A lot, maybe too much consideration is given to some of this stuff. The song, the song, the song and the song twice on Sunday. Thriller would have moved exactly the same 10s of millions of units had he sang it thru an SM57. So at least for me, I’m confident with the Townsend and Slate stuff. They’re certainly good enough to take over the world with.

@christopheroneilmusic9867

Жыл бұрын

you said it better than me haha. So true. Song and performance.

@TheWinterwraith

Жыл бұрын

💯%. The songs barely gets a look in most ‘music’ discussions online. Go on any kind of forum and people are obsessing about ‘how do I the tone of…’. Never how to craft a good song, just how to replicate someone else’s sound. That’s no way to produce anything new or original. Just my 2p.

@ELISHACAEZ

Жыл бұрын

You are wrong though, It wouldn't have been the biggest record of all time if it wasn't an engineering masterpiece like it is. That's the replay value, it makes the room have the vibe you want whenever you bump that album at a party. I think maybe you just haven't heard enough rooms and made enough events to fw it like that. If the room sounds trash it takes everyone out the experience

I have the Sphere and the Slate modelers. I view them as colors (just like being a painter). I never thought they would be exactly like the original. That was never the point. These were a cost effective way of having multiple colors that could work on multiple sources.

@BarryJohns

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

Client of mine has the Townsend L22 and has brought it over a bunch. That’s a quality piece as well for sure! I kind of like the dual capsule situation that allows you to select polar patterns after the fact along with adjusting proximity effect etc. 👌🏻 Will be very curious to see what universal audio does next with that, along with the next generation of Apollo…

Hi Barry, thanks for the video. I own both the Slate VMS 1 and the Townsend Labs system and I totally agree that the TL recreates de modeling so much better. I just feel that the differences in the modeled microphones are much more audible as youd expect between a U47 and a 251 let's say. On the other hand I do agree that with the modeled system you are not getting the exact same sound but they sure as hell are getting VERY close. BUT I also think that the industry is always focusing on creating a nostalgia demand for past equipment but it lacks focus on really innovating into something that can become the new standard. IMO.

Great point. I have the Manley Core and have been looking at the reference mic a while now so as to have a "different sound".

Great discussion as always! The end of the video is the best 😂

Great point at 10:00. Using plugins and modelers give you a taste for the hardware. Just bought my 2nd piece of outboard after using SSL plugins for years and years. On the flip side, after borrowing my friends JP2C and comparing it to the Fractal model amp, I talked myself out of buying the physical amp so this can work both ways.

Actually, Antares Mic Mod was the first software company to do mic modeling. Also, DIY is a better option if you know how to solder. There are some kits out there that you can build like a tank. And you can build a mic in the $700-$1000 mic that does rival one that’s $5K-$10k. The components in a U87 don’t justify the cost. The name does. In 2022-2023 the best retail Mic for any project, home and new professional studio is the Lewitt 1040. I would chose this mic over the U87, today. I have a U87 and even my high end Grammy winning unlimited budget clients want to use the 1040 over anything I have now. Including my vintage Sony and that’s saying something. U87 is tried and true and is a legend. If you “really” want one but can’t afford on, build one! Even if it takes you a year. All the way to the power supply. The schematic are on the internet. You will get a better understanding of what makes a mic do what it does. This is what qualified you as a true engineer back in the day. Engineers built gear! But that’s a different topic. Thanks again Barry for a thought provoking video ❤

@retepretep3014

Жыл бұрын

Yes I used Antares back in the day 👍

@michaelhedden9437

Жыл бұрын

I'm very interested in the DIY option. I'm about to start researching this but do you have any recommendations or resources that you could share to help point me in the right direction? TIA!

@steel6322

Жыл бұрын

Do you recommend a kit like microphone parts, or building from scratch?

I’m a big fan of the Sphere capabilities and sound. The signal chain into an Apollo is also one of the clearest, cleanest and quietest signal chains for something very detailed. I love the 251 Putnam model through UAD Neve pre. It’s good enough to win a shootout between my km184s through RND5211. I prefer my Beyer and Royer ribbon mics to the emulation obviously. My Mojave ma200 or 414xlii or UTfet47 might win out over the emulation but maybe not for some reasons like stereo capability and polar pattern adjustments that can be done post tracking.

