I was interviewed for this and find it quite misleading in making the overseas presence of the US and China look comparable when they are profoundly quantitatively and qualitatively different. To compare the two is like comparing apples and oranges or, more accurately, watermelons and grapes. There is a profound difference in military capabilities between a network of around 750 US military bases abroad and Chinese port access overseas. The former also costs the US around $80 billion a year, while the Chinese government surely makes money from its port infrastructure overseas. The video fails to note scores of additional locations where the US military has its own port access agreements, not to mention airfield landing rights and resupply materials (neither are part of my bases count). The video also uncritically presents longstanding Pentagon fearmongering about China's search for a second--to now, nonexistent--base in Africa without noting extensive ongoing US base construction near China's borders in East Asia and, more recently, in Europe. The video concludes with the Pentagon's professed concerns about the "lack of transparency" in China's negotiations with port host nations. This is ironic given that US base agreements (and negotiations) with host nations are almost universally kept secret when these de facto treaties should be publicly available.

@davidstiefel

Жыл бұрын

The full WSJ title alone is highly misleading and should be changed. The title inaccurately presents Chinese ports as military bases or outposts. Without additional evidence showing otherwise, commercial ports are not military outposts even if they can host military vessels. A more accurate title would read: "U.S. vs. China: Military Bases and Commercial Ports Reveal Strategies to Extend Global Reach: Experts say the U.S. and China have different objectives in setting up overseas outposts."

@regulareverydaynormalguy8789

Жыл бұрын

i wish i had better writing skills

@zukacs

Жыл бұрын

thanks david!

@TheMap1997

Жыл бұрын

@@davidstiefel thanks David for your integrity 👍

@boyuanguan3363

Жыл бұрын

Thank you David, the watermelons vs grapes comparison by itself is clearer than this entire video.

I’m surprised the WSJ didn’t list all Chinese restaurants as military bases as well.

@rabbitazteca23

Жыл бұрын

loool

@yzx8828

Жыл бұрын

they will if war starts

@archosfanguy

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@Fair-minded.

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@livelirah9109

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i was surprised too 😀😀

Soon they will declare all Chinese restaurants as Intelligence hub.

@dwchen1

Жыл бұрын

When US dare to declare Chinese restaurants as intelligence hub China will retaliate by banning all McDonald's, KFC, A&W, Starbucks, Subway, Wendy's, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Domino's, Dunkin Donuts, Taco Bell, etc... Do you know how many tens of thousands of them in China alone...? When that happens that will be tens of billions of dollars in revenues lost annually and all their shareholders will be on all out war using their lobbyists 'invading' Capitol Hill.

@astaniorc2298

6 ай бұрын

😂😂

Are they comparing an Chinese-owned port to an USA-owned military base? Yep. I seen it right

@billywoon6084

Жыл бұрын

It's a little exaggeration. China is outwardly strong and inwardly weak

@kona_brew

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and a rock in the middle of SCS all of sudden became a military base for china… since china is never transparent, you never thought their footprint can become something much more very rapidly???

@MrKnowledgeCenter

Жыл бұрын

Chinese companies are owned by the chinese government. Anything chinese companies do is what the Chinese government is doing

@mauroducusin7106

Жыл бұрын

What about Chinese militarized artificial island in SCS

@kamsunleong6648

Жыл бұрын

@@mauroducusin7106 imagine comparing US naval bases in Diego Garcia. Okinawa or Guam with these tiny speck of islands in SCS.

US: +750 military bases abroad. China: 3 military bases abroad. Different strategies...yes...yeah

@Biden-shit_himself

Жыл бұрын

What you're saying is not true there's far more than three

@leonzspotg

Жыл бұрын

@@Biden-shit_himself list them all please

@rh5340

Жыл бұрын

@@Biden-shit_himself look at what western propaganda has done to you! China bad, China bad! Blame China!

@daisangen2559

Жыл бұрын

@@Biden-shit_himself 0:27 is the list of *COMMERCIAL PORT* not military

@TomNook.

Жыл бұрын

@@Biden-shit_himself 750?

Port terminals and military bases are totally different things.

@yeetian2774

Жыл бұрын

After March 2018, it is the same thing for the western propaganda.

