Do you even lift ✖️ Do you even lower ✅

@LeeJoRo

2 ай бұрын

Holy shit. That's good. I'm stealing that

@TVCarsxn

2 ай бұрын

😂😂

@speranza9415

2 ай бұрын

Do you even hold it in the contracted position? 🗿

Mike could tell me I am drinking water incorrectly, and I would listen to him. That is how much I trust his wisdom.

@undeniableluck3260

2 ай бұрын

But I am not understanding why he believes concentrics lead to the greatest inroad into recovery when eccentrics tear the most muscle fibres? We get a lot of carbs from our diets these days so energy loss from concentrics is not a concern is it?

@ivanriverajr5012

2 ай бұрын

​@undeniableluck3260 do you even lift bro. Cause your sentences are concise, I just hope the details are just as prominent as your training. Just saying.

@User107D

2 ай бұрын

sorry to say that but your statement makes you to look like a fool, Mike said that you need to develop your own independent thinking based on logic and your own experience

@phytopanacea

2 ай бұрын

@@undeniableluck3260 that's exactly the point. you want to cause the most stress for the least amount of time so you have the most gains with as minimal damage as possible

@AS-gz8oe

Ай бұрын

Negatives allow for the greatest amount of weight to be held under load for the longest time

Mike causes you to think about and even want to approach body building in a non-conformist way. He's really getting you to come out of that matrix or hive--mind mentality, and it works!

@mishoivanov2325

2 ай бұрын

That is exactly why i started training this way❤

@roberte289

2 ай бұрын

Focusing on the eccentric and the lengthened portion of the lift is probably the best for growth. The rationale for isometrics in the fully contracted position makes sense but i dont think it seems to be best in practice. Most people probably do still just concentrate on the concentric but this advice isnt really in opposition to the concensus today.

@billybob33366

2 ай бұрын

​@@roberte289 while Mike's approach may not work for everyone as he states himself, it's worth giving his teachings a shot and see what happens. Seeing is believing and I think many body builders have since discovered Mike and appreciate his approach to the science!

@user-mi4wd8rg9t

2 ай бұрын

Ive been having pretty good results with his methods

I’m 51 years old and I have finally found a program that works without steroids.

Negatives were what got me to being able to do pull-ups. They were unbelievably effective.

I get so much of my training inspiration from this man. Great words of wisdom

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

2 ай бұрын

Glad to hear it 👍

@Mrcounterusa

Ай бұрын

@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGEdoes this technique work for standing curl?

He was way before his time !! Genius pure genius 🤯

John Little,Thank you very much for everything! We're with you! ❤

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

2 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏

Think about how mad he made people. Its not whether his methods work, its the fact he he was an individual critical thinker.

Mike has always been my favorite bodybuilder. It was his photo on the cover of "Muscle" that first attracted me to weight training. I was in 6th grade then. I'm a few months from 60 now. A lot of people talk poorly of Mike. They say the 1980 Mr Olympia destroyed him. Well, I never made it to the IFBB pro ranks, but I think I know how he must've felt. You see, when I was 19, I had my eye on the teenage Mr America title. I trained hard, competed in all of the required contests, and earned my invitation to the teenage Mr America contest. But a few months before the contest I received a letter from the promoter informing me that the contest date had been changed. The new date was a week after I turned 20. So I was disqualified from even competing. That's been the story of my life ever since. No matter how hard I work, nothing ever goes right. Every plan I ever had for my life has gone terribly wrong. And even though I still train, for the life of me I don't know why? I look around and one by one all of my heroes are dying off. Mike is gone. So is Ray. Casey is gone. Ed. Franco. Jusup. Gunnar disappeared. Not sure if he's dead or just living a hidden life? Too many to name, really. I find myself falling into a nihilistic depression. Nothing matters. Everything is for naught. Even philosophy hasn't helped much. Mike suggested we study philosophy. And I've tried. Epicureanism resonated with me. I tried reading Ayn Rand (Mike's favorite), but couldn't really wrap my head around her ideas. But yeah, it gets harder and harder for me to get out of bed in the morning. It gets harder and harder for me to stay motivated. Some days I get a good workout, a good pump, but most days it feels I'm just going through the motions. Pointlessness grips me. Nothing seems to matter. But I try to push through it. Why? I don't know? I'm not even sure why I'm posting this? But yeah, I think I know how Mike felt in 1980. I feel it too. Jaded by life.

@dijaww

2 ай бұрын

As long as you train for yourself that's what matters. I'm half your age and I hope I can keep training into my 60's like you are, keep it up 👍🏽

@Poemsguitar

2 ай бұрын

@@dijaww Thank you, my friend.

