Her ornaments are SOOOOO good! Absolutely beautiful 💐

@kgjhskgskgskgskdgfsk

2 жыл бұрын

Too bad they are really autotuned… The whole recording sounds castrated just because of the autotune

@MasadaBaroque

2 жыл бұрын

@@kgjhskgskgskgskdgfsk How can you tell that? Honest question. Actually, I kind of hear what you're talking about. She's very quick on the ornaments, quicker than I've ever heard before.

@clercflorian4637

2 жыл бұрын

@@kgjhskgskgskgskdgfsk for hearing Claire Lefilliatre in concert, it s absolutely not autotuned 😉

@Mercer1012

2 жыл бұрын

This is what happens when you sing with proper technique for the time, with controlled, non-sloppy non-romantic vibrato.

@elchatismiquin6445

7 ай бұрын

Listen their albums Nova Metamorfosi and Emilio dei Cavalieri's lamentations. De ornaments are prodigious!!!!!

It's always fun to see how the performers interpret music like this, where ornamentation and a little improvisation is expected. I really think that kind of thing should be explored in modern art music.

@Mercer1012

2 жыл бұрын

You can tell they pay attention to detail when all 8th note pairs become a dotted 8th and sixteenth in actual performance, which was a known "thing" to do back in the day for French music specifically. Vivaldi tried to imitate this rhythm in his overtures "Alla Francese" where he'd specifically write out this rhythm which was an un-notated but ubiquitous practice in France.

This is incredible sacred music. It’s a pleasure to listen to a performer really go for the ornamentation like they would have back in the day. Plenty of evidence for heavy ornamentation and so few today can manage it, even though it was considered crucial in being a good musician.

You share beauty, and you shall be rewarded, if not in this life, surely in the next one.

This music is kind of inspiring. Very interesting listening.

Never heard tihs one before, BEAUTIFUL!!!

This is how this type of music is meant to be sung, smooth, little vibrato, the ornaments and grace notes standing out ever the brighter.

I’m not sure how historically informed/justified is the execution of the written ornaments in this interpretation, but I love them. They sound almost Byzantine at times. And the male three-voice verses sound like Georgian traditional music. And regardless, the musically and the beauty of the voices are off the charts. Very enjoyable.

@karlpoppins

2 жыл бұрын

Byzantine chant is not particularly melismatic. Baroque singing, on the other hand, can be exceptionally melismatic depending on the particular time and place.

@jean-francoisdaignault9612

2 жыл бұрын

@@karlpoppins oh I know lol I sing early music for a living haha I just meant that the execution of the ornaments is different than what I’m used to hearing. An interesting choice/evolution in modern performance practice of this repertoire

@clercflorian4637

2 жыл бұрын

Actually it's more accurate than a strict interpretation of what is written, because it was common at the time for the singers to add diminutions (it s quite difficult to translate all i learned about this, but shortly is about the "affect" / emotions of the piece)

@Nooticus

2 жыл бұрын

@@jean-francoisdaignault9612 it sounds very normal for french baroque if you've listened to much de brossard or compsoers like that!

From a purely technical point of view, it is quite interesting ro see how residual modal harmonies and progressions mix with modern tonality (eg in G minor alternate or chained use of F and F#). This specific practice by such great composers as Charpentier or Delalande is a typical signature od the late baroque religious French music

lovely😍

Beautiful.

Merci !

This is wonderful

her ornaments are so satisfying to listen to :)

Fantastic ensemble

She has a great ear.

Excellent ornaments! I'm slightly confused by the very French pronunciation of the "u" and "e" (in words like "semper") vowels--is that for historical accuracy, or an idiosyncrasy of this ensemble? Otherwise, a really lovely performance!

@akumayoxiruma

2 жыл бұрын

The pronunciation of Latin is unfortunately very inconsistent internationally. So either the singers mispronounce it this way because they are French or because they believe this is how Latin was pronounced at the time considering that the composer is French and nobody spoke Latin natively in the 1700s anymore.

@olivier.gagnon

2 жыл бұрын

I’m familiar with germanic latin pronunciation, the most common italienate pronunciation, and yep french latin pronunciation although I’m less familiar with this last one and I’ve never been asked to sing with it. They all stem from some sort of historically informed performance practice, but I don’t really know all the details. I like it, there’s sooooo much music in Latin and this gives a different sound world to hear pieces with.

