KEEP UP THE GOOD CONVERSATION & DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THIS HIP-HOP FELLAS!!! RESPECT!! 💯👍🏾

No MF DOOM and Lupe is CRAZY

@johnsondailysports1341

Жыл бұрын

Doom got 0 hits. But lupe should be here

This is why they say "it's all subjective". Kanye and Ross? 😂😂😂😂

@willardweston8984

Жыл бұрын

Facts my boy. Might as well throw drake in the mix if we going that route.

@kevintaylor9590

Жыл бұрын

@@willardweston8984 not Drake 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Best Hip Hop 💎🐐podcast 🎙️🙅🏿‍♂️

@kevintaylor9590

Жыл бұрын

I second that notion

@matipasante8087

Жыл бұрын

Hell nah. The most biased podcast ever

@kevintaylor9590

Жыл бұрын

@@matipasante8087 biased about what exactly??????

@matipasante8087

Жыл бұрын

@@kevintaylor9590 about everything except Nas

@kevintaylor9590

Жыл бұрын

@@matipasante8087 thats a bunch of bullshit and u know it

Face is better than snoop and cube

@TheRealLeonardWashington

Жыл бұрын

🎯

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

G Rap has “Road to the Riches” Poison, that symphony verse and Fast Life w Nas all top tier shit … I get that material wise he comes short but G Rap is a Rap God

@toryou6

Жыл бұрын

Definitely agree, would add Ill Street Blues song to that as well. Had dope albums like Wanted Dead or Alive and Live and Let Die. Live and Let Die had many quality story songs on album. Had a feature song with Ice Cube and Scarface on it as well with dope verse.

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@toryou6 live n let die his best imo...4,5,6 n roots of evil classics too n giaciana story is underrated beyond as well ..

@toryou6

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaaldavis7907 Enjoyed both albums too. Roots of Evil had dope story telling song too with 3 parts

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@toryou6 yup....underrated very💯💯💯

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

​@@toryou6 giacana n roots of evil albums slept on

That Snoop being Top 8 is trolling.

@kevintaylor9590

Жыл бұрын

How when he released Doggystyle and wrote half of the Chronic

@massdagod

Жыл бұрын

@@kevintaylor9590 he also had Jay-Z write bars for him. Also, that’s 2 fuckin years. The Chronic and Doggystyle is 2 albums in 2 years. The next 30 years in Snoops rapping career is Mid/low-tier at best. I’d give him too 30.

@BrandonHaymon

8 ай бұрын

Nobody cares what you think troll

@BrandonHaymon

8 ай бұрын

You're comment is trolling

Snoop top 10 is wild

@raulgrijalva16

Жыл бұрын

Not really… a Emcee list? He deserves it.

@willardweston8984

Жыл бұрын

@@raulgrijalva16 it’s all subjective but one classic album? And LL is a far better emcee

@raulgrijalva16

Жыл бұрын

@@willardweston8984 you right on being subjective but in being subjective you still gotta see where it’s not surprising to see Snoop in the top ten

@willardweston8984

Жыл бұрын

@@raulgrijalva16 so what’s your case for having snoop top 10?

@raulgrijalva16

Жыл бұрын

@@willardweston8984 doggystyle and the Chronic being two of the most iconic albums of all time. Snoop is also one of the most recognizable voices, and styles. His ability to freestyle on the drop of a dime, sellout arenas, hits, sales… I mean legendary status…. What else do you need? I mean I solidified my own argument against myself if I had one. He’s definitely top 10

The new music doesn't have legs its good for the moment

Do a Top 10 Atlanta Rappers list

@jaymac8421

Жыл бұрын

👎

@diamonddonn8826

Жыл бұрын

@@jaymac8421 🤷🏿‍♂️

@grayeighty8974

Жыл бұрын

I think they did that already...

No way, No how, that there are 20, certainly not 25 MCs that are better than AZ 🙅🏾‍♂️

@therealreal7206

Жыл бұрын

Yes there are he has limited output he isn't a star Steve stouts comments about az are valid I a way

@supaman432

Жыл бұрын

If you were born in the heart of New York perhaps

@grayeighty8974

Жыл бұрын

There is...

