MILGRAM / Mu - After Pain [The First Trial Music Video]

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“If I was gone, If I had just disappeared.”
Vocal: Mu (CV: Arisa Kori)
“After Pain” DL & Subscription
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Lyrics: DECO*27
Music: DECO*27
Arrangement: Rockwell
Movie by OTOIRO
Director: DMYM
Character Designer: Sunao Chikaoka(SUNAMARU)
Key Animator: Sunao Chikaoka(SUNAMARU)
Animator / Finishing: staron
Color Design: akka
Composite: Yuma Saito,akka
Typography / Prop designer: DMYM,lowpolydog
Project Manager: Iori Majima
Art Director: DMYM
Original Character Designer: akka
Story / Author: Takuya Yamanaka
"After Pain" Instrumental
www.dropbox.com/s/9qvai12tqyf...
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Lyrics:
If I was gone, If I had just disappeared
I overheard, I found out
How much I’m not needed
There’s no special meaning, I got the short end of the stick
I overheard, I found out
How much I’m not needed
Why won’t you stop hurting me?
My heart is all dried up
My sorry spells must be wearing off
But I guess some of it is my fault
Maybe it’s ok as it is
I want to feel “alive”, is it ok if I breathe?
Tell me
“I’m sorry” won’t reach anyone
I hope it will someday
I don’t want tomorrow to come, I want to forget yesterday
I was miserable, someone please help me
If you’re going to make me the villain
It’s ok to ignore me
If it’s endurance, I’m used to it. It’s just having another taste of it
But I see it in my dreams even though I erased it
Maybe I’m done
Just one more time before saying goodbye
I’m just kidding, please forget I said that
Let’s meet up inside the pain, a place just for me
postmortem makeup to hide my heart, how to solve it is a secret
The stabbing of the little devil’s voice, counterattack being a suicide note
“I love YOU”
Why won’t you stop hurting me?
My heart is all dried up
My sorry spells must be wearing off
But I guess some of it is my fault
Maybe it’s ok as it is
I want to feel “alive”, is it ok if I breathe?
Tell me
“I’m sorry” won’t reach anyone
I hope it will someday
”I'm sorry” can’t be heard by anyone
I hope it will be someday
If I was gone, If I had just disappeared
I overheard, I found out
How much I’m not needed
©MILGRAM

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  • @user-od7jx2pf9t
    @user-od7jx2pf9t3 жыл бұрын

    友達と夜な夜な話し合った末の考察 以下長文 ムウは過去にLINEのグループ名「たまりば」の4人で外ハネちゃんをいじめてた。 曲の最後に映る黒板の内容が曲の冒頭と違うのは、暴言の相手が違うから。 (曲の最後の黒板に貧乏くさい?みたいなワードがあるがムウはお金持ちである、左側に外ハネちゃんの似顔絵みたいなのがあるなど、ムウには当てはまらない暴言ばかり) また、曲の最後のムウは教卓の前に立って楽しげな表情をしており、恐らく菊の花であろうものを持っている。花瓶の花が置かれている席はムウではなく外ハネちゃんの席。 「たまりば」のトーク画面が映った場面、「リップありがとう!」に対してムウの「余り物だけど良かった?」という無神経というか、ちょっと鼻につく返信、こういうのが他の3人の中では積もりに積もってたのだと思う。それである日いじめのターゲットがムウに。 壮絶ないじめの中、トイレで倒れているところに外ハネちゃんが通りがかるが、外ハネちゃんはムウを無視。それに対してムウは激昂→追いかけて刺傷って流れかなと思った。 なぜ外ハネちゃんだけ顔が鮮明に描かれてるのか、外ハネちゃんに無視された時に激昂してるのかについては、憶測でしかないですが、曲の中盤でムウが突っ伏してる机が外ハネちゃんの机(曲の最後で花が置かれてる所)の隣に見えたので、いつもいるグループとは関係なく特別仲良しだったのかなと。 きっと外ハネちゃんをいじめてる時は「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ?」と責め続けてたのでしょうね、そして歌詞の中に「ごめんの魔法」とあるように、ムウはずっとごめんと言えばなんでも赦されてきたのだと思います。だから外ハネちゃんを追いかけて謝ったけど手を振り払われて逆ギレした結果の殺人だった。 私は最近ミルグラムにハマりましたが、ムウは絶対赦されてはいけない人間だったと思います。

  • @user-py4kf6yj5i

    @user-py4kf6yj5i

    3 жыл бұрын

    ムウの考察で見てきたので1番スッキリ入ってきました…! まだ第1審査で、これだけでは分からない所がたくさんあるから判決をくだせるこちら側の憶測だけで判断して許さなかった場合、もしムウちゃんが可哀想な立場だった時後悔することになるのですごくつらいですよね…;;

  • @user-qc4gd3wh5w

    @user-qc4gd3wh5w

    3 жыл бұрын

    同感

  • @user-vq1vs3qk1g

    @user-vq1vs3qk1g

    3 жыл бұрын

    めちゃくちゃ同感です。 この考察が一番納得できた自分がいます

  • @user-zk3ty3li5w

    @user-zk3ty3li5w

    2 жыл бұрын

    自分もこれだと思っています。 個人的には、外ハネちゃんは別にムウのことは最初からそこまで好きじゃなかったかもな…ムウが一方的に仲良しだと思ってたのかな…とも。 歌詞の端々にも、なんか悲劇のヒロイン的に酔っているというか、「追い詰められて自分が悪いと思っている子を表すなら、もっと違う表現の歌詞にしそう、『いじめてくるあなたも悪いけど、いじめられてる私にも悪いとこあったかも。こんな風に言う私はえらいし、幼稚なあなたたちより大人でしょ』と思っていそう」といった違和感がありました。 LINEグループのやりとりまでは見ていなかったので、コメ主さんのコメントのおかげで、やっぱり元から鼻につく感じのことを言っちゃう子(自分が悪いという意識が無い)だったんじゃないかな…と考えが補強されました。 それと、このくらい自分を正当化できるような子なら、いじめる相手を好いてもいるという矛盾した行為がすんなりできそうな…。 投票が接戦だったと聞いているので、今後が楽しみです。

  • @user-zc2lk3gp6s

    @user-zc2lk3gp6s

    2 жыл бұрын

    グループは四人なのに既読4の部分は怪しいぞ🤔

  • @7MKMT
    @7MKMT3 жыл бұрын

    埋もれてしまったコメントで、 「“被害者”と“加害者” いじめで立場が簡単に入れ替わる様は『砂時計』のようであり、最後に砂時計が割れて二度とひっくり返らなくなる→ムウの立場は二度と変わらなくなる比喩」 っていう解釈がかなりグッと来ました。 説明が難しいですが…

  • @user-tc3sd5nb8g

    @user-tc3sd5nb8g

    2 жыл бұрын

    最後外ハネちゃんが割れた砂時計の近くに倒れているから外ハネちゃんが昔被害者側だったってことでしょうかね、、、?あの倒れ方は上から落ちてきた場合の体勢だと思うんですけど、、、

  • @user-tf8pq8wz5w
    @user-tf8pq8wz5w2 жыл бұрын

    砂時計が反転してムウに砂がかかってる ↓ ムウが過去にしてきたことがムウ自身に降りかかってるってことの暗喩かなぁ

  • @user-mocchiri22

    @user-mocchiri22

    Жыл бұрын

    うっわ

  • @user-ct5wq3ro8x

    @user-ct5wq3ro8x

    Жыл бұрын

    あなたが天才

  • @user-fh5pd7iq1l
    @user-fh5pd7iq1l Жыл бұрын

    二審見て戻ってきました 0:29 このムウちゃんに注がれる緑色の液体、自分で作った"蜜"だったんだよね…… 自分を可哀想に魅せる餌に 誘われたのはきっと私達なわけで……上手いなぁ

  • @user-lv4sp2rs6h

    @user-lv4sp2rs6h

    Жыл бұрын

    その考えすっごく好きです…!! ムウちゃんには涙が青い時があって、それは嘘泣きなのかなあ、と思っています。 だから、全て自作自演で許してもらおうとしてた、と考察しています。

  • @user-fc3dh2fb1n

    @user-fc3dh2fb1n

    Жыл бұрын

    初めの方の黒板にも「ムウ悪くないもん」ってあるからこの第一審の時点からすでにムウちゃんが反省してない感あって良きですよね

  • @muntingnoah

    @muntingnoah

    Жыл бұрын

    あああああああああああああ…いや☹️

  • @TINA-rs3nf

    @TINA-rs3nf

    4 ай бұрын

    二審のMV中に出てくる砂時計、緑の液体じゃなくて赤い砂なんだよね

  • @tomatoma707
    @tomatoma7073 жыл бұрын

    ・「ごめんなさい」が聞こえないよ? この歌詞で全てが覆った。 ・私も悪いところはあるからさ これがきっとムウの持つ異常性。あくまで悪いのは相手で、殺されるのは当然のことと思っている。赦すかどうかの投票の際にはこの部分にも是非目を向けて欲しい。

  • @-kurumi-4336
    @-kurumi-43363 жыл бұрын

    コメント欄で気づいたんだけど 「(私の)ごめんなさいが届かないよ」 だと思ってたら 「(あなたの)ごめんなさいが届かないよ」 だって知ってゾクッとした(語彙力)

  • @user-vl7xe5wg6j

    @user-vl7xe5wg6j

    Жыл бұрын

    個人的には歌詞のとこに「ごめんなさいが届かないよ」と「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ?」で、?がついてるので私のごめんなさいも届かないけど〝あなたのごめんなさいも聞こえないよ?〟って思いました どっちにしろ鳥肌(((

  • @user-bj8dn1xq2f

    @user-bj8dn1xq2f

    Жыл бұрын

    そういう解釈もあるんですね!「届かないよ」と「聞こえないよ?」があったので、……………?ってなってました。 自分が言っている「ごめんなさい」がそのまま届いていなくて、最後には自分が言っている「ごめんなさい」までもストレスで聞こえなくなったりしたのかと無理やり自分を納得させようとしてたので、このコメ見つけられて良かったです〜✨

  • @user-no8jo9iv6u
    @user-no8jo9iv6u3 жыл бұрын

    最後の「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ?」っていう歌詞の後ろでムウが「ごめんなさい」って言ってて、回数を重ねる毎にムウの声がトーンダウンしてるのって、「ごめんなさい」ってムウが何回言っても相手が「ごめんなさい」って言わないからそれにムウがだんだん不機嫌になってるってことなのかなって 私がこんなに謝ってるんだからそっちも謝るべき、なんで私がこんなに謝ってあげてるのにそっちは謝らないの?的な感じで

  • @user-pj4bm5hb1e

    @user-pj4bm5hb1e

    3 жыл бұрын

    もしくは本当は加害者側で「ほら、ごめんなさいって言えよ」的な感じで迫ったけど被害者が言わなくて苛つき始めてる説

  • @suika6

    @suika6

    2 жыл бұрын

    @梨の子 ムウいじめ加害者説あるから,ありえるかもね!

  • @user-yc3ej6zq5y

    @user-yc3ej6zq5y

    2 жыл бұрын

    ごめんなさいって何回も言ってるのにいじめを辞めてくれないから、言う気失せてるか、不機嫌になっていってるのかと思った。 ムウって何しても謝れば許されると思ってそうだし。だからごめんの魔法なのかなぁって。

  • @user-hp4pw4jb8p
    @user-hp4pw4jb8p Жыл бұрын

    第一審でこれだけ「私がいなくなれば 消えればよかったの」とか言ってるのに第二審のサビが「だってだって悪くないもん」なの草

  • @helloex-6767

    @helloex-6767

    Жыл бұрын

    第一審の時は絶対に赦せよオーラ出ていて結果結局赦されて以降 第二審ではクッソいちびって調子に乗って次も私は赦される雰囲気出してんのマジで気持ち悪すぎて引く…ww

  • @user-gs4wm6qc5e

    @user-gs4wm6qc5e

    Жыл бұрын

    ビジュがいいので赦す

  • @user-md8pj4yd4l

    @user-md8pj4yd4l

    Жыл бұрын

    最悪だけど可愛いんだよな…

  • @helloex-6767

    @helloex-6767

    Жыл бұрын

    @@user-md8pj4yd4l 自分もビジュは可愛いし声もええし曲は滅茶苦茶いいのに……っ性格っ…性格が…っ!苦手すぎるしクズすぎる!!!勿体なさすぎる!(クソデカボイス)

  • @enenhero

    @enenhero

    Жыл бұрын

    赦されたら明らか調子乗っててかわいい。わからせたい

  • @user-pc2xm2we4d
    @user-pc2xm2we4d3 жыл бұрын

    ボイスドラマ聴いて思ったんだけど、 ムウちゃんは自分のこと徹底して悪くないって思ってるから、 この一審の映像だけじゃ重要な部分何にも映ってないんじゃないかって思った。 「こういうひどいことされたから殺しちゃったの、ひどいよね、ムウ悪くないよね? まあ、昔する側の立場だったけどね。」っていう流れの映像に思える。

  • @tryrype479

    @tryrype479

    3 жыл бұрын

    一審は赦して、二審の映像で また深く掘り下げた部分が 見てみたいですね…

  • @user-zk8nq9pw8h

    @user-zk8nq9pw8h

    3 жыл бұрын

    て、天才か…?

