Shellenberger is a voice that should be amplified. He is the type of “liberal” that the “left” has left behind. He is sensible and willing to change his mind.

@CONEHEADDK

9 ай бұрын

Probl is that ace wholes will suck life till it's aaaall gone.. one road leads to the next road leads to wall to wall pavement.

@susanhuber1932

8 ай бұрын

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@September2004

3 ай бұрын

He deserves applause for willing to change his mind but I wonder about his honesty. I read an interview by Peter Gleick and it seems like Shellenberger totally misquotes scientists. For example, he quotes a trio of scientists and suggests they were implying that a nuclear reactor could become a nuclear bomb even though right before the paragraph he quoted they directly said that it was impossible to turn a reactor into a bomb. There are numerous errors like these including not understanding the language of scientists like the difference between ‘uncertainty’ and “don’t know what’s going to happen”.

I really have been enjoying Lawrence Krauss. His interviewing style is endearing, obviously well prepared and deeply researched . . . and he demonstrates a genuine interest in his subjects. I’m learning a lot.

Fantastic interview, thank-you Lawrence for having the intellectual bravery and honesty to have this conversation, bravo

Well done, Dr. Krauss - Shellenberger is an important voice on this subject

@HoboGoblinCat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, an important voice if you're Krusty the Clown.

@MrSammer1972

10 ай бұрын

​@@HoboGoblinCathe knows a lot more than you do

@theangryronin2152

9 ай бұрын

Well done?!?! Lawrence just embarrassed himself for 3.5 hours. This was pathetic. Now I can't decide who's lost more credibility him or Sam Harris. They have both made a joke out of themselves in recent years as emotional cowards and wanna be tyrants in the name of "the greater good" HA!

I'd like to see Krauss have an Origins conversation with physicist Steven Koonin about his 2021 book: "Uncertainty: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It Matters"'

@lebowski_dude

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting book - that would be a discussion worth watching.

@yamishogun6501

Жыл бұрын

@@lebowski_dude Michael Shermer interviewed Koonin, although ten months after the book was published. Shermer admitted he hesitated because he was concerned how progressive viewers would react.

Great discussion! This was very interesting, and informative. Not every single idea Michael Shellenberger has is the answer to the madness, but it's at least an attempt to make things better.

@drts6955

Жыл бұрын

No he's actually an idiot and liar

wishing him all the best. Hope he becomes the Governor. More power to sensible, far thinking individuals like him. Thanks Mr.Krauss for this conversation, and the update!

Great conversation. Bravo to both Michael and Lawrence for being taking criticisms in stride. Both made good points and both had some moments that they went off the rails a bit. But they both learned something and I am glad I listened

I love everything you've done Lawrence, but on the subject of climate I feel you've fully gone down the "we're doomed unless" road.

@eddieheron1939

8 ай бұрын

Perhaps you don't have young grandkids who'll hopefully still be around end of this century, as well as being unaware of Carbon Dioxide 'half life' in our atmosphere. I'd appreciate you researching and returning with 'Eddie, you're right, this is as serious as stated'!

@johnbatson8779

8 ай бұрын

As the half life of CO2 in the atmosphere is less than 6 months. Not a big deal Eddie

@eddieheron1939

8 ай бұрын

@@johnbatson8779 between 300 to 1,000 years Carbon dioxide is a different animal, however. Once it's added to the atmosphere, it hangs around, for a long time: between 300 to 1,000 years. Thus, as humans change the atmosphere by emitting carbon dioxide, those changes will endure on the timescale of many human lives.9 Oct 2019

@eddieheron1939

8 ай бұрын

@@johnbatson8779 Did you open and read that informative link I replied with? If so, can you now commit to being a believer in the damage we're doing to our kids' environment?

@cameronlapworth2284

7 ай бұрын

​@@eddieheron1939in fact it gets absorbed into the oceans too then travels in the deep sea currents and gets spat out 700 years later so what we load the atmosphere with now will get spat out centuries lattee.

Magnificent discussion !! 👌👍👍👍

MS is an international treasure! An intellectual giant of our time!

Why does KZread keep force feeding me this channel? Every time I fall asleep I wake up to this guy. It tells you something about him that KZread tries to force him upon you.

One of these two is well spoken and very intelligent.

