Dr. Behe's book, Darwin's Black Box, has been one of the most influential books I have read. Thank you Dr. Behe! It was such an excellent book!!!

I'd like to put a 'systems engineering' slant on 'irreducible complexity', which itself, IMO is a great starting point for study of bio-systems. The mousetrap, while itself a 'system', is functionally part of and interacts with other systems with efficient and closely coupled interfaces. The mouse being the primary conjoined system. Another would be the item the mousetrap is placed on. Biological systems are similar, but far more complex in their 'trans-system' interconnections or interfaces, without which the isolated system will be non-functional. The eye serves as an example. To work it needs non-deterministic links with the endocrine, circulatory, musculoskeletal, nervous (autonomic, visual and voluntary) systems. All must orchestrate together and with efficient linkages for the eye itself to work. But, back to the flagellum. This is not merely a system with subsystems, each of which is non-deterministically connected to the system. That is none of the subsystems 'want' a flagellum nor, at the instruction level 'know' about it! None has a teleological 'goal' towards which to drive. Their overall 'design' is imposed rather than emergent, otherwise it would not come together. Moreover, this is not just a question of morphology, but of the protein based instruction set that delivers the system of systems, which the bacterium is, and its individual systems, of which the flagellum is one, and it composed of sub-systems. But this is all part of a 'meta-system' or context in which the bacterium is meaningfully situated and about which none of the systems or their components have a teleological link that would feed back into the instruction set. Darwin, et al: we have a problem!! To which Hal would reply: 'Charles, I can't do that'

@wittwfiii

2 ай бұрын

The eye can't say to the hand, "I have no need of you." God knows what He is doing: He sees the end from the beginning.

@Shoerandomcanoe

Ай бұрын

It does not matter what your opinion is, irreducible complexity has been thoroughly refuted. Everything from his original hypothesis to his evidence (like the flagellum) have been disproven. You need a new starting point.

these chats would be so much better with a diptych of pictures where the discussants face each other in profile

Great interview.

Isn't this an older review?

Darwin's Black Box singlehandedly inspired the new atheist movement. They correctly identified it as the most dangerous attack evolution and materialistic atheism have experienced. Behe has been very instrumental in turning me towards Christianity.

I never did like the tie clip explanation of the mouse trap. 😂

A Mouse Trap has irreducible simplicity, we make it complex. The Game "Mouse Trap" comes to mind.

Great video, thanks. Darwin's theory is now just a boy scout story, a so so story, a fairy tale, a religion almost. I'm not fully sold on ID, but I know Darwin's theory is wrong. I just don't know, it's still a mystery where all the animals came from, life still remains a complete mystery.

@stormythelowcountrykitty7147

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. I’m not completely convinced by ID (as science) but I do think Darwinian Evolution is not viable.

@tonyisnotdead

Ай бұрын

@@stormythelowcountrykitty7147 can you name a single theory other than evolution that has an equivalent amount of evidence and importance within science?

Behe is fun. Been a Christian myself for over 50 years. I ve wrestled with evolution until ID and the knowledge of the evolution lies i.e. ape men and walking whales

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Are we *still* doing this? So tiresome.

@kuhatsuifujimoto9621

2 ай бұрын

cope, seethe, mald. Neo-darwinism, especially beliefs around abiogenesis can only be held from a perspective of ignorance.

@TaxEvasi0n

Ай бұрын

Can you provide an explanation or an argument instead of a sigh of disapproval? You're not contributing any information to the contrary. Are you a contrarian or do you have some productive knowledge in your unreliably evolved brain due to blind processes? Gird up thy loins and speak now, if you know this.