Best bit of Slough.....turnaround and leave 😂

My Trophy is coming in September, I loved watching all your vids on these cars. Your test on the Trophy is what I guessed it would do.

I have a SE Long Range, and today, I did a 210-mile trip at similar speeds (70-75mph), but it was 27 degrees celsius. I started with 100% and had 17% remaining at the end (air con used constantly). The display shows 3.9 miles per kw for that run, so the total possible if i continued along the motorway would have been around 250 miles range to 0% lol. I did discover on a previous journery that the reduced power kicks in at 3% SoC, and it's no longer able to run safely at single or duel carriage way speeds 😅. Luckily, i was near home on that deliberate test and on a 40mph road 😂

@maximilianholland

11 ай бұрын

I think the Trophy definitely has a bit lower efficiency than the regular LR.

@gingernutpreacher

11 ай бұрын

70-75 is that you're way of saying 80ish

These results closely match my experience of my Trophy; Budleigh Salterton to Wokingham, M5 M4 last Thursday evening. Driving at 67 mph extends to range quite nicely but, being the creature I am, when I have a good reserve of energy, I can’t resist travelling at a trifle over 70 mph for the later part of the journey…… Typically 25% charge left after 180 miles.

Good tests, thank you.

Ordered a Trophy spec yesterday, Drives really well comfortable given the price its a cracking car.

Thanks for a good range test review. I have a MG 4 Essence 64 (Australian version of the Trophy) with generation 2 software so has 1 pedal driving and a few updated different settings to yours. Only owned for 3 weeks and I travel about 100km daily at 110kmh plus a bit of about town stuff. Temperatures range from about 18 deg early morning up to 32 deg at 3pm. I charge to 80% every 3 days on my 7kW wall charger. Average battery usage with the aircon going is about 17.6 kWH/100kM. I am going on a 550kM trip at the end of October almost all on 110kMH road. The only problem is the charger network is not well developed yet due to the previous governments poor policies but is improving now. EVs now account for nearly 8% of sales compared to only 1.8% in 2022 so the revolution is starting. Love the MG4.

Great video, thanks for that, just what I wanted to know

Very informative; thanks a lot

Interesting comparison thanks. I have a Trophy which I've owned for 6 months and 6,500 miles. Outside temperature makes a noticeable difference with mine. In the winter I was averaging around 3.2 miles per KW. This month it' s more like 4.2 mpkw I drive a mix of local and motorway, but I generally keep it to about 65 on the motorway if the road is quiet enough. I would still choose the Trophy personally - the little bit of extra range is always useful for longer trips (I do a cross country 260 mile trip to East Anglia three or four times a year). I also prefer to have the extra kit - like a better speakers and the cameras. LKA is a bit of a pain - it sometimes misreads road repairs as white lines for example. I've found that if you turn it to the lowest setting, it stays there when you switch off. Overall, still happy with my car. 🙂

Had my MG4 about two weeks now and after having a Nissan leaf 30kw I'm very happy with the range so far. Did a trip from Hartlepool to Newcastle and Tynemouth and back and had plenty left. No range issues at all for me. Great video though.

@oliverskinner8962

11 ай бұрын

The 30kwh Nissan Leaf is a terrible car, we had one for 5 nearly 6 years and summer range went from 110 miles to 70 miles even with the BMS updates and 11 of 12 battery bars (it went up to 12 bars after the update for about 4 months but the range got worse after that). I'm glad you got rid of the Leaf like we did.

@fastfreddy19641

11 ай бұрын

@@oliverskinner8962 I had mine for six years and at the end had all battery bars. The car was great no problem with reliability and could do 120easy when I traded her in.

@decimal1815

10 ай бұрын

​@@fastfreddy19641EV driving style can make a big difference in user experience. I'm still a newbie but I'm learning to regulate my "gas" and get much improved efficiency.

Very good informative video. Not ready to take the plunge myself yet for an EV, but these MG motors seem great value if you want a new one. Look better inside and out than a Tesla y I test drove.

Great report nice to hear positive review on the mg4. I’ve got a 2008, 1970, but do have to be aware of its range limitations- So what in a couple of years time?

Trophy rear spoiler air drag which nocks at least 10miles off the range I've got long range MG4 I'm really please with ,Stuart keep your videos coming brilliant work cheers😊 23:02

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Thanks Stephen much appreciated. Congrats on ya Long Range!