Manley Reference all day! Love that mic!

Amazing video once again!

Barry I agree if your on a budget you take your choice I have a LS 22 it’s just for me and it does me well

@joeydego2

Жыл бұрын

I have 3 of them and they’re a godsend. Even if they dont replicate 100%, the room correction and attenuation you can do in the plugin is invaluable just by itself.

The Townsend Labs is extremely close to the Sony C800, I’ve used the real thing. I can’t tell the difference in a mix. I haven’t used the actual other classic mics but based on hearing examples on KZread the 251 is so close I can’t tell the difference. The other models sound great as well and even if they are not exact, it sounds great. If you look on the old Townsend labs KZread you’ll see the pros using it for artists like Rich the Kid and Gunna

The other thing to keep in mind is that there are a LOT of people who pick specific mics for specific jobs because they just use what everybody else uses. It's kind of a self-propagating thing, probably because certain companies won the marketing & placement battle a really long time ago. If you want to try something, go ahead and try it. See what happens. Just don't avoid recording because you can't afford some random expensive thing. It's never just about the gear.

@BarryJohns

Жыл бұрын

Read Al Schmitt’s book, you may walk away with a different opinion.

Oh something else about the Townsend that has nothing to do with the modelling. The stereo function is so amazing. Recording an acoustic guitar, in stereo with one mic and it sounds awesome. Being able to dial in the off axis etc. later only adds to its appeal. Additionally, it's ability to impressively compensate for issues like poorly treated rooms and/or (in my case) reflection filters like the Aston halo is another functional benefit without even trying to model a mic. And lastly, the mic itself sounds awesome without modelling.

@ciscofuentes1428

Жыл бұрын

That's the comment right there I was waiting for! The sphere is a great sounding mic without doing all the modeling. Like it's up there with any other 1200 mic just on its own but then you get the modeling as well.

Fwiw, I think your crystal ball regarding UA stuff is spot on. I tried the Townshend and thought it was great for what it is...yet I always reached for my Chandler TG mic, etc. ...so I returned the Townshend. I would rather invest in a small collection of dedicated mics. That said, maybe the new version will change my mind.

Fair comments, and great points. but i'll say.... Borrow or get hold of a C800 and compare to the Sphere C800 emulation. I cannot tell the difference myself.... and when in a mix, its' almost impossible. The beauty of the Sphere is the flexibility of the system AND the sounds of the emulations. 95% of the sound of those mic's is close enough for me to save 10's of thousands of dollars of the real thing. plus the MAIN fact... I hate having to keep going in and out of the booth to change up the mic's for talent. that costs time and money (And patience). With the L22 its almost instant to trial a voice on a singer, or I just record with no emulation and mess around with flavors AFTER recording. That level of flexibility is why I love my L22's even though the sound isn't 100% identical to the real thing.

Been waiting for something like this !!

@MusaRecordings

Жыл бұрын

But no one talks about expensive DIY mics

@BarryJohns

Жыл бұрын

That’s because a very low percentage will consider that option due to being concerned with their ability to do it. We know it’s not hard, but then again, I’m handy with a Soldering iron.

@MusaRecordings

Жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns why have I never used one yet feel completely confident I can use one from watching so many KZread videos… lol

I’ve used the Apogee hypemic on tracks that have gone Gold. It really comes down to what sounds good on what voice. At the end of the day, the listener doesn’t care what gear was used, a good record is a good record.

The L22 deal was to clear out models badges as Townsend, so they could rebrand/relabel as UA, and put out other models.

But I do also have the Slate mic and have gotten tons of use out of it and like having it around :)

For me and for the price, I'm better off with mid budget mics for use of only vocals that I use mics for. I'm just now starting to work on my mic purchases beyond my NT1 😂. That 800.00 tag for the Slate just makes me want an 800.00 name for that same price. As always, love your insight.

