So it's not a failed mechanic, its a banned one

Interesting how self-mill became viable in both Yugioh and Magic, mostly for the same reason (although Magic has a few cards that make you win upon decking out instead of losing, which is by far the easiest alternate win condition in all of Magic).

@TheGreatSalsaMan

Жыл бұрын

Too bad yugioh opponent mills cant be as good as the ones in MTG. They have a card that for the cost of 1 black and 1 blue mana you can blast 10 cards away from the top of your opponents deck, which assuming a 60 card deck minus drawing hand is about 20% of their remaining cards on the mtg version of a normal spell card. Yugioh would permanently ban anything half that powerful…

@mushy2626

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGreatSalsaMan that card would only be good in ygo if you could loop it. Otherwise it would be way too slow, just like it is in mtg

@tommysuter4053

Жыл бұрын

Aren't the Ishizu millers still at one though?

@gabrielcurry457

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheGreatSalsaMan that card wouldn't be a staple in Yu-Gi-Oh if all it does is send 10 cards from the top to the graveyard at once per turn.

@TheGreatSalsaMan

Жыл бұрын

@@mushy2626 beg to differ that a 2 cost 10 card mill is by no means slow but you sure seem to be 🤭

I like deck out because of that one duel between Yugi and Strings. It left a really big impact on me. Plus, it's funny.

@billybobjoe1335

Жыл бұрын

Ironically, this is the only time a deck out strategy worked in the anime. In 2 cases, it backfired and in the rest, it failed

@maxmercurythemm827

Жыл бұрын

Barely counts as a strategy on Yugi's part. All the cards in the infinite loop were Strings', and it even relies on ye olde anime cheese, where Brain Control causes Revival Jam to resummon itself to Yugi's field. In short, plotkai BS.

@chromasus9983

Жыл бұрын

Same with Jaden against that accountant/lawyer guy in GX. It was a highly enjoyable duel with an amusing villain character.

@misamisaa4547

Жыл бұрын

Nothing better than turning your opponents' cards on them :3

@TheAzulmagia

9 ай бұрын

Ironic that the one time Mill worked in Yu-Gi-Oh! was when Marik accidentally made a Self-Mill combo.

I miss ghostrick mill. It was a cool twist taking a single card from an entire archetype and making an entirely different win con over it. Even if it wasn't good

The fundamental problem of Mill/Deck Out Strategies is the same problem faced with 'Burn' Strategies and other 'Alt Win' strategies. They can't be too powerful to be able to resolve fully on your turn or else you get FTK stuff, where your opponent doesn't even get a turn, before you win. HOWEVER due to the way the game currently is you are almost never getting to Turn 4, meaning that most of these strategies are useless for games. Power Creep has just gotten out of hand the last few years and sadly it doesn't look like its gonna slow down anytime soon. We need more alternative formats.

@Acre00

Жыл бұрын

Power Creep has been out of hand for the better part of a decade now

@XperimentorEES

Жыл бұрын

Turn 4? Lucky to get to turn 2 from how abusive solitaire decks became.

@luisfilipe2747

Жыл бұрын

​@@XperimentorEES most games are decide on turn 1. I stopped playing like 2 years ago, but I can only imagine how much worst it is today

@XperimentorEES

Жыл бұрын

@@luisfilipe2747 Yeah I stopped playing a few years ago too, but from what I see occasionally it seems like it's only gotten worse. Heard they tried to make some directional funnel spaces (guessing like the pendulums?) to choke back the extra deck spam, but when I looked at some of those cards they about all had effects to promote flooding the field anyway. I know they do erratas and bans, but it's always too little too late.

@Dz73zxxx

Жыл бұрын

​@@luisfilipe2747 at the time tearlaments was tier 0, it was decided in turn 1. No dimension shifter and herald? Youre done

Do one on Fusion. Fusion was technically a failed mechanic at the beginning of the game.

@youtubeuniversity3638

Жыл бұрын

Is it still now?

@justinjones7411

Жыл бұрын

​@@youtubeuniversity3638 no Fusion is one of strongest methods rn but early Fusion was really bad.

