What say you? Hall of fame for Metta??

@celtics17banners84

6 ай бұрын

No, not after what he pulled in 2004

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

Are you serious. Why did you pick Ron Artest out of the 1000's of players that have played in the NBA. You pick Ron Artest as you thinking he was some Superstar. Kid just cause he was the 4th best player on the Lakers for a few years doesn't make him a HOF. 😂😂

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

he wasn't going to anyway. He played in that Thug ball era and he wasn't one of the better ones. There were a lot of players that were better overall. Even on his pacers team when he was in his prime the most and could score some he wasn't their best player I don't think. @@celtics17banners84

@Nuthinnull

6 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1occasual he was Kawhi before kawhi

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

@@Nuthinnull He was never Kawhi. I watched his entire Career. I was the one that drafted him. I was a scout for the Bulls in 1997

Metta was a darn good player. Especially defensively.

@younglove3362

6 ай бұрын

Noobs sleep on his offense.

@fortynights1513

6 ай бұрын

@@younglove3362Didn’t mean to imply that he wasn’t good there, but I would say he was better defensively than he was offensively.

@TellHerNothing

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@younglove3362Theres Nothing to sleep on, Dude was an average scorer at best..

@John6-40

6 ай бұрын

​@@TellHerNothingFor a 7 year stretch, he averaged 18.0 ppg, peaking at 24.6. By what standard is that average? That's a good #2 scorer on any team. Also keep in mind that was the slow ball era.

@TellHerNothing

6 ай бұрын

@@John6-40 Just to let you know he played 7 games the season he averaged 24 ppg

had the Malice never happened, he could've been Kawhi before Kawhi. He was that good.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

He wasn't as good Kawhi. he wasn't quite as good as Draymond either. the Fight he started in 04 didn't do anything to affect his ppg and stats. He just got to have a break there.

@andresdelportillo9917

6 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1oche was better than draymond chill out

@jacobyjonez9900

6 ай бұрын

Khawi? Hell no!

@TheProtagonistDies

6 ай бұрын

you clearly don't watch basketball 😅 stop sayin random shit

@GoodOmali

6 ай бұрын

​​@JimBrave-ri1oc bro was better than draymond offensively and defensively. Hell you talking about

Artest is one of those borderline hall of famers, like Tom Chambers or Shawn Kemp, due to their talent there is no doubt that they deserve to be included, but given how their careers have gone they remain pending as eternal candidates, a real shame. However, I don't lose hope, I remember a talent in my opinion indisputable like Dennis Johnson, he retired in 1990 and was inducted into the HOF in 2010, 3 years after his death, a real shame that he couldn't receive this honor while alive, he had all the credentials to be part of it 3x NBA champion Finals MVP in 1979 5x All Stars 2x All-NBA team 9x All-Defensive team No. 3 retired by Boston Celtics yet it took 20 years to be inducted, I wish Artest the best but if he ever gets inducted into the HOF I won't be surprised that it will be a few decades after his retirement.

What if you had to make a starting 5 with all sixth men?

@jonnyarnett

6 ай бұрын

GREAT question! Ill think about it, and I’ll add that to my list for the 200 questions video 👍

@a-a-rondavis9438

6 ай бұрын

Jamal Crawford and Manu would have to take the lead on that.

@carlpacquing2575

6 ай бұрын

Does James Harden count?

@Davivd2

6 ай бұрын

Do they have to be the award winners, or just great 6th mans? Because a guy like Robert Horry never won it and I consider him one of the best 6th mans to ever play the game. Same with Andre Miller. Ginobilli and Andre Miller in the back court. Toni Kukoc at the small forward. Robert Horry at the power forward.Cliff Robinson at the Center. If it's just award winners than I switch out Horry for Mchale and Andre Miller for Lou Williams. It's a great question though.

@cjvaye99

6 ай бұрын

really good question.

