This is reparations for Chicago foamers from the Metra video

@NotJeremy_

2 жыл бұрын

Make a jazz one for Chicago and northwestern

@spenceranderson2072

2 жыл бұрын

as a metra foamer, i accept these reparations.

@evanharkin

2 жыл бұрын

nyc jazz mix please alan

@trainman2226

2 жыл бұрын

as someone from shitcago, even though i dont particularly like metra ill gladly accept

@johnarnehansen9574

2 жыл бұрын

I think every railroad should follow their example!..

Meanwhile in an Alternate World: Milwaukee Road kept electrification. The 1970's oil crisis showed how beneficial electrification is, and the vast majority of the US rail network was wired. In metro areas, this lead to the wide deployment of EMUs, and great regional rail. And it ran on nationalised tracks under conrail. Okay, maybe not the last bit (I'm sure it'd still be privatised again after breaking even).

@weenisw

2 жыл бұрын

Your vision is so beautiful, and I think realistic, that it hurts deeply

@MLIW265-FAN

Жыл бұрын

God I wish 😢

@DavidNightjet

Жыл бұрын

We're closer now to Conrail than we think All we need is for the Class Is to keep fucking up to the point that the government seizes control so that our freight logistics don't crumble and ruin the country further

@AguynamednotAaron

8 ай бұрын

They had begun to stop electrification during the oil crisis if I am correct

When American rail traction was some of the best and most technologically advanced in the world...

@EmyrDerfel

2 жыл бұрын

Wait, which decade?

@Sven_Okas1967

2 жыл бұрын

@@EmyrDerfel 1930-1940.....

@samuelsmith6281

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sven_Okas1967 I'd say the early fifties too. A lot of good steam, diesel and electric traction from 1930's until the 1950's and then it slowly went to shit with Eisenhower's presidency and the road building program he brought in.

@anthonybanchero3072

2 жыл бұрын

Love the irony about the name for the newest electrics the Milwaukee used.

@RTSRafnex2

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuelsmith6281 wait in what universe was steam and diesel considered advanced in the 1950s?

This is the embodiment of missing something you never got to experience. RIP to the best unnecessary transcon route. The Milwaukee Road may have done it wrong, but they were wrong with style.

@theanonymousman3406

2 жыл бұрын

Pardon me but how did they do it wrong?

@jasonwhitler4167

2 жыл бұрын

@@theanonymousman3406 The Pacific extension was kinda doomed to fail since it was redundant. When the BN merger occurred, a lot of their rail traffic disappeared.

@AVeryRandomPerson

2 жыл бұрын

@Jen They also had messes of routes, with the Rock Island having a maze of tracks in the midwest, and the Milwaukee Road having a unnecessary electrification system on a horribly designed route

@ThermiteBeGiants

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonwhitler4167 The Milwaukee Road had plenty of traffic, even on the renowned Pacific Extension - it even got a surprising traffic boost after the BN merger through trackage rights granted in Washington State. It didn’t die through lack of traffic, the MILW was murdered by its directors through a combination of mismanagement and asset-stripping all through the post-WW2 years. The MILW was heavily under-capitalised. They had the traffic, they just had no money to maintain a functional railroad. That’s why they were looking for a merger partner all through the 50s & 60s - they wanted a sugar daddy to bail them out (and by them I especially mean the directors, not just the railroad operation). Management miscalculated, they couldn’t get a bailout and they went bust.

@jasonwhitler4167

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThermiteBeGiants I was always under the impression that they lost a lot of their traffic due to poor performance at the end. I guess I need to hit the books again. Regardless they always had the cards stacked against them considering the Northern Pacific and Burlington were basically built to merge from the start.

Imagine if all the billions spent on roads and highways was spent on railroads instead...