Good solid testing..

@stuart_thomas

9 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Interesting real range test.

Good video

This car looks gorgeous in black 😮

Great test. All Manufacturer range claims should be based on a test like this. Maybe 70mph at 15 degC and the results published in miles/Km per KWhr. That would be truly meaningful. So now I know an MG4 can do approx 3.5 miles/kwhr. The (soon to be launched I hope) MG4 "Touring" will have a 77KWhr battery. That gives a real world Motorway range (based on your test) of 270 miles and an easy 300 mile range on A-roads and urban mix. That's quite a sweet-spot for me. 250 real-world miles with 20 miles in reserve or a couple of weeks pootling around town. I can't wait to see the same test if you get your hands on a "Touring" model.

You've solidified I want the touring, the longest thing I'll ever do is 200 miles but outside good weather the Trophy will struggle slightly for that. I'd love an XPower but 100 miles of range just to be a dick sometimes just isn't worth it.

Love the footage at 14.30, the subaru looks like the wheels aren't turning.

Interesting comparison but still wouldn’t want to try Manchester from Epsom without stopping!

Swap thouse skiny 215/65 r18 tyres with 245/45 r18 and you will get 150 miles of range if you go north not south ! Speaking from experience , owning a mg5 !😀

For the last few months ive been getting 4.2 miles per KW out of my Tesla Model 3 LR 2019 done 81k driving to work by myself. Always 70 on the motorway

Love your vids, taking my Trophy Sunderland to Boppard on the Rhine Germany, done it many times in an ICE mainly M135i M4 and a A35 AMG. About to find out find out how better or not the European charging network is, No 162mph Autobahn runs anymore but with the MG4 I won't be gassing fluffy bunny's behind me.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

That’s fantastic! I’m also heading to Europe in a few months looking forward to it. I wonder what it’s top speed is? I’m not convinced about MG and their marketing lol

@whatthe6532

9 ай бұрын

Given that Germany using a lot of coal for electricity, bunnies still getting gassed.

I already ordered black Trophy.

I love these videos. I want to see you tesla going the same range test

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the wonderful comments. I have range tested the long range M3 in winter which you can find on the channel

Again ! A challenge in your MG4 , all four extremities of Britain , The Lizard , Lowestoft Ness , Ardnamurchan lighthouse , Dunnet Head , in 2 days . One car , as many drivers as you like .

I have the MG4 Trophy also. I like it, but I will say I feel the heating system is VERY inefficient compared to the Hyundai Ioniqs I used to have. Those things were beasts, especially in summer. With the 38KW Ioniq I regularly saw 4-6m/KwH, and over 200 miles, was a real efficiency king. The MG also has some really iffy software quirks and bugs. Honestly, if I could have had the software/finesse of the Ioniq, and the hardware/battery size of the MG4, I'd have been super happy, I am hoping MG improve things along the way through software and firmware upgrades. If an Ioniq 3 comes out to replace the old OG Ioniq however, I may consider switching.

@ianjames3078

11 ай бұрын

No chance of a replacement for Ioniq 38……..gutted. Love my 38, had an mg4 lr se for 3 weeks but wasn’t a patch on the Hyundai with the leaks, undertray not fitting, software bugs, inefficiency etc. shame, the ride was great and fast charging excellent in the 1200 miles I did.

@alexrose1ukv2

11 ай бұрын

@@ianjames3078 yeah, there were a lot of rumours about an Ioniq 3 that got delayed by the pandemic, the 3 being the true replacement for the OG Ioniq. Honestly the MG is a nice car, but the Ioniqs were kings of efficiency, had great specs, and were well laid out in terms of kit. My only real caveats with the car were the lack of rear wiper (present on the MG4 also), gloss plastics everywhere, and Hyundai's sometimes poor customer service. The fact you can now do the software/maps updates yourself, except for the deeper firmware on the engine components reduces your need to even visit Hyundai. Honestly if the Ioniq 3 ever materialises, I will be very interested. 210-220 miles on a 38.3KwH just highlights how inefficient many EVs are by comarison, the MG Trophy does have longer range 200-270, but its taking a 61.8KwH battery to do it. 25% more range for 50% more battery. The MG is a decent drive, but it has a ton of software bugs, the LKA/TJA is borderline dangerous on english roads, so I tend to turn the TJA off, and its just plain inefficient by contrast. The bluetooth also has a real bad habit of refusing to connect, and it seems to be because the MG randomly completely changes MAC address on the Bluetooth, which is just stupid. More frustratingly, the OTA updates which could be used to resolve many of these bugs overnight, are not being used, and you have to get booked in with MG to get any updates they will give you.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Ioniq is a great car, I think it still has a place but it’s not an SUV which is what the market craves. I have been living with a Kona electric and an Ioniq 5 for a few weeks and they are fantastic. Kona would suit anyone jumping into an EV, I have fallen in love with the Ioniq 5. Styling, comfort and charging is on the money

