Bottom line here, just listen to your body, and let it work it's magic!

@fender1000100

2 ай бұрын

Exactly and thats what over 90% of people who train don't do. They train like robots. Day in day out. And wonder why no progress is happening. As someone once said to me COMMON SENSE ain't that COMMON.

This is just more proof that Mentzer's program is one of the best programs, if not the BEST program in the world, especially for natural bodybuilders. Mike Mentzer determined the program through years of trial and error with over 2000 clients.

@chillingcapybara8528

3 ай бұрын

@@adammac4960 Mike did use it, he trainned 3 times a week though instead cause of steroids. Dorian Yates also did use it (6 times M. Olympia). Almost all M. Olympias use some form of HIIT nowadays, its just that using gear allows for quicker recovery so they inserted more trainning days. (this video is for naturals) The principles are still the same though. High Intensity workouts till failure (and beyond as Dorian used to say), enough recovery between trainnings, Eccentric movement focus, etc... All of this was said here. Now you can get good results doing the 6 times a week trainning most bodybuilders were used to in the 70's, its just stupidly inefficient.

The greatest method ever devised.

Mike's training method changed my life and the way i view fitness and bodybuilding in general. May he rest in peace.

@MARKIEBANUNCE

3 ай бұрын

Doing that for as we currently speak....56 Nothing has ever worked for me except for this program

THANKYOU John, how you are continuing Mikes legacy is incredible. I’m a massive fan of your work 🫡 FYI I assume you have seen that John Hart is selling a collection of Mikes personal psychology books.

This principle is why I chose Push Pull Legs for my split & divided side & rear delts to by Pull day (or week) to maximize that rest in between sessions.

@robbo8074

3 ай бұрын

Yeah for me rear delt and traps on back day

great knowledge

Over 3 years of powerlifting i gained 40 pounds of muscle, gained hundreds of pounds on my total, got huge legs, back and chest but arms always lagged far behind. In retrospect i was fatiguing my arms 4 times a week, trying to add extra arm accessories and wondering why they still wouldn't grow.

That's why I went from working out every 4 days to every 5 days. Just that one extra day of rest has kept me making steady progress each work out.

Minimize overlap in target muscles inside each workout as well as between two consecutive workouts.

I was training 5 days a week as one day chest and back, next day arms an shoulders and the next leg, resting the next one and repeating that cycle. I was feeling tired and not much gain. Then, I changed my sets from 3 or 4 to 2 sets heavier to failure. Resting 1 to 3 days in between, gets what, growing much faster.

@remdyxx

3 ай бұрын

Amazing! Should be even much better if you correct it to Mike Heavy Duty training and it will be 4 rest days between workouts

@nopeno6514

3 ай бұрын

👍​@@remdyxx

@yourname-hh8ui

3 ай бұрын

​@@remdyxx when it says 4 days rest after day 1(chest and back), is it to the next time you train legs as day 2 or 4 days rest inntil you train day 1(chest and back)?

@remdyxx

3 ай бұрын

@@yourname-hh8ui it's Day one - chest and Back for example, then AFTER four rest days it's Day two - legs

@yourname-hh8ui

3 ай бұрын

@@remdyxx thanks

Well done again John! Thank you!!!

Sou brasileiro e sigo o heavy duty desde novembro de 2023, estou tendo uma evolução que não tive com o alto volume e a evolução a cada treino a menos que não me alimente bem ou durma mal comecei treinando 4 vezes por semana mas só consegui manter pôr 2 semanas reduzi para 3 treinos por semana e pernaci até 3 semana atrás agora reduzi para 2 vezes meu peitoral braços e quadríceps melhoraram bastante a densidade mesmo com BF alto. Sigo aperfeiçoando a aplicação do método melhorando dentro dele mas só tenho a agradecer a Mike Mentzer ok seu conhecimento e a Arthur Jones por telo inspirado.

Mike's H.I.T. programm does really work.

Genius 💡

Do you know if there is any audio/video of Mike talking about Andreas Cahling?

Hey John, great video as always. I think I just noticed that I've been doing the close grip palms up pulldown wrong all this time lol. Like, are you supposed to used a little different form when you're training the back than when you're doing it for the biceps? I've been wondering this for a while now and have seen a bunch of people doing it in different ways. So If the form when targeting the back and when targeting the biceps is different... then what should it look like when targeting the biceps? Do you have any video where Mike shows how it's done, or do you know any video where someone else shows the form? Thank you for your time, I really appreciate it, John!