  • @user-zk8nq9pw8h

    @user-zk8nq9pw8h

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-bp7zk4zt6v ここにも天才が…

  • @user-tk5er5bn4n

    @user-tk5er5bn4n

    3 жыл бұрын

    ボイスドラマだと、結構鋭いところと最後の「変な判断したら許さないからね」っていうセリフからなんか違和感を感じた。

  • @msoimkoi

    @msoimkoi

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-bp7zk4zt6v その描写からわざとらしいって感じる貴方が天才だってことだけ分かった

  • @mikotokayano
    @mikotokayano Жыл бұрын

    hope ppl realize that "nobody deserves to be bullied" and "being bullied doesnt justify killing someone" are statements that can and should and will always coexist

  • @momiji3345

    @momiji3345

    Жыл бұрын

    rightt?? like I personally think she should not be forgiven because she doesn't feel guilty at all like some other prisoners. killing someone is an horrible act and nothing can justify it. if you feel guilty enough and we can see it won't even happen again and that it is an accident depending on the circumstances it can be forgiven (that's my beliefs) but the fact she thinks she's right and the girl deserved to be killed makes me think she could snap again and is a "menace" to society which shouldn't be forgiven..

  • @ryry5663

    @ryry5663

    Жыл бұрын

    @@momiji3345 Sorry but It’s clear that Mu feel regret and doubt about all of this. BUT- the nuance is where she is trying to reach an ideal. The ideal of the one who doesn’t deserve what she’s being trough. Mu is having that behavior to be the closest to that ideals. She’s in fact know that was she has done was bad and regret it deeply. But at the same time these feelings conflict with her ideals of « I wasn’t wrong » as she as to apologize somewhere as she kinda deserves to be treated that way and everything was her fault in the end so no one should emphasize with her feelings because it’s more a punishment that a unfortunate thing. Mu is a child who can only distinguish black and white based on herself. As she understands, that the other prisoners probably had their reasons to kill someone. Saying that someone is unforgivable for the same thing as her would mean that by extension she’s unforgivable. Everything is not black and white. But for her everything is either bad or good. It’s as simple as that. The world just don’t work the same for her. Her image of herself is already quite perplexed but with this whole Milgram situation she can’t adopt the situation otherwise. What I mean, is that in MILGRAM. It’s the worst place possible to show doubts about your actions with your actions/murder. Being in the wrong means being not liked by Es so deserve everything that happen to her so her bullys were right so GUILTY. (Not really but it’s was explained like that to her) again she will have to suffer for trying to stop her suffering no matter how hard she tried that’s won’t stop. She can’t just admit she was wrong somewhere it’s would literally mean that she won’t be protect by the only place ON her side. (She seems to hate school and police. So in my opinion she tried to get help but yk rich girl being rich girl probably some corruption somewhere and for the school they usually don’t care.) So yeah, her new behavior was conform to that idea ! And it’s not that of a shock Milgram has protect and help Mu to reach that ideal version of herself(+ Haruka also has help). But still, Mu can only show that side of her to Milgram. But to Haruka, she explains her doubts, anxiety and everything. As Haruka said that she was scared of Milgram. Is the new Mu, look scared ? No, but she is. Anyways, my point was that she can show something but the meaning behind all of this is totally different. It’s not really about how we think the world is but about how they see it. Mu wants to be like by Es. So she shows them a «good» her (Notice how Mu’s behavior change and NEVER said that something hurt. Even when Yuno reject her) so everything that the bullying happens for in the board(what she thinks is the reason she don’t exactly know about it) she did stop doing it.

  • @mikotokayano

    @mikotokayano

    Жыл бұрын

    im still voting muu innocent cuz i love her though

  • @mikotokayano

    @mikotokayano

    Жыл бұрын

    like its clear to me at least that shes not evil or manipulative or whatever, shes literallyjust a16 year old who snapped 😂 and she lost her power when she was bullied but then after getting an inno vote shes gotten it back again and tries her best to keep it. shes very insecure about her status right now. "...You saw it, right? Muu.. did nothing wrong. Don’t you think so?" (fourth voice line, second trial) she still wants validation like before she just has more social power now and good for her! she gets an inno from me

  • @azaclex7765

    @azaclex7765

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ryry5663 Shes a spoilt child that thinks saying sorry will solve all her problems then continue to do the same thing again. But i’m voting her innocent not in terms of morals but to spoil her even more rotten and see how she changes

  • @user-wp6xs2jc7n
    @user-wp6xs2jc7n3 жыл бұрын

    1:25 LINE会話 友1「今日ムウにもらったリップ良い♡最高♡💄♡」 友2「明日私にもかして!」 ムウ「余り物だけどよかった? うれしい(スタンプ)」 …この子らなんかこわい…

  • @Toanya_0227

    @Toanya_0227

    Жыл бұрын

    “余り物だけど”よかった? …ムゥちゃん性格出てるなぁ

  • @helloex-6767

    @helloex-6767

    3 ай бұрын

    会話から見る限りなんかお互いがお互い狂った関係なのがよく分かる絵面ですね…依存というべきなのか…

  • @user-ot2tf7rh5e
    @user-ot2tf7rh5e2 жыл бұрын

    このmv矛盾してるところ多いし、ムウちゃんの都合のいいように変えてる説まじでありえそう

  • @huwarari9926

    @huwarari9926

    2 жыл бұрын

    これまるでムウが「一番酷い目にあったんだよ?こんな苦しい思いしたのに」 みたいな被害者ヅラしているようにしか見えんし確かに勝手に変えてる説有り得るね 絶対に赦さないでねみたいな圧がある

  • @user-sq8ue6nt8f

    @user-sq8ue6nt8f

    2 жыл бұрын

    曲自体の流れが逆の話なんだろうね… 最初に少年院とか人殺しって書いてあったから…

  • @cartoon_otaku0126

    @cartoon_otaku0126

    2 жыл бұрын

    時系列を都合よく変えている可能性は大きいです。 外ハネちゃんがいじめられているムウを無視したように見えるシーンにも矛盾がありますし(外ハネちゃんの靴下は黒色じゃない)。 時系列を正す いじめられる⇒外ハネちゃんが助けれくれなかった⇒殺害 ではなく 何らかの前触れで外ハネちゃんとムウが不仲になる⇒外ハネちゃん殺害⇒いじめられる みたいな感じだと思います。最初と最後の黒板を見てみればわかりやすいかもしれません。 長文失礼しました!

  • @user-cn2mf4xd3n

    @user-cn2mf4xd3n

    Жыл бұрын

    もしかして、時系列を逆にしてるから砂時計が出てくるのかな...

  • @kamaboko_0134

    @kamaboko_0134

    9 ай бұрын

    @@user-cn2mf4xd3n天才か?

  • @user-fv3ht6ku4v
    @user-fv3ht6ku4v3 жыл бұрын

    ミルグラム通してのことなんだけど、これ囚人の思考を歌にしてるなら、自分に都合のいい部分だけが歌に切り取られてる可能性もあるよね、、ほら人って都合のいいことしか覚えてないし。 例えばムウちゃんなら「実は自分がいじめてて報復されてる、最後の友人みたいな子は一緒にいじめをしてた子」みたいな、、

  • @hayate2730

    @hayate2730

    3 жыл бұрын

    これ上に上げろ

  • @user-togeyama

    @user-togeyama

    3 жыл бұрын

    確かに…3審制なのも、後の曲で解釈が変わることもあるからだよね…ミルグラム本当に天才的な発想だな

  • @mitersules_FanPage

    @mitersules_FanPage

    3 жыл бұрын

    weebs

  • @hmgu299

    @hmgu299

    3 жыл бұрын

    今更ですがすみませんm(_ _)m。 1:53の写真の中にガイシャがいないことから、もしかすると写真に写っている4人でいじめていたのかな?と思いました。

  • @Kufu0101

    @Kufu0101

    3 жыл бұрын

    そうすると「でも多分私も悪い所はあるからさ」のところの意味もわかってきますね

  • @devilxkid2003
    @devilxkid20033 жыл бұрын

    もう全力で被害者ヅラしてるようにしか見えなくて最高 可愛い 大好き

  • @unpoint2228

    @unpoint2228

    2 жыл бұрын

    *_-Cute-_*

  • @user-me7zj1ly1s
    @user-me7zj1ly1s8 ай бұрын

    ムウちゃん、騙すために嘘をついていたってよりは躁鬱みたいな感じなんじゃないかとも思った ミルグラムは本人の性格や記憶が正直に反映されるシステムだし、これが全て嘘ならあまりにも完璧すぎる 顔立ちがはっきりした子を刺す辺りの描写は一幕も二幕も変わらないっぽいし、己の行為を正当化するために強気になったり被害者ぶったり揺らいでるのかな…とか コンテンツしっかり追えてない激にわかの妄想だけどね

