?

@Gundam4

6 ай бұрын

No

Wow I knew this conversation just now. Thanks 👍

Kratos is angry at himself as well. Thats why he rode the sleigh in anger. He shouted "hua".

and they say loki is the god of tricks.

@pharaohbubbles1547

Ай бұрын

Tbf, the worst things Loki did in the myths were call Freya a whore and purposely got Baldur killed

I would be upset too.

You shouldn’t put this in the title just showed up in my recommended and now it’s spoilt the whole thing cheers

Mimir almost let out Senator Armstrong there.

Huh i got the 100% never got this. Well honestly theres a few lines i never heard. Some i actually only heard responses to. Mimir said something to freya once but i only heard freya...

Why does the gold look so yellow?

Weird that he won't see compassion as a weakness when it very much was. Not saying to throw your compassion away, but what he said shows that he hasn't actually learned from this and will blindly trust again because his compassion tells him to.

@imaloser5689

10 ай бұрын

Blind trust isn't compassion. Compassion is the ability to see the suffering of someone and treat them in a way that takes that into account.

@hagamapama

5 ай бұрын

Compassion brought Kratos the strength he needed to bring down Asgard. Because of Kratos' compassion, Freya, Freyr, the Huldra brothers, Thrud, and even Thor, eventually turned on Odin

Funny thing is: I knew Tyr was Odin the whole time. Especially due to the fact that he wouldn’t fight, wasn’t around whenever Atreus or Kratos were split up, and it was *WAY* too easy to free him Like remember how hard it was to get Mimir?!?!

@snappedsquire8479

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly it, it was Odin from the beginning. The real Tyr was in Asgard the whole time.

@Firemaster27

Жыл бұрын

And the subtitles called him “Tyr” instead of “Tÿr”

@jeremiahscott2032

Жыл бұрын

@@snappedsquire8479 well he was kinda in the realm between realms but that too

@jeremiahscott2032

Жыл бұрын

@@Firemaster27 also that

@samvanroon5041

Жыл бұрын

Agreed the fact that it was too easy to free him was the biggest hint that something was fishy, I could see Tyr being alive before we learned he really was but Odin would never leave someone as important as Tyr somewhere he wouldn't be 100% sure of his imprisonment at all times, somewhere you would literally have to go through him first before you had a chance to find him.

What can I say? Master Manipulator. 🙁

@aranha6285

4 ай бұрын

Master Manipulator my A$$

And this is what makes a difference between Zeus and Odin. Sure Odin and most of Norse God is not as powerful as Zeus. But Odin had a different approach which makes him as dangerous or even more dangerous than Zeus depend on how you look at it.

@thechunkmaster8794

5 ай бұрын

Kratos was able to kill Zeus alone, but he needed Freya and Atreus’ help to beat Odin. Odin is substantially stronger than Zeus.

@th3ra83

5 ай бұрын

@@thechunkmaster8794 No. Kratos might be stronger in God of War 4 and 5 but he literally holding back his rage and his madness which is always his source of power by A LOT. Even Mimir himself said it. The Greece have many flavor of Power which Norse never had and the death of the Gods impact more than the Norse. Even Mimir said that Sisters of Fate is ridiculously broken lol. If this was Younger Kratos in his bloodthirsty form he would rip Odin and everyone else in his sight.

@thechunkmaster8794

5 ай бұрын

@@th3ra83 What makes current Kratos strong is his *control* over his rage, not the rage itself. Succumbing to his rage means Kratos loses that essential control, and the game heavily implies that it would've made him die to Thor in the end.

@th3ra83

5 ай бұрын

@@thechunkmaster8794 Nope. Kratos does not want rage to overwhelm him because he knows full well how that becomes. Kratos's source of power is always his Rage. And he tried to suppress this Rage all the times in the Norse Realm. He even mention that several times how Vengeance and Rage consumed him in the past and that HE DOESN'T WANT that to happen again which is why he generally avoids fighting if he can and that is why he initally very conflicted to even take up the mantle if God of War again.

