ALL Nature is incredibly engineered and we can analyze and learn from it's brilliance. IF it was mindless then we can only try to figure out how. Where is science going to go?

@naturfagstoff

Ай бұрын

Evolutionists are people who spend their life and energy trying to ratioalize how random, irrational, mindless processes have created living, rational organisms, and ultimately their own minds and reasoning. It makes absolutely no sense at all.

The earth is roughly 8,000 miles in diameter ( it is not a precise sphere but is spheroid ). The earth’s crust is about 15 miles thick and the inhabited atmosphere about 15 miles thick. The deepest ocean trenches are about 5 mile deep and the highest mountains about 5 miles high. Life can exist in the trenches and even on the mountains but at those extremes is vanishingly rare. Life primarily inhabits about 5 miles above or below sea level. Yet even here nearly all life is within a mile above or below sea level. Of that area most life exists within a few hundred feet of sea level. The oceans cover 2/3rds of the surface of the earth and almost no life exists above that sea level. Out of all the area and therefore out of all the mass of the earth life is so little material matter as to be almost nonexistent. The volume of matter which is life could vanish and it would matter little as to the mass of the earth. What ever you believe was the origin of life given experiments of Louis Pasteur and all the research into abiogenesis life only began to exist once on this planet. So whether you believe the earth to be 4 billion years old or 6,000 Years old life has never been seen to spontaneously occur presently or anytime in the recorded history of humans. Therefore whatever timeline once is the amount of occurrences of the beginning of life on earth and the amount of material that exists as life is nearly nonexistent. Life is so rare as a material and in time its existence so rare that the cause and conditions are so rare as to be considered nonexistent. Life is not ubiquitous on earth. Life is not ubiquitous in the universe. The conditions and time limits required for the existence of life are more fine tuned than any known constant. The presumption that life is ubiquitous in the universe simply given the amount of stars, galaxies, and assumptions of number of planets, is a dissonant conflation because life is, as a percentage of material and time, even on the one planet we know life exists on, a fleetingly rare occurrence as to be of practically nonexistent. Yet, despite these facts we exist. The vast majority of the universe is not conducive for life. The vast majority of time and conditions possible for materials to exist are not obviously conducive for life. Given the above even in the present circumstances of the existence of life on this planet nearly non of the materials that exist on the planet are DNA, lipids, or proteins. We cannot take a bottle of “life” chemicals and create life, much less have it occur spontaneously. We cannot create lipids, DNA or proteins, the building blocks of life, much less have them occur spontaneously. Thus the time and conditions but also the chemistry is unknown to us. The amount of chemistry that is life today is therefore so rare that it cannot be duplicated in a laboratory. Chiral forms of the chemistry of life is a puzzle of life we don’t understand. No life has ever been created from chemistry in a laboratory. No life has been restored to cells already dead. If you think we know nearly everything you’re about as correct as a percentage as the time conditions and the percentage of material that are life. To consider that the nothingness that is a Random quantum fluctuation , a Rogue wave , and the resulting entropy, set the conditions ( which we clearly do not understand) to create life once and only once on a speck of dust relatively that is the earth, with as little matter of that speck as to be nearly nonexistent even on that speck to the point that all humans and all the intelligence of all humans ever to have existed could not figure out , understand or create life from that knowledge. Nothingness as a rogue wave more intelligent than all humans ever. To think that nothingness accidentally created everything and the conditions so precise that the most intelligent creatures of its creation are not capable of duplicating that accident is as credulous as any thought ever thought.

@klegs79

Ай бұрын

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@Shoerandomcanoe

Ай бұрын

You have been listening to James Tour too much, use google scholar I implore you.

Yep

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Considering the laws of thermodynamics, we assume the energy can either be created nor destroyed. If it cannot be created, then the universe must be eternal. If it cannot be destroyed, then the universe must be limited in time. If given entropy, we are in a midst state of entropy, and the entropy eventually dissipates all energy such that electrons protons subatomic particles, and even quantum fields will be so diffuse and dissipated that one field cannot touch another field. So given the possibility of an infinite universe in age, it could not exist in an energy state, where nothing can be created nor destroyed. Or we live in universe where space in energy was created in that creation disobey a general law of thermodynamics. If we live in universe, that is eternal, and given entropy/entropy all heat time, space, and energy over time space and energy would dissipate such that it would violate the word eternity or violate the understandings we have of creation and destruction. However, if we consider that at some time in the past, there existed no universe, but the universe was created. Then it was created with specific laws within that universe that we, as physical beings material beings, could not violate then space time and energy could only be a manifestation of a different realm, which could create or destroy space time and energy. If there is a creation of space time and energy, how did that space time and energy get created. Is there a physical law such that space time and energy can be created? The idea of quantum foam is an idea that there is something rather than nothing, and that that’s something is eternal because it is outside of space and time and only because it creates a flow pattern of space time and energy. Is it possible to have space time and energy. However, there is no property that we can attribute to such a foam that would initiate a rogue wave for instancethat would be so exact precise that it could create space time and energy such that he could offer the physical conditions necessary for life. /// Living fossils? Another piece of evidence for species maintaining species.