@shawnm4189

2 ай бұрын

Your post reminds me of part of a speech Rocky gave to his son in Rocky Balboa: "Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place and I don’t care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard ya hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done!" Everyone can get a bit jaded at times when life does not go as they planned, I know I have been at times in the past. But sometimes moving forward in life means changing ones path because of circumstances. I am at 51 nowhere near where I thought I would be as a teenager at this point in my journey. Life has had its detours but I like to think it has made me a better person overall than if I had traveled the path I had planned to take decades ago. Trust the process even if you do not understand yet the whys. And keep up the heavy duty training 👍

@Poemsguitar

2 ай бұрын

@@shawnm4189 Thanks Shawn. I haven't seen that film. I only watched the first two. But yeah, none of us are going to get out of this alive. Watching all of my old heroes die off is harder than the bumps and bruises I've taken myself.

@wintertime331

2 ай бұрын

Hey Mark , I’m 61 been training since 1978 , Mike was my hero back then and is still to this day ! If you think you too old and done then you will be ,,,, or you can push ahead and be the best you can still be ! I’m using Mikes methods and still bringing it ! Benching 225 for ten reps , working my way back to 315 ! Don’t look to your hero’s of yesteryears! YOU be the hero in the here and now ! The inspiration for everyone around you ! You didn’t get this far by accident ! So keep bringing it ! 👍👍

Listening to Mike’s approach to Dips, when you can’t even do one dip, has now progressed (so far ) to me doing 3 sets of 7 after 3 months. Without his guidance and simplistic instructions I’d have left them in the “too hard” bin. Basically it is what he’s talking about here. Start by lowering yourself slowly into the lower position. Once you can, fully controlled, lower yourself 5 times in a row you’ll probably be strong enough to start lowering and then lifting yourself. Thank you, Mike. RIP.

Works brilliant especially with the chest.

I have arms on deck today. I'll be doing this protocol.

As I listen to this dissertation from Mike, he's right. Since the beginning of human history, people "held" heavy objects in negative portions.

Im still a begginer in HIT but I started applying the static hold after going to positive failure on a workout, I got the idea first from Dorian Yates on a YT video I saw from him 😅. Results are slightly better, Ill continue to do it and monitor the results.

I’ve always known the power of and done the negatives/holds. My high school football strength and conditioning coach was old school and taught us that. But it never dawned on me to eliminate the positive altogether. I’m going to try this method starting next week.

@richbrake9910

2 ай бұрын

It never dawned on me either, even though I've used negatives and static holds for years. Mentzer said thet strength gained from static holds transfers to the positive, even when not doing the positive part of the movement.

Negative weighted chin ups and dips got me great results

" Phenomenal" is damn right. I'd casually always done that at home with light weights out of common sense as I didn't want to spend more money on heavier weights. I knew it worked out of experience, but when I heard Mike and tried it with much heavier weights the results were indeed phenomenal!

New level of training. Thank you for this John 💪🏼

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

2 ай бұрын

No worries! Thanks for your post.

John Little, Mike Mentzer, Joanne Sharkey, Ray Mentzer, Dorian Yates, Casey Viator, and of course, the Grand Father, Arthur Jones, are all geniuses....

Simply mind blown. Simple critical thinking changed my entire outlook and understanding of body building.

I use to work in a factory where all we did was carry heavy trays of bread and push stacks of bread. Both pushing and carrying being static positions. I was always complimented on my physique.

😮😮 WOW I DID TGIS 2 WEEKS AGO FOR MY HAMSTRINGS CONTRACTING AND LOWERING SLOWLY AND I WAS SORED FOR 3 DAYS 🤕🤕 he was 10000% right

GENIUS! 💡

mike sir are phenomenal

ThankQ

38 M and active. Started MM training after reading his book 4.5 months ago. Never seen these kind of results with no protein and importantly, no massive drop off if I missed a few days due to work. I can do this type of workout well into my 50’s

@Percules15

2 ай бұрын

You don’t eat protein?

@cmatt1529

2 ай бұрын

@@Percules15 no supplement protein/creatine or anything. Just not my jam.

Totally amazing God bless Mike!!