  • @ck-rw9cw
    @ck-rw9cw3 жыл бұрын

    こんなに外ハネちゃんが鮮明に映ってるってことは、ムウにとって外ハネちゃんは良くも悪くも特別だったんだろうな

  • @user-tj3nd7be7o
    @user-tj3nd7be7o3 жыл бұрын

    “「ごめんなさい」は届かないよ”と“「ごめんなさい」が聞こえないよ?”の歌い方が違いすぎて鳥肌立ってしまった…

  • @mysophobia2379
    @mysophobia23793 жыл бұрын

    "Strangers would never want to hurt each other that badly." There's a common belief among the MILGRAM theorists that because of the photo on her phone where she is smiling with her bullies, Mu is """"""""secretly""""""""" a bully herself. There's a lot of hard stretches that people use to say that Mu isn't the victim, from "maybe she deserves to be bullied" to her faking her own bullying. However this is predominantly under the assumption that a person who is friends with their bullies must either A) mean that there is a huge reason behind why they turned on her, or B) Mu is faking her bullying for attention because she's clearly good friends with them. However the sad truth is, a lot of bullying comes from the people closest to them. While there are often cases of people harassing strangers or acquaintances, there are just as many if not MORE cases where people are bullied by their peers. While there are reasons why people bully their friends, most of the time it's not for any 'logical' reason. It is ironic that there is a huge amount of dislike for the idea of bullying (as seen with Fuuta), however the reason why a significant number of people bully others is because they view themselves as justified somehow. Which is why I think Fuuta and Mu being next to each other is important; no bully cackles and rubs their hand plotting their evil schemes to demean others. They just do it. Because it's easy, and/or because they view the victim as 'deserving' of it. It's exceptionally easy for everyone to say that they hate bullying. But when bullying happens, a lot of people either let it happen or think that there must be some reason for it. Which permits people with the same mindset as Fuuta to do the things they do. My actual theory/analysis, is that it's a lot more straightforward. There are many indications that the bullying is actually happening, not Mu faking it. The most obvious being the hourglass metaphor. Mu is trapped inside an hourglass, with no chance of getting out (unless if the hourglass breaks). If the bullying was fake, the hourglass wouldn't constantly fill with sand while Mu is still in it. A more accurate metaphor would be an open cage; something that Mu can leave easily but she chooses not to. An hourglass, with it's sand physically weighing down on Mu and threatening to suffocate her is dangerous. Not to mention, there is a physical wall between her and her bullies. The bullies watch her from the outside, but they don't hear her cries for help (or record her). The hourglass slowly fills up with sand, at the start there's only a little bit of sand that reaches her ankles. Then by 0:59, the sand already has crawled up to her waist. By 1:29, it almost completely covered Mu and she sits there defeated not even trying to call for help. And by 1:39, you see the last bit of sand threatening to fall out of the hourglass. The hourglass breaks when Mu stabs her crush right as the last grain of sand falls through, meaning that Mu no longer has to worry about the threat of suffocation. However she instead has to deal with the fact she stabbed someone, where she clearly hyperventilates and freaks out. [TW FOR MENTIONS OF SUICIDE BELOW] As for what the sand represents, my genuine theory is that it represents Mu's ability to deal with the bullying. There are a lot of allusions/implications/mentions of Mu being suicidal, and the hourglass even has a few of them (the noose at 0:35). It's likely that had she not had a fit of emotion while on her last thread, Mu would have killed herself when the hourglass ran out of sand. In essence, the hourglass is Mu's time before she ends up giving up and killing herself. However the trauma of murdering someone else shattered the hourglass, stopping Mu from taking her own life. In addition, there are very VERY explicit depictions of her "friends" taking advantage of Mu's kindness/wealth/desire to be liked. The cell phone texts show that Mu has given the bullies her own 'spare' lipstick (of an extremely expensive, designer lipstick) and they fawn over the fact that it's extremely good. Mu appears happy that they enjoy it, because by extension it means that they appreciate having Mu around. Which then contrasts with Mu getting poured water on, and them stepping on the same phone. The stanza that accompanies Mu with the bullies alongside Mu looking on at her phone is extremely telling of their relationship. "But I see it in my dreams even though I erased it / Maybe I’m done / Just one more time before saying goodbye / I’m just kidding, please forget I said that" The first time references to Mu thinking about the happier times (which likely wasn't that happy, but they still 'appreciated' Mu, or more accurately her wealth), and that she is tired of dealing with the bullying (which is backed up by the hourglass almost almost entirely running out of sand). Before she says goodbye to the world, Mu wants to be happy again with her former friends. Mu wishes to have their friendship back, from before they started bullying her. But since she views it as a selfish, impossible desire...she dismisses it as a "joke". Mu clearly wishes for the same happy, jokey scene before but since it's something out of reach then it's easier for her to laugh it off/distance herself from the idea. Another thing that people bring up is that "because Mu apologies a lot, this means that she's just faking it!" It's actually EXTREMELY common for people who are bullied heavily to apologize more than what is considered 'needed', since they feel like they're always in the wrong. It's why it's bad to aggressively ask someone why they're apologizing so much, because their instinctive response is to apologize for apologizing. As for why her apologies to the person she murdered end up getting weaker/not as emotional, it's likely that her crying so much/freaking out is physically exhausting her. Thus she gets more and more tired as she repeats her apologies, but it won't result in Mu being able to undo her mistake. This is starting to get long, but tl;dr: Mu is very clearly getting bullied and a lot of her scenes/mindset speaks directly as a bullying victim rather than someone who is pretending to be a bully victim.

  • @user-vv9eb5pp7c

    @user-vv9eb5pp7c

    3 жыл бұрын

    Exactly. Plus do people not realize that even if Mu had given the bullies a "reason" to bully her, like being arrogant or something, it still would not be enough of a reason to bully her. 1. In fact, IF Mu had done something so horrible that she would have deserved bullying, then they would be at fault, because bullying wouldn't solve anything. But obviously we're not given any good reason for why Mu should be bullied, and I don't even think there is one. Like, being arrogant is not reason enough to be bullied, as if ANYTHING ever is. Plus that's most likely a rumor at first spread behind her back, so that the bullies feel better about bullying her by justifying it to themselves and other people. 2. I don't see any way Mu would gain something positive out of pretending to be bullied. I don't think that if she was pretending, that she would get her stuff broken, get laughed at, crude writings on chalkboard etc. Even if Mu did pretend, that shows that purple haired girl probably didn't really care. That being said, I absolutely agree with you, and think that Mu wasn't faking and that she is innocent. Purple haired girl just walked over Mu lying down on the floor, probably knowing what was happening, and just ignored it all. And sure, that's not as bad as bullying somebody and she didn't deserve to be killed, but it was still wrong. I think Mu stabbed PHG out of frustration and anger, but that it was an accident. I can't comprehend how people can look at her face in the end, and think that someone who's clearly hyperventilating and shaken up after killing somebody is faking it. And she expresses a LOT of regret over the course of the music video, unlike Fuuta, who just seems scared for HIS own life.

  • @yumerepaint8287

    @yumerepaint8287

    3 жыл бұрын

    YES THANK YOU

  • @yasha5041

    @yasha5041

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-vv9eb5pp7c I COMPLETELY agree with you both. Mu did kill someone, but its obvious that she wasn't faking due to the hints throughout the video (I won't reiterate points). She was pushed to the point of completely snapping, and when she did, she most likely wasn't thinking about it at all. I mean, PHG was her crush, who just completely ignored her in her worst state and when she directly seemed to cry for help. There could be an argument that this murder was premeditated because for some reason, Mu had a box cutter. //TW FOR SUICIDE// However, due to the lyrics directly before her crush passes over her, I'm fairly certain that she had the box cutter to end her own life. "Maybe I'm done / Just one more time before saying goodbye / I'm just kidding, please forget I said that" The hourglass had just run out previously and saying "maybe I'm done" indicates that Mu couldn't handle it anymore. She probably felt hopeless, and had the boxcutter to kill herself and "say goodbye" so to speak. The school appeared almost completely empty, and it seemed to be evening. That might be why Mu stayed where she was for so long. Maybe she was just waiting for everyone to leave so nobody could stop her, and when PHG (her crush) passed by, she desperately reached out for help one last time. Obviously, she'd probably trust her crush and believe that maybe, she could have one person on her side. //TW OVER// When the person she cared for actively pulled away from her after she called out for help, its no wonder Mu lashed out. She was emotionally unstable due to going through so much bullying, not to mention that she's a teenager, which is one of the most emotional age groups (I probably don't need to go into detail on this). And once again, she was clearly still in that emotional state after killing, realizing what she'd done and panicking. So yeah, just adding onto you both. I really don't see how anyone could say Mu "deserved it" when it clearly hurt her so much. Nobody, especially not a CHILD, deserves to be pushed so far.

  • @CanIswearinmyhandle

    @CanIswearinmyhandle

    3 жыл бұрын

    The whole idea of these songs are that they turned the prisoners memories and feelings into songs so they shouldn't be able to lie. Lots of people seem to think this is GameTheory and think way, WAY to hard about every little detail and end up missing the point. Muu were friends with 3 girls, two of them started bullying her (probably because they found out she's gay/bi and in love with the third girl), She reaches out to her former friend and gets rejected, loses it and does a murder.

  • @jplus8825

    @jplus8825

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@CanIswearinmyhandle yeah she's probably a lesbian because on 0:16 one of the writings of the board says ga◌ girl i think. it's on top of arrogant girl the biggest writing on the board

  • @nanashino_san
    @nanashino_san8 ай бұрын

    二審MV見たあとだと最後の教室が誰に宛てたものなのかどういう意図で置かれた花瓶なのかということも、そもそもこのMVの初めから終わりまでの印象がガラッと変わるのがすごい

  • @googleautocorrect9498
    @googleautocorrect94983 ай бұрын

    this girl would be so fixed by therapy it's incredible

  • @user-ie5xv6fr6n
    @user-ie5xv6fr6n3 жыл бұрын

    ムウちゃん、友達が「ムウがくれたリップ最高」とか褒めてくれた時に「あまりものだけどよかった?」みたいなこと素で言っちゃうタイプか……!!!!!!!

  • @huwarari9926

    @huwarari9926

    2 жыл бұрын

    思ったことを言っちゃうタイプでもありそう

  • @user-xw8yn5ql7x

    @user-xw8yn5ql7x

    2 жыл бұрын

    プライドが高い性格だから、そもそもどういった発言が地雷になるのか分かってない可能性があるかも。

  • @helloex-6767

    @helloex-6767

    Жыл бұрын

    こんなあっさりと言うから悪気一切ないつもりで言っているんだろうけどわざわざ言うことじゃないよね…

  • @plokijum

    @plokijum

    8 ай бұрын

    What's wrong with that.

  • @princessminer7872

    @princessminer7872

    8 ай бұрын

    Bro the second video got me so confused

  • @user-vl9ne3cq1x
    @user-vl9ne3cq1x3 жыл бұрын

    いままで他のキャラが出た時、いかにもモブ!って感じだったのに 青い髪の子だけこんなにはっきり描かれてるってことはそれくらいムウのがこの子に対する思いが(思い出が)濃いってことなのかな

  • @user-kf6qj7lz7i

    @user-kf6qj7lz7i

    3 жыл бұрын

    青い髪の子どこにいるの?

  • @user-vl9ne3cq1x

    @user-vl9ne3cq1x

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-kf6qj7lz7i こやつ 2:02

  • @user-bm5pk1dc1l

    @user-bm5pk1dc1l

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@user-vl9ne3cq1x 青い?

  • @user-cw1pg3ul8b

    @user-cw1pg3ul8b

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@user-bm5pk1dc1l 青みのあるグレージュって感じ?

  • @huwarari9926

    @huwarari9926

    2 жыл бұрын

    他のコメでも言われてるけどムウは外ハネちゃんに好意を寄せていたんだと 思う だから外ハネちゃん以外顔を描かれていないというよりただ単に興味が無かった つまりレズビアン説ですね

  • @xenxru
    @xenxru3 жыл бұрын

    The vibe of the song:🥳💖💫😁 The lyrics & meaning:💀🔪🖤⛓🥀

  • @FeatherP

    @FeatherP

    3 жыл бұрын

    just like pumped up kicks

  • @childofwelp

    @childofwelp

    2 жыл бұрын

    uh... MURDER????? DEATH???? BULLYING?????

  • @imacupcake

    @imacupcake

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Val1im22 did we listen to the same song 😭

  • @kit76149

    @kit76149

    2 жыл бұрын

    @I'm a cupcake idk where you guys are getting a happy vibe in distorted electronic beats, sad synths and depressing guitar, and dead inside singing

  • @doqmeat

    @doqmeat

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kit76149 THANK YOUUU

  • @YuYu-ns5te
    @YuYu-ns5te Жыл бұрын

    第二審見て戻って来たけど2:04の足、最初は外ハネちゃんの足だと思ってたけど、3:04見ると外ハネちゃんの靴下は紺色ではなく白色なんですよね…

  • @Someone-zn4dh

    @Someone-zn4dh

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh that is another thing I did not notice

  • @1bitgrace
    @1bitgrace3 жыл бұрын

    Reminder that we’re voting to FORGIVE or NOT FORGIVE the person, not if they’re innocent or guilty Everyone is, to some degree, guilty of their crime. We are just deciding if we forgive them or not

  • @hilmamufidah7286

    @hilmamufidah7286

    3 жыл бұрын

    What happen if the character not forgiven?

  • @kaedesakura9274

    @kaedesakura9274

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@hilmamufidah7286 in the next trial the character will receive a less incriminating song with more focus on what make them forgivable. Noone knows what happens after the third trail tho.

  • @hilmamufidah7286

    @hilmamufidah7286

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@kaedesakura9274 is that so? Wow. I think I should learn more about Milgram stuff. I new here

  • @hilmamufidah7286

    @hilmamufidah7286

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@kaedesakura9274 owh! Thanks for the info

  • @chelle33333

    @chelle33333

    3 жыл бұрын

    most people rn are guessing that the final trail is when all the characters that aren't forgiven give their "final words" so to speak and the other characters react to what their votes are, but it's mostly speculation at this point. there's also Es' side plot to think about and look into soo yeah.