@fireblossom9618

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@youtubeuniversity3638 Honestly kind of. There are really good fusion monsters but most aren't brought out in the original idea. 2+ monsters and a spell card. Only ones i can think that have seen recent play are dragoon and muddragon variants (which are *only* used for Super Poly). Most are contact fused, special summoned or cheated out

@justinjones7411

Жыл бұрын

​@@fireblossom9618 your right even Tearalaments don't even use a spell card to fuse. They have there own effect to fuse automatically with other monsters.

@williamdrum9899

Жыл бұрын

Basically it boils down to this: * Old fusions needed specific named monsters, which was simply too difficult even with all the busted draw spells of early yugioh. A one-tribute main deck monster is MUCH easier to summon than any of the early fusions that existed at the time. * Konami tried to solve this with wildcard monsters, King of the Swamp, and Thunder Dragon, which were decent, but still it was less consistent than Summoned Skull beatdown. Most of the time you were just getting a vanilla anyway, making your opponent's removal a HUGE blowout. * Eventually fusions got much better with more generic requirements, usually where only 1 monster was a named card and the rest were any monster of a particular type/attribute, or letting you use fusion material from the deck or graveyard. This made fusions so much better.

I like the brief dive into retro OCG metas. Doesn't get a lot of attention elsewhere, and it's cool to learn about!

Even if decking out an opponent isn't truly the best path to victory, it's still freaking impressive how much the strategy has grown since the beginning. Nowadays, if you wanted to make someone deck out, you probably can do now in record time with the loads of cards specifically designed to burn through their resources. Whenever I run into someone that gets me with that strategy, I have to applaud that effort. You may not be the #1 strategy, but it's fun seeing that empty spot where their deck used to be when you pull it off.

Milling / stall was my fav pre-XYZ. Needle Worm + Morphing Jar were great.

I'm surprised necroface hasn't been mentioned in this video

@XperimentorEES

Жыл бұрын

I was just about to mention it's the only one that still is remotely reliable, the others tend to backfire from all the juggling meta decks do.

@TrophyhunterRMS

Жыл бұрын

@XperimentorEES agree did not to mention combining it with Inferno Tempest is just really fun and if you're lucky to have a gren you have a powerful beat stick after activating Tempest

@leociresi4292

Жыл бұрын

Bakura was the one that owned Morphing Jar

@FranciscoJG

Жыл бұрын

TBH the YGO videos of the channel are pretty limited. Iron Chain interaction with mill/burn (even if extremely weak), Banisher of Radiance and Necrovalley as responses to giving opponents resources on GY, etc. are also absent.

I used to play a deck like this... Waayy back in the day, in the early Yugioh meta. Never knew it was called "milling" though. I just used to call it my "annoying deck", because it was extremely annoying. Even for me to play, lol. It wasn't anything more than a meme deck for me at the time (I almost always played a beatdown deck), but I do remember pulling off some wins with it on some of the better, older players at the league. The look of frustration on their face when an 11 year old decked them was always satisfying.

For MtG players, Lightsworn is the equivalent of Dredge

@kanekikingstorm2113

Жыл бұрын

Been playing stardust accelerator, Lightsworn deck is no joke

@Sillimant_

Жыл бұрын

It's not exactly the same, but a close enough analogue

@Average_CoD_Clips

Жыл бұрын

Dredge don’t have no Boom from a JD though lol

@God-ch8lq

Жыл бұрын

@@Average_CoD_Clips whats a JD

@Shawnvont

Жыл бұрын

Unban the grave-troll

Just like with the flip monsters I wouldn't say they failed. More like aged poorly. In today's meta a lot of cards are better off in the graveyard or banished. Cards that allow cards back into the deck are also a lot more common now. Hell, there's a whole archetype for that kind of play (Madolche).

Love this series. Have you thought about making a parallel series about successful mechanics? You could talk about how new summoning methods succeeded in changing the pace of the metagame, or successful archetypes ect.

Lightsworn was the first deck that I became competitive with as a kid.