@torquetrain8963

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed very true. Car centricism has destroyed the USA. The auto barons are some sick people. Trains are much safer and efficient. Take Detroit and all of the American cities designed as being car centric from the ground up. Car deaths every few hours in the U.S. Barons dont care how many die. They just want you to have all the ''freedom'' a car brings.....monthly payments, car insurance, taxes, parking spots, fuel, maintanance, road rage, gridlock. Lol. The greatest money making machine ever devised. Call it anything else , and you are Un- American. Lol. Oh my. God forbid any alternatives to king car.

@trevorderper5050

2 жыл бұрын

and the milwaukee road would have kept their electrification and if railroads got more then we could have a great railway system just like europe

@torquetrain8963

2 жыл бұрын

@@trevorderper5050 That would be heaven on earth. As a professional delivery driver, I wish that I could take a commuter train to work, then when I am finished take it back home. 1 hour and 30 minutes not driving my own car after having driven truck all day to make a living. America's politics are so messed up. Transportation should never be a partisan issue. People have been so blinded and brainwashed. We have no infrastructure. I live 35 minutes from the 3rd largest city in the northwest USA, and there is absolutely no passenger rail!!!!!!! This should be an outrage!!! This is not normal!!! Idaho is the most car centric brainwashed state ever when it comes to trains . I ask anyone...were the pioneers who built the transcontinental railways commies? Am I saying to give up your guns so you can ride the train? No!!!! People in America are so dumb when it comes to transportation!!

@AlexCab_49

2 жыл бұрын

@@torquetrain8963 Conservatives here in California hate the high speed rail we're building and they think all transit riders are homeless ppl or jobless bums.

@NicLaue

2 жыл бұрын

@@torquetrain8963 I feel that, my state even has rail...but we refuse to put any money towards it and the conservative governor, Sununu, would rather buy busses for a private company than sponsor rail. It just sucks, it's like pulling teeth here in New Hampshire...I can't imagine how it is in Idaho.

I witnessed the Milwaukee Road electrics in operation once while on a trip through Montana as a kid with my family back in July 1968. Nice, vintage, footage and thanks for sharing!

Seeing these long uniform electric streamliner trains with the typical MILW observation cars at the ends, it really isn’t much of a stretch to reimagine them as modern electric inter-city trains, the observation cars being replaced by cab cars, not too different in general appearance. It’s a crying shame that this isn’t how things developed.

@bipbipletucha

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking similar things watching the Olympian Hi fly past

@zacharylegaspi7594

2 жыл бұрын

I like to imagine what an fully American designed and built high speed train would look like

@therosijedha

2 жыл бұрын

im very dissapointed that we went from having thousands of km of electrified rail to just about 1000 km of electrified rail.

@davidw5266

2 жыл бұрын

@@zacharylegaspi7594 Imagine a Penn Central/Amtrak Metroliner!

@zacharylegaspi7594

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidw5266the metroliner has the aerodynamics of a soup can it doesn't count

Electric US railways are the thing. It used to be the state of the art. Pennsylvania electrified before there was even a transmission network, so they built their own.

@davidty2006

2 жыл бұрын

and ngl the GG 1 is sure one of the better looking locomotives america has built. Sure fits it's time.

Coast division guy here. Yeah, I'm depressed now! Still, I was luckier than most and survived the financial train wreck that most employees suffered as a result of the Milwaukee collapse. You definitely took me back to the 70's for sure!😎

Why does this make me feel nostalgic for a railroad in another country which I never lived to see….

@atsfrailfan5367

Жыл бұрын

Idk but i feel the same

@Madwonk

Жыл бұрын

It's the American West. An endless expanse of mostly uninhabited land which will outlast every one of us. The climate is extreme, with mountains on par with Everest and plains so flat you'd think you can see the curvature of the earth. If you don't die of heatstroke, you'll freeze to death from temperatures that rival Siberia. There's a reason it's so sparsely populated. Yet, I miss it every day. Milwaukee Road spanned this in an era where America was willing to dream big. Sure, things were pretty bad, but we were at least making an attempt at a better world. Even California, the last refuge of the American dream, has lost that hope. Nobody can afford to move there and pursue a better life anymore.