Well said; a very good, enlightening lecture, and demonstration; especially for those that are not aware of the High Intensity way of Training! Easily a thumbs up. I'm glad, and fortunate I watched this HIT method on KZread; because I have forgotten half the method for its approach. I have read, and for a very short time, followed this X rep training in the late 1990s from an article on Iron Man magazine. I'm very glad I found it here; and thank you for posting this method that follows Mike Mentzer's method of training, high intensity, and low volume. A method of training from the experiments, discoveries, and testing that was done by Arthur Jones. It was Arthur Jones who invented, and developed the Nautilus exercise machines from the later 1970s to 1980s. Arthur Jones was a productive genius who has contributed a large amount to the science, and benefits of physical exercise. Then Mike Mentzer followed, and has added important, and valuable training advice, too. Also of significance, Mentzer has explained logical methods that are clear, and give real results.🏋‍♂

Brilliant

Amazing. Why do people in the bodybuilding community seek ti discredit Mike Mentzer?

@richbrake9910

2 ай бұрын

First, Mentzer's routines and analysis are completely different than what most people do, including professional body builders. People want to do what they see in the mainstream. It's similar to clothing styles. If most people are wearing straight leg jeans, very few are going to want to wear bell bottoms or flares. Another thing is most trainers want to keep people in the gym for long periods of time because they think it justifies the $50 an hour they charge. Trainers do not want people switching over to Mentzer style workouts because it may threaten their business. I've also noticed some people resent me spending a third of the time in the gym as they do, while still being able to build like they do. This really gets to them..

@Ephesians64blogspot

2 ай бұрын

​@@richbrake9910 100% correct

It is interesting that this video posted when it did because I had just revamped my May workout schedule the day prior to incorporate this kind of training in preparation for summer training. After my next leg workout (April 23rd), I have had a two week layoff planned. With my summer workout protocol scheduled to start June 4th, I did not really know what I was going to do for May. I decided on a whim a few nights back to incorporate the following workouts in alternate fashion once a week throughout May until I begin my summer schedule. Workout #1: Chest/Triceps/Ant. Delt: • Incline Machine Press - 1×1-4 (negatives only, trained unilaterally) • Tricep Pushdowns With V Bar - 1×6-10+2 negatives Back/Biceps/Forearms/Pos. Delt: • Close Grip Palms Up Pulldowns - 1×1-4 (negatives only) • Yates Rack Row - 1×1-4+2 negatives Work Sets: 4 Workout #2: Legs: • Leg Extension - 1×1-2 (10-30 sec holds) Superset • Leg Press - 1×20-40 60 second rest, add at least 100 lbs • Toe Presses - 1×20-40 Work Sets: 3 My goal now for May is to work a bit on my lower body stamina and incorporate some negatives only training on my chest and back on some compound movements to vary the training stimulus a bit.

but this is also going to make you much stronger and lift heavier weight too. best of both worlds i think

I cycle in and out of three types of workouts: workouts where I prioritize positive failure, negative rep failure, and static hold failure. The static hold workouts seem to cause the least muscular soreness days later, because you are only holding the weights to failure in the fully contacted position....with only a single negative reps after static hold failure occurs. In the negatives workout, the weights or cables are assisted to the fully contracted position, and then I perform the negative unassisted. These types of workouts are hugely productive and intense.

Once you try this approach, you'll never go back to volume training unless you're somebody who's going to the gym to socialize... Which is fine if you've got the time for it, but I like to get in, work out, and get out

This is y I always go slow on the con centric and also slow on the ecentric with of course a slight pause at the top. Forgetta bout how heavy cause its all about putting on muscle. In time u will get stronger but remember, were not on steroids so therefore you'll b as strong as u will naturally and of course you will b stronger than the average person. More muscle means stronger however u achieve them and natural means your probably stronger than u look cause all that u c has been earned the hard way.

At 4:36 when he talks about the pull down, does someone know how many reps he recommends we should do.

lets say im about to do pulldowns, how many times should i repeat the static hold, negative part? i could ask sb at my gym for assistance with positive part

So Mike Mentzer rexommand doing just doing the static and the negatives motion, without doing the positive? Can this method grow muscles?

Just came to know about him, he is a genius! Where can I get Mike’s workout plan?

@TheScamr

7 күн бұрын

You can get his ideal routine here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/amlm1KmRdcSbp7Q.html This was before he added the static portion to all lifts. I follow the ideal routine but have only recently added Concentrics to my forms. Adding Concentrics just adds one set to my workouts per body part, its very manageable on a time perspective.

I'm a little confused. In another video on this channel I just finished listening to Mike warns against the overuse of negatives because of extended recovery times. Was this an earlier recommendation?