3:28, cardcar d is shown on screen, but that card didnt come out until 2012

@Ultimalocked

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Duel Logs shortened “Card Destruction” to “Card D” and whoever edits these videos probably just looked up “Card D” and saw that. I’ve noticed a handful of these small issues lately and it’s a tad disappointing.

I remember i got milled out on turn one by a mayakashi deck on master duel and i was just so happy to see them combo off. Mill has a special place in my heart since it was how i was introduced to mtg and caused my renewed interest in tcgs

Reminder that Jaden/Judai milled a mill player with his neospacian deck

@leojamesquiambao1047

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, thanks to Glow Moss gaining an effect for that episode only

Using my Six Samurai deck to OTK a guy using Maxx C in the early days of Master Duel is still one of my favorites things ever.

One of my funniest Duel Links matches was a against a Destiny Hero Clock Tower player. I banished their one-of boss monster early in the game and all they had left were stall options. And I had a Spellbook/Prophecy engine capable of enough recycling that my deck never thinned out past 11 cards. I was never in a match with a dedicated deck-out strategy, though.

For Mill to be a viable plan A today would take tons of Banish Face-Down, and even then ya might get screwed over... And Kashtira still added zone deny on top of that.

@sworddomo1951

Жыл бұрын

Or runick.

@xCorvus7x

Жыл бұрын

I don't think face-down banishment would be much of an improvement over Runick. That deck might lose pretty hard to ThunDra and Metaphys but it can actually achieve that win condition without being too oppressive (if played pure; not talking about Runick Spright and other variants which pursue a different wincon anyway).

@13thKingMu

Жыл бұрын

@@xCorvus7x banish face down couter thundra and metaphys hard since they don't treat anything when banish face down so it doesn't active their effect It's reason why they never run desires not bc allure of darkness exist,more it's almost impossible to recover banish face down card unless card like necro face

@xCorvus7x

Жыл бұрын

@@13thKingMu I know but those two particular match-ups are not what's keeping Runick as a strategy from meta-relevance. That is entirely up to the deck's weakness, the Fountain.

@olyviermonteau4300

Жыл бұрын

@@xCorvus7x fountain has to be on field for runick to do much: pop that and you should be golden: then again: field barrier exists so.... and floodgates. HOWEVER: muprideo is correct: banishing face down is SUPER better than banishing face up: cause then you don't have to worry about giving your opponent advantage: even if those decks are few and between. zombies exists mind you. so does world legacy. so banishing face-up hardly does anything if you can recover it back or gain advantage. I.E metaphys.

I learned today that OCG means Original Card Game, and not Online Card Game. I had to look it up when you were talking about the OCG in 1999, i thought "wait the online version wasn't out in 1999"

Being someone who has played with and against mill decks, I can mention a couple interesting cards. Delg the Dark Monarch: The drawbacks, being a level 6, requiring cards in the opponents graveyard, and at max mills 2. Upside, easy to special summon, effect can activate on special summon, removes cards from the graveyard, 2400 atk. Leafplace Plaice: Downside, no early game advantage, doesn't mill or banish. Upside, can be a late game beater as back up due to the atk and def increasing as the opponent's graveyard fills, and special summons itself from either the hand or graveyard. Unfortunately, the last one is once per turn and requires having a smaller graveyard than the opponent. Tsuchigumo, the poisonous mayakashi: Downsides, once per turn effect, zombie reliant, low atk for a level 5 synchro. I honestly would've wrote this off, but I did once lose to this card, so it does have potential in a vampire deck. Pilgrim Reaper: Downside, XYZ requiring 2 level 6, variable atk & def, once per turn effect, reliant on dark monsters. Upside, mills 5 cards and can become more powerful if you mill dark monsters. More of a gimmick, but can help late game with certain fiends and zombies. Best if few cards are in the Extra deck.

I'd really like to see "Failed Cards & Mechanics - Legendary Dragons/Knights" because they were the basis of multiple boosters over the years (Dragons of Legend, which is now Battles of Legend) and even a box set (Legendary Dragon Decks, alongside the Dimension Dragons and Cyber Dragons)...but saw zero competitive play because Konami stopped giving them anything remotely resembling useful support.