@2Way23

Жыл бұрын

The fact that he’s out rapped just about everyone he’s been on a track with on MULTIPLE occasions, has one of the top 10 best verses of all time, and has a classic album and is still killing today, makes my case 🤷🏾‍♂️

For the most part I am typically 100% in tune or very close to sharing and or agreeing with a lot of what you speak on. That being said Eminem needs to be on the list despite personal opinion. For example everyone is entitled to an opinion but certain opinions are just that and cannot even come close to being argue for or against in specific situations in terms of universal opinion. Like you can tell me Jadakiss is your favorite MC ever but in zero circumstances can you even pose an argument he is technically the greatest of all-time for a multitude of reasons. I can literally despise a specific rapper who is typically regarded as one of the greats but in reality I leave it at that and would never try to push my opinion so far that I disregard fact or the massive Collective opinions of very Avid listeners. Just off technical skill-set alone he is top 10. Whether you think he's rhyming words just for the sake of it or not doesn't disregard the fact his ability to do so is spectacular. The fact he can perform records like Rap God live with no backup vocalist is absolutely spectacular in itself. He's actually gotten better as an MC on every level as he has gotten older. His range of flow style has dramatically increased, his ability to rhyme with the range of speed he has is very rare. Princeton's I know Tupac is a top 1 For instance I know Tupac is top 10 ever and I can understand the reasons why so many have him as high as they do. My opinion does not defer me from placing him in that top 10 because I can accept reality. Andre 3000 is an example of someone who was so spectacular on what he was on that he has to be in in my top 10. His contribution on ATLIENS and Aqumini single-handedly put him in placement. That being said Nas is the greatest and I don't think that can be overstated nor changed no matter who comes out with what. I hate the double standard that exists but it is what it is. Like I said before if we took Nas voice off the last four projects and input Jay-Z's the response from the general public would have been almost overwhelming. But because it is Nas it is completely down played for some reason and I do will never understand how that is possible

@daath5114

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Eminem needs to be on here. Coop wants him on but Mike is full of too much (jealousy?) 🤣

@matipasante8087

Жыл бұрын

@@daath5114 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Nasty Nas in your area!

Again, this podcast is never quite fair to Eminem or Redman for many of similar reasons. How can Redman impact be so downplayed??? The Busta Rhymes Persona Post Leaders, Eminem whole style and Ludacris whole style are all clear REDMAN disciples!!!! Among others. Redman has solo classics and Group Classics (El Nino and Blackout He is an A++ lyricist He is battle Tested and still very feared by Commercial rappers and Battle Rappers. He was in Hit sqaud, Def sqaud, Mef and Red He is on the hip-hop Marijuana smokers Mnt Rushmore He put Newark NJ on the Map! longevity! He has great guest appearances

@therealreal7206

Жыл бұрын

Are there any funnier?? Rapper all time than Redman

@CelisMusic

Жыл бұрын

Eminem aside, I'm not sure if you watched this full episode or not, but they pretty much said everything about Redman you just said so how weren't they fair? They defended his longevity vs Cole when chat members tried to say he fizzled out in the 90s. They praised his 1st four albums as being great projects even mentioning "in their opinion" that Muddy Waters was a top 5 rap album in 96. They went on to acknowledge his contributions to other great projects such as El Nino, Blackout and How High. I believe if you go to the full video it's around the 1 hour 44 min mark, but they definitely gave Redman his flowers.

@therealreal7206

Жыл бұрын

@@CelisMusic I guess I meant to say that this podcast really isn't fair to Eminem. I'm one of the biggest Fan of both these guys on this podcast. Redman is grossly underated by the masses these days and it's fascinating. But as a Pure Rapper or Lyricist Redman is an all time great. He checks every box. Also, many people don't realize how Successful Redman has been commercial while he was on Def Jam. Redman is Iconic but not in the Aspirational Black Culture Archetype and Drug Dealer/mafia obsession in America Even Cam'ron has. LOT of Redman. In his Style Everybody put some respect on Redman name on these lists and comment sections

@CelisMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@therealreal7206 I feel your passion homie. I'm all about perspective as well though. I would consider their critique of Red to be just considering they acknowledged everything you mentioned previously. I realized you were only responding directly to this segment, just saying within the totality of the conversation I don't see where they have a personal vendetta against Red especially when they took the time to defend him against others (Including the recent Billboard list) and breakdown everything he's contributed to the game. As far as Eminem is concern. Mike may have a lil bias towards him but I can't say their critique of him is completely off base. From a technical sense Em is one of the best at putting multisyllabic words together in unison over a beat. With that being said it's also true that his music is not largely played within black and hip hop culture. That's not to say he doesn't have dope songs, but on a grander scale his music does not translate as well as some of his peers.