Looks great. I’m collecting my trophy next week and it has a rear wiper ?

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

I hear it has the rear wiper although I thing you’ll rarely use it - perhaps in winter if you’re reversing???? Congrats on your trophy

I would have been happy with an SE long range if I could have added a rear camera. With no rear wiper and restricted visibility this stopped me buying one. Instead I went for an 18 month old Kona 64kwh, and am delighted with it. Plenty of power and decent efficiency averaging 4.6kw/mile since I bought it in April. I leave mine on Eco mode, and use maximum re-gen. So easy to drive and control, and with cheap overnight charging very inexpensive to run. One thing to note, the 4 year 40,000 mile service is very expensive. I understand that the cooling system is replenished ( the cost of the fluid is quoted at approx £250 and the service done under contract is over £500!!! That I did not expect. However still pleased with the car.

@stephenhunt5011

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the heads up on the 40k servicing cost. That's the first I have heard of that. If there were no other servicing costs. £500 spread over 40,000 miles is a negligible amount, but still a shock when they hand you the bill, if your not expecting it. £250 for the coolant seems expensive. What are they using, vodka?

👍

If you have a home charger, with a cheap associated overnight tariff, AND a range of 220 plus meets your lifestyle, then a small loss in efficiency is pretty insignificant given the cost of EVs. 4.6 versus 3.6 miles /kwh on a full charge gives a £1.33p saving on a 64 kw battery (intelligent octopus). I do about 7 charges a month at home. Just over £100 a year. Now look at the cost of an mg4 versus a kia e-niro or tesla.

I have a Kia e-Niro today I drove London to Northampton and back. Started with 100% battery and a range of 285, drove a total of 207 miles got a fantastic 4.9 miles per kw hour still have a range of 103 miles in the battery. Temp was 26c best car I’ve ever owned! Bought it in 2020 done almost 48k miles 😎

@markburton8303

5 ай бұрын

What speed was that at? It must have been 50-60mph max - Considering this MG (fairly similar), pretty much perfect conditions did 3.4m/kwh

@Ray.842

5 ай бұрын

@@markburton8303 no 75 until I hit the 50mph zones norm 5mph over the limit unless traffic doesn’t allow. I’ve been very impressed with my Niro.

@markburton8303

5 ай бұрын

@@Ray.842 sounds great tbh. I've got a chance of an Enyaq (which is a bit of a beast), the 80kwh big battery version and theoretical range of 320miles. But, it's on the VW architecture that seems to do about 3.4miles/kwh at best. That's not to be sniffed at, but you are monstering that. What average m/kwh are you getting?

@Ray.842

5 ай бұрын

@@markburton8303 atm I’m getting 4.3 m/kwh the best I’ve ever got and it’s only ever been twice, I’ve had my car 31/2 years is 6.0 but it was very warm 25 ish degrees in the summer I normally get 5-5.4 ( summer time) thats all local driving not motorway.

I don’t know how I feel about this. I drive with my trophy on the motorway 3-4 days every week and my average is 4.5 or even 4.7kwh. Obviously I drive around 60-65 on M1 between 27 to 37. So my experience are much different/better.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

It’s amazing how much 10mph makes.

I do have a Trophy which is a Great car, I only wishing would be a little better at motorway speed. I love the looks and the extra Kit so its the price I paid. Still a Great car.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Hi mark I assume you’re referring to efficiency? Having said that with the exception of Tesla M3, even the efficient Korean cars are very similar

@markbray3038

11 ай бұрын

@@stuart_thomas thats the word I could not think of thanks. Efficiency around town and slower A roads its fine for us.