They called me crazy playing x3 chainsaw insect and x3 destiny hero defender to counter lightsworn

You also forgot the necroface another huge miller

I will say, I enjoyed my run with Tears at full-power in Master Duel - the deck would end up with all sorts of combos and endboard; to this day however, I still run my Shaddoll-Tears deck and it has been a project ever since. Once again, crackin' video Duellogs - can't wait to see another, more niche failed mechanic!

Ah yes, Runick Mine wincon

i would not say this was a failed mechanic, it was more of a mechanics severely hit by power creep/

@God-ch8lq

Жыл бұрын

unless its self mill, then powercreep hit it the other way around

@Pandaxtor

Жыл бұрын

Which is a problem Mill deck had in hearthstone. It struggles against fast decks but melts control decks. Due to the power creep, there is less and less control deck which mean lower win rates for mill deck.

I use to run empty jar with decent success. After it was hit, I pivoted to rock stun, which was a lot of fun too.

I played TONS of stally mill decks on duelingnetwork in 2013. It was super fun but i prob had a 20% winrate

I remember back in 03-05, that the mill deck i was using was absolutely amazing. Granted, that was before Fiber Jar was banned. I would mill cards, then Soul Release them and eventually get rid of all monster cards that hit the graveyard. Then I'd just Fiber Jar and go for straight damage, or D. D. Dynamite for massive damage. Once the ban list got updated to put fiber jar on it, the deck just never worked right again. I still have a variation of that deck, with updated cards, but sadly it just can't compete in today's meta.

Love needle worm. I just wished there was more deck out cards

Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

So basically with the way the game is now, a practical mill deck is too unstable to ever be a staple in itself? Because you’d either be able to win the game without your opponent being able to counter play much (more of an early problem), OR you’d inadvertently pour cards from their deck into places where they’d want them (like exodia pieces into their hand, good GY related cards in the GY, etc…) and thus make it prone to backfiring spectacularly?

@Y0G0FU

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@luisfilipe2747

Жыл бұрын

In Yu-Gi-Oh current state, ANY alt win condition is inviable. Unless you can otk your opponent, or make a 5 negate board in turn 1, you won't have another turn to play, let alone accomplish an alternative win condition

@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire

Жыл бұрын

@@luisfilipe2747 You know, they really need to put in rules that can slow down the game without directly negating anything that currently exists… I’m thinking a “Boon” system that players can opt into before the game (Going second player picks their boon first)… These would be a series of defensive or lifeline favors that aim to curtail various strategies that end games quick… Things like having starting with more LP, a once or twice per duel ability to negate or ignore an effect, reducing damage taken under certain circumstances, returning cards to your deck if milling ever DOES get out of control, etc… etc… There would be ones that are applied at the start of the duel, ones that are automatic once conditions are met, ones you can invoke on command, some that are generalized or specialized… Basically a tool box with odds and ends for any situation, But you can only have so many at once yourself (With a provision to allow you to double up if you and your opponent(s) agree to share there’s with each other.) Odds and ends to reign in current and future power cap without using the forbidden list or nerfing current or future cards, AND since players can opt into one or two of them from match to match, it would force them to dilute their deck and have a plan B, lest their hyper-focused OTK or lockdown strategy was thwarted before the duel even started. What do you think? Any ideas?

@luisfilipe2747

Жыл бұрын

@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire honestly, i think the game would benefit from a sort of rotation system. Completely ban certain archetypes for a while, just do the game can be refreshed and some cards that already exist be able to be competitive again. Konami works on a infinite power creep state, where the only way that a completely busted deck is toped is when another even more busted deck is created. Zoo a couple years ago was a menace, now it can't hold a candle to newer decks, and as long as Konami keep working like that, no matter what mechanic they make, it's not gonna work, because the game is fundamentally broke

