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@Confederate_States_of_America

Жыл бұрын

Could you please do p-26 vs. su-57

@wilsonspicher6690

Жыл бұрын

If I was the mig id carry a aa10 et for a bvr shot with no warning

@chrishaug

Жыл бұрын

you know what i want next ;) gripen vs f35! :D

@tamalbiswas7920

Жыл бұрын

Do a LCA Tejas vs any modern jet... would be interesting to see how it fares against some of the bests.

@SamratChakraborty-ck5fw

Жыл бұрын

Go for j 20 vs su 57

Seems like the mig ran out of flares for the last missle, because it seemingly only dropped chaff instead of flares

@anomaly_echelon7994

Жыл бұрын

"missle" 💀

@mash_35-E

Жыл бұрын

@@davidsmith8997 Especially with the viper already behind it. But it definitely would've made the situation even more intense XD

@mash_35-E

Жыл бұрын

@@anomaly_echelon7994 Autocorrection doing it's job 💀

@J-P88

Жыл бұрын

​​@@anomaly_echelon7994 wonder what word he was really trying to type 🤔 🙄

@GrizzlyMoose

Жыл бұрын

I disagree it was definitely the rearward visibility. Someone gets on your direct six as a mig21 they become the world's best stealth fighter.

The air frame of the MiG-21 has really beaten the test of time. I think that speaks volumes for the engineers that built it. They were limited by technology that was available to them at the time. Slap some modern avionics and a more efficient/powerful engine in there, and all of a sudden the scales start to move. That was really an impressive fight from the MiG. Who'd of thought an air frame from the 1950's with modern everything strapped to it could keep an F-16 at bay for that long?

@Sivalente1

Жыл бұрын

I came in to this video expecting to be watching from the mig perspective, and thought we're in for a 5 fight sealclubing video, and was absolutely shocked when the mig made it in to freaking gun range with the f16 down to fox2s. The mig21 bison has just gained a fan with me.

@wigger88

Жыл бұрын

Air fights now-a-days are 90% about electronic and missile capabilities. I kinda already knew the MIG was gonna lose simply because less hard points. Although, like GS points out, the Bison definitely shouldn't be discounted. It has the goods to fight other 2nd tier military jets for sure. I would definitely like to see a US F16 take it on. The more modern AMRAMs might make the MIG's lifespan a little shorter.

@thystaff742

Жыл бұрын

The F16 would have definitely went down if there was a pair of them.

@keepwalking6041

Жыл бұрын

@@thystaff742 this is the thing, mig21 is cheaper than f16, back in 1970, 80s, all these migs, mig23, mig21, would overhelm the western airforces.. and would be used doctrinally correct-this one on one would be against soviet doctrine, .. its about striking from below, so radar can't see, lots of jamming so awacs doesn't help, and since migs are cheaper you will outnumber enemy in potential fight. overall, better strategy i think.

@kurousagi8155

Жыл бұрын

I think the MiG-21UPG managed to survive the F-16C for so long because the scenario is a dog fight. I think the MiG-21UPG’s Kopyo radar range is 57km and the F-16C’s AN/APG-68 is nearly 300km. Historically, western equipped air forces have made short work of MiG-21s, MiG-23s, and MiG-29s.

I've always loved the look of the Mig-21. It's just so plane-shaped

@anupnair30

Жыл бұрын

It looks like rocket with wings and tail 😊

I don't have the precise numbers, but I believe the last/latest MiG-21 development had engines with 3x the power of the original engines for the aircraft. Imagine that as an upgrade. A plane with triple the thrust it originally possessed. That's pretty wild.

@jimlthor

Жыл бұрын

Thing could probably take off vertically if set on its tail

@jamesjarrait2231

Жыл бұрын

Imagine an F-4 with triple thrust.

@Ghoster311

Жыл бұрын

Much less than that: 12680 to 15650. But the new engine could run in a heavily boosted mode for 2 minutes that would boost power to 21800.

@forsaturn4629

Жыл бұрын

you really believe that?