As one who respects nature I would prefer ethics and massive resources being directed to getting compact nuclear right thus sparing large areas of land being directed to solar, wind and destructive mining for rare earths and the like. Then the real emergency of plastics and natural world and species destruction can be addressed.

Very good point that Lawrence makes about hesitating in going into politics is that you can't really go into and talk about the real issues you feel are important ! Ideas and concepts for Planethood , World Peace and Human Solidarity , Illiminating the War Machines and Weapons that potentially can destroy our civilizations , working wholeistically to solve the vexing problems and alienations of our human family , etc, etc ! Instead candidates too often resort to petty party politics and criticisms , put downs and narcissistic ego bragging that we have been most familiar with the past few years ! We need to rise to a better standard of behavior and coherent enlightened thinking to serve the real needs and desires of all humankind !

47:20 wow.. lol 47 minutes in.. "one of the the things I want to ask you at the very beginning ..." love it!

I am hearing thoughts of Bjorn Lomborg. Love these dialectics. . Learn so much!

Michael kept saying well I have two points to make there when Lawrence would ask a question, but he could have had ten points it didn't matter as 20 seconds into his first point Lawrence would interrupt him and the conversation would veer off in another direction. Shellenberger had far more patients than I could have mustered.

@Libertariun

10 ай бұрын

Krauss is off putting. I always have to force myself to watch anything he’s in. Just here to hear what Shellenberger used to be like.

You guys are great representatives of both sides on this debate.

I like Michael, he is a rational environmentalist. He may not be exactly right in all his ideas, but his ideas need to be taken into consideration. He is a good foil for the highly emotive over the top catastrophists.

@johnsmith2797

Жыл бұрын

You ain't saying nothing. Everyone is not right in all their ideas. Why even say that if you are not even going to point out one of his wrong ideas

Looking forward to this one 😃

Enjoyable informative interview/discussion with a demonstrably patient and gracious Michael Shellenberger - and an honest, somewhat uncomfortable acceptance of uncomfortable facts by Professor Krauss - cheers and thank you :O)

Good but some "devil in details issues appeared". They discussed the time to make reactors like it is fixed at this decade-long process when we built the first X pile reactors on the Columbia river in about 2 years starting from not knowing how to build a reactor. The difference between then and now is we now know a lot more with better design and control capacity being strangled by a bureaucracy that has no idea of the cost of delay. As an Applied Scientist (physics, chem, math with an undergraduate in mainly nuclear engineering) in '71 I took a job in the nuclear/environmental department contractor building reactors. My first assignment resulted in a design that would save about 10 million dollars along with higher performance, which went up the line only to be rejected because it would cost more than the savings to get it through the regulators. I switched to coal-fired plants with real environmental issues without regulatory permissions required. Dr. Krauss said that solar didn't have these big regulatory delays without noting that the regulatory delays in building a solar-grade silicon production facility in the US are so large that it is impossible in the US to compete with China, which has 90% of the world's production because they allowed multi-billion dollar facilities to be built in 15 months. Technically these facilities are more like a cross between a steel plant and a major petrochemical plant. Yes, we can build an assembly plant in an empty building, but the solar silicon to create the material to assemble are into the regulator delay game on everything from the sand supply to the carbon supply, infrastructure needs, etc.

I've never heard better arguments before on climate change.

Love Shellenberger, his books, Apocalypse Never and San-Fransicko are wonderful and well researched.

@karlerikpaulsson88

2 жыл бұрын

clearly, you don't know what the word 'research' means. Neither does that fraud shellenberger

Great vid, I have a lot of respect for both of you, keep it up. Love the jar of water 👍

Wow. Thank you.

A true delight to listen to.

1:12:20 (No) “the worst heat level” will not be the tropics, per AGW theory, temps will rise marginally there, while northern latitudes experience timberlines again into the Arctic What results is more uniform global temperatures, a smaller pressure gradient and so less extreme storms… win win

Wonderful discussion! Can't help but point out, the Koch brothers betrayal of Murray Rothbard shows exactly how libertarian they are.

My Bubbie Sadie used to sing “Que Sera, Sera” to me. I remember the Hitchcock film, The Man Who Knew Too Much, and the Doris Day song fondly but I didn’t pay much attention to the lyrics. Sadie died 40 years ago. I miss her so much. It was so comforting, snuggling in her lap while she sang to me. What will today’s future grandmas or bubbies be singing to their future grandchildren?