@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire

Жыл бұрын

@@luisfilipe2747 I think that kind of approach sets an uncomfortable precedent. ALL cards should be playable and viable at any given moment, regardless of the state they were released in. With the Boon system I suggested, there would be counterplay for all the worst aspects of the powercreep built into the game itself, with rules that can be adjusted or replaced on demand via public announcements. Half the fun of the game is that the oldest cards can be played alongside the newest ones, and your idea would attack that notion. We just need interactive countermeasures that can keep up with the game without dominating it. Here, let’s play a game: I’ll come up with one boon and state it’s intent, and you come up with another: “Boon Of Resilience”: _You start the duel with 2000 more LP, and once per duel, you can halve 1 instance of battle or effect damage inflicted by your opponent._ THERE, that would make damage focused OTK’s MUCH harder between having a bigger body to chop down AND their opponent having a OPD way to blunt any fatal damage.

As a MtG 2013 duels of the planeswalker player I really enjoyed the blue mill deck

I remember when Lightsworns were on the rise in my area I would have a lot of wins from decking my opponent out with Ghostrick Skeleton. I miss those days, simpler times. Ghostrick Stall may not ever be a competitive deck but it will forever be my favorite.

I remember having a morphing jar 2/ vampire Lord deck. The Vampire duo would always call monster so when morphing jar 2 effect would activate it would hit a good chunk of their deck.

I love mill decks. I am however, a massive troll when playing games, so that's probably why.

I do have an almost pure runic deck, but its primary strategy isn't trying to deck out the opponent, it's more or less trying to banish a bunch of cards at and then blow them up with D.D Dynamite. Also a couple of magic cylinder if they try to attack directly backed up with the trap card magic cylinders.

Mill will forever be my favorite way to win the game. when Runick came out, it became my #1 deck for good reason, even though in recent years more cards than ever benefit from banishing. in a game that can run as fast as yugioh, focusing on a mill strategy is painful to do, because of how fast a game can get out of control if you don't stop your opponents methods and you quickly eat an OTK. you can only do so much when the core of what your attacking leaves you open to be taken out the normal way.

Can’t wait for the dream archetype coming out (the girl from the Dream Mirror story), where they cycle face down banished cards

At the risk of making a take of an extreme temperature: (Normal) Tribute Summoning is a Failed Mechanic. Despite it being one of the Central Mechanics there have historically been very few monsters worth Tribute Summoning for. It was rarely worth using up both your one normal summon AND a Monster(s) on field, for a somewhat better monster, which you might not even get out if you walked into one of the plethora of "when your opponent summons something, kill it instead" Traps; even if the summon went through you could still lose all that investment to basically any Monster Destruction effect. Must better to just play another 1-4 Star Monster. It's to the point that "Monarch" (an Archetype that rewards you for Tribute Summoning the cards) is often used for cards outside the Archetype (and lack any effect that requires Normal/Tribute Summoning) that you intend to occasionally Summon via Tribute. Like, imagine if Pokémon had a term for "Non-Basic actually worth Evolving up to"... actually IIRC, at various times there were so many good Basics that they had to release "Evolved" Pokemon that were still Basics (I can't remember which ones it started with, Pokémon-EX? Pokémon-ex? Pokémon ex? (yes those all three are/used to be different things), Pokémon ☆? some other?) because otherwise the only reason anyone would run a Stage 2 would be if it had a game warping Poké-Power/Body/Ability... but that's getting into a different TCG.

The contrast between mill and self-mill with burn and self-burn is really interesting. Take Dinomorphia; while against most decks it doesn't have to worry too much about the fact it burns a lot of its life points thanks to 'the only life point that matters is the last' being mostly true, they tremble at going up against Swordsoul or Branded, because a little bit of burn can legitimately end them. Logically speaking that should be true about mill strategies; Tear should be terrified of Runick, because Tear's self-mill just brings Runick closer to its win condition. But while that's true of Lightsworn more for general power level reasons (when it comes down to it Runick wins that grind game), it just doesn't work as well anywhere else. And I think part of that is both speed--a mill deck is pretty much always a slow plan--but also that any proper self-mill deck usually has a way to recycle, while self-burn never really bothers to invest in life point restoration.