@buddyalbert5808

Жыл бұрын

Let me know when you can pick out a U87 from a Sphere L22 U87 in a mix. I’ve used both and I am completely satisfied with the Sphere L22.

@jonkthompson

Жыл бұрын

@Buddy Albert, I'm thinking you misunderstood my comment. I can't afford either one. The Townsend is 1200.00, the Slate is 800.00. For what I do, I'd rather spend 800.00 for a mid-level mic that sounds good.

@milesmesser7135

Жыл бұрын

The NT1 is a fantastic microphone to start out with. I wouldn’t stress too much about upgrading unless you’re making money off your work (or unless you have a comfortable budget). When I finally upgraded from my NT1 to a Neumann TLM103, I still used the NT1 on about 30-40% of people, it’s that good. Now I own a U87 and barely use the NT1 anymore, but it is a phenomenal mic for the price.

@buddyalbert5808

Жыл бұрын

@@jonkthompson Oops! 😊 I accidentally replied to your comment. I meant to post it under the main comments for the video. I apologize for the confusion. Take care

You always have "Sound" advice! I own an outboard Antaries AVP-1 and a dbx Provocal and do not own a really good mic to compare them with. I am happy with clean flat sound, all the rest is just flavour.

Sounds like the time when I found about DAW’s like Fruity loops, ProTools. Analog vs digital. Kinda a mute point because music consumers just don’t know or care which mic was used, all they know that the song rocks. We argue in the studio about this all the time. Music consumers always win, not the engineers. It just has to be “good enough”.

I am 65 and have been a hardcore recording nerd for decades. I have had a home studio of some sort since 1978. It's obvious that I grew up with and learned using analog gear. My first mic was a SM58 then I got some SM57's. My first quality mic was a Neumann U89. After getting that I was spoiled. That was before good mikes were affordable so I either did without or just rented good ones when they were needed. Some of my mic purchases were just too good of a deal to pass up so I bought them anyway without being familiar with them but that wasn't the norm. I ended up selling some of them. If you really want to figure out what quality mic you want to buy I recommened saving up and using some of your budget renting whatever mikes you are interested in before buying one. That goes for hardware as well. It will save you money in the long run. You can rent a lot of mikes, a number of times, for much less than what a Neumann or even a LDC clone costs. I have an extensive mic locker these days filled with many hi-end, and vintage mikes, as well as clones. I rented many mikes before making my selections so I would know what purchases I wanted to save up for. I am intrigued by the mic modeling units on the market today but living near Nashville, I can still rent ridiculously expensive vintage mics for a very reasonable price from Blackbird. I realize not everyone has a studio like that nearby to rent quality gear but it is worthwhile to seek it out to see what is available. I have rented U47's and U48's, C12's, and many different ribbon mikes over the years. I would have spent well over $100k to buy them which is WAAAAAAY out of my price range and un-reachable but, I got to use them on my recordings and are familiar with the character they provide as a result of renting them. Instead of buying a mic modeling system my personal needs are pretty well fulfilled these days so I would just buy clones but that's just me. If I didn't have a good mic selection already I would definitely consider a modeling mic system.

Barry, how would you compare the clone WA-47 compared to the mic modelers 47 (Slate or UA Sphere) ...

What audio interface would you (or anyone in the comments) recommend for someone like me? I have a very powerful pc with a rtx3090, intel 12900k cpu, 32g of ram, ddr5, ableton 11 suite, and intend to mostly do EDM. I have a novation sl 49 keyboard, ableton push 2, and I'm about to buy some yamaha HS8s, and Beyerdynamic DT 1990 pros. I don't really care to use analog instruments. Any advice is greatly appreciated 🙏