"All else being equal, we wouldn't want any temperature change, at all." Why? Was 1800 the optimum temperature for human flourishing? Is there any case to be made for that at all?

@ianshortall3356

7 ай бұрын

was thinking the same every time he said it :)

Feisty. I appreciate that you let Shellenberger remonstrate while yourself remaining steadfast in your questioning.

Hey, Please put out last 30 min interview about running for Governor separate KZread please. Seeing 2.5 hours is disincentive for listening.

Brilliant video. Fantastic educational value. Tremendous chance to live and learn. Cheers 😮

Very interesting discussion. What I think is missed in this discussion is that most people serious about dealing with climate change understand that it is the large Industrialized countries that need to limit their greenhouse gasses etc. It was the oil companies that stopped us from putting specific limits on our emissions because they pushed the talking points through ads and lobbyists that it would be unfair to us if the undeveloped countries didn't have to do it to and it would hurt our economy too much (LOL.) But we could be curbing climate change better and limiting the impact Industrialized countries have on climate change while still letting developing countries industrialize.

Thank you. Discoursing is necessary.

The Hard Questions concern Culture. I'm always interested in what quality and kind of growth people refer to. Under certain constraints how do we define growth? Also, what does one mean by Rich?

2:07:23 "of course I've seen it all" wow!

The book has received positive reviews and coverage from conservative and libertarian news outlets and organizations,

Michael is PISSED in this interview. Daaaaaaaamn. I've never seen him this spicy.

What is Michael talking about on the London Underground?

Does Mr Krauss know about Thorium or LFTR reactors?

It is very obvious that Kraus as he admits himself i very new to the issue of climate change. His points are kind of sophomore points where one thing that pointing out a problem is proving some amazing point, not taking 2nd and 3rd order effects into account. Shellenberger is great as always. A great respectful discussion.

@drts6955

2 жыл бұрын

Shellenberger's point are sophmore? No they're not. He lies through his teeth. He's not some innocent fool

These are the best convos👌

@AudioPervert1

2 жыл бұрын

Only for a bunch of yes men

@ResearchThis

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 no, I am not a yes man.

@ResearchThis

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 🤣 see how I just proved it there?

I enjoy this debate, but I have seen solar panels over parking lots which produces power from an existing use, while simultaneously providing shade for the vehicles in the summer months.

@mostlyguesses8385

5 ай бұрын

I suspect putting solar cells in cities over parking is dumb. It's like saying let's build housing over the parking. It's extra cost. Exhaust and tire dust gets on solar panels. It's hard to wash panels monthly if gotta wait for weekend. Some cats will crash into pillars... 50% of lower USA is unused land, too hilly or rocky or dry, no need to put the 2% of solar coverage on the 5% that is paved parking... And obviously solar around less sunny NE gets half the power as in Florida and third as in W Texas ... it's crazy how Germany is adding solar, that solar could be installed in Kenya around Kilimanjaro and produce 4x....

Mekong Delta vulnerability has been enhanced by extensive dams in the upper Mekong Delta. Deltas live by having enough sediment to overcome sea level rise globally and deltaic subsidence locally. The reduction in sediment due to dams is problematic. Also, the legacy of delta destruction done during the Vietnam War. The impact of massive herbicides on the floral composition, especially plants more essential to retaining sediment and enhancing delta stability. I don't know if this has studied enough, though I stand to be corrected.

We have been about for Millennia. The only people worried about wind,water and weather are the ones living on the second floor of a house of cards....the rest already adjust daily because "that's life".

Michael Shellenberger telling Lawrence Krauss "NO, NO, THIS IS BASIC PHYSICS" as if Lawrence Krauss doesnt know basic physics.

@wbaumschlager

2 жыл бұрын

Knowing and applying are two different things.

@captain_context9991

9 ай бұрын

@@wbaumschlager Uh, no.... No it isnt.

How about instead of throwing your plastic in the regular garbage, we require a plastics recycling plant in every county in the country? Use of plastic products leads to ingestion and/or inhalation of large amounts of both microplastic particles and hundreds of toxic substances with known or suspected carcinogenic, developmental, or endocrine-disrupting impacts. Is Shellenberger saying that if we put it in a landfill, that serious health risk goes away?

I have a concern that all wealthy countries have lower birth rates but larger and larger immigration to increase the population to keep driving growth. So what happens when all countries are developed?