Let me tell you, i never overlooked Artest's influence on the court. One of my favorite Lakers during that time

@stevenmichienzi9833

6 ай бұрын

...also the only season in Houston was excellent

world be free and metta world peace are the first starters for the all peace and love team.

@zw8596

6 ай бұрын

with Kevin Love as the PF/C, I'm assuming

Sadly, NO. 1 ring and 86 games suspension dont cut it

@PhillipCummingsUSA

6 ай бұрын

plenty of non champions in the HOF

@999lilo

6 ай бұрын

​@PhillipCummingsUSA doesn't matter 1 all star team and 1 all team selection a gonna caught it

Jonny, I love your contents! Great work!

His name is actually Metta Sandiford-Artest now. Plus I usually call people who have changed their name by their chosen name unless the salutation made it necessary that I clarify it.

Loving you work. I'm coming back to watch NBA games and content since last year and you're a reason I want to know a bit more about different eras players. Would love to see your Top (10/30/50) players without a title and would love a list with the players with more swag or more style (Just an excuse to have a list with Iverson, T-mac and Vince Carter together). Greetings from Brazil.

Great Video as Always 💯❤️🇩🇪

HOF for singlehandedly changing the NBA lmao

great vid, he deserves to be in the hall of fame because of malice in the palace alone.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

that is the only thing novices remember him by which is why he's not hall of fame. He has no memorable moments as a player other than when Kobe was 1 for a million shooting and he had played ok so it looked even better cause Kobe was 1 for 28 shoots.

Day one subscriber here wanna thank you for the frequent fire content 🔥we appreciate you bro

I saw the Malice at the Palace documentary, there are many things that weren't shown in the official media and Artest was the scapegoat for everything that went wrong there. Many other people and also players did terrible things, but some even got away without any punishment at all.

@Bigedub101

6 ай бұрын

Exactly

@derekt9974

6 ай бұрын

If whoever threw the drink at him didn't do that, I don't think any of that happens because he was just laying on the scorers to table.

Definitely!

See idk if the community that inducts people into the hof is biased or not, his career can be considered as hof career but if bias is there then I doubt he will make it because of controversy and his act.

@DABBINGUP

6 ай бұрын

HOF? He was a amazing player but a 1x All nba and 1 All star is not close to Hof worthy, I don't care if has was the 3rd or 4th option in a championship team, do you know how many 4th options with better careers there are?

@Debraj_ae.

6 ай бұрын

@@DABBINGUP I said considered lol Marc gasol can be considered into the hof

@Mr1mojo9risin84

6 ай бұрын

@@Debraj_ae. Marc Gasol has won 2 Fiba world cup, Hof is not only NBA.

Definitely in the bleacher hurdles HOF.

A decent rapper too! Met him at a club where he performed. Very cool guy! Probably not a HoFer but had a unforgettable career

One of my fav Lakers of all time.

@p00lboy

6 ай бұрын

as a pacer fan i will allow it he in my top 3 fav players ever

@cjvaye99

6 ай бұрын

besides Kobe he was my favorite Laker during that era

Hall of Very Good

NBA hall of fame has a very low bar in accordance to other sports. All you need is a few accolades and you are in. He is on that borderline so this can go either way!

@DABBINGUP

6 ай бұрын

He's not a borderland Hof, there has been 500 players to be a all star, and 200 players to make all nba, he was a 4th option in 2 Championship teams, that's simply not even close, demar derozan or iso Joe, LaMarcus albridge are borderland hof

I love this video. Especially because of the nod you gave him for his piece in the championship run. Casual basketball fans will be like kobe won this ring blah blah blah no all stars. It ain’t about how many stars you can pack onto one team. Its about people playing their roles and doing it well and ron artest did what he did at a championship. Even if he never won a championship. Those thjngs make a difference

@hervedavidh4117

6 ай бұрын

Yeah Kobe won, no all star blah blah ! It does not mean Artest was garbage or the other were trash. Artest litteraly brought what Ariza was bringing the year before.The ship was not about stacking the Lakers with superstars like some others do forrming superteams.