  • @user-ce3xj4rl4w
    @user-ce3xj4rl4w3 жыл бұрын

    砂時計なの見ると人を殺すまで残りこんな感じですよと知らせてるのかなという誰もが考えることしか考察出来ねぇ

  • @user-wr8tk8rb4d
    @user-wr8tk8rb4d8 ай бұрын

    ラスサビ「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ」の裏で聞こえる"ごめんなさい"が段々気持ちのこもらない言い方になっていくのムウの本質が見えるような気がしてゾッとする

  • @user-lb8gk2bv7b
    @user-lb8gk2bv7b3 жыл бұрын

    ムウちゃんがかつていじめる側だった説を前提として、諸所の悪びれてない感じからふと考えたんですが……「“あなた”が好きよ」の“あなた”ってもしかして、“外ハネちゃん自体”じゃなくて“いじめられていたかつての外ハネちゃん”を指してたりする……? 「(いじめられている)“あなた”が好きよ」、「“あなた”(をいじめている自分(自分達)の立場や優越感?)が好きよ」という風に捉えることも出来るのか?と…… 「」ついてるのはムウちゃんの本音・言葉だからなのかな?っていうのと同時に、わざわざ“あなた”に“”をつけてるのは、外ハネちゃんの顔描写がしっかりされてる理由にもなるのかな……と……  語彙力足らなくて&既にどなたか出されてたらごめんなさい……! 数日前突然おすすめにMILGRAMが現れて、どっぷりと世界観にハマってます……。ムウちゃん初見は(お恥ずかしながら)「刺しちゃダメだろ……」ぐらいにぼんやりとしか考えられなかったですが、違和感を集めだすとうわうわうわ!これ赦さない方がいいのでは?!となってしまう……でもこれ自体がミスリードだったりするかも知れませんもんね……怖いけど次がどう転がっていくのか楽しみな自分も居る……あとコスメ系の会社の令嬢説好きです。  長文失礼いたしましたm(_ _)m 【追記】 そして外ハネちゃんをいじめていたことで“生きてる”を感じていたのかも知れないな……とも思いました……(◎-◎;)

  • @BlackDiamondQueer
    @BlackDiamondQueer3 ай бұрын

    How this song transforms with the context of the sequel. Oh man.

  • @Kyoyo2

    @Kyoyo2

    2 ай бұрын

    no cause I still can't get over that plot twist

  • @user-so1xi1rv5e
    @user-so1xi1rv5e3 жыл бұрын

    ムウちゃんは第一審赦されたけどそれは、みんな1度赦して第二審で赦さないで、ムウちゃんに地獄を見せようってことだよね? まぁ、ジャッカロープが「好き嫌いでもいい」って言ったから判断基準がみんな一緒だとは思ってないけど個人的には赦す勢が強くてびっくりした。

  • @akutsukano2511
    @akutsukano2511 Жыл бұрын

    第二審トレーラーを聞いてここに戻ってきたらめちゃくちゃいい気持ちになってきたな 「あなたが好きよ」って「(私の言うこと聞いてくれる)あなたが好きよ(だから戻ってきてね)」だったのかもしれないわな!!!!!!

  • @Maria54378
    @Maria543787 ай бұрын

    The biggest gaslighting of my life

  • @professionalfartsmeller69

    @professionalfartsmeller69

    7 ай бұрын

    Real this mf had me fooled

  • @user-vb1eb4po3j
    @user-vb1eb4po3j3 жыл бұрын

    0:20 内容からムウに対する黒板 3:25 ムウではない誰かに対する黒板 ピンクのセーターを着ていないのは虐める側だった頃のムウ。 1:25 1:54 おそらく「たまりば」のメンツ 1:42 〜 1:50 靴下の色、制服の着こなしからムウを虐めてるのは「たまりば」のうちの2人(あー、さゆ) 0:56 セーターなし→虐めてる側 「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ」虐めてる子に対して 2:52 虐められる側(○した後) 「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ」(いつか届くのかな)周りに向けて 2:04 ムウが○した子(個室から出てきた)の靴下は白。紺色なのでこの足はムウ自身?虐める側だった頃にムウも同じように無視したことの表現? 虐める側だった自分のことを棚に上げて、自分を無視した子をやっちゃった感じでしょうか?

  • @user-eg1ph9iy3y
    @user-eg1ph9iy3y3 жыл бұрын

    ここまで来て思うんだけど、曲、MV、ドラマCD聞いてハルカとムウちゃんは、もちろん被害者としての1面もあるんだけど、なんか…奥底にまだ人格を隠してるような気がするというか…。同情の気持ちと同時に怖いと感じる何かがある…。 私だけですかね?

  • @user-ce3xj4rl4w

    @user-ce3xj4rl4w

    3 жыл бұрын

    分かります…… なんか闇深そうな案件が隠れてて怖いですよね……

  • @user-nm5co2rs8q

    @user-nm5co2rs8q

    3 жыл бұрын

    ドラマCDとか聞いていて引っかかる部分が、多くありましたしね…

  • @user-ce3xj4rl4w

    @user-ce3xj4rl4w

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-nm5co2rs8q そうなんですよね。 あと個人的にミルグラムの方で行われた尋問にもハルカだけですが闇深そうな答えが何個もあって……うん……となりました。

  • @user-mi2ui3wt1t
    @user-mi2ui3wt1t6 ай бұрын

    初見なんだけど「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ?」の所がイジメの原因が自分にあるのかもって自責から「いやアイツらが悪い、謝ったのに受け入れてくれないアイツらが悪いんだ」に他責に変わってるのがエグくてうわっ…ってなりました…

  • @user-yf2so2fw4q
    @user-yf2so2fw4q3 жыл бұрын

    ムウもこの映像を見てる私たちもある意味都合のいい見えてる部分しか信じてないの深いよなあ

  • @jitan46
    @jitan463 жыл бұрын

    誰かの役に立てれば。 公式ページ引用 ムウ/楠夢羽(くすのき むう) CV:香里有佐 「なんで私がこんな檻に入れられなきゃいけないの ……ひどいよ。」 日本人離れした透明感のある容姿の美少女の囚人。 線の細い見た目に反して思ったことはハッキリというタイプで、ミルグラムという異常な状況に反抗している。エスに対して最初は強い警戒心を持っている。 ひとつひとつの所作には育ちの良さを感じさせ、おそらく裕福な家庭に産まれたであろうことを想像させる。そのせいかプライドが高く、他人と衝突するとすぐに涙ぐんでしまい弱音を吐きがち。 性別____女 身長____162cm 誕生日____7月5日 年齢____16歳 血液型____A型

  • @no7name4

    @no7name4

    3 жыл бұрын

    むうちゃんと誕生日近いから一番好きだけどこれ見てて辛いわ…

  • @user-qv2kv6xo4g
    @user-qv2kv6xo4g3 жыл бұрын

    いつもはコメントしないでROMってるんだけど今回ばかりは我慢ならなくて来てしまった ムウちゃん赦す派の人は考察を読み漁って意見がまとまったらサブスクでムウちゃんとエスのボイスドラマを聴いてくれ MV初見段階で赦す派だった僕が一瞬で赦せない派に転んだからマジで聴いてほしい、crying Bってタイトルのボイスドラマ、聴いてくれ、MV見るだけで、歌聴くだけで終わらせるのはあまりにももったいない、もっと知ってくれ…

  • @user-qv2kv6xo4g

    @user-qv2kv6xo4g

    3 жыл бұрын

    ムウちゃんとエスのボイスドラマ聞けばわかるんだけどあまりにも「自分は悪くない」の主張が強すぎる… 人を殺しておいて「自分は悪くなくて相手が悪い」はちょっとなあ、という理由があるので個人的にはもうムウちゃんを赦せなくなってしまった… MVでは「私にも悪いところはあるからさ」とか「私はいらない」とか弱気な言葉ばかり出てくるけどボイスドラマ聞いてる感じ赦されたいから可哀想ないじめられっ子を演出してる感が否めない… 「変な判断したら許さないからね」の声のトーンが落ちる感じもすごい引っかかる……

  • @user-qv2kv6xo4g

    @user-qv2kv6xo4g

    3 жыл бұрын

    これはあくまでも僕の考えなのでやっぱり自分の耳で聴いて確かめてほしいところ。なんかこれこそまさに 全てを知ったあなたはちゃんと赦せるかな? って感じというか。

  • @user-eg1ph9iy3y

    @user-eg1ph9iy3y

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-qv2kv6xo4g 本当にそう思います。私も最初のムウちゃんのイメージが大分一新されました… 殺した女の子はイジメてないと思ってるんですけど、イジメてない子を殺して「私は絶対悪くない」はちょっと違うかなと… ボイスドラマ聞いて、ムウちゃんってそんなに弱い子じゃないなって確信しました。 私も赦さない派です。

  • @garahii

    @garahii

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-qv2kv6xo4g ボイスドラマは聞いてないんですけど、公式サイトのボイスでどれか「殺す以外逃げる方法がなかったから仕方ない」っと言ってたり、「私のしたことが悪いかどうかは他の人にはわからない」とかかなり自己中な感じがします。 MVと公式サイトのセリフを比べれば比べるほど謎の「木の葉許してはいけない」という謎の感覚が迫ってきます。 「私がいなくなれば 消えればよかったの」っというくらいなら親の財力で引っ越すなりすればよかったんじゃ?とかも思いますし、色々と引っかかりますね… 殺した子の事はMVで彼女の手を掴んだ瞬間「“あなた”が好きよ」っというフレーズが来るので、殺した子が好きで構って欲しいから周りにいじめて欲しいって頼んでいたとかもあり得そうだなって思いました。

  • @user-lk4id4ji3l

    @user-lk4id4ji3l

    3 жыл бұрын

    よっしゃ。買うわ((

  • @user-sekina
    @user-sekina3 жыл бұрын

    歌詞で「私のことを悪者にするなら無視したっていいからね」ってあるのに、無視されて殺しちゃってるからどうなんだろうとは思ってる。

  • @nc25382
    @nc253823 жыл бұрын

    皆、ムウちゃんが外ハネの子を庇ったから標的が移ったって考察してるけど 私は元々ムウちゃんが外ハネの子をいじめてて、ムウちゃんのプライドの高い性格だったりなんかの拍子にいじめの標的になって、立場が逆転しちゃったっていう説を推しますね..._(:3 」∠)_

  • @tri_angel_3
    @tri_angel_33 жыл бұрын

    1:04のところ、叩く音が幻聴で聴こえてくるくらいリアルで改めてアニメーターさんすごいなと思いました。。

  • @user-ee4eo2kn7n
    @user-ee4eo2kn7n3 жыл бұрын

    最初の黒板の文字『親の七光り』だとか、途中のスマホの画面だとか、『死化粧』っていう歌詞だったりとかで多分化粧品メーカーの社長の娘、とかだったんじゃないかな。そういう考察しかできん…

  • @x-g2235

    @x-g2235

    3 жыл бұрын

    なるほど…それなら某デパコスリップが「余り物」っていう所とも繋がりますね…!

  • @LanieMae
    @LanieMae3 ай бұрын

    I relate to Muu deeply. I am currently in a really bad situation online and I feel like I have the exact same mindset as she has. I feel like I’ve been constantly switching between being the one hated on and the one to send hate. I feel like people have done bad things to me so I have lashed out and hated on them, and it keeps repeating. I can’t stop victimising myself unconsciously, I am aware that what I’m doing is bad and a lot of it is my fault but I don’t want it to be. A part of me is trying to push the blame onto others and claim that their actions have been the one to push me this far, but I don’t even know what is true everywhere. I have been extremely paranoid of everyone in this situation and am so scared that everyone is going to hate and hurt me, and some of the people who have blocked me or who I have felt I have hurt are people I used to consider friends, but I’m in the situation where I can only feel anger towards them. I have apologised a lot, but I never feels as my words of “I’m sorry” has reached anyone. And I feel as if I’m yelling into an endless void. Someone did reach out to me, to help me. But an incident happened where it felt like they betrayed me. I don’t know if it was a misunderstanding or not, but we got back together. But I am in the situation where I am eating on them to make a choice which could lead to me indefinitely hating them. I’ve felt like hating and lashing out in violence has been the only option and I can’t escape in any other way. That counterattack is the death of me. But if I feel like everyone suddenly accepts me I feel like I will slip into a mindset of nothing being my fault. And I feel like I am a complete monster for acting the way I am. If I look at Muu’s behaviour in trial 2. I really do feel like that I am going to destroy anyone who “betrays” me. That even a single like on a post that I feel like is targeting me makes them dead to me. I feel as I am controlling the people who still support me through victimising myself even if I don’t know it. I feel as though everyone is picking sides and I am the head person in charge of “my side”, and the monster. I’ve never thought about Muu that much but this situation has made me understand her so, so much more. I can now understand every action she’s made, why she lashed out against Rei and why she turned to be a bully, and the cycle she’s trapped in. I hate how people mischaracterise Muu and say she’s irredeemably evil or a manipulator, as someone in a very similar situation people assuming that about me is my biggest fear. And I feel scared for how she’s going to turn up in trial 3. But, I just need to respect how realistic Muu’s situation is and how it’s guiding me through a tough some, serving as some sort of cautionary tale. Muu and her story may be the way I could get out of this situation. So I have utmost respect to the creators of Milgram for portraying her character like this, as she resonates deeply with me.