@mikedriver5525

Жыл бұрын

I with you homey and If it you smoke you no where red is coming from his pen game is sick.

I agree with the Kane vs Kiss .. but yall didn't include Jada's group/ruff ryders stuff like yall did for Pusha vs Cole(unfair for Cole). Would that have made a bigger difference for Kiss vs Kane

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Clipse > l.o.x in albums..pusha.> .kiss ..solo wise

@mr.getitdone6543

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaaldavis7907 he still not a better artist or mc than Cole

Ross over tip?

You guys have to keep it real Noone has the IMPACT- INFLUENCE OR MUSIC LONGEVITY than 2pac His name is powerful alone

@ivy8645

Жыл бұрын

Facts

I think that Cole is more on the family tree of PAC than Kendrick.

@robertfoster6940

Жыл бұрын

Facts. Cole has alot of Pac and Nas in him to me. Dot is a mix of 3 Stacks & Wayne to me.

@YesToUpheaval

Жыл бұрын

Disagree. Kendrick is very much a child of Pac. The focus on a black woman's plight on Keisha's Song, black empowerment on Blacker the Berry, explicit homages to Cali on Compton & critiques of American society on XXX are all very Pac. The 3stacks influence in his style has reduced after GKMC.

Let's be honest 2pac biggest and impactful songs are bigger than anything NAS JAY-Z BIGGIE OR RAKIM case in point DEAR MAMA. -CHANGES-. HAIL MARY -CALIFORNIA LOVE- ME AGAINST THE WORLD KEEP YA HEAD UP BRENDA'S GOT A BABY

@evsvdb

Жыл бұрын

It's more than just impact respectfully. I do have Nas 1 Pac 2.

@RamonAcosta191

Жыл бұрын

I actually like NaS' ode to his mother 'Dance' more than 'Dear Mama'.

@RamonAcosta191

Жыл бұрын

NaS>Biggie>2Pac>Jay-Z>Rakim

@Follow.the.Leader

Жыл бұрын

@@RamonAcosta191 The God MC under all of them??? I’d have it Nas Rakim Pac Big Jay

@RamonAcosta191

Жыл бұрын

@X My Top 5 is a bit Fluid depending who's discography I'm listening to that day or week, but only NaS is constant at #1.

Snoop should not be in tht list

Busta Rhymes isn't my favorite but the man is 10x the Emcee as at least 5-6 people on there.

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

I have a issue wit the busta slander...frfr

@QuatMan

Жыл бұрын

No he isnt

@b-boycastertroy

Жыл бұрын

@@QuatMan he is a better "Emcee" than Cube, Wayne, Kanye, Common, Pusha, Big Boi and Rick Ross. These dudes are just caught up in nostalgia and album sales. I just went to Wu-Tang Nas concert last fall and Busta joined last minute. I'm not even a big fan of him but he rocked the mic way harder than Nas or Wu-Tang. What's that tell you? Maybe we just have different opinions on what an actual "Emcee" is.

@QuatMan

Жыл бұрын

@@b-boycastertroy Yes we have different opinions lolol

I usually rock with yall, but Big Boi over Qtip, GZA and Busta? Yall trippin. Yalls soul food list would have Mary Macs over Busy Bee...lolol. I still rock with yall tho!

We can give big boi credit without discrediting Andre lol

Based on music I listen to have to Nas at number 1 with Dmx 2 Ll or Mase for 3

Kendrick a better rapper, lyricist, than Prodigy

Kane voice not better than X.. y'all forced that 😆

Jay z himself said it that’s there was a time when prodigy was the Best rapper he said it on an intview

Kendrick is from the Lil Wayne tree.