Underrated. Maybe forgotten. A long shot for the Hall of Fame.

Metta is deserving of the Hall of Fame, just in case anyone forgot he did take out peaking James Harden's head.

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Haha you got me, this is a tough one

His name is now Metta Sandiford-Artest.

@jonnyarnett

6 ай бұрын

Which is weird. I thought that was the case, but I saw that Basketball reference now lists him as Metta World Peace… so then I thought maybe he changed it back?? Idk, either way, y’all know who I’m talking about 😂

Real reason for calling him Ron Artest: shorter name to say 40 times, consistency.

He's known for malice in the palace, changing his name, and that vicious elbow to James Harden. Is that hall of fame worthy?

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

exactly. he's no where near Hall of Fame even as a player let alone person.

More clutch than anyone would expected

No he is not one of the greatest player we have ever seen but he’s one of the greatest defenders we have ever seen.

🎉❤

imo he deserves to be in the Hof. If tmac got in then Ron should.

There are literally 500 players ranked higher and more deserving of HALL OF FAME. I'll name some from that era even Shawn Kemp Tom Chambers Xavier McDaniel Mark Aguirre Robert Horry Michael Finley Joe Johnson Amare Stoudemire Kevin Johnson Toni Kukoc Tim Hardaway Penny Hardaway Heck even John Starks deserves Hall of Fame before Artest. Terry Cummings Mark Jackson Peja Stojakovic

@fortynights1513

6 ай бұрын

Of those on there, Kemp may have one of the best arguments. He was a six time all star, made three all-NBA’s second teams, and a few years back, this channel argued that he deserved the 1996 Finals MVP. Another player who may not belong in the Hall of Fame but also possibly had a better career than Artest (you tell me): his teammate Jermaine O’Neal O’Neal was coincidentally enough also a six time all star power forward who made three all NBA teams (albeit one second team and two third teams), and while he doesn’t have a finals performance like Kemp does, O’Neal can say he finished top five in an MVP vote (third in 03-04), and Kemp wasn’t able to do that.

@Davivd2

6 ай бұрын

You had me till John Starks. Trollolololol

@p00lboy

6 ай бұрын

yes starks dunked on jordan but artest broke jordans rib

@LKaramazov

6 ай бұрын

I disagree about starks, but on the whole you make a good case. He never carried a team.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

@@LKaramazov The starks one was a bit of a joke but not too far fetched. NY loves Starks way more than Indiana can stand Artest. Had Starks made a few Threes in that 94 Finals he would've been a Hall of Famer then, It would've changed his career some and he would've made a few more all star games and been even more of a fan favorite. Yes. Starks did more for the Knicks than Artest did for any other Franchise. So it isn't that far fetched. I was making the point that to be in the Hall you have to be a FAN FAVORITE. Starks was a big part of the Knicks turnaround in 91-92 He was a good all around player that just had one bad game against an all time defense in a game 7. Kind of like Nick Anderson the next season missing 4 ft's in a row. Starks was a very good player though in his prime before that game 7 which got him down in the media and everthing but before that he was the Heart and Soul of the Knicks along with 19 ppg as a starter or off the bench and his points came in an vast variety of ways. Steals, run out dunks, threes, Mid Range. Was also a good passer.

He did not start punching people! Stephen Jackson is the one throwing punches in the stands. Ron Artest ran up, and was asking who threw it when Stephen JackAss just started throwing blows.

Loved Ron Artest as a player but I don't think he will get the hof nod. I blame most of it on the Malice At The Palace. Even then his accolades and numbers imo are just on the edge of making it. If he gets in my next question would be where is Tim Hardaway Sr. and Penny Hardaway,

Metta is a HOF.

If he didn't play with Kobe his name would never be mentioned, the same with Dennis Rodman being on the Bulls teams with Jordan.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

very true about Kobe and Artest. I still Think Rodman would be talked about at times even if he had joined another team. He was very popular in San Antonio and Detroit.