I have the Antelope Edge Duo, and have experience with both the Slate and the Antelope; the Edge as a stand alone mic is a really great mic. The software as it stands, I mostly prefer the AA LAVA, the sound is exquisite as a combination. Mic wise? Edge, Townsend Labs and Slate; Software wise? Lava, Townsend Labs, Edge, Mic Mod EFX and then Slate. Make no mistake, they're all pretty great sounding but the Lava just sounds like the actual mics that I own. I do have the Neuman TLM 107, U87 Vintage, C800 and some other less costly but very impressive mics. In full transparency, I do run the Edge through the antelope Mic Pre-amp accompanied by the ZULU, the 1073 clone or the Manley VB and they all sound gr8

😊years back I picked up two complete, matched sets of Korby KAT 5. Each set has 5 hot swappable capsules that were made in the spirit of some very classic mics- U47, U67, C12, 251, C800. Tracy Korby was a gifted mic builder. I had no idea what the real mics sounded like, but totally loved the tone and color of the mics and capsules. I have multiple Neumann mics, 3 of which are tube mics. I personally favor the Korby mics. It is too bad KORBY’s life was cut short. Changing out capsules was such a great approach. Anyway, I have seen the Korby mics go for a fraction of their value because Korby is no more and his genius was never recognized.

i use the new WA-87R2 it fits my voice perfect its sits well in mixes like the real U87s i have lots of experience with modern rap. The only reason i choose the CLONE over the emulation was because the close uses the same inside components like a fairchild transistors . ive uses Akg c214 , manely , sony c800, rode nt1a , avactone c12 , shure 58, at2020, and it keeps goin on and on. ive tried my rap vocals on so many mics . for some reason this WARM AUDIO U87R2 mic is probably the best mic ive used its so good i can tell you its better then the 87Ai and just slightly as good if not Equal to the Sony c-800 for rap vocals for 600$! JUST MAKES it BETTER

As far as a 251 clone upton makes a kickass 251

I’m only recording my vocals That Acustica Audio Lava mic mod system is good. I have the Warm Audio wa87, Avantone CV-12, Rode NT1000 and the Shure SM7b. I’ve never used a ELaM 251 but the AA makes my CV-12 sound better. I doubt that it sounds like the real McCoy but it sounds good

I have Neuman U47 clone, done by Michael Jolly, it's just a K47 capsule in a open style grill, that is amazing, and it screws on 50 dollar pencil mic (I have old MXL pencil mic) and it changed my whole vocal chain over 15 years ago. I stopped chasing pre-amps, some make it shine more, but I haven't seen a mic pre that makes this mic sound bad. No sibilance. Powerful midrange and full bodied low end. I literally boost highs if I want more airy-ness No plugin can do that.

I think it's better to get one great mic than having a lot of descent mic, you can still work with the great mic, like a C800G clone for example

FYI, Well over a decade ago TASCAM has a machine SX-1 that emulated microphones. This box was marketed just before DAWs took center stage.

The thing I think of is what about hybrid systems where one maybe using a preamp as well as compressors for their microphone on the way in to the computer. Wouldn’t Mic mods be the worst pic?

@BarryJohns

Жыл бұрын

Yes in that situation for sure. It’s the way I track most things, otherwise it becomes a hardware insert.

The Lewitt mics are awesome check them out

@BarryJohns

Жыл бұрын

Yes they are! Amazing bang for the Buck!

Slightly unrelated but I picked up a Fender Mustang IV GTX100 a couple weeks ago. Blown away by this digital amp. Traditional amps days are numbered.

I wonder if you compare 3 old u87's , would they be close together in sound or totally different. By the way, the saying build like a tank is not so positive since the Ukrainian war.

@tyerac

Жыл бұрын

I've trialed an original and an 87AI, and they WERE different.

Remember slate mic modelaction system will not work alone side the apollo preamp model..so therefore u would use a clone mic instead.. Bcuz Remember the model mic av to work with the preamp to get tht flat sound so therefore avid or a apollo systems would not fit their

@BarryJohns

Жыл бұрын

That’s not how it works, if you go through a mic preamp on the majority of interfaces you’re going to be going through tue mic pre. That’s why you would go into the line input.

@kevinmusic41

Жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns and therefore those nice preamp colors u would not get tru tht line input.. so right there u would use a clone to do the job than a mic.. One question... out of getting the mic tone r the preamp tone which one would u prefer even though they both needed but some pple stuck in the budget ...so which one would u go for?