@wallacegrommet9343

Жыл бұрын

Like the 21 were slow to begin with

The Mig here brings to mind the phrase "Refined by age, not defined by age"

Tom Cruise in the next top gun movie: "The aileron roll will confuse his targeting system"

Missles was more expensive than the Mig21😅 Great fight.

Tougher fight than I thought it would be.

Interesting that a highly modernized MiG-21 can still be somewhat useful on the battlefield. Very interesting.

@direwolf7491

Жыл бұрын

India uses them as interceptors.

@StudSupreme

Жыл бұрын

@prestallar4339 But if its upgraded avionics turn it into a long range interceptor, it's still useful.

@user-sc7ul1ef6i

7 ай бұрын

surprised that ancient winged cylindric coffin thats crashed over 400 times can even fly, even though it has over 1000 kills, on the pilots that flew it and the civilians caught in the crash site.

@col.waltervonschonkopf69

6 ай бұрын

An Indian Mig-21 reportedly shot down a Pakistani F-16 in a fight.

Holy cow! That 50+ y/o MiG made you work for that kill. Props to Bane and his DCS skills. As always, great vids by GS🤙🏽

@QasimAli-to5lk

Жыл бұрын

Even the F16s are over 40 years old now

@L.K.P_

Жыл бұрын

​@@QasimAli-to5lkstill they are 4th gen specified

The little details in DCS amaze me. The wing flex at 4:40..... stunning! Another awesome video GS, thank you!!

The best part of the bison is the israeli elta elm-8222 jammer. It can defeat the radar of the f-16a/b mlu. Proved its worth in 2004 air exercise with usaf.

interesting to note is that during operation frequent wind ( the evacuation of Saigon during Vietnam) the always beautiful F-14 made its first debut providing escort to the helicopters and although Tomcat did not see any action against the North Vietnam Mig 21s it would have been an interesting match up to say the least given that the F-14 did not likely have its AIM 54s or the other equipment later on that made it so lethal so maybe a DCS fight with A mig 21 against the early Tomcat unless its been done already

@Invictus22656

Жыл бұрын

The Vietnamese Mig-21s in the 70s were no where near upgraged as this Bison. Those Mig-21s were the original version, only armed with guns and 2x Stoneage Fox-2s. They weren't a match against the F14s

@tetraxis3011

10 ай бұрын

@@Invictus22656The Early F14s also didn’t have their Phoenix missiles. Just AIM9 and AIM7.

@Invictus22656

10 ай бұрын

@@tetraxis3011 you got a point. However, I don't think the Vietnamese Mig-21s is a match against American F14s at that point in time. The F14 is far superior in terms of avionics & aerial maneuver performance

A couple of comments about 1950's engineering. Those were the WWII generation who took us to the moon. They really knew what they were doing. I know there is no F-106 available on DCS, but I think you would be shocked if there were. The engineers back then actually expected their missiles to HIT the enemy aircraft, not just get near it. I know the Vietnam era Sparrows were considered junk, but that was problems interfacing to the F-4 electronics. The same missiles from a 106 had none of those problems. There is an interview with a 106 pilot about shooting down a mach 2.5 Bomarc coming head on, in a test, with a contact fused Sparrow. The plane and Sparrow were chosen at random.. The 106 is the fastest single engine plane ever built.

Idk if you did this on purpose but, the first (I think) restored civilian MIG-21 flew today out of PIE airport in Florida. Its supposed to be flown around airshows across the country soon

@matthewboschin6313

Жыл бұрын

I believe there has been civ mig21 in South Africa for a while now doing super sonic flights for anybody that can afford it, like R60 000 (ZAR) for a 30-45min flight. But info is scarce.

As a real pilot having never flown a real fighter, it's interesting to see the combat tactics utilized to defeat the A2A and G2A missiles. Never thought about doing aileron rolls (I assume to fluctuate your radar reflectivity) to confuse the missiles. Thanks for posting as it's a good instructional video as well.

@GrowlingSidewinder

Жыл бұрын

looooool I'd like to just once again touch on the fact that, that was a joke and doesn't work in real life lol.