KRS SHOULD BE NUMBER 1

How is Busta not in the top 25 or Q tip

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

How is this busta not top 20...period

For me Guru and Gang Starr 🌟 Is number one. To me he had it all R.I.P 🙏

@newyorktimes21

Жыл бұрын

Had what all? He wasn't kicking knowledge, no commercial songs, same flow, same style of production. SIMPLE BARS. NOTHING COMPLEXED!!!!!Moral of the story is, he wasn't VERSATILE at all. YA BE SAYING ANYTHING FOR CLICKS, MAKE SENSE. LMAOOOOOOOO

@lamontemckinney9724

Жыл бұрын

@@newyorktimes21 You is funny 😆😆😆😆👍

AZ IS A TOP 50 MC

How u got Redman at 23 that's crazy red should be in the top 5

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Nah ..

@mikedriver5525

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaaldavis7907 Wat RED MAN WHAT THEE ALBUM IS HOTTER THAN ANY HIP HIP ALBUM EVER!!!

@jamaaldavis7907

7 ай бұрын

​@@mikedriver5525man stopthe buffonery ...muddy waters hus best n dats a top 50 album...dats it..u sound like some1 wit zero knowledge of this genre....u speaking personal preference

Jay too high

@seankelly4594

Жыл бұрын

🧢🧢🧢🧢

@darwinashby7368

Жыл бұрын

I agree

No AZ smh

Scarface under snoop an LL, as a MC is not right, they have a bigger impact but as a Mc no

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Dats a joke....face 🐐🐐

@jamaaldavis7907

4 ай бұрын

Face > ova both ...no debate

Big pun needs to be here

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Not enuff material

@QuatMan

Жыл бұрын

No he shouldnt

Love the show but you need to put Guru and Busta Rhymes in top 25 and have a Slick Rick above them is crazy got a top 20 album of all time and his voice but that's where the buck stops at with him cane cool but it's rap sound dated and I have Guru and Busta Rhymes over him too

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Guru & busta > slick..def

Mobb Deep is not better than The Roots. After Mobb’s second, third and forth album they fell off a cliff. Roots kept getting better with albums like Phrenology, Tipping Point, Game Theory, Rising Down, How I Got Over, and Undun. Add those to Do You Want More, Illadelph and Things Fall Apart and it’s not close. Infamous is obviously better than DYWM, but Illadelph is right there with Hell On Earth and Things Fall Apart is better than Murda Muzik.

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Roots have more attempts...mobb has a 3 album classic run..infamous...hell on earth n murda muzik...the roots don't have that...the roots impact isn't mobb level...thought a top 3 lyricist eva....but nobody quoting roots...cats quoting prodigy n havoc....griselda is the evidence....ijs

Ice and snoop over LL??

@TheRealLeonardWashington

Жыл бұрын

I had more of a gripe with Ice Cube, Snoop, and LL over Scarface 🤷🏾‍♂️

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealLeonardWashington 💯💯💯💯💯💯

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealLeonardWashington cube n face 4 sum may be a debate...not 4 me..bcuz face consistency ova da yrs....lapped cube....cube highs in his prime is beyond on the influential aspect ...bcuz geto boys revered nwa bcuz of cube rhetoric...impact wise....

@TheRealLeonardWashington

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaaldavis7907 the deal breaker for me between Cube and Face is album catalog and longevity. Cube wasn’t able to make it out the 90s and still drop noteworthy work. Meanwhile Face has Last of a Dying Breed, The Fix, Made, Deeply Rooted and you can even throw Emeritus in there. All came after 2000. Face was able to adjust to the change in music while Cube went to go make movies. The quality in his music dropped the minute he got more into acting

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealLeonardWashington m.a.d.e album 2007..geto boys foundation '04...I don't disagree....ijs not tryna not be bias..by saying cube highs were what it waa

pusha over eminem, thats hilarious, jay too high, that man has wayy to many misses in his discography

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Jay > Eminem..I kno Dat much.n not debateable

@blytchez

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaaldavis7907 1 word. Renegade. Thats all that needs to be said

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@blytchez Jay 2nd verse is betta den all the b.s em talked bout meaning nothing...gtfoh🤣🤣🤣🤣

@blytchez

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaaldavis7907 em said nothing and still out rapped jay. Even jay himself said em got him on that.