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

Ай бұрын

Mike recommended using negatives sparingly in one’s training. He was referring to using them after a set to failure (at the end of, say, a 6-10 rep set). With static training you do perhaps one (or two) reps and lower (the negative) also one or two times. So, it’s the negative portion of the rep performed once or twice versus 6-10 reps plus two or three negatives. As the volume is considerably less with static training, you don’t use up quite so much of your recovery resources so you should be able to use the technique a little more frequently. You’ll have to determine their effect and use by checking your progress chart.

I have been searching for this information for months. Is this everything about this topic on static holds and negatives?

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

2 ай бұрын

To my knowledge, this is the only audio of Mike speaking about this. He did write an article on it for Muscular Development magazine, and he also mentioned it in his book Heavy Duty II: Mind and Body.

@mahmadieh7011

2 ай бұрын

@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE How do abs fit into the ideal workout? Are they indirectly worked on? I've been doing it for a year since I found your channel. But the abs...not so much because it isn't discussed. Thanks.

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

2 ай бұрын

@@mahmadieh7011 I’ll be posting a comprehensive presentation of the “Ideal Routine” (including abs) on Sunday.

So if eliminating the positive movement which causes the deepest inroad in the recovery capability, and doing just the static and the negative movements, how much days should we rest between workouts?

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

2 ай бұрын

That’s what your training journal is for, if you are going up in weights then recovery and adaptation are taking place; if those numbers are not going up, then you need more recovery time. Everybody is different in this respect, so you have to go by your own numbers.

Yielding isometrics?

Very noice -

I wanna try that for abs

Which year did Mike Mentzer recorded this audio?

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

2 ай бұрын

1994 or 1995 I believe.

@sadikfillali8935

2 ай бұрын

@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE then there is a seminar of Mike Mentzer in 1996 where he was talking about the consolidation modified program. So I want to ask you, which program is more effective in building muscles, is it doing the static and negative movements? or doing the modified consolidation program lifting weights?

0:47 I disagree as in the positive part of a rep the max muscular forces are produced as forces are against the weight are are greater than weight so it is not least productive it is most . The isometric and negative are most ignored so focus on them give result . this does not mean that positive is useless (Correct me if I am wrong)

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

2 ай бұрын

The positive portion of the rep is productive, no question. However, I think what Mike was trying to say is that it is also the weakest of your three strength levels and so if you do not pay attention to the other two, you are only taxing 1/3 of your potential strength levels. You have to remember that this interview was done during a phone call and Mike was speaking extemporaneously. I think Mike simply misspoke.

I got no workout partner for this. ☹️

@NaturalBornWinner-

2 ай бұрын

You can cheat the weight up and then lower slowly on the negatives, it works great with barbell curls, you can do it with overhead press and chin ups too👍

How the hell does the positive portion of the rep cause the most inroad into recovery ability? The Negative portion makes the most inroad into recovery ability. Mike got that wrong, or miss spoke. How I see it is the more inroad, the more strength increases.. but also the more recovery you need.. and for a lot negatives are like getting a sun burn! It is to much inroad. Mike did say in the video with Markus, that positive failure was enough. So I do think he came to the conclusion that static and negatives can be to much for naturals. And only people on steroids or very advanced need static/ negative training

@jaminbaer2301

2 ай бұрын

Hey mate, I don't think he misspoke. I'm hearing that by removing the least productive parts of an exercise is a removal of wasted energy expenditure. Therefore the intensity increases and the duration of time/energy of the least productive portion decreases. This way you can achieve the same time under tension without the concentric portion. Will this create a need for more recovery? YES. If the goal is to spend more time lifting weights then Static Holds and negative lowering is counterproductive. If getting stronger and stimulating hypertrophy is the goal...well then, we have more time for other meaningful endeavours.

@Lonewolf__666

2 ай бұрын

@@jaminbaer2301 I agree removing the positive or concentric part of the lift is the least productive, beacuse it creates THE LEAST INROAD. Where static and negatives create the LARGEST inroad. Mike said concentrics created the MOST inroad, which is incorrect. But I think he meant to say were the least productive. And I also agree, static and negative training will require MORE recovery time. But should result is greater strength increases.

@Lonewolf__666

2 ай бұрын

Just listened again and Mike says positives make the deepest inroad into recovery. So if that was the case the static and negative portion would make the least inroad into recovery and so you could recover a lot faster doing static and negatives, and we know that is NOT the case. Even Mike said you have to be very careful with statics and negatives as you can easily overtrain with them. And in the Markus Reinhardt training video basically said go to positive failure, and that’s good enough.

Over looked by too many for too long. A brain as muscular as his body.