@joel8692

6 ай бұрын

Nah rodman won 2 chips with Detroit and was named DPOY twice there and also won 2 rebounding titles

He's changed his name again now, he's now Metta Sandiford-Artest.

Putting Artest in would be like Putting Buck Williams or Otis Thorpe in. Good players that contributed to Finals Teams but not SuperStars

@festusaniemeka3350

6 ай бұрын

U bugging

ONE SEVENTY FOUR!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉

Tayshaun Ran him out of the East. Tayshaun was 6'11 with long Arms and knew how to play. He destoyed 6'5 Artest everytime.

That fight at the palace ruined him. His career is definitely HOF material.

Ron scared the NBA irredeemably. “The Malice” changed the game. Ron was an excellent player and a great wing defender. “Metta” is a ridiculous name.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

Ben Wallace made it.

Not a chance in hell, I will be amazingly wildly impressed if by the end of this video you can make a case for this guy. He doesn't pass the eye test, sort of like Robert horry. Just because he was a contributor to a lot of winning teams, doesn't mean he's Hall of Fame worthy. And yes I know the guy was fantastic on the defensive end but did he dominate like Ben Wallace? Winning multiple DPOY awards. Wallace made it in because of that kind of dominance. Artest? No way

@epicmarco514

6 ай бұрын

U really comparing him to horry 😂horry was never considered best in league at anything except in big time shots but rob was a role player his entire career

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

@@epicmarco514 Horry was really good. He was better than his stats. He was 6'10 with hops. And he had a real jumpshot like MJ. Horry was known as the most versatile defender in the NBA and also the most versatile offensive player in the NBA. He was like a 6'10 Scottie Pippen. He could guard anyone. If asked he could average 15 a game and win DPOY. Those teams don't win without Horry, they most likely lose in the second round. Horry was a better Player than Artest. It's not close. Horry was drafted 5th out of Alabama and won MVP in NCAA also DPOY each season. Led the Nation in Blocks per game at 5 per game and averged 18 ppg and 11 rebounds with 5 assists. He is the last player in College to record a Quadruple Double. He is the most Clutch player in sports history

@markbeebe125

6 ай бұрын

@@epicmarco514 you're making up an argument where there isn't one. The comparison is only that Robert horry was in a lot of big games and won a lot of titles. Artest had the same thing going, where whether it was the malice, different high-profile runs with different teams titles with the Lakers etcetera, he had a much higher profile than his talent and impact would deserve and indicate just like that's all. And by the way, what on Earth was Artest ever the best in the league at??!? Occasionally shutting down the best wings in the league if he put his mind to it?? My dude was never a shutdown defender. Shut down Defender is the term used for people that actually shut everybody down. He certainly had the ability when he tried but he was a head case so he didn't always try. Robert was mayyyybe the best at hitting timely game-winning playoff 3s?? Neither one is a Hall of famer but there is certainly a call for them to be from a lot of the basketball fandom out there. But if we start letting guys like that and we're turning into the Rock and roll Hall of Fame.

I’ve always wondered why you render videos in 720p instead of 1080p

A 1 time all-star, with no international play cred, and a history of controversy. Only rodman could possibly get into the hall on that.

@joel8692

6 ай бұрын

Rodman led the league in rebounds for 7 years and won defensive player of the year award twice,won 5 rings with 2 different teams and has 8 all NBA defensive teams selections. He's known as one of the best defenders and rebounders ever artests offensive numbers were definitely better but his accolades aren't close to rodmans

@seanmolloy2172

6 ай бұрын

@@joel8692 yep. And rodman JUST got in. That's my point. Artest has no shot.

Hardest punch in the game

Just one All-NBA team and one All-Star team. The longevity, DPOY, and All Defensive teams push him into HOVG status but HOF? Hell no. Joe Johnson made 7 All Star teams with 20k career points and the chances of him entering the HOF are about 50-50.