@naturfagstoff

Ай бұрын

The laws of thermodynamics apply to a universe that already exists, and can only be proven valid for a closed system within that universe. It states nothing about what laws might exist before that universe or after that universe,or how we might confirm these laws in a singularity, or in an infinite, seemingly energy void universe. We can always speculate.

The science of language includes sounds( phonations) phonemes, morphology(words)syntax, semantics, structures, literal and lastly pragmatic( contextual meaning). Language in its structure can have fractal meanings, with double, triple or more entendres ( meanings) given the same syntax, semantics structures, sounds, etc. Language is regarded as a representation of information. Words are not only sounds but transmit meaning. Transmission of meaning is a function of intent. Sounds and words can have meaninglessness by intent but when there is meaning there is necessarily intent. Sounds transmit action. Sounds are measured as frequencies and vibrations. Sounds and vibrations can act on reality. Chladni plates, cymascopes, oscilloscopes, etc are means of demonstrating the actionable properties of sound. Sounds can have particular shapes and patterns. These shapes and patterns are determined by the substances being acted upon as well as the substance acting. Water is a classic example of such actings visualized in cymascopes and oscilloscopes. Furthermore water not only can be acted upon by sound but water also then produces sound. Multiple sources of frequencies, vibration can simultaneously act on water. Oceans are acted on by wind, earth crust ( earthquakes and volcanoes, tectonic plates and subsurface dynamics) , gravity and electromagnetic fields, etc. Water crashing on a beach creates sounds as well as patterns in sand or rock. Sounds as spoken can have structural topology. This topology itself has transmitting effects( these effects can have effects into and beyond the structure directly acted on.. ocean waves caused by earthquakes can transmit patterns on land, sand and rocks not acted on directly by the earthquake, etc.). Now then consider the fractal nature of language and the fractal nature of sound. If sound is an operative of words and therefore language then such sounds can transmit intent by their meaning. Given the above consider: In the beginning was the word( a word as a form of expression of meaning and intention) and the word was with God, and the word was God( when you speak your words are you and the spirit of your intentions and so then the words, sounds of the words having meaning by God’s intention are transmitted information). The same ( word) was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him( the word of God as God); and without him was not anything made that was made( all things then are made by the word, sound, frequency, vibration, as language , as information transmission, as God/ I am that I am, as in to be to be, God as existence itself, being as the primary category of existence, that being spoke into existence all other being/ being the creator of all other being is not the same as being that other being ( not a oneness of all things .. not a Buddhist proposition). In him( the word as God, in the word was life/ life is spoken into existence) was life; and the life was the light of men( life as light, in the word was life which was light/ light is the fundamental being ( object as wave particle… as a something which exists… which has structure and is a transmitter of information/ light as a particle, as spherical, an object with a surface which surfaces can carry-transmit information). And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not( this is a necessary understanding, darkness is not light and darkness is not a transmitter of information by structure in the way that light is a transmitter of information… therefore darkness does not comprehend light information). …And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, ( and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Understanding this now consider: In the beginning ( or when, in the beginning) God created the Heaven ( singular) and earth( what are the ancient Hebrew words for black holes, galaxies, dust clouds… the universe?/ these words did not specifically exist but given the fractal nature of words and language it can be, and is understood to be, that “the Heaven and earth “ has fractal meaning in that it represents the concept of the universe as a whole and that at the beginning the conditions were set by which the earth was created). And the earth was without form, and void( again as fractal meaning the earth was set in its place even at the creation before there was a universe per se/ given the fractal nature of language ( as I will consider throughout) when earth is presented in this manner it can be understood as meaning both the earth itself and the universe because by necessity the earth is part of the universe/ was without form = without morphology, shape, etc. and void… was actually not of physical substance… again fractal read is that both the earth was of no physical substance nor was the universe, and the earth as well as the universe was without shape, morphology = form) : And darkness was upon the face of the deep ( recall that darkness is without understanding… without understanding if the light because light transmits information via structure, topology. What is the “face of the deep”? Does deepness have a face? What is a face? A face is a structure, a topology, a morphology. But herein that structure, morphology was dark, which is the absence of light. Yet there was a face of the deep… a structure of the universe, nay but a structure into which the universe could expand into with light which could and would travel and transmit information from God as the word which was before creation but was the creator as the word with the creator God( to be to be.. the essence of existence)). And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters( again fractal read, the face if the water has been interpreted as the surface of the ocean but the fractal reading is the water is a category as well as a type of substance. Here we have introduced the spirit of God. The spirit is like the wind moving to and fro whether you know not where it blows… so the spirit of God is the transmission of the word as in frequency, energy and vibration… acting on liquid/ plasma matter-energy. Fractal as acting upon h2O as well as molten metal, lava the earth as well as the universe… God in this chapter of Genesis has compacted information which was interpreted in literal terms as a particular meaning framed within a paradigm and that paradigm projected that interpretation through time without the understanding of a present paradigm but because of the fractal nature of language it represents truth through both interpretations within those disparate paradigms ( genius supreme). Recall the highest order of language is not literal but pragmatic. In this function of pragmatic interpretation a fractal nature as well as a categorical interpretation lends to understanding as to be scientifically precise. / acting on liquid the flow of information and energy moving on the face= morphology, shape… shaped the universe and necessarily the earth and liquid of earth… again recall that sound as waves can impart action through other on other things( earthquakes->water-> land) as such the liquid forms structures, patterns on which the next wave can function… words with sentences, paragraphs, storylines, books… information, progressions of information, iterations of information). So then before there was light the spirit of God acting on plasma/liquid energy flows( spirit winds) generated the structure into which light and subsequently life could flow and grow as iterations. And God said( the word as information, iterated onto/into the structure of the plasma/liquid energy created by the movement of the spirit of God), Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light( observer perspective/action/quantum effects), that it was good( what is good, goodness, evil, evilness? Here the fractal meaning is philosophical as in John 1: 9-11, That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came into his own, and his own received him not. ( darkness cannot comprehend light)): And God divided the light from the darkness ( not separated but divided them. Could this possibly mean? We understand the universe to be expanding and expanding at a particular rate, the cosmological constant. The rate at which the universe is expanding is faster than the speed of light. What is faster than the speed of light? The speed of dark is faster than the speed of light. So then consider that by God dividing the light from the dark we consider 1/137 as that division of light from dark.) . And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. ( Here we are amazed at the reality of fractal and pragmatic functions of language. Neither the Sun nor the Moon have yet been created, so then what is this supposed to mean Day and night and evening and morning? If no where else but here it is understood that there is pragmatic and fractal meaning herein. Thus we move into a compaction of information understood in terms of categories. ) The next two “day”’s are the creation of Heaven and earth again (?) I will not give the fractal interpretation here but understand that it is so precise in its science that I do not feel compelled to give such information. Be that as it may the categories remaining are sufficient in fractal interpretation as to be remarkable and like the 5th chapter of genesis have meaning beyond literal interpretation. The end of the first chapter of genesis is key to understanding that the text is fractal. The image in which you are made is the lock that opens the fractal nature of the text.