@Ms666slayer

Жыл бұрын

The reason why Tear never had problems with self milling to dead is because the materials retun to the deck when fusing, so you will always replenish your deck, that was even teh case before Keldo and Mudora, also unintentionally Tear can win by milling your oponent i did it like 3 times, 2 were just because of late game stuff and i ended up milling my oponent and the other one was actually a conscious play, i realized that in the first turn my oponent just got like 8 cards on their grave and i hade Exchange of the Spirit in hand, i just milled myself and git like 20 in grave an my oponent had 16 but 1 was an extra deck mosnter, i activated the card and then i had a way to send agido and kelbek from my hand to the grave, so i did and then used Agido effect to send 10 from my oponent and then 5 from Kelbek.

@zeo4481

Жыл бұрын

@@Ms666slayer I mean it was kinda your fault for playing ,, Exchange of the spirit" in the first place 🤣

Some Kashtira decks have also been adding Lightforce Sword(s), to banish immediately on the opponent's turn, thus triggering Shangri-Ira, Diablosis, and handripping the opponent in the process.

technically a self mill strategy, there was an old OTK deck i played on Tag Force 5 that primarily worked by using a lot of draw power spell cards to fill up your grave until you have enough ammo for 3 traps to play. then you'd play in succession (but not chain) Wall of Revealing Light (pay 7000 LP), Life Equalizer (both players reset to 3000 LP), then Blasting the Ruins (have 30+ cards in graveyard, deal 3000 damage to opponent). but it could brick if your draws don't give you cards to keep playing off of, which would be enough to lose with when the opponent has their turn

Honestly, I quit playing Yugioh myself because the game became all about monsters and their effects. What's the point of magic or trap cards if your monsters do almost if not all the effects you need? And then the only thing that happens after, is that they attack. Burn, deck out and other alternative win conditions gave life to the game through versatility. The fact that Mystic mine caused so much trouble as ONE card is proof enough of my point, and the fact it made people salty just shows how closed minded the game became. It reminds me of how I use to be able to find buckets of just Legos... now all I see are structured theme packs of Legos. Creativity is dead.

Can you consider a video about Vennominaga? - how this vennom archetype can be improved.

@Teixas666

Жыл бұрын

the main issue withm ost of that archtype is just that there are very few monsters for it + the archtype doesnt fully make use of Venom Swamp and the counters it generates(especially the lack of interaction you get with monsters with zero ATK). Venoms should be the archtype where you have full control over what happens ot zero attack monsters and have the tools ot force the opponent ot face that problem too.

In YGO all decks play the same strategy at the end... Sneez to get a special summon to cheat out ur Boss Monsters from Main or Extra deck destroy the opponent boars and/or set up negations so Ur opponent doesn't get to play... This is even more homogenized by the fact that most archetypes have GY synergies, which also takes away Mill as a strategy from the game as a result

I have eternal dualist soul on the gba. I have a deck destruction deck that i combine with dark thorn, which deals 500 damage when your opponent discards a card from their hand. So if you had 3 of those with a morphing jar, you'd deal up to 9k damage

I remember back in the day where everybody used the hamachi platform, (I forget the exact name). I used a mill-deck as like my first mill deck. This was during the synchro erra and I remember even Synchros were new to me. I went up against a lightsword deck and found it odd that he also milled his own cards, strangely enough I win very easily and quickly. My friend told me how it was incredibly odd that I won against a lightsword deck using a mill deck. 🤷🏽 who would have thought.

I’ve just built a deck around Gate Guardians Combined. A video on that card and support would be nice.

Ghostrick Skeleton can be really funny in casual spaces

Imo best deck outs are when your opponent & you both play decks, that want as many cards as possible in either the grave or banished & your opponent decks out 'cuz they miscounted the amount of cards you got. I had this happen several times when playing Cardfight Vanguard with a guy who played the same clan as I - I once decked out 'cuz I thought it was like in ygo where you still have your turn once you draw your last card (I was in a place where I could win in that one turn), but you actually lose the moment last card is drawn & it happened at least twice that he decked out because he screwed up the count/he didn't believe me when I told him he had another draw trigger card (if you draw it during battle phase, you get to draw another card) in his deck of 3 cards... And he insisted on attacking with a card that makes you draw 2 when attacking...