I'd see Rip Hamilton, Chauncey Billups and Rasheed Wallace in the hall before Artest

Good player forsure, on the verge of great. It’s a no for me on the HOF vote. Love his stint especially with the Lakers 🫡 Sidebar: you should do more of these. There are a lot of players that are definitely debatable HOF candidates

@camaradiop3731

6 ай бұрын

Kevin Johnson should get in; before his hernia issues, he was a 20 ppg/10apg speed demon.

@joel8692

6 ай бұрын

​@@camaradiop3731man KJ was a beast before those injuries so was Ron Harper in his clippers days

@camaradiop3731

6 ай бұрын

@@joel8692 I'm glad someone remembers him for what he truly was.

Michael Finley always lit him up and took he W while artest took the L.

Do iggy next

the panda's friend was a good scorer with the pacers and with houston, good player defensively but had too much trouble on the court. he also broke jordan's ribs artest grab the airball of kobe and put in a buzzer beater lay up was memoriable, especially he just shot a bad three point shot with like 20 seconds on the clock, luckily the lakers kept him on the floor and then his next play was the game winner.

Glen Rice should get in before they even open Artests Basketball Reference page

Did anyone notice how short he looks on that Rockets photo? I bet he was taller than tmac

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

Artest was about 6'6 though was about 235 and had a 7'1 wingspan. Mcgrady was 6'8 210.

Malice in the Palace doesn’t just go away. There’s a reason.

The way the nba is going with lowering the bar, Jordan Poole will make the HOF.

Can you do if every DPOY was given to the best defender video

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

It would've been Duncan about 5 years. He was better than novices think. Also Pippen would've won a few times.

@fortynights1513

6 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1ocIn particular the years that Bruce Bowen and Marcus Camby got it are cited as years that it could’ve gone to Tim Duncan.

can you do a video on if chauncey billups can make the hall?

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

It would be a more deserving video. However I'd say he is not quite Hall of Fame. I think he only did ok on stacked teams but not good enough.

Am I the only one who thinks, from certain angles, he has Kobe's facial features?

Yeah he belongs in the half hall I’m I think he’s a top ten wing defender

Not a Hofer but great at his peak.

He was a good defensive player in his days in Indiana and Artest rlly had some offensive skills in Sacramento But his reputation got smashed after the malice at the palace

Most slept on Laker player

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

Gasol Without him Lakers never come close to a finals again.

I loved Mitch Richmond when he played but him making the hall and other similar players has set the bar low. Yeah Mitch gave you 25 a game but those were on many teams not in the playoffs except for maybe twice. He finally got a title with the lakers but he was like 14th in rotation. So I would definitely say MWP is hall worthy.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

I think he made it cause of Run TMC, also 22 ppg as a Rookie which still ranks very high in the Modern NBA since 1980. He was a good player. I think he deserved it, the Kings not making it wasn't his fault really. The West was so stacked and loaded in the entire 90's. I do hear you though, Cause back then I wondered if he would make it and though that he wouldn't cause not any playoff success. However he was a fun player to watch play and the Kings were really good for the NBA in the 90's. He was very professional 82 games every night. He was one of the only players to get 2000 points for his first 4 seasons.

Just wanna help the video

Of course. He belongs in the Hall of Fame.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

then everyone does.

@henning14

6 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1oc nope. Karl Malone is a case of on court of course but due to his off court action hell no. Ralph Sampson and Vlade Divac are members but Ron Artest/Metta World Peace was a better player.

Honestly? I think he's right on the border of being HoF, but since he's most infamous due to the Malice at the Palace, voters aren't gonna give it to him

not every good player should be in the hall of fame. the hall of fame needs high standard's

Sadly, the NBA is never going to put this man in the hall. They are so damn concerned with image over substance. Chris Webber got held out for years because he was a broke ass kid who took money in college. If we REALLY want to start digging into people who took money in college the hall of fame would be a pretty empty place.

He was gonna win MVP the malice year!

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

no he wasn't. he was probably just going to make his first all star game. 20 ppg 6 rebounds 4 assists 2.6 steals.