@kevinmusic41

Жыл бұрын

Bcuz u both need the preamp to capture tht good sound to convert it and u also need the mic to take it to the preamp. But remember we at the mic modelING and the preamp modeling... It also av to do with wat u working on stil n your thing you going for

@BarryJohns

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinmusic41 I don’t think you understand how these work. They have built-in preamps already on them. They are not designed to work with unison pre’s. For the record I’ve done this quite a bit. I’m both a UAD interface and I’ve been a long time ProTools HD/ultimate user for decades. Never any issues.

@kevinmusic41

Жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns I do.. I own uad plugins and hardware so I do kno what I am saying you just dnt understand the point I am trying to share or probably you just don't want to understand... But anyway I love your channel watch your videos nuf respect 🙏

Hey Barry … thanks for another great video … this is exactly the question in my head these days..one thing I’m wondering is, to my ears, the modeling system was lacking especially when compared to a tube based clone … especially when I compared to WA-67 … maybe I’ve bought too much into the hype 🤣

I was in the market for my next step up in vocal mics as Im still kinda a newbie and I was ready,watched a ton of videos on youtube .Wanted something in the $200-$400 range,it was close between a few..but somehow the Aston Spirit kept calling me. Interesting...2 yrs. ago it was selling for $450,but now at Sweetwater $349, butalso strangely a 5 yr.anniversary version $100 cheaper,huh? then ..Amazon wanted $293,and they had a like new/ used for $253 and if I would sign up for their Amazon Rewards Card I would get $60 off my purchase,got that one and with tax Im at $210,free shipping and a 12 month 0% interest financing $17+ a month....It should be here by Tues. I'm kinda anxious...

Barry have you heard of Dave Pearlman mics

@BarryJohns

Жыл бұрын

Yes, a huge fan, I own a TM-1, want the Church Mic!

My apologies this is not for everyone but If you live in the NYC area, you can go to some stores and test these microphones like @ B&H in NYC.

@BarryJohns

Жыл бұрын

Few people are in that situation.

I have a test for you. U87 vs sm57. You tell me which one was used. Pretty eye opening to great mixes frequency separation etc. and well written songs. I went down the gear addiction which was fun. I ended up getting Dr Dre vocal signal chain. Soundelux u67. Avalon 737 la2a. Universal audio limiter. Some fun gear. I got all the gear and my music sucked. Now I hear covers and originals on KZread with $1000 in gear and they compete with $$$$$$ home studios it’s shameful how good some peeps r on KZread with no gear. That’s my goal produce 3-5 songs myself Vs gear. No songs or they sound like shit. I mix on a 100k mixer at my church FOH. And great musicians do wonders

@Damianthelovetour2024

Жыл бұрын

Love the channel by the way keep up the videos !!!!

I’m not in favor of modeling OR clones. A few points: A) despite modeling many mics, you can only use one at a time. For the cost of a Townsend ($1200) you can buy 3-4 good mics and use them simultaneously. B) someday that modeling plugin will not run on your DAW or OS. C) do we really need a huge collection of vintage mics? Has anyone ever completed a mix and thought “damn - I should have used a u67 instead of a u87 on that acoustic guitar.” I don’t think so. I once worked with a Lawson 251 clone. Sounded great - stunning. But if I decided to buy one it would be for the Lawson, not chasing some dream of owning a 251. Just my two cents.

Electronic components have come a long way. It’s not as expensive to produce approximately the same mic as it was back then. Saying mic clones don’t measure up to the real thing is like saying Behringer synth clones don’t sound like their original counterparts, just because they are relatively affordable. We all know that is not the case. I own a WA-67 (which is not actually a particularly cheap mic, at $900,) and I think it’s wonderful, and can’t tell much difference from all the comparisons i’ve heard online with the original one, and I have no trouble using it in place of my U87ai, depending on the singer. Would rather trust a good piece of hardware based on a timeless design, than some piece of software, that will be obsolete in a few years. I enjoy software emulations, but I don’t believe they are quite there yet.