  • @fellowmemer5693

    @fellowmemer5693

    3 ай бұрын

    Hey man, just wanted to to let you know it gets better. Life is never a never ending cycle of hatred. I know you got this

  • @LanieMae

    @LanieMae

    3 ай бұрын

    @@fellowmemer5693 yeah. I had a talk with someone online which managed to re inspire hope in me and stop hating myself so much. Currently I feel as though I can persist through this situation and I just needed to clear my mind and accept my mistakes, and move from there

  • @chara_lotte

    @chara_lotte

    2 ай бұрын

    It will change, life will be better, you`re not alone. :з

  • @user-lq4md7db2n
    @user-lq4md7db2n3 жыл бұрын

    最後に出てくる黒板の文字ムウちゃんじゃなくて殺されちゃった子に対していってる気がする。もしかして昔ムウちゃんは自分を守る為に一緒になって女の子を虐めちゃってて、それでなんかあって標的が女の子からムウちゃんに変わっちゃったから女の子は助けを求められた時知らん顔したのかなとかいう考察を思いついた。 もしこうだったら赦すか赦さないか結構わかれてくるよね。

  • @selen4993
    @selen49933 жыл бұрын

    ムウちゃんが仲良くしてた女の子はムウちゃん含め4人だけど、髪型などからムウちゃんが〇した人がそのグループにはいない気がするんだよね… だから、ムウちゃんが最後〇した女の子は元々虐められっ子で、ムウちゃんがその子を庇った。それで標的が移って、ムウちゃんが虐められている今の状況になってしまった。それでその女の子はムウちゃんに助けられたけど、虐められっ子の生活に戻りたくなかったから「ごめん」と言って見て見ぬふりを続けてた。だから、ごめんの魔法は聞き飽きてしまった。前に助けたムウちゃんはその子に助けを求めるけど、その子は応えてくれない。それでもう…パリーンとね… でもそうなると友達の1人が居ないんだよね…でもわざわざ髪型変えるとか分かりにくいことするかな?と思って考えました。

  • @user-yn1em4ii2v

    @user-yn1em4ii2v

    3 жыл бұрын

    似たような考察してるのでコメント残します! 元々その殺された女の子がグループに居たと思うんですよね。既読が4と表示されてるので4人グループだと3になるはずなんですよね。 映像に表示されてる画面外で退会させられてる可能性が高いのではないかと推測してます。 映像最後の誹謗中傷はムウちゃんに向けてか殺された女の子についてか分からないんですよね。 貧乏くさいについては的を得てない気もするので殺された女の子に対するものだと考えると投稿主さんの考察とマッチする部分が出てくると思います。 最後の映像は殺された女の子のいじめに加担していたのを示唆する映像かもしれないですね。 参考までに!!!

  • @ponta-mr4uo

    @ponta-mr4uo

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-yn1em4ii2v 1番右のやつ、違いますか??

  • @flaflu180399
    @flaflu180399 Жыл бұрын

    Looking back on this, the hourglass is a genius representation. Not only of Mu being "pilled up" with the bullying until she snapped and killed, but also that before Mu's side started being filled, the "other side" was the one that got filled first with the bullying.

  • @user-yh7pk4cn1d
    @user-yh7pk4cn1dАй бұрын

    リアルタイムの一審のコメ見た後に二審のコメ見るとめっちゃ手のひら返ってんのいっそ爽快

  • @kokoro7996
    @kokoro79963 жыл бұрын

    This one is pretty straight forward than the other ones. Mu was friends with a group of girls, but then they turned on and started bullying her. One day, she chased after one of these friends, who was most likely the one she was closest to, and asked her why she had turned on her. The friend just turned her away, and Mu killed her in a fit of anger.

  • @sora666bad4

    @sora666bad4

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think that they bully her because she was in love with the girl and ask the girl out.

  • @explolsivecake2045

    @explolsivecake2045

    3 жыл бұрын

    What I got from it is that she was kinda agreeing with them in an toxic relationship sort of way, like denial. Since she outright says that it was simple might mean she’s in denial of the whole story. Maybe this detail doesn’t matter but idk man

  • @Neptunya

    @Neptunya

    3 жыл бұрын

    The girl she kills at the end is separate from her friend group. You can see her friend group at 1:53 on the broken phone, and notice how the girl at 2:01 doesn't match any of them.

  • @kokoro7996

    @kokoro7996

    3 жыл бұрын

    Anna Mai Perhaps the girl didn’t bully Mu, but didn’t do anything about it either.

  • @hh1623

    @hh1623

    3 жыл бұрын

    Everyone the shoes of purple girl it not same. Mu killed the wrong person. It her twin.

  • @redmuffler3186
    @redmuffler31863 жыл бұрын

    Another thing to note is that the girl she fell in love with was her seatmate. 1:17 Mu's desk is 5th row, 4th from the right (basing it on the light from the window compared to 3:31) 3:31 Flower (which Japanese schools put on deceased student's desks) is on the desk right beside Mu's On 1:22 Mu pushes her phone out of her desk towards that girl's desk while singing "Someone please help me." I think this furthers the interpretation that Mu and that girl were close before the bullying began. The person she liked most likely started ignoring her after the bullying because she didn't want to get involved (like how she hid the entire time in the bathroom stall instead of helping). Mu was actively asking for help from that girl but was ignored.

  • @plzleavemealone9660

    @plzleavemealone9660

    Жыл бұрын

    Is there some ''facts'' about this on twitter. Because there's no scene that implies she loves the girl. すき can be platonic. Although not put into words most of the time when it is platonic. Which she doesn't do. She's also not bullied because she's gay. The reason why she's apologizing is because she thinks the reason why she's being treated like that is because she must have done something wrong. Which at the end she did. She was probably just her childhood friend. This often happens, at least in Japan. Childhood friends joining the bullies just so they themselves can keep their ''status'' in the classroom.

  • @allisonm.323

    @allisonm.323

    Жыл бұрын

    @@plzleavemealone9660 hardly anything is a coincidence in Milgram, their theory is completely valid

  • @a100.3

    @a100.3

    Жыл бұрын

    well , turns out muu put the flowers for a verry different reason...

  • @no-sky5595

    @no-sky5595

    5 ай бұрын

    :/

  • @Lari10
    @Lari102 жыл бұрын

    赦せないかもだけど今のところミルグラムで1番好きな曲

  • @user-mt3sk3vz6j

    @user-mt3sk3vz6j

    2 жыл бұрын

    わかります・・・!

  • @Nenenenene0
    @Nenenenene02 жыл бұрын

    「痛みの中で会いましょう」のところからのリズムめちゃくちゃ好き

  • @Nenenenene0

    @Nenenenene0

    2 жыл бұрын

    深く考えずに見てる勢には『貴方が好きよ』の真意が分からない。 まぁ全部わかんないんだけど。

  • @user-xl9sk2gs3f
    @user-xl9sk2gs3f3 жыл бұрын

    油時計(砂時計?)は使うとき最初に逆さにする必要があるので、時系列が反転してる説推したいです。

  • @user-cr4ul3hy5e
    @user-cr4ul3hy5e3 жыл бұрын

    黄緑のモノが毒を表してて、toxic relations(有害な、心を蝕む人間関係)っていう英語の考察すき…… Toxic relationsが、依存関係といじめを表してるとすると、殺す時の「好き」がしっくりくる

  • @mari_kinoko
    @mari_kinoko3 жыл бұрын

    「あなたが好きよ」の所ムウちゃんの瞳孔ちゃんと開いてるのすこ

  • @user-tj3nd7be7o

    @user-tj3nd7be7o

    3 жыл бұрын

    好きな人のこと考えると瞳孔が開くって言いますもんね。恋愛的に好きって決まったわけではありませんが

  • @user-rn4px4nq5v
    @user-rn4px4nq5v Жыл бұрын

    最初は「ごめんなさいは届かないよ」なのにラストで「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ?」ってサラッと相手に謝罪求めてるみたいになってて、こっちが本性か、、、、ってこじつけてる、つらい

  • @user-torata
    @user-torata3 жыл бұрын

    考察みてて思ったけどこれそもそもムウちゃんの心象風景だから、ムウちゃんが心の底から都合の悪い部分忘れてて(見えてなくて)自分が可哀想なとこ(いじめられているところ)ばかり見えてる? もともといじめられていた子からいじめの標的が変わって〜っていう考察読んでいたらムウちゃん自身もいじめに加担していた可能性たしかにあるしそれが心象風景の中に写ってないのはもしかしてその部分(本当に自分が悪い部分)については悪いと思ってないというかなかったことになってるというか言葉(歌詞)だけなんだよね。 もしかしてもしかしてこれ同情してほしいっていう強い想いの表れでこんなに単純に「赦す」票が集まりそうな映像になっているけれどよくよく考えると「赦さない」ほうがいい案件だったり…す…????る????

  • @user-kx8mq7ot2e
    @user-kx8mq7ot2e3 жыл бұрын

    ムウが凄い可哀想な話かと思ったけど考察やら見たり聞いたりしてからもう一度聴くと最後の黒板の前で笑ってる表情なんかは凄い赦せない気持ちにしてくるな でも何故かミルグラムの中で1番の推しかも

  • @fry6203

    @fry6203

    8 ай бұрын

    性格は確かに最悪なんだけどその性格込みでもすごい可愛いんだよなぁ、、、何故だ、、、

  • @greygravesVT
    @greygravesVT Жыл бұрын

    So since the second trial showed that the green liquid is Honey, I realized that this is LITERALLY a Honey trap to get what she wants huh?

  • @keithkogane841

    @keithkogane841

    Жыл бұрын

    YOOOO you're totally right!

  • @anna.owo.

    @anna.owo.

    Жыл бұрын

    I think this is incect juice, also a reminder the characters can not lie. she was a victim, she bullied people but then her friend that also partake in the bullying betray her and started bullying her even worst, like physical bullying ( pain is her worst fear)

  • @drowninthehydraulicpress5844

    @drowninthehydraulicpress5844

    Жыл бұрын

    @@anna.owo. they can't lie but it doesn't necessarily mean that mu wasn't lying about the bullying thing. she could've genuinely believed that if somebody didnt listen to her, or didnt do what she wanted and turned her away, it was considered bullying. I think we can assume especially bases on her 2nd trial qna that she genuinely doesnt think she did anything wrong by killing that girl, so its possible that shes also so delusional that her definition of bullying is just completely messed up, or that the girl did bully her, but not as bad as she thinks. Because Mu is evidently a spoiled girl as well, I wouldnt be surprised if she was just a drama queen and genuinely believed that the bullying she went through was worse than what it actually was. Keeping in mind that these mv's are all what they think/see in their mind, not everything may have been as bad as it actually was. But I still have no idea whats going on with mu, and this is nothing but a minor theory ʅ(◞‿◟)ʃ

  • @airabuuu

    @airabuuu

    Жыл бұрын

    I don’t think it’s a honey trap tbh, I’m not sure what it could be but I don’t think Muu fabricated an entire bullying situation to paint herself in a better light

  • @__xczx__.
    @__xczx__.2 жыл бұрын

    口では自分も悪かったみたいに言いながら、内心自分は悪くないって思ってるのリアル過ぎて怖い SNSとかこういうの溢れてるよね私もそう

  • @user-gr7mi9nw1l
    @user-gr7mi9nw1l3 жыл бұрын

    すっごいガバガバ考察だけど 油時計はいじめられてかけられた水で、 その水がかかる度、ムウちゃんの 主犯格への殺意が油時計のように 溜まっていったってことかな、? 追記! これ殺したのは主犯格じゃなくって元々自分と1番仲が良かったけどいじめてる側(主犯では無い?) になってしまった友達って事かな、、最後に助けを求めたけど受け入れてもらえなくて爆発しちゃったのか、、でも結局みんなに批難されるとか本当に胸糞でムウちゃん赦しちゃうなこれ、、

  • @nukochanmachine

    @nukochanmachine

    3 жыл бұрын

    確かに時計が壊れた瞬間殺しちゃってる…

  • @user-gs6qo8iz1s

    @user-gs6qo8iz1s

    3 жыл бұрын

    個人的に最後に叩かれてるのは死んだ子じゃないかなと思います.......