@alexrose1ukv2

11 ай бұрын

@@stuart_thomas this car does ~3-4 average KwH, during summer my Ioniq Premium SE 38.3 could achieve 4.5-5.5 quite regularly, averaging 5 or so, and sometimes even in region of 6 or so, and it was a noticeable jump, even at motorway speeds. Best I ever saw was about 220 miles roughly in that thing on one 38.3kwh usable battery charge, which makes this 61.8 battery car seem pretty dissapointing, given its averaging slightly less miles for many driving loads, with a battery thats over 50% larger. Dont get me wrong, the average range on the MG4 61.8 usable is higher, but not proportionally so, although I am aware I was a bit spoilt by the Ioniq gen 1 and 2 as they are amongst the most efficient electrics full stop. If Hyundai had released a refactored Ioniq with no changes over the G2 but with a 60kwH battery, I'd have been all over it, as would many IoniqEV owners I'd guess. I'd have considered moving to the Telsa M3 as one of the other efficiency leaders, but I just couldn't justify the much higher price tag.

A very interesting video. I like this car but have heard bad things about the after sales backup. Is this a problem or is it a myth? It's difficult to work this out from comments about the driving experience. I think this vehicle would suit me very well. I am concerned about charging though, as with most of these cars. Most of the time I would charge at home but on a longer journey it seems quite difficult. I might take my current car out and use an app' for an electric vehicle and see what the reality is like, ie are the chargers there, working, available etc.

201 miles on a full battery :( I dont think its time to buy just yet. I can generally get 600 miles out of my car on a single tank so its gonna be a long time before electric power is any better, especially when you consider that this car will have to stop and charge 3x times compared to my 1x fill up with fuel. Super charging has come so far in the last few years but I believe its still a 20-30 minute charge from 0 to 100, this means I would be spending 1hr 30m charging. I would also expect to see much less range during the winter when its very cold outside, when the heated seats, steering wheel and HVAC are turned on and when im towing my trailer. In this scenario I would expect to see maybe 150 or 125 miles of range on a single charge. I can see these types of cars being fantastic for people who live in a city and for those who don't explore too far outside of their town. If your day to day just consists of going to work or the shops, then this should be a great car for you. Especially when you consider the benefits of these cars in London for example, where pollution levels are currently very high.

Great video. Can I ask how long it it take to recharge at the station and what was the cost?

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for tuning in. I have a separate charging video 👍

Yes agree how much did it cost to fully charge the ev

Would love some more miles!

@stuart_thomas

10 ай бұрын

Extended range version available now 😊

From 0:03 to 0:05 it looks like the plastic headlight lens is starting to melt exactly where the bulbs are focussed..

Hi Stuart All the figgers you kept quoting I assume read on the touch-screen, and all well explained, I am assuming No problems with loadings on scree of which other MG have, the only down side to me is No Sunroof, what a shame, Please confirm, if you can get as an extra Sunroof. Regards welshman2081

I wonder how accurate the car's energy consumption calculations are compared to the real amount of energy the battery was able to accept from the charger?

200 mile real world range. Not bad for a £26k EV. Doesn't seem particularly efficient, but then 70mph is the top speed in the UK so it's likely to do better in mixed every day driving.

Nice video, can I just confirm in the comparison between the comparison at the end you said the se (cheaper car) has the better lfp battery is that correct?

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback and great question. Of course its my opinion, the LFP battery works at a lower voltage so less heat generation and therefore is more robust (longevity wise). It can be charged to 100% as often as you like. It also has a x3-4 cycle longer life than in the NCM (long range & trophy) battery pack. Having looked at the results of both range tests an 80% daily charged NCM and a 100% LFP battery results in similar range. However, there are some trade offs worth mentioning. The Trophy/long range battery can charger faster than LFP and it can be more efficient in cold weather (below 5•c) but MG4 comes with battery heating to help with this. I hope that helps.

@hawkeye880

3 ай бұрын

Brilliant thanks

Interesting to note Trophy consumption is almost exactly the same as revealed in your Zoe 50 kwh test. The larger MG4 battery gives a useful greater range. Appropro nothing, my MG5 new model long range estate f*****d me after only 7 months and 3302 miles by failing to charge the 12v battery. So, in the middle of a busy A road everything shut off. Luckily, I was able to coast into a side track and count my blessings. RAC were great!