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Clone mic go with apollo n avid......so it do have its space Mic modelING go with the expensive apollo r dsp interface.. both have their space..

I like My Slate Digital Mic Even More Then My Neumann TLM 103 That Cost About 2 Times More And To Give a Shout Out To SWEET WATER They Are So Awesome With Their Customer Service Bot 2 Open Box / Used This From Them 1 Was a Waves Digigrid IOS Audio Interface and The Slate Mic At Sprite Times But The Audio Interface Something Was Wrong With The Firmware And The Mic Had a Buzzing Sound and It Was Not My XLR Cable BUT SWEET WATER Sed Here is a Free Return Label And They Sent Me a Brand NEW Interface and Brand NEW Mic NOT USED And They Give You Free Tech support For Every Thing You Buy From Them I Love Sweet Water Awesome

Eh I think there’s a little bit of buying into the hype on the other end too. I highly highly doubt there’s a $10K difference in sound quality. The Townsend has very nice build quality too.

@BarryJohns

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I don’t disagree, to a point, depends on the project. For a home studio, no. As to the build quality of the Townsend, I was referring to the clones, not the modelers.

Write a great song and perform it with emotion. Capture it with proper technique. Do that and none of those choices will be bad. The average person will not know or care what it 'would have sounded like' if it was made with the real deal. It won't influence whether somebody likes your song or not. The only things that influence that in 2022 are if your song is bad, the performance is bad, the sound captured is bad or the mix is bad. Gear is not the mitigating factor in any of those circumstances in my opinion. It should only serve as an enhancement. A vintage U87 is over 10,000 dollars. What are you going to do? Stop making music until you've saved 10,000 dollars to buy one? Are you going to go into debt? I own the Townsend. I just bought it actually and did so for the reasons in this video. I don't have 100k to spend on a locker full of vintage mics. If I did I would. I can afford 1500 for close approximations that sound good and give me a variety of colours though. I don't have vintage mics to compare it to but if you're asking yourself whether or not it compares to the vintage version you are asking the wrong questions in my opinion. The right questions should be: Was that performance worthy of the song's emotion or vibe? Does it sound good or does it sound bad? If it sounds good then what can I do to enhance it? If it sounds bad what can I do to fix it. I can tell you that none of the vocal or acoustic guitar recordings I've done so far sound 'bad' (ie brittle, harsh, boomy etc.) Would they sound better through a real C12 and real Neve 1073 into tape? Probably. Am I going to let that stop me from making music? Nope.

some clones....there are builders who do property duplicate they are more expensive

Or Mojave ma200

Oh...Man! Don't get me started on this topic! Thanks for the video Barry. I'm gonna' pass on this one but I'll look forward to the next one.

While the mic modelling systems are tempting and there are certainly good arguments for going that route, I personally wouldn’t want to tie myself to anything that relies on a computer/OS to function. A good mic will probably last 20, 30, 50 years or more. Just like a good tube amp will last decades. But will software support last that long? I doubt it. Now don’t get me wrong, I use all sorts of plugins and modelling systems and they really have come a long way. Guitar amp modelling in particular is fantastic. But if I’m going to invest a substantial sum in a piece of gear, I want to be sure it’s going to last the rest of my lifetime, and not be redundant as soon as Apple pulls the plug on a particular OS or system architecture.

@BarryJohns

Жыл бұрын

Remember, this is between clone mics and modeling. Clones mics won’t last anywhere near that long as the build quality is no close. If you are talking about higher quality mics, that’s the way to go for those that can afford it.

The exact replication thing has been out the window since plugins. 90% of the folks will never even hear the real deal. Most of the hardware clones sound nothing like the original either. The only thing that matters is does it sound good on its own.

I feel like Universal Audio is going to kill our Sphere L22. :'-(

@joeydego2

Жыл бұрын

They’ll just rebrand it. It’s a great mic.

see Beesneez...