@TRtraybloxeey

Жыл бұрын

@@Madwonk the american dream… is dead

never forget what they took from you

The things that could have been... Meanwhile, Italian HSR has murked an air line.

@DavidNightjet

2 жыл бұрын

You saw that NJB video too?

My grandparents used to own an Apple Orchard near the former Milwaukee Road mainline in Othello. They never actually saw the trains run through since they got the property after the railroad went bankrupt. Tho there was an old substation that remained that still stands to this day.

everything good that this country has has been lost to time. and highways

It's so surreal seeing electrics running through that mountain country, I live on the Donner Pass route and if we had the readily available Hydro Electric, we probably would have been electrified alas the mighty truckee tis but a creek when compared to the rivers in northern Montana lol.

@davidty2006

2 жыл бұрын

Electric trains are actually the best ways to tackle a mountain pass just ask the swiss or any country in the alps. Also gain the benefit mainly today of generating power when going down hill.

@needsmetal

Жыл бұрын

they tried it in the 60s but it failed, I blame over complacted for no reason German engineering

I'm originally from the Pacific Northwest, so the Milwaukee and its Pacific Extension will always hold a special place in my heart. The Pacific Extension was the brainchild of William Rockefeller, brother of the infamous John D. Rockefeller and owner of the Anaconda Copper Company. Rockefeller was annoyed at having to pay exorbitant rates for shipping copper out of Montana on the Northern Pacific, so he talked the board of the Milwaukee Road (which he sat on) into building a route to the Pacific Northwest to spite James J. Hill. The whole reason the Pacific Extension was electrified was because Rockefeller wanted to funnel some of that construction money into his own pockets. In the end, the Milwaukee was saddled with an expensive extension it couldn't really afford, which was exacerbated by the Great Northern and Northern Pacific's refusal to set joint rates with the Milwaukee west of the Twin Cities. This latter issue was resolved as a condition of the Burlington Northern merger, by which point the Milwaukee was too far gone to turn things around.

Although this footage mainly fixates on Milwaukee's Electrics- Their steam locomotives (although nowhere in the ballpark of environmentally friendly ) were some of the most beautiful, from the partially streamlined Northerns (Milwaukee Road #261) to the Flagships of the era, the 4-4-2 atlantic and 4-6-4 Hiawatha's, perhaps one of the most unique streamlined steam locomotives' to date. Just my 2 cents on the Milwaukee.

@mpetersen6

Жыл бұрын

It's a crying shame that one of the steam Hiawatha's could not be preserved. In the 70s or 80s Model Railroader had a fantasy cover about a Hiawatha being discovered in an old disused engine shed.

@mpetersen6

Жыл бұрын

And just how did the Milwaukee generate the power for their electrics? Or were they buying the power?

Its very sad the Milwaukee Road is gone. Its probably one of my favorite railroads. There is an abandoned railroad bridge in central Washington called the Beverly Railroad Bridge that still has its catenary poles. Luckily it's in the NRHP.

RIP to what America could have been.. Got a strong melancholic vibe from this, but hey maybe someday soon we can turn this ship around. Here's to having public infrastructure before I go stir crazy

@weenisw

2 жыл бұрын

This is what I feel and it’s worse that the people I know irl don’t see that we chose a dystopian path compared to what we could have built upon. Instead we demolished our assets and abandoned our cities

@torquetrain8963

2 жыл бұрын

@@weenisw You are spot on.

@torquetrain8963

2 жыл бұрын

Amen.

The poor, poor Milwaukee Road. They had something truly great going for them, and had they not been screwed over by their management and lasted into this era, we could have potentially seen America's first transcontinental electrified corridor. Maybe... Still, their equipment was _swanky,_ and it's a shame it went to waste.