@twistedfingersproject

Жыл бұрын

@@GrowlingSidewinder When all else fails, worth a try.. LOL

Looking behind you and seeing a viper in pure pursuit witg wings flexing is terrifying 😂

What the MiG 21s did at that time, made the US to come up with a whole new generation of Teens. That's how capable they were. Given the modernisation by India, I would believe their version of the story that the Bison shot down the Viper with the eyewitnesses account describing the ejection chute colour which actually is from an F16.

@shaheerasgardian2926

Жыл бұрын

there are multiple osint pieces pointing to the contrary so

@kedarisgreat

Жыл бұрын

Exactly there are multiple OSINTs confirming an F16 kill.

@clintwestwood5187

Жыл бұрын

@@shaheerasgardian2926 this guy just committed blasphemy by contradicting DJ LIESPR gaffurra...

@SHK-SPORTS11

Ай бұрын

Of course you would, you're an Indian 🙂

@the_1_nemesis

Ай бұрын

@@SHK-SPORTS11 and you said so cz you're a pakistani... 😆

4:40 I just noticed that the wing flexes as the plane banks. 😮

The Pakistani F-16 looks very slick with that minimalistic Grey color scheme.

Very cool video! I like seeing unusually complex fights

Yo GS I would love to see you fly the mig-21 bison. I think that would be really interesting to do this fight in reverse

You almost had me at "the roll confuses the missile" I was about to flip 😂

i would love to see some older aircraft dogfights, loved the video thanks gs

What a great vid, I love when the fights get dragged out! I could watch these protracted engagements all night long.

Indian airforce always upgrade their aircrafts with the best equipments making it the best varients of that aircraft like Mig 21 bison,Sepecat Jaguar Daren 3,Mirage 2000i, Mig 29UPG, and soon Super Sukhoi upgrade for Su30 MKI.

@gigachad3327

Жыл бұрын

But we should accept it, my friend. the bisons are too old

@user-mt1xj1zd8u

Жыл бұрын

@@gigachad3327 yeah, every airframe has a time limit. It's too old. But just until 2025.

@Vendeta552

Ай бұрын

The Su30 mki India has is already very capable and scary aircraft so a super sukhoi upgrade would make it a complete beast

The Bison is not the most advanced MiG-21 variant. The MiG-21 LanceR is also a highly modernised variant that just got decomissioned by the Romanian Air Force.

@samgeorge4798

Жыл бұрын

They are both mig-21 upgrades that came out of the many mig-21 upgrade packages of the 90s. They are both similarly modernized calling one more advanced than the other is semantics. The lancerR has more air to ground upgrades and the bison has more air to air upgrades.

@IndianArma

Жыл бұрын

Actually bison is an upgrade over the lanceR and is not to be confused with the mig 21 bis. Look it up.

@nemanja162

Жыл бұрын

The Lancer has no BVR capability while the Bison does. Also the Kopyo radar is better than the elm2032 in the lancer so yes the Bison IS more advanced.

@Ba5edAF

Жыл бұрын

Imagine thinking Romania would have a Mig 21 more advanced than India lol... This was IAF'S workhorse for decades

@johnsnow9941

Жыл бұрын

@@Ba5edAF So was it for the Romanians

That was a really cool vid man. I was really hoping you would be in the mig, wouldn't mind seeing what it's like. That dude you you went up against did really well. Keep em coming mate.

This was a very interesting scenario. I would like to see more of these. Perhaps you flying the BIS vs something challenging.

@death_parade

Жыл бұрын

Slight nitpick, MiG-21 Bis is not the same as MiG-21 Bison.

@timbaskett6299

5 ай бұрын

The Bison vs. A Legacy Hornet would be interesting, or maybe an F-14A.

Indian mig-21 was escorted by Netra AWACs during battle when it shooted down Pak F-16...