@ds-js6545

Жыл бұрын

U don’t know that

@Huppy1234567

Жыл бұрын

@@ds-js6545 they arent the same. you think the US would let china station military vessels in these commercial ports on their west coast? furthermore, governments can just seize them back. you already seen russia do this with the sakhalin 1 oil rig.

@invijr

Жыл бұрын

@@Huppy1234567 yeah, host country would still have sovereignty over the port , and gov agencies would still be there anyway, like port police, and customs agency, coast guard, post authority etc. Its not like they can shut the door and stockpile weapons and troops secretly. People have never been to a commercial port before have they.....

@Huppy1234567

Жыл бұрын

@@invijr Well said, and yeah people not considering large part of chinas navy is designed for a Taiwan invasion so most of their craft can’t operate far from shores with few exceptions of course.

Here's the truth. 🇨🇳 foreign military bases and facilities: 1 🇺🇲 Foreigner military bases and facilities : 800+

@phenotypeb6843

Жыл бұрын

But China is apparently the expansionist one

America: We have more then 500 bases in other countries. China: We have one base in another country America: The world is doomed china is going for world domination!

Can’t compare military bases and shares in a container port terminal 😂

@WrongVlad

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m like the Chinese using commercial ports to ship commercial goods does not qualify as military expeditionary positions…

@julioduan7130

Жыл бұрын

This is the quality of western media these days. They just want people around the world to fear about China’s development.

@backemf89

Жыл бұрын

At this moment American Military Industrial complex mouthpieces like WSJ need only lame excuses to push WhiteHouse to increase Military Budget further, like $1 trillion.

@user-cc5zj8pn4e

Жыл бұрын

😂

@itselevenfiftyfive3833

Жыл бұрын

American propaganda

0:27 You are unashamedly comparing US MILITARY bases with Chinese COMMERCIAL ports. Unbiased press indeed.

@abdulmohamed2577

Жыл бұрын

What's the difference

@CoolPage994

Жыл бұрын

Chinese shouldn’t be allowed to own anything. Be lucky that that entire land hasn’t been turned to glass already

@kevingu7255

Жыл бұрын

@@abdulmohamed2577 difference is many of the red dots shown in the chart is inside US, last time I check US hasn’t become a Chinese colony yet.

@abdulmohamed2577

Жыл бұрын

@@kevingu7255 nah they saying those a commercial ports they didn't say those are colonies.....

@markosmataasii2000

Жыл бұрын

@@abdulmohamed2577 the difference? seriously are you that dumb or that brainwashed? commercial ports are basically designed to dock commercial ships and oftentimes flooded with containers. Have you been in a commercial port especially a huge container terminal? You can't just dock huge many military ships and expect it can be converted it to a military assets not within hours and not in months..lol.

Umm you know you're wrong when you show China having military base in US when America won't allow it.

@TimaWeynne

Жыл бұрын

the us at this point is a fading power and they know it the future of the world is in the far east middle east and Africa and don't even mention Europe because they won't make the it

@sarahjenkins7064

Жыл бұрын

Just more western propaganda.

@archangel9975

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't prevent mostly dumb American to believe it and pay more tax$$$ to Department of Homeland Security

Why are we comparing military bases to ports??

@backemf89

Жыл бұрын

At this moment American Military Industrial complex mouthpieces like WSJ need only lame excuses to push WhiteHouse to increase Military Budget further, like $1 trillion.

@sarahjenkins7064

Жыл бұрын

How else would we create this fear of China and then increase the military budget another 10% this year?

@Grenadier311

Жыл бұрын

@@sarahjenkins7064 The forceful "unification" of China is a very real proposition, and a 10% increase would be the minimum needed to keep apace with China's breakneck military expansion.

@sarahjenkins7064

Жыл бұрын

@@Grenadier311 what would 10% or 1000% do when we are dealing with a nuclear power? Are you willing to get nuked in defense of Taiwan that isn't even recognized as a country? In other words, are you willing to die to defend a piece of land that is recognized as part of China from China?

@Grenadier311

Жыл бұрын

@@sarahjenkins7064 As long as Beijing knows it will be nuked back, we probably won't need to find out. We're treaty bound to come to Taiwan's aid, and would lose all credibility as a security guaranteur and superpower if we stood down while China made a land grab of a treaty ally. As long as our subs swim undetected, no adversary can nuke us with impunity.