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@blytchez what that mean ..he outrappedd him..what's thecquotabke he said..u remember??

Yeah Cole my guy.. but X washes him..nah yall wasn't hating

Im surprised that yall would allow Jay Z to be rated a better MC than Rakim, Biggie, Redman, Ghost face, LL Cool J, etc. Overall y'all list is legit except for HoV being so high when he can't out rap the guys that's underneath him

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Jayz not even better den scarface ...catalog wise

@seankelly4594

Жыл бұрын

You sound crazy

@kevintaylor9590

Жыл бұрын

@@seankelly4594 u sound like a dick rider

@kevintaylor9590

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaaldavis7907 facts and it's not even close. These guys rank Jay-Z high because he's has a beautiful wife and a lot of money. Lyrically he's not nicer than Canibus or Royce da 5'9

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@seankelly4594 I'm be crazy den ..only thing Jay got ova sccarface is popularity n stardom..bcuz it ain't the music....gtfoh...

Damn no Big Daddy Kane and Black thought way too low ….. my opinion Rakim is top

No luda!!!! 😮🙆🏽‍♂️ yall buggin!

The ones that paved the way must be on top! Must respect the pioneers.. NWA is on top.. number 1.. Look what’s spawned from NWA alone.. Snoop. The D.O.C, The Dogg Pound, Nate Dogg, Eminem, West Side Connection, Bone Thugs, 50 cent… Game.. So you see my point?

@dsewellga

Жыл бұрын

Higgs naw

The List is close to mine . And is a decent List. But Snoop top 5 ? How ? his catalog doesn't have no more than 1 or 2 Classic Albums. DMX is way better, better show. Better entertainment. Better style when it comes to street shit. My List. 1- Nas 2- Jay z 3- Pac 4- Biggie 5- Eminem 7-DMX 8- Rakim 7- KRS one 8- Prodigy 9- Ghostface Killah 10- Kool G Rap

Prodigy not better then Styles p nor Beanie Sigel…

@mr.getitdone6543

Жыл бұрын

Not at all

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.getitdone6543 prodigy > both

@grayeighty8974

Жыл бұрын

U dont know prodigy.

@mr.getitdone6543

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaaldavis7907 P couldn't do what Beans did to Kiss

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.getitdone6543 prodigy music is a feel like beans....oschino stated 2gatha that song got had..

This list very old school. I love rakim but he can’t be number 3 above biggie and even some others that had a longer career

@Follow.the.Leader

Жыл бұрын

Rakim is more lyrical than biggie and had a greater impact on the genre, the man is damn near the bookmark in the genre.

The Redman Family Tree Any Busta post Leader of New Eminem Ludacris The Alkoholiks, the Luniz and Obie Trice Even phaoroahe Monch Even can I borrow a dollar Common Jamal from Illegal Etc

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Busta > all of dem included redman....bcuz redman post Erick sermon decline greatly...90s redman music is sermon.....Busta not associated with 1 producer ... n didn't decline. ..n longevity n relevance def busta...Busta hits > redman hits....busta jus dropped e.l.e 2 recently...when red Las decent album ??? I'll wait 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️..

Cormega is the best mc from Queens after Nas

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Stop🤣🤣

@robertfoster6940

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaaldavis7907 who do you have as the 2nd best MC from Queens?

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@robertfoster6940 ll cool j

@robertfoster6940

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaaldavis7907 strictly on the 🖋️, I have to say Mega takes that. LL is a legend & bigger but his pen game isnt at the level of Mega.

@rarespecies83

Жыл бұрын

Mega not better than Tragedy.. Mega can barely rap on beat. People just feel him. He not better than Craig G or Pharoah Monche either

STYLES P SHOULD HAVE MADE THE TOP TEN I MEAN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE STREET SHIT WHO BETTER THAN THE GHOST SP?