The Inferno Tempest OTK is definitely inconsistent, but that's only because there isn't really a practical way to search out Tempest itself. There are enough Kaijus and 0 atk monsters that the rest of it is pretty easy. And if you do draw all the pieces, it is actually pretty likely to work. I'm pretty sure no handtraps stop it, it runs plenty of backrow removal, it has Kaijus to get rid of monsters you have that could stop it, and any players who haven't seen the deck before would probably let the attack go through, even if they could stop it. Of course, the chances of it working twice in a Bo3 format are incredibly low.

Morphing Jar, Cyber Jar, those cards were soooo annoying back in these days. I remember playing Yugioh Power of Chaos and against those cards. Dude it was so frustrating.

I've always loved alt win decks. Was a empty jar player back when I played locals. Made another variant using A/D changer. Started playing Master Duel and wanted to play Runick until I got to Plat 3 and get demolished game after game by them. Now I hate Runick lol. -A salty Traptrix player

I have a Prediction Princess mill deck. This video will not stop me from playing it on locals!

I can’t believe we went this whole video without even mentioning my boi Necroface.

The nostalgia - I forgot about cards like shallow grave...

Nowadays your opponent does enough milling of their own vomiting 20 cards into the graveyard and 8 extra deck cards just to pull off a combo.

I see quite a few Mayakashi-Bone Tower-decks in Master Duel. Another FTK that I see a lot is Mystic Wok combined with XYZ-monsters.

Wouldn’t call burn damage an alternate win con; however the message was clear 👍

The jars were the ones that made a big impact but Needle Worm was also good. Nowadays, milling is a great strat because the graveyard is pretty much someone's second deck.

@archravenineteenseventeen

Жыл бұрын

And remove from play is the 3rd one

And there I am. The reason I played a Removal Deck back in the day.

The ways I can see it being fixed are either by banishing the cards from the deck instead of sending them or making the opponent draw them or to make a single card that can mill the entirety of the opponent’s deck so the GY effects don't matter too much.

I used Maxx c on a zombie deck turn 2 yesterday and they special summoned until I decked out, passed the turn and ggs lol

Great video

Man i ran one way back in the day that used banisher of light and soul release so they had no graveyard

in duel links u can do mill deck with : glow moss, power of the guardians and cards that make your openets draw.

Self-Burn is faulty Mechanic I actually enjoy

Cyber Jar was my favorite card.

I play a mayakashi zombie mill deck rn actually performs pretty well. I can usually ftk someone about 50% of the time. Even without winning via mill I find it really easy to pivot into just a normal mayakashi beat down since they're so hard to remove from the field.

I first knew of Lightsworn because of "Duel Links", and I hated it. I always considered their discarding as a self-cripple. The only archetypes I know to take advantage of milling are the Thunder Dragon and Shiranui.

I played a shiranui/necroface deck out style deck in master duel, its so fun. Even threw in some runick spells in there towards the end

@elyriasrageofficial

Жыл бұрын

Fun ≠ Runick.

@JoeLikesBlue

Жыл бұрын

@@elyriasrageofficial Fun = Subjective

@evancendrowski687

Жыл бұрын

@@elyriasrageofficial its not like im running a whole runick engine lol literally just 4 runick cards to help the deck out

Top 10 Cards Whose Intended Functionality Is Antithetical To Modern Yu-Gi-Oh!. Top 10 "Game-Warping" Cards That Don't Go Far Enough Anymore. Top 10 "Break Slammers", cards that prevent or punish over-extension itself. Chain Energy, Summon Breaker/Limit, similar such. Top 10 cards that are Worth Waiting for. (I. E., Slow Cards Only, with Longer Worthwhile Waits at least earning some points toward higher rankings) Top 10 Cards that require your Opponent to do something to matter. Top 10 Cards That Earn Their Oppressive Restrictions. Top 10 "Rubber Band" Cards, cards that get better the more you're losing/worse the more you're winning. Top 10 "Gift Exchange" Targets.