Realistically, China does not have the ability to project power globally. At best, you’d be looking at another generation or twenty years of global infrastructure and ship development for them to get there. Just having a network of friendly ports is not sufficient to maintain and operate a modern navy effectively.

@jeylonblake3407

Жыл бұрын

China has a fully capable navy , our own intelligence has made that quite clear . They’re building 4 more aircraft carriers to add to the 3 they already have

@huas5350

Жыл бұрын

China has no military bases: "China does not have the ability to project power globally" China has some military bases: "China's threat to the free world" Conclusion: In short, the Chinese are bad guys. 😅

@mikehawk4856

Жыл бұрын

Keep telling yourself that as china slowly takes over the world

@TheArchevil

Жыл бұрын

China has been governing the majority of Asia for thousands of years. Pretty sure they can manage adopting more territories in the next 5 millenia. And China has a growing economy, while the US is collapsing. There is no comparing the two.

@kelvin4833

Жыл бұрын

@@TheArchevil clearly you haven’t seen the Chinese economy in the last 2 years it’s in shambles

The port of sand Diego LA and Long Beach along with Seattle are not in anyway owned by chinese companies. That use to be the case but not anymore. That first map is extremely misleading 😅

Chinese ports are not military bases, it only use for repair and resupply, meanwhile military base are capable to launch military operation in the region, more than "rearm, repair, and resupply" only.

Compare military bases with shared commercial ports makes me laugh.

@NightwatchN8

Жыл бұрын

The fakenews is hilarious ain't it

WSJ, you missed counting thousands of Chinese military bases in big cities around the world. They are typically called Chinatown 😅

@user-vp4go9ul2d

Жыл бұрын

hhhhhhhh

@clarkzhg

Жыл бұрын

you made my day lol

@canpek545

Жыл бұрын

And tens of millions CCP spies around the world. They are typically called Chinese😅.

@rabbitazteca23

Жыл бұрын

@@canpek545 and people like you are typically called racists

@tomgreene7942

Жыл бұрын

Plus all of the commando aged students in cities across the US, China and the Globe from both countries and even other countries. It all comes down to intent. That used to be the concern of mine until I saw the Will Smith movie - i robot. Then I realized that even a small country could in the future dominate, as the city of Rome once did.

I thought this video would compare and contrast how a US base is structured vs how a Chinese base is structured

I am having fun watching America's propaganda news. Good job Wall Street Journal.

I laughed when saw that the pentagon said they have about 500 bases when in reality it is about 800.

This presentation paints a lot of perspectives about Uncle Sam. And then there's China...well. Pretty interesting.

@59gris

Жыл бұрын

?

@user-cc5zj8pn4e

Жыл бұрын

?

Djibouti loves hosts a lot of outside countries military bases. They rake in a fair amount of government funding from that.

@kalui96

Жыл бұрын

most of that funding trickles up to a handful of people (fk the country tho)

This is so misleading. China's ports allow goods and services throughout the world as they are mostly the factory of the world. They invested in infrastructure for trade and economic progress. They provide economic benefits for both sides and just because they house some military vessels does not make it a comparison to the 750 military bases around the world that US funds and have secret agreements with the countries that host these military bases for US. China on the other hand is building infrastructure, providing goods & services, and unbeatable economic finance.

@NightwatchN8

Жыл бұрын

Fakenews at its finest!

@Lena-vw6ye

Жыл бұрын

@@NightwatchN8 Keep drinking US propaganda.

@NightwatchN8

Жыл бұрын

@@Lena-vw6ye No thanks I don't drink 😎

@Lena-vw6ye

Жыл бұрын

@@NightwatchN8 Just self propaganda by liking your own comment right? lololol

Love the Animation

0:21 No base in Afghanistan anymore 🌚

Nice

Chinese bases in US Coast. That's definitely news to me. Well done WSJ.

Lots of people don't seem to understand that global trade needs naval protection, or ships would be raided constantly. Only the usn could have done this. And a navy needs bases.