@ivandafoe5451

2 жыл бұрын

Then we will hopefully see the obvious limits to the whole mistaken concept of unlimited growth. Progress and growth are not exactly the same thing...as we have plainly seen they can even be exact opposites.

Equating people who have mental illnesses with gun toting mass murderers is wrong. The millions of people with mental health issues do not murder anyone. Get rid of the assault rifles and close loopholes. We know for a fact this will save lives.

Surely, a very significant feature of supporting Ukraine is to stall / prevent restructuring of another USSR. Ask all the former USSR countries and others that avoided such then, and most certainly want that 'off the cards' for their future.

A more important aspect is energy blindess with regards to the power house of the Diesel engine and crude. Without that, nothing gets built. So unless there is a protection and rationing of crude stores, i dont care if i have rebuildable solar and wind, nor nuclear.

One of the best episodes I've seen so far. So informative. About the nuclear power I already knew. I've been pro nuclear for some 30 years. Hydro and nuclear are the only two sensible alternatives in the long run. Living off grid of course private solar- and wind power make sense.

@mostlyguesses8385

5 ай бұрын

Living OFF the grid seems to require more energy. Besides having to commute far, if a city builds turbines and solar and batteries it can do it at lower cost in overhead and labor.... And the city can build less per capita since each person must build for their highest day in the year. And then off grid person must overbuild like x4 for the worst month of weather, Feb, while a city can run for 1 month their natural gas plants.. So a off grid person will need 4x or so, than what a city system can use. .. the millionaires to go off grid do 4x. The in poverty survivalists frankly huddle for Feb and don't run their machines, so ok they keep it to 2x.... Transmission losses are only 10% which is just physics its this low . So again letting city do it all is best ..... All this is sorta true for people on the grid who have some wind or solar .... . . . .. . . I'm "pro Chernobyl nuclear", we don't need containment domes and costly fail-safes, plus we can skip shielding and employ men in their 70s!!! But we re dummies so this won't happen, we sorta deserve extinction for this weak thinking.....

Poor Dr Krauss. He tried soooo hard over and over to trap Schellenberger. Mostly when Dr Krauss wasnt tongue tied, he was busy interrupting. I feel like Dr Krauss once witnessed a serious discussion, at least he thinks he did, and so feels like he can participate in one. Alas, not quiet. And let's have some specific criticisms to what Shellenberger has presented. The comments I've read as extremely qualitative and appear to reflect that the writers are largely unfamiliar with the issues MS eloquently presents. Wait! I have an idea. Read his book. This is my first exposure to Dr Krauss and his podcast. I'm hoping it will be my last.

This is about wounded ego. Vanity and Politics. Who'd have thought?

Is that Captain Kirk in the background behind Laurence?

@rodneyholmes720

7 ай бұрын

I thi

@maxxwellbeing9449

7 ай бұрын

@@rodneyholmes720 …nk so?

Talking about background: who is standing there behind Dr. Kraus??

@818vAll3r0G

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like Captain Kirk

@markstipulkoski1389

2 жыл бұрын

I think its Captain Kirk also. On the other side of Lawrences head is an Enterprise starship on the bookshelf.

@jeffnolan7392

2 жыл бұрын

...and he's wearing a golden "Physics" sash

"Dairydaw" ... don't you love that subtitling software?

I’ve never experienced so many ads inserted into a KZread video before. I guess funding for the Origins project is a bit anemic these days? Or is that no longer a thing?

So the drought in California and almost the entire SW - how will that impact food production? And the rationing of water? Does that limit population growth?

@Nill757

Жыл бұрын

The drought in CA is secondary to what CA does about water infrastructure and management. The coastal rainfall was never close to supporting the population without man made water retention, the inland food production was never close to supporting population without irrigation made possible by man made water retention. If CA decides to not build new and to not maintain old dams and canals, an instead decides to let all the mountain melt water run out to the sea, then drought or no they have a disaster looming.

@rolfbattlec7672

Жыл бұрын

@@Nill757 There is less rainfall and snowfall in California now. There is less underground water as well. It's called a drought. I don't know how California is supposed to build its way out of a drought.

@Nill757

Жыл бұрын

@@rolfbattlec7672 Yes less now. There is still enough run off from the Sierras … IF you keep it all in water management, both in current dry years and stored longer term from wet years. If it’s dumped out to sea in the Sacramento River etc, then no you don’t. Keep in mind the coastal populations never has enough local precipitation in CA, in any year. Those populations depend on water shipped from inland. New reservoirs, canals are needed.