  • @nukochanmachine

    @nukochanmachine

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-gs6qo8iz1s 確かに…ちなみに最後の黒板に「ムウ」って文字一つもありませんよね…これもどういう関係なのか…

  • @user-gs6qo8iz1s

    @user-gs6qo8iz1s

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nukochanmachine んん。。。 個人的には最後の黒板には首つりと刺し傷を連想させる絵があるのと 一つだけきれいな字で「楽しませてくれてありがとう」みたいな文字があるのがきになっていて むうちゃんも花持っているし 首つりは最初の砂時計の時に足元に落ちていたので まだよくわかんないですが時間逆行説推してますね。。。。

  • @user-tt8nm6tz9l

    @user-tt8nm6tz9l

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-gs6qo8iz1s 設定見ればわかるんですけど、ムウちゃん裕福な家庭の子なんですよ…。でも貧乏って最後の黒板書かれてるんです。だから私も同じ考えです。

  • @user-gc2jg5mj6j
    @user-gc2jg5mj6j3 жыл бұрын

    こんなにはっきり刺すところあるの初めてじゃない? 曲かわいい好き

  • @lorenaml4021

    @lorenaml4021

    2 жыл бұрын

    It is true

  • @yokomatsubara432
    @yokomatsubara43215 күн бұрын

    他のコメントで見たんだけど(あなたのごめんなさいが届かないよ)で確かにと思った。よく聞いたら3:06ぐらいから3:18までいろんな人たちがごめんなさいって言ってる…それを掻き消すようにごめんなさいが聞こえないよって歌ってる感じがした。ミルグラムすごい…

  • @fern6287
    @fern6287 Жыл бұрын

    Yall she's always been like she is now. She just isnt getting viciously bullied and harassed anymore. Along with that we also told her what she did was right lol. Also her and Haruka are in a CODEPENDENT relationship, she is not some evil woman who decided she was gonna manipulate himm. They've literally been friends since early on as well, their situation anf stuff just pushed them to that point yknow 😭 Edit: this still applies after inmf idgaf

  • @mintycaramel7250

    @mintycaramel7250

    Жыл бұрын

    SO TRUE YOU ARE SO BASED IM GLAD SOMEONE HERE HAS BRAIN CELLS

  • @ChimeraLotietheBunny

    @ChimeraLotietheBunny

    Жыл бұрын

    gosh dang , can't wait for tiral 2 of her song

  • @lifemisery9279

    @lifemisery9279

    Жыл бұрын

    True, based, goated, and a massive W

  • @a_black_box

    @a_black_box

    Жыл бұрын

    SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

  • @Nian91131

    @Nian91131

    Жыл бұрын

    i have bad feeling bout her coz of her distorted voice in the beginning of trial, it kinda hint that she wanted to pay back to all who hurt her (either who already did or will do in the future) like the mentality of wanting to attack before they can hurt you.... well hope that its not really true tho since i am gonna feel bad about haruka

  • @user-cg5db6wc7n
    @user-cg5db6wc7n3 жыл бұрын

    ムウちゃんのだけこんなに鮮明に人を殺した描写とか周りの人の顔とか描かれてるのってさ、やっぱり自分の中でちゃんと罪の意識があるのかな?それか、あえて逆をついて明確な罪の意識があんまりなくて自分が悪い訳じゃないと思ってるから直接的な表現でも赦されると思ってるとか…… どっちなのかは分からないけど……

  • @rin7647
    @rin76473 жыл бұрын

    i think it's interesting to take a look at the writings in blackboard: - "arrogant girl" is the biggest one - グズグズ can mean someone who complaint a lot - a picture depicting self-harm? - saying she cry easily - "that's so mean (crying)" below knife drawing i think mu come off as arrogant because of her wealthy family, the type of girl who complaint a lot (again, bc of her wealthy family), and cry easily ー leading to people disliking her. mu might also be self-harming for attention (or simply bc she was bullied) another interesting to note that the hourglass might represent mu's "breaking" point. it fill up as the song goes on and right after it look it's almost empty, the lyrics say "i'm done" (1:44). the green liquid represent acid, i.e mu's toxic relationship with the 3 girls. and now for the reason mu is bullied ー come the purple-haired girl (i'm referring her as purple girl from now on). i believe that mu loved her in romantic sense. she might be mu's only "real" friend that doesn't see mu s a walking money bag. upon realizing mu's feeling for her, purple girl pushed mu away and "abandoned" mu. i also believe that purple girl is a snitch, telling mu's 3 friends (or perhaps even everyone in the school) that she like girls, thus the lines at 1:26 adding on, the line "the stabbing of the little devil's voice" (2:02 and 2:15) seems to be associated with purple girl, further confirming that purple girl inflicted some kind of misery upon mu, directly or indirectly mu's 3 friends reacted negatively to knowing mu liked purple girl, thus her "sorry" not reaching any of them and her getting bullied. she also likely has internalized homophobia, blaming herself for liking another girl (0:42) this indicate that mu has completely given up, secretly planning her own suicide already as a last ditch "revenge" against those that bullied her (1:55) the purple girl might've mocked mu (the stabbing of the little devil's voice line) or maybe it's the act of purple girl "abandoning" mu and walking away. or purple girl might've reminded mu that the reason she was suffering is partially bc she liked purple girl. either way, purple girl snapped mu (2:06) in the chase scene we see overflowing pipe (representing mu's hourglass breaking and everything spilling out), a hourglass on the edge of stairs (mu about to break), and a crow taking off (mu seeing death, either hers or purple girl's, as the only way to set her free from pain) 2:24 "why won't you stop hurting me" might be mu seeing purple girl as her source of misery (bullying) mu might've chased after her to "apologize" for having romantic feelings for purple girl, but purple girl just brushed mu off. seeing as how everyone (first her 3 friends, now purple girl) "abandoned" mu, she just completely broke and stabbed purple girl in either act of desperation or rage 2:46 "i want to feel alive" "is it ok if i breathe" mu probably just see purple girl as her source of misery and thought that by ending her, mu can be finally free from all her pain and "alive" again 2:53 she immediately regretted her actions, but no one want to listen to her anymore thus her sorry not reaching anyone her bullying likely worsened after what she did. the writings in the blackboard basically all tell her to hurry and go die. the flower vase could be tribute to purple girl's passing, but more likely than not it's a "go die" bullying for mu

  • @shavlis

    @shavlis

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hey you should listen to her voice drama!! Maybe your perception of her would change!

  • @kookoo7511

    @kookoo7511

    3 жыл бұрын

    The blackboard also has something saying "i wish she transferred to an all boy school" smth like that i think so yeah she definitely is in love with purple girl

  • @MissNoraTW

    @MissNoraTW

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@kookoo7511 Um sorry but “少年院” is not "boy's school" in Japanese. It's actually a juvenile reformatory for teenagers who committed crimes. There's also “犯罪者”, which means "Criminal" in Japanese. To be honest, it should be "男子校" if it's referring to boy's school.

  • @aziel8628

    @aziel8628

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@shavlis can i know where i can listen to her voice drama with English subtitle? Pardon my grammar, English isn't my first language

  • @shavlis

    @shavlis

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@aziel8628 the voice drama is in spotify but sadly there aren't any english subtitles that I know of, however @milgrammer in tumblr might do a translation!

  • @user-en1gi1wb3w
    @user-en1gi1wb3w Жыл бұрын

    二審みて見方変わった。 元々ムウちゃんは自分が一番の自己中女王気質で、ムウちゃんをチヤホヤしないクールな子がいて『どうしてこの子チヤホヤしないの?ムウ可愛いでしょ?褒めてよ好きって言ってあげてるでしょ?だから私の事好きになってチヤホヤしてよ』で、最初はその子を(直接的じゃなくて裏で指示して?)いじめてたけど、周りに頼んだのか自作自演かでいじめられっ子を装っても、ただみて通り過ぎちゃったから 「いらない」 ってムウちゃんの中でなって殺したと……ほーん……(あくまで自己解釈) そこで「だって悪くないもん」ねぇ……

  • @miri9716

    @miri9716

    Жыл бұрын

    すっごいしっくりきた

  • @aaaaa8852
    @aaaaa8852 Жыл бұрын

    最初は黒髪の子に「今までいじめててごめんなさい助けて」的なこと泣きながら言ってるのかと思ってたけどムウちゃんの性格的に「何でこんな目に遭ってるのに助けてくれないの!?」って取り乱してるように見える、でも腕振り解かれてこんなに私がお願いしてるのに、、!何で私の言うこと聞かないの!?ってなって刺したんかな、、

  • @user-nv8vn9lb4q
    @user-nv8vn9lb4q3 жыл бұрын

    "ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ"は鳥肌

  • @_Saito_yuna
    @_Saito_yuna3 жыл бұрын

    結構長いけど考察です。 暇な人だけ読んでいただければ幸いです... まず黒板について。 最初の黒板には「犯罪者」や「少年院に行ってほしい」というような言葉や、ムウに対しての言葉ということが「1年A組グズノキムウちゃん♡」というものによりハッキリとしているけれど、 ムウが殺人を行ったのはその黒板が書かれたのよりも後のはず。 そこで、最後の黒板を見てみると、ムウとはまた少し違う髪型をした女の子のようなイラストが描かれていることや、明確にムウに対して、という書き込みが見当たらないことから、 それぞれの黒板の書かれた時制は逆の可能性が出てくる。 次に会話アプリの内容について。 『たまりば』というグループ名の通り、仲の良い4人組のグループだったのではないかと考察できる。 さらに、メンバーの1人(おそらく「あー」) が発言した内容、「今日ムウにもらったリップ良い❤」「最高❤💄❤」ということと、ムウの発言、「余り物だけどよかった?」ということから、ムウは日常的にその『たまりば』の3人に物をあげたりしていたのではないかと考えられる。 またさらに、参加メンバーは(4)となっているにも関わらず、ムウのメッセージに対する既読数も4となっていることから、過去にもう1人誰かメンバーが居たのではないかという考察になる。 次に『たまりば』のメンバーと写真について。 1:53 付近でムウを含めた4人が写っている写真があり、先程の会話アプリのアイコンと照らし合わせると、 ムウの左隣(我々から見ると右側)、黄色いパーカーを着ている女子生徒は『あー』さらにその隣が、『さゆ』だと見られる。 また、 1:08 や 3:16 で、ムウの同級生と見られる女子生徒が写っており、 1:08 で写っている2人の生徒のうち、向かって左側の女子生徒は、先程の4人の写真のうちの、1番向かって左側にいた子だと思われ、3:16 に出てくる女子生徒は左側が『あー』で右側が 1:08 に出てくる女子生徒だと思われる。 これらのことから、『たまりば』のメンバーたちがムウのことをいじめていたのではないか、という結論に至る。 次に、油時計について。 コンパスや定規、はさみなど、凶器をになり得るものがたくさん浮かんだ油時計の油が段々とムウに降り注いでいく描写。 パソコン版でサムネイルを見ると、下の方に雑巾が写っているのが見えたため、これはおそらく、バケツ等の水と関連付けられているのではないか。 ムウがいじめの被害に合う度に、少しずつ油は降り注いでおり、油が全て下に落ちた時に犯行を実行したことから、油時計の油はムウの我慢の限界を刺していたと考えられる。 最後に、トイレのシーンから登場する女の子について。 目元まではっきりと描かれていることから、彼女はムウにとって他とは違う、大切な存在だったのではないか。 トイレに寝そべっているムウを見た後、通り過ぎていく彼女に対し、ムウは目を見開き、追いかけて行く。 その部分の歌詞に、「“ あなた ” が好きよ」という歌詞があり、丁度その歌詞のとき、ムウは彼女の背中を捉えた。 最後の黒板の話のところで書いたが、おそらく書かれている似顔絵はこの彼女の事だと思われる。 そのため、彼女が虐められていることを知ったムウが、庇ったことでいじめの標的が彼女からムウに移ったと考えることができる。 (最初の方の歌詞、『貧乏くじを引いたの』から、自分からいじめの標的になったのではないかということが有力だと考えられる。) しかし、最後の外での場面、ムウは捕まえた彼女に向かってなにかを訴えているような描写があり、彼女がムウの手を振り払った後、ムウは凶器を彼女の胸に突き刺す。 おそらく、拒絶や、罵倒といった、負の言葉をかけられたことで、得意だった我慢、その糸が切れてしまったのではないかと考えられる。 これらのことから、ムウは学校でいじめにあっていた友人を庇ったことから、自分がいじめの標的になり、それを知っていた、見ていたにもかかわらず、見て見ぬふりをした彼女を刺したことによる殺人なのではないかと考えられます。 ここまで長文で拙い文章を読んでいただきありがとうございました🙇‍♀️ あくまでも、これは私個人の考えのため、皆様の考察のちょっとした材料になれば、と思っています。 追記↓ みなさまの考察があれば、コメ欄に残していってもらえると嬉しいです😂

  • @user-togeyama

    @user-togeyama

    3 жыл бұрын

    考察が私の解説にぴったり過ぎてめっちゃ 驚きました!一つだけ、ここには書かれて ない私の考察をいうと、最初の黒板で、 「少年院に行ってほしい」 「犯罪者」 「親の七光りちゃん」 「ムウわるくないもん←は?」 と、書かれているので、ムウちゃんは あの女の子を殺したけど、親の力とか 何かで逮捕はされなかったのかなって 思いました。さらに、歌詞中では 「私がいなくなれば消えればよかったの」 と言っているのに、ミルグラムでは 「なんで私がこんな檻に入れられなきゃいけないの…ひどいよ」 と言っていること、そしてプライドが高い という情報から、なんだかんだいって自分 は悪くないと思っている。または、自分に そう言い聞かせて、なんとか友達を殺した 罪悪感を消そうとしているのかなと思い ました。長文失礼しました!