I don't give NAS OR JAY-Z credit for longevity because when 2PAC AND BIGGIE were here and they were all outside everyone was not on the same level Let's be honest if everyone was given the same 5yrs as 2pac none of them would even be Part of the conversation 2pac did more in his last 9months of his life it has taken everyone else 20 to 30 yrs to get to He was 25 and everyone else is in their 50s except biggie

@evsvdb

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but Nas came out a beast. I have Nas Pac Rakim and who ever for me.

@RamonAcosta191

Жыл бұрын

NaS was labeled the Golden Child when 2pac was alive and had Illmatic & IWW, plus all his crazy Features! I love 2Pac, but I feel comfortable putting Illmatic & IWW vs 2Pac top 2 albums lyrically!

@DrugBa642

Жыл бұрын

So how can you give a credit for longevity to people who are dead like 30 years, bro pac sampled some nas songs like if rule the World Biggie saw nas album baby album cover and he did it to Everyone loves nas

@leroygreen6310

Жыл бұрын

@@RamonAcosta191 If these are the standards then the Goat lists should stop after 97 because Big and Pac were killed. Everybody still alive had extra time to make more music when they didnt.

@RamonAcosta191

Жыл бұрын

2Pac was listening to It Was Written when he got killed. 2pac took NaS 'I Gave You Power' concept for 'Me & My Girlfriend'.

You all should be ashamed at how low you put Big Daddy Kane.. Ashamed.. Don't care if it's your opinion that is way way too low. You telling me snoop is better than Kane? LL better than Kane? Scarface better than Kane? Common certainly is not better than Kane. Trash list in my humble opinion of course 😁

@b-boycastertroy

Жыл бұрын

It's pretty wild 😵‍💫

@grayeighty8974

Жыл бұрын

Kane influential but his run and albums hurt him in overall rankings...

Trash List You Put Rick Ross at number 30, this guy is top 100 LOL, yall don´t know nothing aout hip hop, leave 50 Cent, MC Lyte, Kool Moe Dee, Big L, Guru out of the top 30

This list is very suspect.... wow the Eminemhate is real..lol

Y’all hating on TI…TI>Prodigy

@mr.getitdone6543

Жыл бұрын

💯💯

@dsewellga

Жыл бұрын

Sheeeeeeit. You must be from Ba khead...lol.

@mr.getitdone6543

Жыл бұрын

@@dsewellga nah I'm from the Midwest.. Columbus, Ohio to be exact... We don't have coastal ties or biases.. so we see and hear music clearly that's all..where you from?

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Nah🤣🤣🤣

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.getitdone6543 I'm from the south prodigy > t.i n not debateable

Jay z 2 too high

@seankelly4594

Жыл бұрын

🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢

Dmx too low at least top 10

@ivy8645

Жыл бұрын

Facts Biggie should go down and dmx should take his spot

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

@@ivy8645 no sir...

Ghostface is not top anything and Black thought is top 5

@jamaaldavis7907

Жыл бұрын

Ghost isn't top anything ...??? Hater...stop capping

Jay will always be the best to me came in the game hustling and was extremely overlooked the total opposite of nas who was practically the golden child of hip hop if we’re keeping it real jay z should’ve never been able to surpass nas commercially and all the other rappers jay did that just by out working them !! But what people don’t understand is that hardship makes you stronger labels refusing jay z just gave him that drive and a solid foundation(rocafella) to become what he is which is a Titan ! Whether you hate jay or not him being the most accomplished rapper is a FACT ! Not an opinion. So you guys can keep your opinions on who the greatest is as logical men only deal with facts

@Follow.the.Leader

Жыл бұрын

Jay did not outwork Nas. Jay compromised his style and sound a lot more than Nas, always worked with the hottest producers, constantly recited biggie’s most popular verses, remade a pac’s song after he died sayin fuck him and sold his albums to samsung and shit. He didn’t outwork Nas, he was a smarter business man and compromised more.

@FinessedAnalyzer

Жыл бұрын

Facts. He outworked them all. The throne was handed to Nas, and then X blitzed the game. Jay shouldn’t never reached the heights that he did but that’s what happens when you drop consistently every year like he did and provide nothing but fire!