@rac7773

Ай бұрын

Wonderful logic. TY.

And I dont hear many of these OOL researchers talking about why organisms develop reproduction process and dedicate so much hardware and biological function to achieve reproduction. These researchers cant explain how the simplest organism came about, then ignore the vastly more complex feature of reproduction.

@danstinson7687

2 ай бұрын

WHY REPRODUCE?

@anonCharlies

2 ай бұрын

Yes. The researchers don't have idea how life came on earth. Why not able to find any missing links. How male and female created.

@DartNoobo

Ай бұрын

​@@anonCharliespfff, easy. It evolved. Now give me grant money.

@Shoerandomcanoe

Ай бұрын

⁠@@danstinson7687reproduction is one of the qualifications for life. So it’s not when did this living thing decide it wanted to reproduce, it reproduced and performed other functions so we say it posses life or is living. The first living thing was probably RNA . Sexual reproduction offers more genetic variation making it easier for species to adapt and thus survive. There are multiple possibilities for how these things could have happened but it’s pretty hard to explain in a comment that’s why OOL researches publish papers.

@Shoerandomcanoe

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@anonCharliesthey have multiple possible theories. There have been many many “links” found. 2 sets of genes make adaptation easier.

They could still have a job, showing all the ways that cells cant come naturally from chemicals.

So if all these models don't work. I feel I'm justified in saying, in the beginning God created. Why not.

@DartNoobo

Ай бұрын

To be justified beyond stating a hypothesis you need to provide some evidence. This is what ID movement is working on.

No new species: How to maintain speciesism Reproduce your genome until it creates the species Btw the plants doing specific polyploidy functions MAINTAIN the species How is it that a cockroach and rats can reproduce, after nuclear radiation,with mutations such that they become multi ploidy in order to maintain morphology and function and RNA or DNA have primacy or a selective function? Where in the genome does a spider make its web? Where in the genome is the code for morphology? If form is function and function is what is selected for and morphology is not coded for then what is being selected? If a flatworm can be mixaploidy and maintain function and morphology how does DNA have primacy? If the fewest genes that a cell can have to sustain life is around 400 but it has to have additional DNA to have reproductive function how can RNA or DNA have primacy ? If it takes 400 genes to simply maintain the life of a cell then how did 400 genes of function either come about and how could that matter if the cell couldn’t replicate? What was the function of the protein that was first coded by RNA or DNA from which a selection could be made? One functional protein much less 400+

@DartNoobo

Ай бұрын

Your questions show that you simply don't understand the problem at hand! You don't know how evolution works! I will not elaborate so as to save my implied intellectual superiority.