Miyakashi Mill will always be one of my favorite decks.

im kinda surprised you didnt bring up trickstar reincarnation mill

empty jar was viable during late gx and early 5ds, after morphing jar banned the deck is basically dead

if the next mill card, would not allow milled cards to activate its effect, I think it would work again

I still mill in DL occasionally. It's fun when it works.

Considering exchange of the spirit got banned i don't think mill should count as a failed mechanic

Personally I would like to see a video containing gravity bind, messenger of peace, and level limit area b and the like in it

Before i quit last time, i had a mill deck using chainsaw, defender and the jars and while it wasnt that consistent (i was still missing a 3rd needle worm) it gave me one of my fondest memories, my opponent's six samurai missed my needle worm, i flipped for his last five and ended my turn, then he threw his cards. We had a crowd too. Since starting playing master duel, ive gone back to old deck types cause i hate synchro/xyz/link and ive rebuilt my mill with new stuff like present card, trickster reincarnation and the big one: soul levy. Ive had it10s deck themselves with that card cause they wernt paying attention. I have enough card effects non repeating to mill 45 cards. Still tweeking but mill is not a dead mechanic

Then there’s Yugi’s combo to obtain Slifer the Sky Dragon from Strings.

I was going to say this wasn’t a failed mechanic but then I realized the success is literally just Card Destruction featuring Morphing Jar

Since this one is more based around a strategy, I guess Nurse Burn decks could be a good candidate for a failed mechanic video? Because I mean, decks that just burn normally like Trickstars have been more popular than Nurse Burn decks despite their OTK potential

@shawnli4746

Жыл бұрын

Reliance on one or two cards to cause the burn outweighs the greater potential burn per card

All they need to do is un-errata exchange of the spirit and it's viable again...

I love iron chain snake. I wish it was playable.

Whether it's Yugioh or Vanguard, I tend to really like decks that have self-milling as part of their playstyle. That's why I unironically loved playing both Lightsworn and Tearlaments.

@cheaterxl243

Жыл бұрын

i also love self milling. I rather have someone milling their own deck and plus than plus and milling the opponent for no reason.

@williamdrum9899

4 ай бұрын

You'd love Dredge in MTG

4 me if they do a new architype focus on milling your opponent deck in 1 turn with the combo of effect of the Monster and spell would be a nice antimeta.

I count tear as one since they managed to create a deck so pwerfull that they fail to keep in check tp the point that it have to be killed entirely instead of actually fixing the card

Could you do a top 10 best card that change opponent's card effect? Like for exemple in Fairy tail - Sleeper

In the old days, since most ways of recovering something from the graveyard were heavily limited, mill seemed to be viable. The only way I could see mill working nowadays thanks to the crap ton of graveyard effects, is with the banish facedown option, or a lingering effect where cards that were milled can't activate effects the turn they were milled.

Lol i just made someone deck out on Master Duel using Tearlaments/ Ishizu deck. It was funny because he had a stall deck and a earth barrier statue/moon shield. So i summoned bagooska in defense and just milled him out lol it was satisfying literally turning his strategy against him.

Terrible for tourney play. Casually playing though, this deck is super fun.

I made a mill Deck where you just wait till the opponent decks out. 59 stall cards and 1 final countdown. It kind of worked. Sided golden ladybug.

@sworddomo1951

Жыл бұрын

I guess you could call it stall instead of mill, but stall is a ruleshark tactic. Stalemate maybe. Electromagnetic turtle Metaion One day of peace Lava golem Winged kuriboh Kuriphantom Iron scarecrow battle fader Etc

Milling your opponents deck became a bad idea for the same reasons that That Grass Looks Greener became a good card.

3:12 did logs voice crack when he say Japan?

Mr Logs, could we possibly recieve a top 10 rarest cards by pull rates/appearances in product (with or without rarities) ?