@netsimam

Жыл бұрын

Lol no

I imagine (much like say, the Sea Harrier) the MiG-21 has a smallish radar cross section because of its size despite its age. Radar still largely depends on physics where reflected energy is based on output power divided by distance^4 with RCS being an important factor. That's why countries are leaning into stealth. RCS is the only factor of that equation you can really control.

That mig21 is like a 89 Honda civic ultra tuned up

*Indians and Pakistani assemble for a battle lol*

@JesusFriedChrist

Жыл бұрын

Masala vs Habibi

@Kobayashi-Maru

Жыл бұрын

This tea is fantastic 😂

@arindamgc

Жыл бұрын

RIP *"Doosra Banda"* 😂

@muhammadafnan6220

Жыл бұрын

Nah on this channel only the educated ones comes not the chapri ones so there are no battles

@hiteshadhikari

Жыл бұрын

@@muhammadafnan6220 u seem new to internet

Hey GS! Can you please do this fight from Mig21 bison's perspective too? It would be an interesting fight to watch.

Always a good video when GS says “hold this for me my dude”

It was very interesting to watch such kind of fight beetween old Mig with modernized avionics and F-16!!

Great performance by the Mig-21 i believe that if it had 6 pylons like the F-16 it could’ve even been victorious

@death_parade

Жыл бұрын

Forget the pylons, all the MiG-21 had to do was carry Archers and get in the merge with the F-16. Indian Bison Migs have HMDS, Pakistani F-16 don't. Easy to guess who'd win that fight.

@netsimam

Жыл бұрын

@@death_paradelol we have proof no f16 was shot down

@lemonpepperlouisville4138

Жыл бұрын

​@@death_paradeBlock 52 have them

@death_parade

Жыл бұрын

@@lemonpepperlouisville4138 Pakistani ones don't have HOBS AAM to go with those. Also, PAF has just 17 Block 52, including trainers.

I was expecting the f16 to steamroll the mig21. Mig put up a surprising fight! That was pretty awesome.

@death_parade

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of what USAF F-15 pilots thought after squaring off against MiG-21 Bisons during Cope India Exercise in 2004.

Excellent work! Always wonder where those dropped tanks end up..

Would be cool to see this modernized Mig21 go up against a modernized Turkish Phantom with Amraams

Love seeing the MiG21! Iconic little bird

Thanks for uploading in 4k. :D Not enough creators do that.

Love to see a video of you going to a gun range sometime - I can only assume you'd be standing on your head trying to fire a Glock downrange while inverted.

Looks like MiG-21 airframe aged like a wine here.

Mig-21 modernized vs F-4 with derby missiles would be wild.

@RealPlatoishere

Жыл бұрын

Mig 21 bison have significant advantages there

Unfortunate that you didn't keep with your underdog trend, though this was still a fun match to watch.

Imagine the F16 with meteor missiles. That would be devastating for any enemy fighters.

@PhycoKrusk

Жыл бұрын

We'll see what happens if the Viper gets upgraded for the AIM-260.

@eric97909

Жыл бұрын

@@PhycoKruskI hope this is soon!

@PhycoKrusk

Жыл бұрын

@@eric97909 Well, it's supposed to be operational this year, although "end of 2023" sounds pretty fungible. Currently, I don't see it slated to be available for the F-16, but I'm going off what public information I have, so that is probably not totally accurate. However, the Super Hornet is planned to get it, so it's not unreasonable that the F-16 might. It'll depend if the avionics upgrade is worth the cost, or if the Air Force decides to just go all-in on Fat Amy (which is probably the better plan, but what do I know?).

@arguy3297

Жыл бұрын

​@@PhycoKruskI bet they leave the F16 to carry the AMRAAM just because USAF mostly designates that craft for A2G and they'll probably stick to the Eagles to do the BVR heavy lifting. I don't know anything though

@tetraxis3011

Жыл бұрын

Or a Mig 21 with those Russian air to air Hypersonic missiles(Mach 6 capable).