I finished an essay and submitted it just as the final chords of Save Your Tears played. Perfect timing indeed

Man, MILW was cool, they had electrifaction, they had some neat diesels, they felt like the kinda of railroad that wanted to do things different. My Favorite MILW Locomotives are the EP2 "Bi-Polars", EP3 "Quills", EP4 "Little Joes" and the Odd MILW SDL39 (Which I know probably ran at usual freight speeds, but I've seen some places state it could run at 80-90 mph/129-144 kmh) While MILW is long gone, railfans who play transport games can always keep the Milwaukee dream alive. I wonder how a modern hood unit style locomotive in MILW paint under electrification would look?? MAybe just a ES44AC but with pantos on top and Milwaukee Paint?

That was one long boxcab! Such an incredible machine! In fact, they all were: Little Joes, EP-2s... Too bad we, as a country, did the MILW's electrics so wrong...

@rustingparts

Жыл бұрын

It wasnt the country, the milwaukee shot themselves in the foot due to terrible management

@jamesrobertson5935

Жыл бұрын

This note to our railfan community,. My earliest knowledge of railroads in America was that they are a public entity. So what we, all states have a sayas to what rail lines stay active , and which ones go away.

@rustingparts

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesrobertson5935 this makes zero sense. People choose the cheapest best option. The milwaukee squandered opportunities to provide the best value and died

@BringMayFlowers

11 ай бұрын

I want to see a GE 2-C+C-2 with Euro9000 internals, that would be a sight to see.

As someone who lives near a ex milwaukee road tracks I can say this is a certified hood classic

Seriously, America, you used to have beautiful things, but ended up killing them with your own incompetence and greed...

This is basically a Milwaukee Road AMV... and I'm here for 100% of it.

Been a Milwaukee fan for decades, some of this footage I've never seen! Excellent!

I would absolutely love a voice over documentary about your thoughts regarding the Milwaukee road and how it had fallen. It's not a well known story because a lot of the reasons for why it fell was due to corporate mismanagement and would've proven to be a successful railroad if it still stood to this day.

@MrIansmitchell

Жыл бұрын

This

This is what was taken from us, huh.

THIS IS AWESOME! Thanks for this and please do one on the Great Northern electric lines too! You'd be amazed to see how they got through the longest tunnel with electrics and across the rockies. There fleet was amazing too, dwarfing the Joe's, they had the largest single units ever made, W-1s. Absolutely epic stuff.

Back when america used to have electric freight routes everywhere. Now theres only one more left in the wild and now thats struggling

This may be the dopest thing I have ever seen/heard. Way to go playboy!

I didn't know that electrifed railroads reached this far west. Thank you Alan!

Request: Southern Pacific Meleancholy 1980s-1990s: Il vento d’orifto

Hear me out! A fantasy here. Milwaukee Road after the failed merger with Chicago North Western, 1960, instead somehow merged with New York Central! before PennCentral happened! Milwaukee keeps the pacific extension electrified and even bridges the "Gap". Both railroads were about speed at that time and have a dominance over the market because of speed and that ability to move cargo transcontinental on their own route!

This is a V I B E and I am here for it. Awesome playlist and sweet tribute to one of my favorite railroads when I was a kid

Excellent! I never realized that the Little Joes had steam generators.

Orange and Black forever!

Thanks, gonna go cry now

It's fun to imagine if this were still around; Thanks for the bangers DJ Alan

Ngl but seeing Electric with Diesel (same with steam locomotives too) together is kinda awesome.. you really don't see it in North America anymore...

I wish it was easier to find the electric locomotives like the Little Joes as model trains. I'm running N scale and there's nothing unless you butcher a GG1 and get a custom body shell.

@NicLaue

2 жыл бұрын

n scale is just touh in general. Everything is only from certain roads. Try finding B&M stuff in N fml.

The worst part is that the Milwaukee Road would have survived at least until UP's merger spree in the mid-90s if they had just kept the Pacific Extension for 3 more years

@bipbipletucha

2 жыл бұрын

Yep.