@rolfbattlec7672

Жыл бұрын

@@Nill757 so the 1000 year drought is not a problem? And no cut backs in water are needed. BTW 75% to 80% of California's water goes to agriculture NOT to cities. BTW 2: who pays for new infrastructure?

@Nill757

Жыл бұрын

@@rolfbattlec7672 WTH? Of course drought is a problem, especially when Sierra mountain runoff dumps in the ocean. CA built a dozen major dams and reservoirs and hundreds of miles of water canals starting a hundred years ago. Residents paid for all that. Nothing new has been built in the last fifty years, even though population increased 20M in that time, and the existing infrastructure was allowed to decay.

What really bothers me is those who continue to cash in on economic growth are given deference concerning how much environmental damage everyone else should tolerate.

How is this guy a physicist and not know so much of the basic physics of energy?

Hey Walmart… can we start an adopt a child program where we get to sponsor one of the little dudes that’s are mining the ore we need for our phone batteries. I wanna contribute to 2 of those little dudes

170,000 Tera watts of energy hits the earth every day, I’m not an engineer but can’t someone sort out how to use that ?

@Junglebtc

Жыл бұрын

A lot is used to heat the planet so that's reduced by the time it filters down to our level ? Again no engineer also absorbed by oceans used by plants but the potential seems huge

@cbarksda6139

Жыл бұрын

Too dilute. And in any particular location, that energy doesn't arrive at night or during cloudy weather.

It is a bit cynical to say, "Well then people in South Vietnam can move to North Vietnam". There was a war between the two only fifty years ago, and the tensions are very real. In fact, this dynamic is present in many areas in the world. Some climate analysts predict that climate change will have some of its worst affects in parts of the world where tribal and ethnic tensions are highest. Christian Parenti's book "Tropic of Chaos" explains that climate related droughts often bring famine to already war-torn nations, thereby exacerbating the violence and misery people are experiencing. I do think Michael might be viewing the issue of mass migration and refugee flow through rose colored glasses. I'm sure Michael would have a rebuttal to this, but I thought it was worth noting.

@Nill757

Жыл бұрын

The possible tensions arising from people forced to move inland a few miles are secondary to tensions likely to arise from cutting the entire country off from affordable energy, or from liquid fuels.

Shellenberger seems to have anaive view of the potential for human altruism.

Planetary boundaries literature says #1 is declining biodiversity.

The climate is just fine ☺

Why have you removed my first comment?

There's not enough Uranium to meet demand.

9:50 "No one's reported back from the dead and told us that there's an afterlife." NDE's anyone.

As well educated Krauss is in theoretical physics he is very uneducated in the field of applied energy.

Both on the beam! Thanks much guys.

I agree largly with this guy but why build a new coal fire power station in inda? African jumped past telephone wires and poles and jumped straight to smart phones. Industrialise yes but adopt the newer greener (not green) technologies. Coal and gas are both more expensive than re storage is the prime issue here so that needs to be our infrastructure focus.

Is it lousy governance that inhibits economic development?

Lawrence, you say you have left the US, smart move with their antique gun laws.

It took Michael A LONG TIME to figure out the left. A long time......

Why isn’t Plymouth Rock not under water after 400 years?

Berkeley is fine screw the rest. What an attitude…

This is exactly why we need to protect freedom of speech

@ivandafoe5451

2 жыл бұрын

We cannot ever have free speech in the corporate capitalist system that dominates our societies.

I swear Lawrence turned into a Don Quixote physicist.

@jeffnolan7392

2 жыл бұрын

Why? Running for Sancho Panza??

@cristianm7097

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffnolan7392 Look at his beard and moustache and how thin he is.

It is difficult to deal with ignorant critics.

It's not a militia, it's a free-for-all. Start with well-regulated. A gun is just a club without munitions. Regulate the availability and possession of ammunition. Nothing to do with the 2nd amendment

if climate change is going to be causing poverty what caused it 100 years ago? isn't global poverty at one of the lowest levels its been? IT seems like a lot of banking on the environment getting worse when the data doesn't really support that.

This guy has a Masters degree in anthropology, and he lives in Berkeley. With those credentials, how can anyone doubt his views?