  • @_Saito_yuna

    @_Saito_yuna

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-togeyama わざわざ長文での考察と、返信ありがとうございます☺️ 確かに公式設定と絡めて見てみると、そういう考察ができますね... まだまだ甘かったです... ありがとうございます! お互いミルグラム楽しみましょ!

  • @tamagokakegohanlinnea

    @tamagokakegohanlinnea

    3 жыл бұрын

    細かいことですみません。 1:09ではなく、1:08です。

  • @_Saito_yuna

    @_Saito_yuna

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tamagokakegohanlinnea わざわざ詳しい訂正ありがとうございます😂😂 修正しておきました!!!

  • @user-qp4cv1kh5b
    @user-qp4cv1kh5b3 ай бұрын

    これムウちゃん心中しようとしてたんじゃない? 「痛みの中で会いましょう、私だけの居場所」 「心隠す死化粧、解き方は内緒」 「悪魔の声による刺傷、返す刃は遺書」 「貴方が好きよ」 殺すつもりならおかしい文な気がする。 2審ではべつにカースト最上位ではなさそうだったから(自分で思ってるだけ)、時系列的には れいちゃんいじめる→反応薄くてつまらない→ムウちゃんいじめる→ムウちゃんがレイちゃんに執着し始める→言うこと聞いてくれないなら一緒に死の!→レイちゃん殺したけどムウ怖くて死ねない…→わ、わるくないもん!! だと予想

  • @user-nu8zr4yn9o

    @user-nu8zr4yn9o

    3 ай бұрын

    心中説!?初めて聞きました!その考察とってもおもしろいです!

  • @user-yt5bn5vh7n
    @user-yt5bn5vh7n Жыл бұрын

    「あなたが好きよ」が分からなかったけど、第ニ審の「あなたが赦したいと願うんだもん」と重ねるなら視聴者への媚びかな……

  • @user-ro6vm9vz4b
    @user-ro6vm9vz4b3 жыл бұрын

    考察でもなんでもないけど、最後の黒板で「いつも楽しませてくれてありがとう!お花をプレゼントしておいたよ」ってあって、ムウちゃんお花持ってるから殺された子が虐められていた時実は楽しんでた…? それで自分の番になってから後悔してごめんなさいって言ってるのかな?

  • @user-po9rk1qy5n

    @user-po9rk1qy5n

    3 жыл бұрын

    その説ありますね……。。 ムウ自身がいじめに加担していたと考えると安易に赦すという選択はできないかも…………

  • @user-ro6vm9vz4b

    @user-ro6vm9vz4b

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-po9rk1qy5n そうなんですよね、もし元いじめてた方なら赦せない方になりますよね… コロされた子との関係性が今回の赦す赦さないのキーポイントになりそうなのでとても気になります🤔

  • @user-jl6sv6fw4c

    @user-jl6sv6fw4c

    3 жыл бұрын

    確かに・・・ あなたのコメントを拝見して思ったのですが、その黒板にある「いつも楽しませてくれてありがとう!お花をプレゼントしておいたよ」の文字、サビの最初に表示される文字と似てませんかね・・・もしかしたらその黒板の文字を書いたのがムウちゃんであることを示しているかもしれないと思いました!

  • @user-md5sk4wi4c

    @user-md5sk4wi4c

    3 жыл бұрын

    その黒板の前にいる時のムウちゃん、よく見るとちょっと笑顔なんですよね…怖い

  • @2E_34ZhangYinuoIno
    @2E_34ZhangYinuoIno6 ай бұрын

    Muu’s song is the only one in the first trial that shows the victim clearly with facial expressions.

  • @justdemi2585

    @justdemi2585

    5 ай бұрын

    This may not be accurate since I didn't finish watching first trial MVs, but maybe it's bc Mu's the only one who knew her victim personally? Not 100% sure tho

  • @braindamage523

    @braindamage523

    5 ай бұрын

    @@justdemi2585mahiru’s victim was her boyfriend

  • @2E_34ZhangYinuoIno

    @2E_34ZhangYinuoIno

    4 ай бұрын

    Kazui knew his wife too. And Amane knew her mum/dad.

  • @justdemi2585

    @justdemi2585

    4 ай бұрын

    @@2E_34ZhangYinuoIno Yeah I just now realised that lmao, like I said, I only started watching T1 MVs so I made this dumb theory

  • @rhymeswith9032
    @rhymeswith9032 Жыл бұрын

    Coming back here after the most recent song is so jarring

  • @backdraftcel
    @backdraftcel Жыл бұрын

    i cant be the only one who thinks the instrumental at the beginning sounds like the clacking of scissors and like a box cutter scratched against something?

  • @xoxolovez

    @xoxolovez

    Жыл бұрын

    HOLLYY COW I NEVER REALIZED THAT

  • @backdraftcel

    @backdraftcel

    Жыл бұрын

    @@xoxolovez it's certainly a bit subtle but its really cool if the composer did that intentionally!

  • @user-em4zd6zi1l
    @user-em4zd6zi1l3 жыл бұрын

    ムウちゃん可愛すぎかな

  • @Toanya_0227
    @Toanya_0227 Жыл бұрын

    あー、第2審どうしよう… ムゥちゃん調子に乗ってからの落差絶対エグそうだもんなぁ…

  • @kk-bi4pq
    @kk-bi4pq2 жыл бұрын

    イジメはあかんけど、こういうキャラって自分で敵作って、自分のことは棚上げでされた事だけフォーカスするタイプよな。現実でもこういうのおるからめっちゃリアル

  • @__9744
    @__97443 жыл бұрын

    囚人楽曲で、ハッキリと殺人のシーンが描かれているのはこのMVくらいだよね。遥くんもそれっぽい描写はあったけど…… ムウちゃんの曲は『私は悪くないよね?』って訴えかけてるようにしか見えない… 投票、赦す派が勝ちましたね。 私は赦さないに入れたのですが…第二審どうなるか楽しみです。

  • @user-ok9pm4tm7g
    @user-ok9pm4tm7g3 жыл бұрын

    これ、思い過ごしなら一番いいんだけど 昔はいじめの加害者側だった可能性無い? だからごめんなさいは「届かない」可能性無い? 自分がした過去の所業を思い知って自分の罪の意識に折り合いが付かないから「無かったこと」にしちゃってない?

  • @nemu334
    @nemu3343 жыл бұрын

    [MILGRAM] Muu Prisoner 004 - After Pain (Romaji Lyrics) NOTE: As always please tell me if there’s any typos, errors, and mistakes in the lyrics 💕 Watashi ga inaku nareba kiereba yokatta no Mō kii chatta shitchatta Kon’nani mo watashi wa iwanai Tokubetsu imi wanai no hazutera o hiita no Mō kii chatta shitchatta Don'nani mo watashi wa iwanai Nē nande itai itai itai itai no yamete kurenai no? Kawai chatte dōshitara Gomen no mahō wa kitto kiki aki chatta nda ne Demo tabun watashi mo warui tokoro waarukara sa Kore de kitto ī no kamo “Iki teru” o kanjitai yo iki shite mo ī no ka na Oshiete 「Gomen'nasai」wa todokanai yo Itsuka todoku ka na 「Gomen'nasai」wa todokanai yo Itsuka todoku ka na 「Gomen'nasai」wa todokanai yo Itsuka todoku ka na 「Gomen'nasai」wa todokanai yo Ashita ni ikitaku wanai kinō wa wasuretai Watashi wa totemo tsutakatta no tasukete dareka Nē moshimo watashinokoto o warumono ni surunara Mushi shitatte īkara ne Gaman'nara mō narekko mata ajiwatte kudake Sorenanoni keshita hazunanoni yume ni mi chau no yo Watashi mō dame kamo ne Sayonara no mae ni dōka mōichido Nan chatte wasurete Itami no naka de aimashō watashidake no ibasho Kokoro kakusu shi keshō tokikata wa naisho Akuma no koe ni yoru shishō kaesu ha wa isho 「“Anata” ga suki yo」 2 Itami no naka de aimashō watashidake no ibasho Kokoro kakusu shi keshō tokikata wa naisho Akuma no koe ni yoru shishō kaesu ha wa isho 「“Anata” ga suki yo」 Nē nande itai itai itai itai no yamete kurenai no? Kawai chatte dōshitara Gomen no mahō wa kitto kiki aki chatta nda ne Demo tabun watashi mo warui tokoro waarukara sa Kore de kitto ī no kamo “Iki teru” o kanjitai yo iki shite mo ī no ka na Oshiete 「Gomen'nasai」wa todokanai yo Itsuka todoku ka na 「Gomen'nasai」wa todokanai yo Itsuka todoku ka na 「Gomen'nasai」wa todokanai yo Itsuka todoku ka na 「Gomen'nasai」wa todokanai yo 2 「Gomen'nasai」ga kikoenai yo? Itsuka kikoeru ka na 「Gomen'nasai」ga kikoenai yo? Itsuka kikoeru ka na 「Gomen'nasai」ga kikoenai yo? Itsuka kikoeru ka na 「Gomen'nasai」ga kikoenai yo? Watashi ga inaku nareba kiereba yokatta no Mō kii chatta shitchatta Kon'nanimo watashi wa iranai

  • @IzZy-X

    @IzZy-X

    3 жыл бұрын

    Finally, someone came up with romaji lyrics not just theory in comment section. Thanks dude really searching for this

  • @aniinnnn

    @aniinnnn

    3 жыл бұрын

    thank you for this

  • @naylaluthfani5603

    @naylaluthfani5603

    3 жыл бұрын

    Up

  • @fajrienemy2636

    @fajrienemy2636

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank youuu >

  • @minareaark5090

    @minareaark5090

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think this part should've been: Nē nande 'ita ita itai' no yamete kurenai no? Instead of 'itai itai itai itai' And also this part: Akuma no koe ni yoru shishō kaisu ha wa 'aisho', instead of 'isho'

  • @eunac3037
    @eunac3037 Жыл бұрын

    Mu seems like the kind of character to apologize not out of guilt or sorrow, but to demand forgiveness/be forgiven. As shown in the lyrics ["I'm sorry" won't reach anyone.], she's expecting forgiveness by saying "I'm sorry" which makes sense if you consider her possibly being spoiled. It's also worth noting that she feels no guilt for the crime she's committed. (because she's not actually sorry, she just expects pardon due to her circumstances)

  • @eunac3037

    @eunac3037

    Жыл бұрын

    she seems to come from a well-established family, where that be mid class or higher. Meaning, she likely got many things handed to her on a silver platter or was born with a silver spoon. These things in consideration, she likely had to say a simple "I'm sorry" for pardon or forgiveness. This teaches her not to apologize out of guilt, but to apologize to get out of something.

  • @eunac3037

    @eunac3037

    Жыл бұрын

    "My sorry spells must be wearing off" interesting how she referred to apologizing as a spell, as if it would take her pain away like magic or take her out of the situation. Similar to 'kissing the pain away' kind of themes. Like a spell, she expects it to work. She expects pardon or forgiveness for saying "I'm sorry".

  • @eunac3037

    @eunac3037

    Жыл бұрын

    That's just my thoughts on it, though.