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for tuning in and commenting. Oh gosh sounds like you managed it like a pro, so well done! 👍

4:37 -- mind the pinch point!

Not bad for motorway speeds, The range in my peugeot E2008 plummets when i drive at 70mph :( but i suppose its not as aero dynamic as the MG4.

As with ICE cars it is all about a light foot. one youtuber drove Chang Mai to Bangkok at 80km (50mph) and got 5.4m/kwh or 11.6kwh/100km. That a 60% increase in range.

Not the greatest efficiency from either model but it's still enough range for most people. I would certainly want a break after 2 or 3 hours driving. I would go for the trophy version if I could. The camera, heated seats and steering wheel and extra speakers in the back would be too much to miss imo. Not essential though.

@manthe3711

11 ай бұрын

Trophy also gets auto folding side mirrors. If I'm buying an expensive car, this is a must have honestly.

And how long did it take, to charge it up to get you home ?

What is the Trophy version in Australia please

Be interesting doing it in say 0 to 5c with the lights wipers and heating on, and 4 people in, these tests with 1 person in in the warmth are fine, it needs to have a family in to do a proper test.

It’s all right saying this in the summer try do the same test in the middle of October Or January it will be halfed

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

I have in the SE standard range - check it out 👍

There's a lot of external unpainted plastic trim on these cars. Hence I'm wondering how they're holding up over time, have they discoloured/lightened? I like gloss black cars but if the external plastics discolours/lightens over time I think it would look worse on a gloss black car versus a white or any other colour car. Also is the type of plastic on the front different from the plastic on the doors/sides which looks a bit lighter(?) Another thing I'm wondering is if rear passengers are able to slide their feet under the front seats? Thanks for these tests, they are really useful for potential buyers.

@stuart_thomas

Ай бұрын

No issue with exterior facials even at 18 months

Excellent test but again i would like to see the same range test but at 50mph to see how much more range you get

@allanshort8264

11 ай бұрын

As a regular M5 driver I would prefer a minimum speed limit of 60mph

@PeterMossUkulele

11 ай бұрын

I somehow don't think you would be very popular with the truckers causing them more than necessary lane changes.

@JimT-RCT

11 ай бұрын

@@PeterMossUkulele to be fair, as a retired truck driver, I never had any problems with cars doing 50 mph, the ones that did 56 mph because the fuel figures were based on that, making them think that had to be the most economical speed were the bain of my life. Just slightly slower than me as speedos are never really accurate, meaning I either had to sit behind them changing my speed all the time, or spend an age overtaking them. Invariably it would depend on how tight my schedule was, but these cars seemed to be more prolific when I was pushed for time ;-)

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Hi Steve, there isn’t great opportunity to perform this safely, however I have done a 60mph if this is of use which is on my channel

Proper 'dad' video and i love it

Hi Stuart. Really enjoying your videos and this one is even more relevant to me, as I take delivery of my Trophy next week. Woohoo! Could I ask a quick (and slightly strange) favour please? Is there any chance you could measure and let me know the size of the rear window please? Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Many thanks for the great comments and congrats on your Trophy order. Unfortunately I don’t have access to the vehicle at the moment, I think your trophy is much more likely to arrive first sorry

@deadlockvlogs

11 ай бұрын

@@stuart_thomas Oh no, what's happened to it?!

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

@@deadlockvlogs I actually own a SE SR which is currently in storage while I’m testing other EVs, I don’t have space at home unfortunately. But it will be coming back out in the next couple of weeks for a short while

@deadlockvlogs

11 ай бұрын

@@stuart_thomas That's good news then. I thought something bad had happened to the car!

Thanks for this the efficiency is quite poor certainly worse than I’d expect - I get over 5 miles/kWh in my yorkshire eUP! but I’ve learnt that you have to keep below 60mph and never use hvac to achieve that

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. I have just range tested an e-up in my used EV series and it didn’t get above 4 mi p/kWh at 70mph, but like you said below that it does incredibly well

Disappointing that the MG4 is less efficient than the MG5. I have a 5 LR which has averaged 3.6 m/kW over the last 10 months and on its last road trip averaged 4.2m/kW with the cruise set at 70mph on the return trip, 3 adults + luggage (Left with 100% and guessometer said we could get the 256 miles home in one hit, but did stop for coffee and cake so topped up whilst stopped). I did test drive the 4 and thought that the efficiency seemed worse on the same roads. Surprising since the 4 is a ground up design and the 5 a converted ICE model. The 5 is quicker too (X-power not included!).