Well this is ironic, I was literally looking for F-16 vs MiG 21 videos on your channel yesterday 😂

Cool vid and to clear some doubt, the PAF has JHMCS for all F-16s except one squadron which uses the F-16ADFs

Looked like a bat out of hell coming around that mountain behind that mig

it was actually a duel that was breathtaking

I've always felt the late-model 21s are the best looking jet fighters ever....excellent "Evil Empire" retro-cool. And yep....I'm a red-blooded 'Murican 😁

The first aim9 looked like it ran out of propellant just before impact and fell behind. Wonder if the guidance computer takes that into account cos it seemed like it was accelerating to the target then suddenly lost thrust at the last second. Could it have taken a different intercept path if it knew it would be gliding at the final seconds?

@GrowlingSidewinder

Жыл бұрын

well missiles deff understand that they will be gliding, amraams and other fox3s only burn for 7-12 seconds max, they use whatever kinetic energy they have at that point to hit the target. So the guidance is not dependent on burn, the missile is constantly trying to intercept regardless of energy state.

I wonder what the cost/benefit ratio is upgrading an older jet like the mig21 compared to building a new one.

Imagine a modernized f-14, what kind of beast would that be?

@bobsempletank4322

Жыл бұрын

Obsolete

@seka1986

Жыл бұрын

What about a modern F-86?

@justaperson1619

Жыл бұрын

​​@@seka1986ah, we need a FOX-3 capable P-26 peashooter

@bobsempletank4322

Жыл бұрын

@@seka1986 obsolete

@stephencollins9062

Жыл бұрын

​@@bobsempletank4322fun

Holy SHIT that mig21 is packing some heat!

Would love to see you fly the bison against any opponent GS

anytime i use the AIM9X on the F16, i get a weird static instead of the classic AIM9 tone, accompanied by beeps once it sees an enemy, but with any other variant of the AIM9 i get the normal tone. what could be causing that?

A good fight and cheers to the Viper FTW. The last thing I heard about India's Mig-21s was they were grounded after one too many crashes. Those things are flying coffins.

@RCLepcha

Жыл бұрын

Due to their old age they're getting replaced by the LCA Tejas which will carry the meteor, R77s, Astra MK1 BVR missile

@Dangermonkey1000

Жыл бұрын

its 60 year old jet.....what you expect

@RealPlatoishere

Жыл бұрын

The airframes are past their life

@RealPlatoishere

Жыл бұрын

​@@Dangermonkey1000nearly 70

11:40 So when we don't report back I think we can all guess the answer 😂😂

I wish these discounts were there when I was buying my hangar, but I tend to bite on pre-orders when I'm interested in aircraft such as the F-16 and F-18. A MiG-21 Bison officially produced would be absolutely AWESOME though. I personally would be very interested.

I really wish you would fly aircraft like the mig 21 in these videos instead of just flying the F-16 every time

The "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick" defense

Now do this fight with the mig-21 perspective also would love to see dog fights between the two from both perspective

Turning your head around and seeing that viper on your 6 must be terrifying.

@emmavaria

Жыл бұрын

Fortunately the MiG-21 has no rearward visibility, so the pilot never had to go through that.

That was one hell of a fight, amazing.

Be nice to see you fly and win in the bison vs Viper..! or a few bandits unknown...

Can you do this fight again, but from the MiG's perspective?

Where the radar dish is located on the Mig-21? It has some issues on the "nose cone".

Hot damn! That came down to the wire.

Really wanna see GS flying Mig-21s fighting against modern jets.

8:28 Blue car on the outside, brown on the inside now.

I didn't know there were any versions of the MiG-21 in DCS other then the Bis

14:07 the moment an Aim-9x turned a fighter jet into a pencil

I'd live to see another stealth package bombing run, with stealth backup!

GS: "Try spinning. That's a good trick."

i love watching your fox-3 bvr fights..do an f-16 vs mutiple chinese bandits over mountain terrain

Would love it if you did more WW2 stuff!!!! Love your vids.