@thechunkmaster8794

5 ай бұрын

@@th3ra83 Did everything I said just go over your head? Kratos' fear of succumbing to bloodlust is irrelevant to my point. My point was that this unrestrained bloodlust actually makes him a worse fighter. Look at the description for Spartan Fury. It reads: " _Balance fury with control_ to stay alive and win against odds." Control is how Kratos makes the most of his rage; reverting to his younger self loses him that control.

Odin is to everybody a one trick pony and a cheap trick circus. He fooled everybody and even the players. He is a mad bastard. He wasn’t strong in the end during the battle.

@anthonyrodriguez8788

Жыл бұрын

dude he beat Kratos and Atreus and they needed to be saved bt Freya, barring maybe Zeus, Odin is the most powerful opponent Kratos has ever fought.

@anthonyrodriguez8788

Жыл бұрын

@@KingGamerz293 in terms of gameplay no doubt, she puts even Charon and Zeus to shame, but in terms of lore I feel like Odin edges out Sigrun.

@hagamapama

5 ай бұрын

No, of course he wasn't strong in personal combat. If Odin is fighting he's already lost. His plan always involves the enemy being defeated before his hands have to get dirty.

Idk how he didnt notice it. Every story mimir told us about odin's particular mannerisms was said/done right in front of him. Calling freya frigg, it was obvious he didnt actually want peace, the thing with the mask, and also if i recall correctly his voice slipped. Theres an example in everything he said and did. Plus, youd think mimir would be able to tell the eyes werent real since he has had the eyes longer than tyr and actually uses them. Tyr used them more frequently. While this was a great idea, it definitely should not have been drawn out for so long. They should have had the turning point be when atreus returns. But then we have to get to asgard by killing heimdall. Instead of having it all at the very end.

All the lies and false encouragement for a stupid mask, what a joke of a charade.

Thanks for this title popping up and spoiling the game for me

Bad writing. Thre. That's how.

@pharaohbubbles1547

Ай бұрын

How so?

@TheMajinTrunks

Ай бұрын

​@@pharaohbubbles1547 Don't open that can of worms. Ragnarok is one of the worst written pieces of media i've ever had the digust of playing. Retcons, contradictions, plot holes. I'll give you just one: The game starts with Atreus and Kratos looking for Tyr. Right? And a SECRET SHRINE, odin knows NOTHING about.... points them to Svartleheim. Now these shrines are never wrong. Prophecy and such. But in this particular case, they are wrong, because Tyr is Asgard. So Kratos and Atreus are looking in the WRONG place based on WRONG information. Odin meanwhile, without KNOWING that Kratos and Atreus have wrong information... diguses himself as Tyr in svartleheim. Man what a stroke of luck. Odin, without KNOWING the protags are working off of WRONG information, sets up a diguse that alligns PERFECTLY with said WRONG information. What a stroke of luck... the wrong information from a source that otherwise is never wrong, helps Odin out of sheer dumb luck. Bad writing. Bonus one: Cut surtr out of the story and nothing actually changes. IN fact everything turns out better if you cut surtr out of the plot extra bonus: Sindri is the biggest asshole ever. Apparently he could build a thing that breaks the Asgardian wall, but didn't. Milenia of genocide by Odin and he didn't do squat. and these are some of the SMALL ones.... The game is ass.

@pharaohbubbles1547

Ай бұрын

So these small nitpicks make it ass? OK then. Your opinions are your own, I suppose

@TheMajinTrunks

Ай бұрын

@@pharaohbubbles1547 Nitpicks? THe .... literal WAY Odin makes it into the good graces of the main characters ... a MAJOR plot point... is a nit pick...> The ENTIRE ENDING of the story... is a nitpick? Are.. are you insane?

@pharaohbubbles1547

Ай бұрын

@TheMajinTrunks the craft Sindri used destroyed the siege engines, not the wall itself. That part alone isn't a 'major' point in the story. It just happens Odin is a master manipulator. Anything he seemingly does is for himself above pretty much anyone. He tricks the protagonists as a person we knew nothing of but from stories, is kinda on brand for him, yea? The game does go out of its way to trick and show you several times somethings amiss You also seem to be in a small minority of people who don't like the game, but you seem to be the 1st to do so on some, rather interesting points. But, you didn't wanna open those cans, right?

Kratos meanwhile providing insightful commentary.