@Follow.the.Leader

Жыл бұрын

@@FinessedAnalyzer handed to Nas? Jay don’t have anything comin close to Illmatic. Where do ya get this stuff from?

@Follow.the.Leader

Жыл бұрын

@@FinessedAnalyzer he also rode Nas’ and everyone else’s coat tails him since day one. Jay has needed WAY more help than Nas.

@FinessedAnalyzer

Жыл бұрын

@@Follow.the.Leader he was handed the throne. Had 5 mics from The Source and was the Golden Child of hip-hop, and then dropped his most commercially successful album ever in It Was Written. When Big died Nas should’ve seized control. Instead, Jay-Z took the mantle himself once Vol. 2 dropped and never looked back! Pure complacency on Nas’ behalf, or maybe he just didn’t have the hustler spirit of Jay!

No eminem. Haters

@grayeighty8974

Жыл бұрын

Marshalls last 10 years have hurt his ranking...

@jamaaldavis7907

4 ай бұрын

​@@grayeighty897420 yrs post 2002..poop 💩

No Lupe and no Doom is egregious. Jay is too high, his albums ultimately suck, Redman is too low, Black Thought is too low, Kanye sucks, I mean it’s not a terrible list but it is off.

Jay is easily the Goat. Nas can spit a rhyme no doubt. But he doesn’t have the hit songs that Jay has. When Jay drops a song or album or even a verse it’s an event. That’s why Jay’s God Did verse got more shine than anything verse or song Nas had on Magic, KD1,2 or 3.

@TheRealLeonardWashington

Жыл бұрын

So basically your logic is that the main criteria for being the GOAT is hit radio singles and popularity…… thank the Hip Hop Gods that you are not the authority over who’s the GOAT lol ijs

@Follow.the.Leader

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealLeonardWashington facts cause last time i checked at least from the rapper aspect, hip-hop was about who can rap the best. And thats not jay. Always felt like the “commercial success” and “grammy” argument was a cop out.

@williesween8780

Жыл бұрын

@@Follow.the.Leader I have Jay and Nas at numbers 5 and 7 respectively on my personal top 10 list, but my point is J makes better consistent music than any other rapper including Nas. When J drops a song, verse or album it is a commercial success because the mass hip hop audience wants to hear what J has to say and enjoys the music he makes. When Nas drops a project Nas fans may love it, but Nas hasn’t had the commercial success that J has had, because although Nas makes good music it’s not good enough to capture the attention of the mass hip hop audience. Again Nas dropped 4 solid projects in two years that no one but Nas fans are listening to or talking about. With that said, Nas is still a top MC and I’m not mad at anyone who has him at number 1 on there list.

@leroygreen6310

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealLeonardWashington People that argue against Jay being the GOAT make the criteria about radio hits so they never have to discuss his skills and because Jays so popular his lyricism gets discredited.

@TheRealLeonardWashington

Жыл бұрын

@@leroygreen6310 but that’s not what’s happening here man 🤨. Who arguing against Jay being the goat in this thread made the criteria about radio hits? The person that made the original comment in defense of Jay’s GOAT status is who made it about radio hits, Grammys and popularity. My argument is an attempt to bring it back to skills, albums and etc. If we’re not using the same argument for a Drake or an Eminem when it comes to popularity equating to being the GOAT, then we can’t use that argument for Jay. It’s like saying MJ is the GOAT because he has 6 rings. Well Bill Russell has 11 so now what?

only one mike d and this ain't it

Jay too high

@TheLWebb100

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Jay's top 10 in my book.

@evsvdb

Жыл бұрын

Yeah to high..

@leroygreen6310

Жыл бұрын

To be higher you got do everything Jay did better then he did it. That's only fair.

@evsvdb

Жыл бұрын

@@leroygreen6310 true Rakin and Pac did do better in everything but one category. Jay made better party songs than Rakim and Jay is more lyrical than Pac. That's it. Almost everything else they are better than Jay

@leroygreen6310

Жыл бұрын

@@evsvdb Jay is still alive with a few billion so I can't say they did "everything" better then Jay. Jay was album to have a 20 year run where he dropped over 13 albums almost all of them reaching number 1 first week. Longevity is harder then being killed. Respectfully