US does something for decades: ... China does the same US: *Surprised Pikachu face*

@shengliang2105

Жыл бұрын

It's called hypocrisy. lol

@accountforcommenting

Жыл бұрын

China is dictatorship who wants to use the world and ready destroy it for it's own purpose

@accountforcommenting

Жыл бұрын

@@shengliang2105 because you don't know the difference between them

@alexanderharo4550

Жыл бұрын

@@shengliang2105 🇺🇸 does it better ling ling

@shengliang2105

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderharo4550 Everything takes time. Don't worry, we coming for ya whitey.

This report completely forget to mention the Chinese military bases on Firely Cross Reef, Subi Reef, and Mischief Reef.

different bases with different strategies for different news channels. wsj can choose any base

Perhaps a more comprehensive comparison is warranted, including capabilities to wage war using economic and trade reach, manufacturing and supply chains (especially for critical commodities, goods and services), Cyber, Espionage network.

750 cries of 3. China oversea base is to protect their trading route, not to show power like the US.

No USA bases in Ireland. Shannon airport is used for a stop over for unarmed American soldiers but does not have a military presence apart from the Irish defence forces.

@timcallinan

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering the same myself

Actually, the US also has a "military base" in Beijing(inside the ambassy), which makes the US the only country has this privilege in China.

@ShivMaple

Жыл бұрын

Not true.

does this video place dots of chinese military interests in the USA?

GOOD INFO no boring

You are comparing commercial ports with literal hundreds of military bases, how in the world is that comparable?

6:17 Is that an LCVP?

Calling China one of the two superpowers, I think, is overstated although part of me enjoyed it.

@ringsuka3505

Жыл бұрын

western media in weekdays：China is new superpower！ meanwhile weekends：China is Collapsing！

@rabbitazteca23

Жыл бұрын

@@attsealevel WSJ is not Chinese sponsored. In fact, it seems many of their reporting are anti-China

@tomgreene7942

Жыл бұрын

Well, you can enjoy it, especially since even though the US pays about 4-5 times more money for its military, in terms of manhour costs, China pays 60 times more for its military. Huge difference in buying power. It's just a matter of time till China completely dominates the landscape.

@meleney5406

Жыл бұрын

@@tomgreene7942 Oh no, China is just a developing country, their people are still poor, their army has not fought in any war for over 40 years, China is a harmless rabbit.

@dddddh1

Жыл бұрын

Is China weaker than Soviet Union? Is America better than China?

When do organizations start questioning the need for so many bases?

This video is amusing for sure.

Is Issac okay? my dude looks like his about to get heat exhaustion from making sure China looks the worst.

@drakehonest2

Жыл бұрын

Hello how are you doing?

You shouldn’t compare the US to China militarily. Anybody that has lived in China knows that it is not a warmongering country unlike the USA 🇺🇸

That’s the first time I’ve seen the Pangaea US base in Australia on a map

the thing which people are not getting is that china has been deploying military vessels and and aircrafts consistently in its commercial ports. For example in 2022, during the sri lankan crisis, china posted aircraft carriers and space tracking spy radar ships to prevent and/or collect data on indian nuclear icbm missile test in its state owned sri lankan port of hambantota. It has almost permanantly stationed destroyers in qatar and gwadar(baluchistan) to successfully restrict any kind of indian naval exersises and free merchant ship movements in the arabian sea

At last time came for us media to regulate a report on us vs china

I tell my girlfriend I want to be in *Djibouti* to protect her security and economic interests too, doesn't work out so well..

@sayedmahbub8933

Жыл бұрын

Hahahah

Dear WSJ you're missing listing Chinatown around the world's as Military Base too.

China has one overseas base, and the US has 700+ overseas bases. And the US still feel threatened, shouldn't the Chinese feel more threatened?

0:55 OH REALLY? WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED?

Did you just ask that guy what a military base is?

7:10 There is a big distinctive difference between commercial ports and military bases. The map is very misleading.

Uh, why worry about commercial port?

@TomNook.

Жыл бұрын

because a comparative map of military bases would show that China aren't a threat at all. Which doesn't suit the US narrative

@guardianoffire8814

Жыл бұрын

@@TomNook. Its because Chinese companies are required to do what the govt wants without any challenge in court and every Chinese corporation now has to reserve seat on the board for CCP official representatives. As such they are seen as extension of Chines govt no different than state owned enterprise. Chinese companies played a major part in siphoning off PPE equipment out of other countries shipping them to China during the beginning of the pandemic; causing PPE shortage. Then govts then paying China 3 times the rate for shoddily made PPE equipment. But it is true that US is just as dangerous to other countries than China but the media rarely makes them into the villain. Like avoiding admitting the chaos across Africa is all the weapons that West sold to Qaddafi ending up on the black market after the chaos NATO created in Libya.