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

3 ай бұрын

The only video where Mike supervised the performance of the pulldown was in the one with Markus. Unfortunately, the only images of Mike performing the pulldown when he was in his competitive years are still photos, which really don’t give you the form or cadence used. Sorry, wish I could be of more help.

I found: one upper body set and one for lower is that enough to great progress. More is not needed!

This reminds me of the synoptic gospels. We’re telling a story about one person, but the three witnesses have different viewpoints, emphasis, and circumstances/audiences they’re talking to. And just as the Gospel is richer for allowing different accounts to survive instead of pretending there was only ever one correct wording, one correct set phrase to explain what happened, we get all these many reiterations of a single theme, that shows the development of the thinking, the journey, and it is so much more likely to answer each person’s different circumstances and way of learning, and is helpful because of it.

If you still feel sore from back and chest does Mike recommend waiting until full recovery until doing legs?

Still recommend consolidated (squat/lat pull & deadlift/dip) for 6'+ natural lifters over ideal?

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

3 ай бұрын

Yes, that was Mike’s recommendation.

@nigel7880

3 ай бұрын

@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Thanks John!

@oliverc2124

3 ай бұрын

@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE what's the reasoning for a different recommendations at 6 ft +?

I tried HIT the last couple of weeks but for reasons I’m not sure about, the training to failure bothered my heart palpitations and tinnitus. So I’m trying to figure out a kind of hybrid version of HIT that doesn’t include training to “absolute failure” and maybe increase the volume and frequency a tiny bit to offset the lowering of the intensity. The overlapping part will get tricky to avoid though. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 🙏

@theguy4615

Ай бұрын

Try doing an upper lower split. For each upper body part, do a compound exercise a couple of reps from failure, then right into an isolation set until the reps get slow. For example, for biceps do chin ups until they get hard, then curls with a lighter weight until you can't do anymore. Then don't do upper again until you are recovered and feel fresh. When I went to absolute failure, I couldn't sleep, felt like crap, and it took at least 10 days to recover. I've put on ten lbs using this method. Good luck!

@KCBRYAN_1525

Күн бұрын

I have tweaked it for that sort of reason.and so I do one heavy set for strength and one set for higher reps.apart from that I stick to the 4days rest.it’s the only way I can get high intensity without doing it in one set ….tjmo

Why not chest and tris / back and bis?

If I’m only doing upper body due to a lack of equipment and some lower back and knee issues should I just do the upper body workout every 8 days alternating the two different upper body workouts?

@VsevolodPB

3 ай бұрын

yes, you do

@maxmaciel4995

3 ай бұрын

Isso. Tem um canal chamado Dr. Paulo Gentil ele mostra através de estudos que o tempo de reparo completo e super compensação do músculo gira em torno de 10 dias então seu raciocínio foi perfeito coma fisiologia.

Mr Little can i buy a poster with the same picture that it is a the beggining?

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

3 ай бұрын

You may perhaps, but not from me. I do not own the photo, but was given permission to use it from John Balik, the former publisher of Iron Man magazine. This is his copyrighted material, so you would have to license the rights for a poster directly from him.

@fromtheotherside1980

3 ай бұрын

@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE ok, thanks 😊

when it says 4 days rest after day 1(chest and back), is it to the next time you train legs as day 2 or 4 days rest inntil you train day 1(chest and back)?

@josephb375

3 ай бұрын

That's what I've been thinking too bro

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

3 ай бұрын

It’s four days off between workouts. It’s not just localized muscle recovery, but recovery of the physical system as a whole. Every day is “kidney day”, for example, and a lot of waste products are produced as a result of an intense workout which have to be filtered through the organs of the body, glucose levels need to be replaced, damage has to be repaired, etc. Only once the body has recovered, will it then devote itself to adaptation or growth. However, having said this, some people have a better recovery ability than others. Consequently, you may only need one or two days off between workouts to recover and adapt. Others, however, require longer time to elapse between workouts for this to happen.

@yourname-hh8ui

3 ай бұрын

@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE thanks for the clarification. Sounds logical.