@dknowles60

2 жыл бұрын

No johnkenerflick ceo of Up rr thaught about buying the Pacific ext but change his mind he said the Milwaukee road was junk

@Dog.soldier1950

2 жыл бұрын

Outa money

@dknowles60

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dog.soldier1950 no john change his mind. John kenerflick was one of the best CEO in UP rr history

this is great 👏🏼 remembering a quite forgotten giant

Fun fact the MR Board wanted to sell the RR and pulled the electric lines to sell the copper to boost the bottom line. They also scraped the road (cut back maintenance) which slowed trains. Neither worked

@souvikrc4499

2 жыл бұрын

So they got rid one of the nation's largest electrified lines, for the sake of short-term profit. Figures.

@mikeblatzheim2797

Жыл бұрын

Even more fun fact: their operating costs increased significantly as a result and the year after they got rid of the electrification, their losses doubled. This is including the money made from selling off the electrical equipment.

@needsmetal

Жыл бұрын

@@souvikrc4499 They expected 5 million in copper, only got 2 million. Plus all crapped just as the 74 oil crisis started

makin' me cry

F in chat for the Milwaukee Road

@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer

Жыл бұрын

F

@JustAPufferkuesser

Жыл бұрын

F

@souvikrc4499

Жыл бұрын

@@JustAPufferkuesser F

What you did to that Blink 182 song was amazing and it hit perfectly woth the shots that you put it to. Bravo to near perfect video editing! Would love to have that version of the song on my iPod

@alanthefisher

2 жыл бұрын

I'll have individual versions of the songs uploaded soonish on my second channel

@MrIansmitchell

Жыл бұрын

@@alanthefisher are they up?

@professorspark2361

Жыл бұрын

@@alanthefisher Is there a way the mixes could make it onto Spotify also, or is that a copyrights issue?

@owensherman2764

Жыл бұрын

@@professorspark2361 this 100%

The beat to Stay for Awhile sounds like a diesel starting up

Loved Milwaukee’s electrics. What a great variety!

Peak American railroad electrification right here. RIP 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙈𝙞𝙡𝙬𝙖𝙪𝙠𝙚𝙚 𝙍𝙤𝙖𝙙

This is so sad wtf😭

Your channel is amazing, btw.

The Milwaukee Road is my favorite railroad. By by Olympian Hiawatha, the current day Hiawatha doesn't even reach the twin cities.

This is very calming 😌

rest in power Milwaukee road 🕊

Delightfully mix dude

We’re literally struggling to even talk about transportation options we had almost a century ago.

Deep Tom delonge is truly the angel from my nightmare. Bravo sir

why ya gotta make me feel now

Music to electrify a mountainous mainline that goes to nowhere to also Soo Line Ska when

@bipbipletucha

2 жыл бұрын

I second Soo Ska

As a fan of train simulators, I'm not fond of American stuff because of how it's repetitive and mostly unified diesel locomotive designs - boooring when compared to European stuff. Ten years ago I've learned about this company that ran two electrified divisions, 3kV DC, the same voltage as in my country. And there's a route for the good old MSTS depicting the eastern part of Rocky Mountain Division, complete with activities that span the very beginning of electrified operations till their end. God knows how much time I've spent on virtual recreations of the line between Three Forks and Deer Lodge MT, running on the plains and climbing the hills in the middle of nowhere with either heavy coal loads or the legendary Hiawatha. Not only this route represents America's most interesting railroad, but it's also made with astonishing level of detail for a 20-year-old simulator.

@MrToradragon

2 жыл бұрын

3 kV DC is not best system for long distance lines, it requires converter stations every some 14 miles or so and thick overheads wires. The difference in appearance of 3 kV DC compared to 25 kV AC is astonishing. it strikes my eyes every time i get into northern part of Czech Republic that is electrified with 3 kV DC, It is almost like they had used pipes instead of wires for the system. But I guess 3 kV DC is still far better than 1.5 kV DC.