We have one sheriff. We don't need another one

sounds like the us needs to spend more on its military, not enough bases

Bruh the comparison is silly 😂

Shameless media.

Why is there a dot of Chinese base in Taiwan?

how do you argue one overseas base is a threat to hundreds of oversea bases? watch this video

Johnny Harris made an amazing video on US military bases

I don't want any of two powers set up military base in my country..

Cold tip:USA also has military base in DJIBOUTI

@tbphillips9649

Жыл бұрын

Yea it was said in the video

Shout out to the BX!!!

The claim of commercial ports can serve as bases are incorrect. Commercial port access needs hosting country’s permission while leased base doesn’t. See the difference?

all our allies have more port terminals than China and military out post and port terminals are not same

So what you're saying is Oscar from The Office and the town of South Park were infinitely wrong as were other Americans defending China when Michael Scott and Eric Cartman took a stand against them?

I wonder how long US bases can continue in its present form as the $ loses its value.

@netizencapet

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for mentioning that ALL IMPORTANT DILEMMA!

Stretch, big stretch.

US have more than 800 bases over seas according to pentagon. Maybe more classified bases

We have a global overseas presence with multiple ally countries? How is this the same strategy if chinese bases remain in CHINA.

A protection orda repeats itself.i'd have rites to suspenshon off securities,! No I'd have rites to take an leave ,in that case all properties off the rite off the rite it is correct to take down

WSJ we truly respect your dedication to high quality journalism but it’s moments like this that has your audience THAT EXPECTS COGENT/SOUND ANALYSIS of major topics end up feeling disappointed, please, you guys are one of the last bastions of balanced news & journalism that has integrity & prestige DON’T NORMALIZE THIS SORT OF LAZY JOURNALISM

Comparing military ports with commercial ports? Genius

military bases vs ports for trade...cmon, ist it obvious whos the big bully?

US bases vs China towns

love china 🇧🇩❤🇨🇳

one would think that China has bases in the us good journalism WSJ ;-)

biased media

Figured what Shango is in an involved few people are involved there people's lives are

I’m going back in a minute I

If you compare the number of Chinese Restaurants in US vs US military bases outside of US. Then you get a close contest.

son of cold mind ,somebody so shabi

Stop beating war drum . World Peace! The Chinese Jdibudi base was built under UN mandate.

@MrSupernova111

Жыл бұрын

Go watch cartoons if you don't want the news.

China has not been in Sweden btw

Nothing about the South China Sea dredged bases?

@rationalthinker2200

Жыл бұрын

Oops..The World Court verdict has ruled and ratified by UN General Assembly that Diego Garcia should be returned ...to its rightfull owner Mauritius... Obviously this is not correct under The self determined International Rule Based Order ...

Funny enough, not even the U.S. government know how many bases they actually have.

But China brings its own civilian work force with it overseas.

This video was flawed from the beginning: Comparing military bases to civilian ports almost nullifies this video. The ports have to be deep water ports to allow full naval assets to access the area. Chinas navy barely has the ability to navigate the world without facing issues, compare this to the US which has at a minimum 5 carrier strike group always navigating the world.

Why not comment on the "Chinese" ports in the US and tell the whole story?

Send in the bombers. Rule number one.

$63M to rent... that feeds a lot of people. Murika F yeah.

"Only we're allowed to station forces in foreign lands and expand our geopolitical presence."

The Chinese could never top our Camp Lejeune

The fact that US let the red dots happen on our land is just sad.

@muovi2463

Жыл бұрын

Yea, because they are there for TRADE, NOT MILITARY. This is straight up propaganda to make you scared of China.

Wait till yall find out that most of the Host Nations don't want Americans to leave.

overseas military bases too costly. The cost for the overseas bases is better for developing weapons capable hit directly Washington DC. Because today's large countries wars can hit each other once only.

Murica all the way

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All while china’s economy is having issues. Seems they should focus on that