My new trophy comes with 18inch wheels bigger central screen reawiper.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Wheels look fab - although I have no issue with rear wiper you may as well have it for the same price point

@daijohn2968

10 ай бұрын

Bigger central screen?

Temp difference was 9deg not 6? (21 - 12 = 9) Over a total of more than 3260 miles my SE SR has averaged 3 mpkWh, since the end of November '22; at this time of year I'm getting about 3.4 mpkWh for a distance 70 mph run.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

That’s great specs. Any EV struggles at 70mph, I’ve now completed testing of most EVs and they all fall well below expectation at 70mph. Quite right about the figures, I was taking the lowest temp of the trophy test which was 19•c 👍

One hint, with next wideos please add kWh per 100km or kW per 1km instead km per kWh ;)

@stuart_thomas

3 ай бұрын

Great suggestion!

I have the Trophy, your test is about right... did you use adaptive cruise control? Mine didn't do so well when I had this on...

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

No, when energy saving mode is enabled you can only use full regen

You can charge the standard range to 100%, the trophy/ long range to 80%. Do the math.

18:58 oh all along I thought you were driving the 77 battery version.

Anyone heard anything concerning effects of new 18 inch wheels on the trophy? Local dealer says mg hasn’t released revised figures. Larger wheels should mean reduced range and acceleration.

@stuart_thomas

9 ай бұрын

That’s correct, there will be some penalty for this.

Please can I ask how long did it take to get the battery recharged to 100% and much did it cost to do that. If you divide that cost by the number of miles is the cost per mile more or less than an equivalent petrol or diesel car of the same size and weight? Thanks, Peter.

@JimT-RCT

11 ай бұрын

The cost would always depend on someone's circumstances, if charging at home using solar, it could be free, if using the chargers on the motorways, you could pay nearly double that of an equivalent charger in a nearby town. I think it is fair to say that using the most expensive chargers would see a cost close to running an ICE car.

@PeterMossUkulele

11 ай бұрын

@@JimT-RCT Thanks for responding. Just taking the Solar power charge at home out of the equation, I'm trying to gauge with the extra cost of purchasing the EV car against a similar sized ICE car and the cost of charging at home overnight from the household supply, would I save against putting fuel in. I also like to change my car after 3-4 years and cover on average 12k miles per year. Is the EV economically worth it or would it be a case of just going green? - I believe the compromise is to have a self charging hybrid.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Hi Peter 95% of my charging (including for this test) was done at home on my Octopus Go tariff at 9p p/kWh which is around £5.

@JimT-RCT

11 ай бұрын

@@PeterMossUkulele If you can charge at home, then the running costs go down considerably, doing 12K per year, you would probably be charging around twice a week, you can get as low as 15 pence per KWH on a night time rate, but you would pay slightly more for the day rate, so it takes a bit of working out. Servicing is almost nonexistent in an EV, so that can save you money. I think that currently, it is close to a break even cost, once you factor in the cost of the car, resale and replacement prices, but so many factors change things, where you live affects the cost of charging, but as you can charge at home, you are almost certainly on the winning side (just) with an EV today, taking everything into account, had your mileage been much less, then I'm not so sure.

@PeterMossUkulele

11 ай бұрын

@@JimT-RCT Thank you for your comprehensive response. Peter.

I wished you could of run the test at 60 mph. I never exceed this speed on the motorway if my goal is to travel far. I have a Nissan Leaf 40. In my experience It makes such a difference driving at 60 moh.

@stuart_thomas

9 ай бұрын

I’ve done this at 60 in the standard range version of the MG4

Your car is long range mg4 281miles ???

Why the high temperature? At 22 I would be soaked in sweat. To each his own of course. For me the standard wins hands down with an LFP battery.

Hmmm..... that's worst case efficiency for my Kona 64kwh in the winter. I thought it would be better tbh.