@davidty2006

2 жыл бұрын

Only electric line that i for sure know that was DC electric was the woodhead route in the UK that was one sometime in the 50's i think... Mostly steep hills and ran some of the really early electrics. Rest of the electrified parts of the UK for what i know are AC in the 60's onwards. Only modern electic systems that are DC now are 3rd rail.

@InevitableMe

5 ай бұрын

​@@davidty2006 NSW and Victoria, Australia, both have 1.5 kV DC electrified systems, but they do not run freight on them anymore.

Great mix!

R.I.P.

Ah, such beauty!

So, ignorant New Zealander here, and one that prefers British rail modelling to boot; but, what exactly caused the Milwaukee Road to collapse? I'm vaguely aware that there was some sort of mismanagement at the top level, but not much more than that.

I hope you will do a video like this about tilting trains. There quite a few videos about the 80's pendolino, apt and X2000. There is round trip to Glasgow for the APT, "L' ultimo treno per arrivare prima" about the Pendolino for example

Honestly this is a late post, but the final song “Save Your Tears for Another day” made me cry when looking at the last footage of the Milwaukee Road😭

We could have had it all.

I was the 600th like. Felt good

Why are the first few clips nostalgic but I was only born in 2007

Alan uploaded go brrrrrr

God those pantographs are TALL

@bipbipletucha

2 жыл бұрын

Tall boi

@davidty2006

2 жыл бұрын

can probs fit 2 containers high under them without issue.

Nice.

Is it just me, or does the first song sound like someone's playing ping pong in the recording studio?

Im doing one of these for the Ann Arbor Railroad. Lots of old photos and modern GLC video though. Music to keep you distracted from bankruptcy for 5 minutes. Ann Arbor Railroad vaporwave. Alan has inspired someone.

The hidden 6th track in the mix: "I'll be alright without you" by Journey

once the US has a state of the art electrified railways

@julianhudson7811

5 ай бұрын

Then everything changed when the diesel nation attacked.

Trainwave

dam

Crying over what could have been. We could have been a leader in electrified railways for the Americas. We could have gotten high speed rail. We could even have had a nationalized rail network. Instead we got four (or six if you count Canada) companies and a lot of polluting diesel locomotives.

That's some purty equipment ..

DO A METRA THING AGAIN. REview all of the lines

very upset that "On The Old Milwaukee Road" isn't on here

I wanna hear ur opinions on all of the lines. Like the UP-N

@OK-ws7ti

2 жыл бұрын

Read about algoma central railway and lmk what you think

Milwaukee railroad survived to this day this owned by CP CN with the 3kv DC replaced by 25kv 60hz AC with dual modes made in Salt Lake City Utah Stadler Eurodual 9000s for Seattle Toronto via Oakville freight

If companies like Milwaukee road, Erie Lackawanna, PRR and Baltimore and Ohio were saved in the 60's to 80's with Bailouts just like car companies in 2008 we would have had a high speed network in the US now

This is that railway that had the manic-depressive locomotives, right?

@alanthefisher

2 жыл бұрын

idk, I'm still waiting on a magic manic pixie foamer tho

@interstellarphred

2 жыл бұрын

@@alanthefisher Before the little Joes, they had bipolar locomotives

Take a trip out to the rust belt. We got the last interurban

nyc jazz mix when???

Don’t cry because it’s over, cry because they took this from you

THE MILWAUKEE ROAD

@F40M07

5 ай бұрын

YES

when america is doing the right choice of using electrics and not focusing on cars aka metal boxes of claustrophobia and death.

@laelwhite5331

2 жыл бұрын

re-start now. immediately.

I Miss T H E M I L W U A K E E R O A D

Please do a BC Rail one

And they said that the tech didn't exist...

The American tailroad could atq least modern steam power plants for railroad electrification?...

and they jsut tore up that electrification?!!! do the opposite of what we say!

Don't know much about yankee railways but I have decided this one's my favourite. Conrail's cool but no electrification and it was a shit attempt at nationalisation, damn neolibs!

Canadian blockade runner coming through