Someone already said it but legs push pull eliminates overlapping issues

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

3 ай бұрын

It just doesn’t add the necessary time off between workout sessions that Mike references in this video as being necessary for full recovery and adaptation to take place.

@maxmaciel4995

3 ай бұрын

Push pull legs vai sobre carregar a parte superior do corpo e prejudicar a recuperação. Treinei como Mike falou por vários meses peito e costas,descanso, pernas, descanso, ombros, bíceps e tríceps(descansava 2 dias e repetia). Acabei por reduzir para 2 treineinos semanais pq senti que estava ficando sobrecarregado pelo alto nível de intensidade sempre trabalhando com 2 exercícios para músculos grandes e 1 para músculos pequenos e apenas 1 série até a falha. Mesmo sem fazer dieta tive excelentes resultados. descansava 48h entre um treino e outro agora decidi reduzir os treinos para 2 por semana apenas com espaço de 96 e 72 entre os treinos para fazer 2 treinos por semana apenas.

@boudewijnsimons2835

2 ай бұрын

Love these video's, John! Thank you! Big Mentzer fan since the 90s. I have one question: In his first (revised) Heavy Duty book (1993), Mentzer did advocate a push-pull-legs split, with 1 or more days off in between each workout. Then, in his book Heavy Duty II: Mind and Body (1996), he switched to an upper body / lower body split. Was this also because of overlapping? So far the only answer I've got, is from John Heart. In one of his KZread video's, he uses the example of a pulling exercise for the lats. According to him, as you bring back your upper arm, you will also be using the long head of the triceps. So I guess therefore it would be better to train opposite muscles of the upper body on one day and alternate between upper body and leg workouts, right?

What deltoid works on a lat pulldown though? 🤔

@raminrouchi202

3 ай бұрын

Front

@robbo8074

3 ай бұрын

Also rear delt

@speranza9415

3 ай бұрын

@@robbo8074 thank you, Mr. Austin

@aymen82

3 ай бұрын

Rear delts

@raminrouchi202

3 ай бұрын

@@aymen82 it does work the front inner somewhat but yea you're right

Hey I'm french and there is one thing I can't understand Is Mike saying we have to take 96 hours of rest between every training or between every training of the same muscles ?

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

2 ай бұрын

He is indicating how much time to takeoff in between each workout. Keep in mind that this number will vary with each individual, depending upon their innate recovery ability. Some people only need to rest one or two days, others four, five, or more.

@wizofleg

2 ай бұрын

@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE thanks a lot for the explanation ! I spent hours trying to get it

@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE

2 ай бұрын

@@wizofleg No problem. Best of luck with your training.

His body is really that of Toji Fushiguro but Mike is better for sure.

@3Runner95

3 ай бұрын

i can confirm

Do I need 3 days rest when I begin this program? In the beginning i will not be strong (after 5 years not training). 😅

@sesese7353

3 ай бұрын

Yes, you will need the rest if you do the training correctly. Your body will ask for it once you learn proper intensity. It doesn't matter how strong you are, you adjust the training to your current ability, train intensely, briefly and infrequently, rest a lot and you will grow. All of us who do it the right way know this.

1:29 is that jay cutler?

@insarkarypbekov9921

3 ай бұрын

definitely not

@aymen82

3 ай бұрын

Nah

Im sorry but the best ever trained 6 days a week doing 2 muscle groups per day the goat ronnie colman. Proofs in the puddin

@janaandjelkovic4910

3 ай бұрын

This is the best way,specially for naturals non steroid users. You are talking about massive steroid, growth hormone... abusers, recovery is much faster, progress much faster, stress tolerance greater.

@YetAnotherCarnivore

2 ай бұрын

Dorian Yates didn't train 6 days aweek, he was just as big or bigger than Ronnie. You can't use them as examples, as they have superior genetics and take massive amounts of drugs. Just because they trained that way doesn't mean they would not have gotten the same or better results following Mikes recommendations. What about all the people that go unreported following the 6 days a week training programs that didn't grow from such an incorrect way to train. What makes a muscle grow is the same for every single human alive. What makes the individual different is how much they respond and how fast that response happens, which is determined by genetics. Mike's theories on body building were just discovering how the human body works, which is irrefutable evidence proven time and time again. You will always have plenty of nay sayers, but it doesn't change the truth. A lie is the only thing that needs a believer, the truth doesn't, it will be true even if no one believes or accepts it.