@stuart_thomas

9 ай бұрын

Real world 70mph test on Kona coming up soon in my buy used series

One thing I've not seen much use of in mg4 videos is the adaptive breaking. Is it any good or too random to get used to?

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Don’t really use it as the car always starts in most aggressive regen

@gibroon4418

11 ай бұрын

@@stuart_thomas I thought it would be better to coast at some points but that's probably me thinking how ICE cars drive. I've only test driven an ev car once and I became quickly aware how much the accelerator was where all the control was due to the regen braking.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

I mean you can do this if you tweak the regen to adaptive, it should freewheel on motorways but like you said your throttle is key. On these tests, I try to keep it consumer focused rather than too scientific as no one drives or reads car data in a scientific way but everyone should know the limitations with thinks like range and safety. I have a road trip to today and my 70mph test means I know the minimum it will achieve

@maximilianholland

11 ай бұрын

@@gibroon4418 No, you are right, it is better to coast where possible. Round trip efficiency of [regen + more acceleration] is lower than just coasting.

That efficiency seems to be shockingly bad. I drive an eUP and it’s returned 5.5 miles/kWh over the last 1555 miles. The last journey was 164 motorway miles and it returned 5 miles/kWh.

@stuart_thomas

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comments - I have range tested the e-up and it’s not very efficient on motorways at 70mph however, at sub 60mph and especially around town it’s fantastically efficient. Great little car. It is hard to compare the two as they’re very different cars.

I’m off to Uni to take a degree in Maths!

Are you running daytime running lights ? I assume not ? Maybe I’m over cautious, I always run with daytime running lights on , the old saying , be seen be safe . Edit , just thinking about it , it would be interesting to see the same test done at night time with full lighting being used, as this test if no lights are being used is only really valid in the day time.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Daytime running lights were on, they come on automatically. Most EVs and modern petrol/diesels use LED lights and don’t use much energy.

@mikldude9376

11 ай бұрын

@@stuart_thomas Good to know thanks mate .

I expected more. I do want to upgrade to this car but my ioniq 38kwh is probably only 30 miles behind this. I thought the short range would be a suitable upgrade but it appears not.

@stuart_thomas

7 ай бұрын

Thanks and that’s a great POV and I agree.

@benellis7427

7 ай бұрын

@@stuart_thomas The charging speed and acceleration however is much better.

Interesting, but out of interest what made you change from the standard to the trophy?

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Hi Rick, I’ve had the trophy on test and have been living with it for 10 days. Not ready part with my se standard just yet 😉

@rickmoz

11 ай бұрын

@@stuart_thomas maybe the X-power that’s less than 4 seconds to 60. I’d trade my SR for that

How much does it cost to fully charge the trophy to a fully charge ???

@stuart_thomas

9 ай бұрын

Depends on charger cost. Battery capacity x £/p-kWh = overall cost

You now need to do the same test again with the big battery model, 77kWh and see what range you get on the same route.

@stuart_thomas

9 ай бұрын

If I can get my hands on one I will.

So what's the estimate range in winter at 70mph? EVs do a lot better in the summer, but winter is coming...

@stuart_thomas

8 ай бұрын

My guess is 20% less

Not as good as a Tesla model 3, which is a bigger more powerful car. My lifetime average on that was 3.6 miles per Kilowatt. That said its perfectly adaquate range and it will be intresting to see how well the LFP chemistry of the standard range model holds out over time.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Completely agree. Tesla have nailed the efficiency game and they will only get better as they make that car lighter and better motor/battery performance. LFP is definitely the way forward and Tesla have proved it can work.

@logant6490

11 ай бұрын

A fair slab of tesla efficiency is drag coefficient. Many people don't want a unpractical pseudo sports car

Why is the efficiency getting worse on newer cars and not better? We should easily be seeing 4mi/kwh in weather like this!

@theairstig9164

7 ай бұрын

If you want more efficient it will look like a cockroach and cost a fortune. See Hyundai Ioniq 6 and Merc EQXX or similar. 8kwH per 100km or 13kwH per hundred miles. They are low sleek and have woeful rear vision. Pick your poison

is the seat as low as a regular sedan?

@stuart_thomas

10 ай бұрын

Seats are average height and can be adjusted. In terms of rear seats, they’re quite high for an EV as the battery modules are quite flat in this car

@justice4g

10 ай бұрын

@@stuart_thomas thanks

what type of battery is installed in this car?