Well said about adversary capabilities, optimistic by attitude... pessimistic by policy, especially when you have no visual I.D., even with it you can fall prey to confirmation bias.

the mig 21 bison story would make fo a great mini-doc video

would be interesting to see a video on theoretical build of the "super" sukhoi's that india is planning by upgrading su30 with AESA radars, and maybe even meteor missiles added to

@petrsafranek5725

Жыл бұрын

So the best Sukhois are the ones with western radar, western missiles and improved engines? Nice

@SpontaneousENT12

Жыл бұрын

​@@petrsafranek5725it will have indian made Radar

@utkarshchaurasia2233

Жыл бұрын

​@@petrsafranek5725western radar and missiles are significantly better due to budget

@petrsafranek5725

Жыл бұрын

@@utkarshchaurasia2233 But people under every aviatic video will argue, that SU or MiG is better than anything western all the time...

@utkarshchaurasia2233

Жыл бұрын

@@petrsafranek5725 well su and mig make good airframes so you can say that in some cases they are better. For example compared to the f18

11:27 "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"

I wasn't expecting the MiG-21to be a threat either. Good fight.

@IndianArma

Жыл бұрын

Mig 21 bison is not quite your run if the mill mig 21 bis

Great video, thanks!

Maybe its just me but when u jettison the tanks arent the pylons supposed to stay on the aircraft? I see that the entire pylon was jettied off

My country which is Brasil uses f-5 with Derby and Python-4 missiles and DASH, is there any version of this fighter with this configuration?

@Averagecartilistener

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the F16i Sufa?

This is beyond satisfying. Mig 21 is always one of my imagin enemy since childhood. I absolutely how they modernized post-soviet weapons. I mean, the early migs/AK/Soviet tanks are such good villain materials, ugly, rough, and robust.😂😂😂

i dont know if you could do this but itd be interesting to see a similar set up for an f104

Always loved the mig21 how can a pencil with wings look so good

The Indians fly their Mig21s along with their Su-30MKIs. Its a very interesting combo with the Mig21 being almost invisible to radar and the Su-30MKI having a massive radar and jammer.

And that bison did give that F-16 a hell of a fight, imagine all the Amraam and Sidewinders were used, so much for a modernized generation 3 fighter standing up against a modernized generation 4 fighter. And the skill of that Mig-21 pilot is also top notch, my hats off to that pilot.

I saw a talk on KZread by an F-22 pilot who said the Mig-21 Bison was the only plane he was worried about, due to it's speed, jamming capability and modern missiles.

@talha6852

Жыл бұрын

He was joking probably

@GrowlingSidewinder

Жыл бұрын

Lol ya I wouldn’t read too much into that.

@thatoneguy1741

Жыл бұрын

An F22 cmon now 😂

@jamesrichardson8484

Жыл бұрын

I'd have bought it if you said an older f-16 or something. An F-22 come on.

Always love the videos, quick question, im trying to to get involved with DCS, what do you use to look around the aircraft, is it mouse/joystick oriented? or is it VR?

@Simo_1609

Жыл бұрын

I want to know too

@Crackzilla89

Жыл бұрын

Some people use track IR, but personally I use the hat on my flight stick to control my head. Its probably not as good as track IR or a VR setup but it works for me

@Firealchemist24

Жыл бұрын

Most likely TrackIR.

@airwi3268

Жыл бұрын

Thanks guys

11:24 "Let's try spinning. That's a good trick."

13:00 lordy that was cinematic.

“I’ll try spinning, that’s a good trick!” 12:02

That view of a F-16 turning into the merge for a kill would be a terrifying site. Remind me to never piss off an F-16 in a Cessna im flying.

@death_parade

Жыл бұрын

Not nearly as terrifying if that MiG-21 Bison pilot knew what he was doing. MiG-21 Bison's major advantage against Paki F-16 was supposed to be that the former has HMDS and HOBS missile but the latter does not. Get into the merge with the Bison in that situation and you are toast.

why does the r77 only burn for 2 seconds? Or is that the booster and the sustainer is smokeless or something?

@GrowlingSidewinder

Жыл бұрын

Correct that’s just the first stage booster

The Mig21 first flew in 1955 and it’s still in use 68 years later.