  • @kiwi8161

    @kiwi8161

    Жыл бұрын

    Seeing the song trailer, it appears you were right :O Nice job

  • @EvilEnsembleStars

    @EvilEnsembleStars

    Жыл бұрын

    Enstarrie

  • @vibealong1191
    @vibealong1191 Жыл бұрын

    After I viewed "It's not my fault" I don't think I can look at After Pain the same anymore yall-

  • @Ruirjdkd77

    @Ruirjdkd77

    Жыл бұрын

    Me too.....

  • @Finally_in_reverse

    @Finally_in_reverse

    3 ай бұрын

    Tbh, there were hints that Muu wasn't an innocent angel in After Pain too (keep in mind, this is how the prisoners view themself, and Muu kept victimizing herself in AP)

  • @tatsuhi__
    @tatsuhi__3 жыл бұрын

    曲調明るめで可愛い感じなのにMVが不穏すぎるし、歌詞も辛すぎて暗い曲調にするより余計怖さ倍増だった...辛すぎるでしょ......

  • @kurage_pukapuka
    @kurage_pukapuka3 жыл бұрын

    初め曲だけ聴いてたらムウ滅茶苦茶大変な環境だったんだし仕方ないよね…ってなってたんですけどコメ欄見てた時に色んな考察があってミルグラムは本当に面白いなぁと思ってみてます。何ヶ月か後に来たらまた別の考察が生まれてるのかなぁ

  • @iluVioletLink
    @iluVioletLink3 жыл бұрын

    apparently KZread decided that out of all the milgram prisoner songs so far this one is worthy of being promoted by the algorithm (it has the most views out of the other prisoner songs so far, excluding undercover)

  • @matariimau

    @matariimau

    3 жыл бұрын

    i actually got an ad for this mv, it’s how i even found out about milgram!

  • @iluVioletLink

    @iluVioletLink

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@matariimau an ad... that's very interesting. welcome to the fandom and have fun reading/making theories :D

  • @matariimau

    @matariimau

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@iluVioletLink thank you for the warm welcome! having a fun time so far :-)

  • @unitymask

    @unitymask

    2 жыл бұрын

    can confirm, it showed up in my home section even before i knew what milgram was

  • @doflamingostan

    @doflamingostan

    2 жыл бұрын

    month later and its still here

  • @user-wg8rp4be3y
    @user-wg8rp4be3y3 жыл бұрын

    上手く言えないけれど今までの曲に較べて「違和感」がすごい……いろんな違和感が……!!! 重い歌詞やMVの内容の割に曲調が明るくて軽かったりとか…… 少なくともムウちゃん、「いい子」じゃない気がする

  • @Mii00A6FE_x
    @Mii00A6FE_x3 жыл бұрын

    こんな風にいじめられてるわけじゃないけど、歌詞とMVが今までの曲よりかなりシンプルで共感しやすい…気持ちがわかるぶん赦したい気持ちもあるけどわかるからこそ赦したくない気持ちもある……

  • @pioamorous
    @pioamorous11 ай бұрын

    2:20 "i love YOU" wow okay, lebanons 🤨

  • @YaganFamski

    @YaganFamski

    Ай бұрын

    2:47 "I want to feel "alive"" Okay palestines 😮

  • @user-kl2cj7ry5h
    @user-kl2cj7ry5h3 күн бұрын

    よく見たら自撮りの中にレイちゃんいなかった、、どんどん進むにつれて最初に戻って確認したくなるくらい細かい演出がたまらなすぎる

  • @Shojaxel
    @Shojaxel Жыл бұрын

    Mu fans how we feelin after the new MV dropped

  • @nyoooom

    @nyoooom

    Жыл бұрын

    still slaying

  • @fireworksforme2

    @fireworksforme2

    Жыл бұрын

    Bad….

  • @nhinguyenkhanh2666

    @nhinguyenkhanh2666

    Жыл бұрын

    she's innocent trust me I am her knife😍

  • @ilikelapislazuli

    @ilikelapislazuli

    Жыл бұрын

    Um..😭😭

  • @vibealong1191

    @vibealong1191

    Жыл бұрын

    Flabbergasted 😟😧

  • @blazeyy4240
    @blazeyy42403 жыл бұрын

    I'm not so sure about this, but a person's pupils grow bigger if they see someone they like. (2:08) Adding the "I love YOUs" that Muu said, I think she did love the girl romantically in some way. If this is true then that's a pretty nice touch for her character though kinda tragic.

  • @aulloa2079

    @aulloa2079

    3 жыл бұрын

    She is kinda gay

  • @kaedesakura9274

    @kaedesakura9274

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@aulloa2079 no this is REALLY tragic and just regular gay

  • @CanIswearinmyhandle

    @CanIswearinmyhandle

    3 жыл бұрын

    the text on the blackboard in the beginning that says "少年院に行ってほしい" translates to "I wish she'd go to a boys school" so yeah, she's probably gay and her friends were homophobes who freaked out about it

  • @ashewantsyourheart3581

    @ashewantsyourheart3581

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@CanIswearinmyhandle that is most likely why she got bullied it’s very common in japan too

  • @musettand

    @musettand

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@CanIswearinmyhandle 少年院 means a reformatory tho. But it’d still make some sense in that context I guess.

  • @athenafaithaugusto9150
    @athenafaithaugusto91503 жыл бұрын

    But ....Why aren't more people knowing about MILGRAM? It's one of the best things that happened for me in 2020

  • @IzZy-X

    @IzZy-X

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ikr!!

  • @thearmyofiron

    @thearmyofiron

    3 жыл бұрын

    it doesn't appear in recommendation, so lol. Only know cus someone else's know, although I'm only here for the song

  • @frandylee8869

    @frandylee8869

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@thearmyofiron well I got the recommendation, damn I love this theoric comments

  • @Livelovelaughyuna

    @Livelovelaughyuna

    2 жыл бұрын

    KZread just recommend miligram to me when Mikoto’s mv released 😃

  • @jvxiv7318

    @jvxiv7318

    2 жыл бұрын

    I only found out Milgram after finding a song(Undercover) remixed in a game(D4DJ) when looking up the lyrics for it.

  • @user-jz5vf3sj4f
    @user-jz5vf3sj4f3 жыл бұрын

    最後の黒板の文字が「貧乏くさい」ってムウの情報と一致しない、最初の黒板の文字ともズレるとなると被害者ってのも怪しいな...

  • @shisham5776

    @shisham5776

    3 жыл бұрын

    最後の黒板の文字は途中で出てきた外ハネの髪の子へのいじめの文字だと思います。 ムウちゃんがいじめられているシーンのみこのMVには出されていますけど、実際ムウちゃんはあの子をいじめてた側だと…………そこから矛先がムウちゃんに変わってその子と疎遠な関係になったって感じですかね。 通りすがったあの子に助けを求め、振り解かれた。ムウちゃんは自分がしたことは悪くないと思っています。=その子からしてもムウちゃんを許したくないのかも? 友達という関係なのであれば話しは別ですけれど、その子がハッキリ描かれていることからしてムウちゃんに関わりがあるのは確かですよね…………

  • @user-wj1mi6ue3y
    @user-wj1mi6ue3y2 жыл бұрын

    「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ」相手にごめんなさいと言えとでも言っているような、何故謝ってくれないのか、まるで自分は悪くない、あなた達が悪いのだから謝ってよ、って言っているような気がしました。 「でもたぶん私も悪いとこがあるからさ」たぶん、と言うところから自分の悪いところに気がついていない。 やっぱり、他の考察が凄すぎる、色々な人の考察読んだり歌詞からなんとなく思っただけだけど、ムウちゃんは赦すべきではない。

  • @user-fk8nd2cs9p
    @user-fk8nd2cs9p3 жыл бұрын

    黒板に描いてある内容を考えると、MV中の出来事が起こった順番は逆な感じもするなあ… そんなことないかあ あとlineのグループ4人なのに既読が4付いてるってことは、もうひとりいたのか? 追記:他の方のコメントを見ていると、最後の黒板の文字は殺された娘にあてたものっぽいですね。 ということは、机の上においてある花は死を悼むものではなく、いじめられている人をまるで死んだかのように扱うやつかな?(語彙力)

  • @user-yn1em4ii2v

    @user-yn1em4ii2v

    3 жыл бұрын

    同じような考察してるのでコメント残します🥺LINEグループの既読4なのは自分も引っかかりました。元々5人グループだったとしたら殺された女の子が入っていたのかも?(推測)もし黒板の内容が逆と考えて油時計の映像とは矛盾が生じますが元々殺された女の子がいじめられていてムウちゃんもそれに加担していたけどその人のことが好きだった。 その事に対して謝っても許して貰えなかったので殺した? ごめんの言葉も聞き飽きたんだね。 って歌詞もあるので。 そこからいじめの標的がムウちゃんにシフトしたってわけわかめな考察してます。 今回の考察が1番難しいですね🥺 少しでも参考になれば🥺 歌詞誰か書いてくれればもうちょい楽になりそう

  • @user-tq9yh7xx1u

    @user-tq9yh7xx1u

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-yn1em4ii2v 歌詞なら概要欄に

  • @shubusgudagudaliveroom9292

    @shubusgudagudaliveroom9292

    3 жыл бұрын

    時系列逆説はカレンダーをよくみてみると、最後の教室は桜で、最初の教室はアジサイらしきものが描いてあるのであり得ると思いますよ。(PV中みんなニットとかを着ているので衣替え前で、夏服を挟んでいない、みたいな)

  • @user-yn1em4ii2v

    @user-yn1em4ii2v

    3 жыл бұрын

    @よぴよ ありがとうございます! 別のところに考察おけたので助かりました!

  • @basicallytrqsh
    @basicallytrqsh9 ай бұрын

    Everyone is talking about how Mu is such a terrible person because of her second trial and how it was uncovered that she was a manipulative pos, but doesn’t this MV kind of disprove that? We know these MVs represent how the inmates genuinely perceive themselves because of Mahiru’s MVs and interviews, and we saw her extremely distraught by the bullying she experienced and her murder, so isn’t it possible she actually is regretful and less calculative than she portrays herself as? We know that one of Milgram’s ultimate goals with all of this is to make us rethink and reconsider how we view murder and other heinous deeds by giving us not only multiple controversial stories with similar outcomes but also the power to decide whether we think they deserve forgiveness for their actions or not, and leaving Mu off with a terrible portrait of her self image is just a not good way to go about that. It’s more than possible for the third trial to reveal Mu doesn’t view herself as a monster (excessive, but fitting) or a victim exclusively but rather both at the same time. I think we should change our outlook on Mu from just one trial to all of the trials as a big picture, because once we do that it becomes clear she recognizes what she’s doing is wrong, but for some reason she feels she deserves the consequences or that she feels she is without any other course of action but to lie through her already difficult life. Probably just projecting, though

  • @noranekonyaa5801

    @noranekonyaa5801

    8 ай бұрын

    My girl got one dose of innocence and just goes full on "Yeah Not my Fault", definitely needs to grow more lul, just goes to show how easily influenced people can be

  • @user-vg5ct6gz6c
    @user-vg5ct6gz6c2 жыл бұрын

    2:08 ここからが狂おしいほどに好き

  • @user-wg5cm2dl8h
    @user-wg5cm2dl8h2 жыл бұрын

    刺殺前の( 2:15 )にちょうど砂が半分に別れた砂時計が落ちているので、ここが時系列の中心地点ということですね。 砂時計の中でムウに降りかかる自殺の縄やカッターは、以前にムウ自身が人に向けていた物(いじめ)が自身に返ってきたという意味もあると思います。

  • @user-yousiki00
    @user-yousiki003 жыл бұрын

    一番最後の黒板に貧乏と書いてあるのと殺された子が制鞄持ってないのとで、最後の黒板の文字は殺された子に向けられたものなのか?似顔絵の髪型も殺された子に似ている。 元々いじめられていたのは殺された子で、でもムウちゃんはそれを見てみぬフリしていて、だからムウちゃんがいじめられた時殺された子は手を振り払った…? おそらく「ごめんなさい」は、「見てみぬふりしてごめんなさい」なんだろうな

  • @user-yousiki00

    @user-yousiki00

    3 жыл бұрын

    この考察があってるなら、僕はムウちゃんを赦すことは出来ないな… 殺された子が不憫すぎるだろ…

  • @user-yousiki00

    @user-yousiki00

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tryrype479 なるほどそういった解釈もありますね!!ご意見ありがとうございます

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