Always remember, the sales price of a product has nothing to do with the cost to manufacture. I refuse to buy a modeling system simple because I know that one day in the future the software will not work on new hardware rendering the system worthless. For me, clones are the way to go even though, at the end of the day it will cost me more.

@tyerac

Жыл бұрын

But you can say the same thing about plugins too. OR even preamp hardware like the Apollo etc, with ever changing interface connections like USB3, thunderbolt etc.

@AdventureswithJack453

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@@tyerac Correct, My point is that you need to think long and hard about buying any product that will become useless sooner rather than later. I find that their are always alternatives. That's why I prefer clones over modelers and hardware over plugins. For you, it may make sense. For me, it doesn't.

@tyerac

Жыл бұрын

@@AdventureswithJack453 understood, and agree 100%. There WILL come a time when the software isn't supported anymore, potentially bricking the hardware, so I totally agree with you.

There is nothing magic about any mic, everything can be explained, it's electronics, and music was not better back in the day, the production was better, but the music tools are way better nowadays. Now about the Mic clones subject even 2 u87 will sound different. I am using the Advanced audio CM800T and i don't know if it's as close as you would want it to be, but people having also the C800G could not tell the difference on Gearspace ( gearslutz), so it's not that obvious, and this is all that you need to know, to buy a clone, knowing that it will be really close to the original, to give you the "sound", the "mood". To talk about the price, we really need to talk about marketing, distribution, etc, you are not only paying for the components inside the mic, it's maybe 20 % of the prices. The company that are making the best one for descent price, like Advanced audio don't have an expensive website, send their mic like anyone would send it, talk to you by email, they don't have a lot of employee s, they have only 2 real places, one in CANADA, one in Europe, so if you think about every litte things like that , it's more than possible for them to sell it at this price, because it's not the same type of business model.

This is both full of truth and misinformation. A pinch too much of opinion ! I've personally used and tested a ton of clones and some have met vintage mics & Were blind test chosen over the original.

@joeydego2

Жыл бұрын

If it was chosen over the original, it doesn’t sound like the original!

@nicholasflores8100

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@@joeydego2 I've A/B a few things in life. I understand what you're saying. We all hear differently . . . Tons of variables. This conversation can go on for ages. Let's agree to disagree. You're right ! I'm also right ! Barry is also right !

@Joe_Rainey

Жыл бұрын

I agree, almost as if Barry is trying to justify his own preference for software emulations, and putting down hardware clones. As a fan of his videos i’m very disappointed.

The Manley Reference is overpriced. The Warm Audio 8000 sound better.

@BarryJohns

Жыл бұрын

Don’t agree, but we are all entitled to our opinion.

Really dont care for the mics, i rather just save and get the real thing

not a fan of mic emulation

Sorry but mic modeling systems aren’t as close as a good clone. And none are good he real thing. I’ve got slate, a real c800g and stam 800 and none sounded like the real deal.

@BarryJohns

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Brother, where in this video did I remotely imply that they sound the same? Actually, if you watch the video I make it clear it’s unreasonable to think they will. As to as good, I repeat, if you watched the video you learn that if you are just recording your voice that I recommend a clone, but if recording various voices, that’s where a modeling mic will serve you better. Also, better, come on now, that’s very subjective and can vary greatly from one voice to the next.

@StarskiYall

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@@BarryJohns not sure why Toure taking offense to what I said. And I watch all your videos. I just think a clone sounds better than a modeling mic. I’ve yet to hear a modeling mic that was convincing to me. Of course this is just my opinion. I own a slate mic and I own a clone. I also own real mics. This has been my experience. I like your videos and like how you tell it like you see it

@nateb.6050

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How does the stam 800 better than the warm audio version of the c800

@StarskiYall

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@@nateb.6050 I don’t think it does. The warm sounds better I believe.

If I were the CEO of Fender and/or the CEO of Servco Pacific (which owns Fender), I would buy UAD. TODAY! Andy Mooney and Mark Fukunaga, are you listening? This would allow for the combination of both Presonus and UAD into a single unit that could completely and utterly revolutionize the musical hardware/software industry.