@jeffnolan7392

2 жыл бұрын

cuz he's a fraud

@fireofenergy

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffnolan7392 One's a scientist, or rather, a theoretical physicist. And the other, a supporter for the best source of energy for advanced civilization. Never, I mean never, judge a book by its cover.

@markstipulkoski1389

2 жыл бұрын

@@fireofenergy He is a mixed bag to me. His viewpoint is purely urban. He is not empathetic to rural people. His solution is that everbody should just move to a city for prosperity. Flip it and tell the urban downtrodden to move out to the country and raise livestock. Rural people see cties as noisy, dirty places where people live like rats. City people see rural as boring and its people as backward. He doesn't get that. I am suburban and hope to move to the country and live in an off grid, solar powered home with natural beauty around me.

@fireofenergy

2 жыл бұрын

@@markstipulkoski1389 Who said that everyone should move to the city? The scientist or the clean energy industrialist? That said, I feel like moving to the country, too (but I work suburban).

@markstipulkoski1389

2 жыл бұрын

@@fireofenergy At 1:14:40, Shellenberger says "I don't cry for small farmers" and talks about displacing them. I am from a town on the Mississippi gulf coast that was devastated by Hurricane Katrina with a 30 foot tidal surge caused by the acts of man (destruction of Louisiana marshland that shielded my town from storm surge). People from California like Schellenberger pushed that the government should declare most of the town a national park and prevent people from rebuilding. People who live there have roots there for 300 years. He sounds just like those other California assholes.

wind and sun make its energi when we don't use the less energy and only 30% of the time in a year over lifecycle years 9% under the time we use most of ur energy over its lifecycle so you need 91% of outer energy sources if you want energy 24/7 to cover a 600MW nuclear plant with wind you need to install 6000MW so to say thats a area of 3 184 km²

Krauss is a weak interviewer. He’s so concerned about stirring up or defending his own beliefs. Shellenberger is trying to be transparent. Krauss is tip toeing around!

if you are a kid you smell how petrol exhausts make you breathing system bloody, now you are used and lagg the memory

This is great until 2.23 when they both agree that emissions have peaked and that this is an achievement. But the logical fallacy is apparent. The emissions have peaked because Western governments are enacting the very policies that Shellenberger is arguing against. He seems to be having it both ways. I am with him up to this point, but I have no idea why he suddenly says that the consequences of the stupid policies - and they are stupid - that he is arguing against, are an achievement.

Non-linear works both ways.

I’ve read one of Shellenberger’s books and listened to a number of his talks. As a liberal I’m convinced he’s doing God’s work. However, he would convince more of my tribe and perhaps reach a critical mass of opinion if he would spend less time denigrating liberals on MAGA shows.

Given the choice between Schellenberger's truth and the UN's lies, I choose truth. Many don't. Many prefer lies. I understand the grifters who love the money-making benefits, but why are so many others falling for this?

shellenberger: “I love humanity, I love humankind” also shellenberger: “I don’t cry for people who lose their small farms to migrate into sweatshops and industrial parks in cities.” Shellenberger is the type of “naturalist” that want to empty indigenous of their native lands. He argues that villagers are financially better off working in city factories while not accounting for the cost disparity btw village life vs city life. Worst, while he confidently cite evident of for prosperity of the last 150 years he fail to account for how robots are already displacing factory workers in places like Vietnam.

The fantastic Chernobyl running the reactor to political master over the Vorterra integral? 2nd floor lake storage in an earthquake zone?

Nuclear is more expensive than other soruces of power? Shellenberger seems to ignore economics.

Sarcasm: poverty is great. I don't know how I'd keep my shed full of slaves without it.

@Spookie814

6 ай бұрын

😂

THESE two guys look like father and son.....

I can't stand people like Shellenberger,who can't have a good conversation without constantly interrupting and raising his voice. An intelligent and emotionally mature person can have a conversation,or even a debate, without getting upset and interrupting and raising their voice. That's childish. And it's an attempt to strong-arm the other person and force your opinion on them by force of voice alone. Every good conversation or debate has the participants politely sharing their ideas and opinions with one another,and then explaining why you do or do not agree with one another. At no timr,is there a valid reason for raising your voice,interrupting,and shouting over the other person, just because you don't agree with what they are saying. You let them speak,and then you offer a rebuttal,afterward. This Shellenberger guy is a perfect example of how politics prevents things from getting done. It's this tendency to argue instead of consider.