@evgenykyselgov9533

Ай бұрын

i've found LiNMC, thanks

@stuart_thomas

Ай бұрын

It’s the NMC battery

So £5K more for the trophy and only an additional 35-40 miles, doesn't seem worth the extra money. Am I right in thinking that you cannot or should not charge the Trophy to 100% every time, whereas the SE you can.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Correct 👍 although depending on ownership model on the trophy, if it’s a lease then I don’t think charging to 100% merits that thinking but I’d imagine for most it would be the likely consideration. It’s also worth nothing LFP Chem has 3-4 times more life cycles like for like considering degradation.

@chrispenn715

11 ай бұрын

Yes - it's about £5k, but you also get more kit - which may or may not be important to you. (It was for me...) 🙂

I've just been thinking, using the adaptive cruise control wouldn't it be possible to slipstream a lorry the entire way? That means you take advantage of the air pocket behind one and increase your range that way. I think it might be viable in really desperate situations. Also, Lorries go slower speed, i think about 50-60 mph, which is a more efficient speed as well. I get my MG4 Trophy in a month or so, I might try it out and report back.

@chrisminigp2109

9 ай бұрын

You will die of boredom and put yourself at risk, not having a clear view of the road ahead. Here, speaks an Hgv1 driver of 33 years experience 😂

@TheRecraftMan

9 ай бұрын

yea you're probably right haha@@chrisminigp2109

No one is answering how much it cost to fully charge

@stuart_thomas

Ай бұрын

Depends where you charge it. Worst case scenario 0-100% battery recharge - MG4 Long Range 64kWh battery… At home on an EV tariff, 7p pkWh (64 x £0.07) £4.48 Public general 79p pkWh (64 x £0.79) £50.56 Tesla charger 39p pkWh (64 x £0.39) £24.96

Getting 4.6 on a new RWD Tesla from new

I would love to see this at 60mph.

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Hi Mike - I have done a 60mpg test with the set standard range - I’m sure the difference I’ve guestimated in range difference between the two will be the same for 60mph

@mikebreen2890

11 ай бұрын

@@stuart_thomas OK, I'll check it out. Cheers.

Thanks for also using Kms for the non Americans

Very poor. I get around 5 ml/kWh with similar driving on my eNiro

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

I’ve 70mph range tested the eNiro and it doesn’t do that great. The video’s on my channel. Mixed driving it’s great

Its really funny reading metric combined with Imperial. Time for UK to drop the miles for kms, otherwise we just look like Americans

Seems like a decent car.....albeit made in China

I guess trophy is the luxury line here and has Li Ion battery. 70 mph is 112 km/h and the consumption figure for us is 18 kWh / 100 km Not so bad, but not really good compared to a tesla model 3 or model Y - even though conditions looked best, you can not get better ones except tail wind maybe. It feels like the usual cars: too far behind tesla regarding consumption, range and efficiency . Sad but true that even the chinese were not capable of reverse engineering tesla nor to copy it. Pieces here and pieces there can be better as a tesla but at the end here it is called piece work , simply too unconsistent. And meanwhile here far, far too expensive compare to model 3 during quarter sales .

@stuart_thomas

11 ай бұрын

Although it doesn’t have the efficiency of a Tesla 3/Y (they will always be the benchmark) this car isn’t designed to compete with Tesla at this price point. On the other hand It also offers V2L, it’s compact but spacious and it holds 140kw charge up to 50%. Not bad for this price.

@davidspencer7254

11 ай бұрын

Tesla borg. You will assimilate and buy elons tat.

@rugbymadjohn

11 ай бұрын

Why even compare 2 cars with a massive price difference

The slowest autobahn drive in the history 😅😁 I usually drive 150 km/h(95mph) on the autobahn And going to 180km/h(115mph) for short term just for fun

Should also add the % of what it's actually advertised to do. Many of these EV's fall way short of the advertised range which isn't great given the advertised range is still way smaller compared to normal cars.

Really couldn't be bothered with all those screens, menus, sub menus. Also, I don't really want to have to care about what software version my car is running. I've no objection to EVs, it's just that I just want to get where I'm going in reasonable comfort and at reasonable cost, everything else is just a waste of my (admittedly limited!) head space.

Kona way better