@leobster

2 жыл бұрын

I think it is purposefully "frenchified" to represent the way ecclesiastical Latin was pronounced back in the day in France. I have heard this same consistent pronunciation here in France in baroque music and I really like it! It sounds harder to sing than Italian or German pronunciations, though. I found a couple of links with explanations about regional specific variations of Latin, if you're interested: In baroque music: coll-mus-lon.org.uk/pronunciation/french.pdf In general: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_regional_pronunciation

@gregoryborton6598

2 жыл бұрын

@@olivier.gagnon Italienate pronunciation is just standard ecclesiastical latin right? I was unaware that there where several hip ways for singing latin, though it makes complete sense as latin had long ceased to be a living language by that point and singers would sing in the pronunciation they grew up with.

@Zavendea

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregoryborton6598 Yes, Italianate = Standard Ecclesiastical. But that pronunciation standard was only adopted in the 20th century. (And the idea of pronouncing Latin *any* different from the vernacular didn’t come around until the 8th century)

I'm such a sucker for the descending ground bass @ 6:58

@fcouperin

2 жыл бұрын

then check the Charpentier’s Magnificat: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKmnpc-vpNSWpNo.html :)

One of the IMSLP scores claims to be complete “with choruses added”. But I can’t verify since I can’t access as a member to download the file.

@jeremiahsteele5095

2 жыл бұрын

You just wait 15 seconds then you can click the download and look at it.

I love 16:06

is this on Apple Music?

I'm assuming this piece would have originally been sung by a Castrato.

@matthieulamiable4757

Жыл бұрын

Ténèbres were usually sung by women.

@matthieulamiable4757

Жыл бұрын

I made a mistake, this isn't tenebres but a miserere... but ut was also intended for a woman.

What's the name of the style when he repeats the same chord structure and changes de lyrics? I think it has a name that comes from renascence music? Can anyone answer me this? Thanks

@Saladaman093

2 жыл бұрын

Like at minute 10 and 21

@Saladaman093

2 жыл бұрын

Actually this piece is a kind of rondo between this ideia and something else

beginning, 04:58, 09:12!,

gut

Is that... Searle?

@Cmaj7

2 жыл бұрын

Who?

@cadenzalien4554

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Cmaj7 "S. 87", is that Searle? I thought that catalog was exclusive to Liszt...?

@miro.georgiev97

2 жыл бұрын

@@cadenzalien4554 No, it's Lionel Sawkins.

@cadenzalien4554

2 жыл бұрын

@@miro.georgiev97 Ahhh, I see now

@qalaphyll

2 жыл бұрын

lol i thought of the same thing

Yay! First!

@steveegallo3384

2 жыл бұрын

Yay! First, too, on the Moron Aisle in the local supermarket!!

@_rstcm

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry.....😬

I wonder when the early music community are going to admit that there are no historical evidence for singing with a straight tone, but numerous sources stating the opposite; and I wonder when the early music fandom will discover that the notion that early music should be sung sans vibrato was made up during the second half of the 20th century - which is also when the modern pure falsetto countertenor was invented. Which leads us to the hooty falsetto dominated timbre early music singers persist to favour, despite the fact that falsetto was seen as a false voice - hence the name.

@MartyMusic777

2 жыл бұрын

Just wait until you point out that the concept of 'Baroque pitch' is laughable because there was no consistent tuning until at least the 1800s - the pitch of the local church organ would change with the weather, brass players would have instruments tuned to A455, singers and winds just kind of adapted and went with it. There was literally no consistency, and that somehow turned into "play it a half step down, that'll make it authentic". I may have an issue with the whole 'early music' school of playing as a rule, mostly because it's almost entirely nonsense.

@christianwouters6764

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartyMusic777 Indeed. There is even an orchestra that is called Ensemble 415 to notify that they really mean business being "authentic".

@williamcarter3955

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartyMusic777 I would point out that the pedantry goes both ways here -- thinking of modern musicians with "perfect pitch" who insist that A *must* be 440hz. Also, I doubt that many groups play with their tuning pitches just to be historical. Think of string instruments which used gut strings (which has different sound properties to steel and other metals). Gut can favor a lower tension (lower pitch), and playing with tension can adjust the overall sound (warmer/bolder/etc.). Many french ensembles go as low as A=393hz, and I find this really brings out a warm harmony. Not all groups insist on going lower; I believe some Venetian early music is played with higher pitch than A=440hz, perhaps to add to the boldness

@filmscorefreak

2 жыл бұрын

but it sounds lovely.

@celibidache1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartyMusic777 I'm 100 % on your team. There were even regions where the tuning was a minor third HIGHER than today.