@TakeoneDoe

6 ай бұрын

They won 61 games the year before. They added Stephen Jackson. And artest would he getting more shots with Reggie being hurt and saying it's his last year. They gave the MVP to Nash the malice year. And that pacers team would've had more wins and been elite on both sides of the ball. He was gonna get the MVP.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

@@TakeoneDoe They would've been around 57 wins. There is no way they win 61 again without Reggie in his prime anymore. NO WAY. Also Jermaine was starting to break down and his FG% 's started to fall around then. They would've won 55 games. Ron would have averaged about 20 on 45% shooting. They would've used thug tactics all season just like they did the previous couple of seasons. They would've won those 55 games on defense only holding teams to 40% shooting every game. Rims were tight and set up about an inch higher and the ball was bigger then. So they would've won games 85-81. They let players mug players then. and the rims were tight. Ron at that time was starting to get to about the 15th best overall player. However it took him about 5 years to get to that then after that he wasn't there again. The offense was run though Jermaine in the post. In Houston he was about the 20th best player for a few years, then he was at the end of his career when he went to LA. It's not a Dennis Rodman type Career with 8 Rebounding Championships and 5 Rings and nearly 6 with that one coming down to the last second in 1988.

Let's not forget that this man got Craig Sager to say "Queensbridge" live on national television 😂😂 Him and childhood friend Lamar Odom won a chip together which is an amazing memory. As a Laker fan I was skeptical when Ron first got with us but we see how it turned out.

@joel8692

6 ай бұрын

Lol yup I was also skeptical about him joining the Lakers especially when he dyed his hair blond just like rodman. His thinking is Kobe was always compared to Jordan so he wanted to be Kobes rodman lol

@larsp8665

6 ай бұрын

@@joel8692 makes sense man

I cant think of a player more scrappy than World peace....he was like draymond but better lol

He's had 10 times career and was 10 times the player draymond is but draymond is part of the media

Artest's character was never in question. His temper was, but not his damn character. Everyone knew Ron was a great guy & a great teammate with a volitile temper. Also, Allowing T-Mac into the HoF means all champions & league award winners also make it in.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

that's the character though. he was a dirty player just like Draymond Green. Also ron artest was an admitted racist at times. Draymond Green is a much better player though and was there everygame cause the league will never suspend him.

@andresdelportillo9917

6 ай бұрын

Tmac didn’t win a ring or major awards

@ItsMeStrider

6 ай бұрын

@@andresdelportillo9917 that's the point though, if tmac can get in without a ring and major awards then so should everyone with them.

@ejkboxing

6 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1oc Artest was nowhere near dirty. He played within the rules of the game. A hard foul & a soft foul gets the same penalty. That's not playing dirty. The entire Knicks team played like Artest played. Even Draymond isn't dirty, he goes overboard with the talking & fighting but within the game he's not playing dirty. Also, Racist? How was he a racist? He called a white guy a "bitch ass white boy" a bunch of times? Or are you talking about all the times he called a black guy a "bitch ass ninja"? Racists practice racism, which is a system of criminally attacking people physically, economically, politically & socially simply because of their race, ethnicity or religion. Did he do any of that? As far as I saw, Artest would punch anyone in the mouth who talked out of turn or played out of bounds, not just white guys.

@ejkboxing

6 ай бұрын

@@andresdelportillo9917 That's my point. TMac didn't win shit, other than svoring titles, & he's in the HoF.

He was a much better player than Draymond who everyone pencils in as a sure 1st ballot HOF so he definitely deserves a nod. However, he likely won't get in due to his past. The Malice in the Palace still hangs over the NBA. Kobe knew that since we weren't bringing back Ariza, Artest was a guaranteed that we needed to keep that defensive edge and also take defensive responsibilities away from Kobe so he could focus more on leading us on offense.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

He's not better than Draymond. Draymond is far more athletic, taller, longer arms, faster, jumps way higher. Shoots better, dribbles better plays center and PG. top 5 passer in the game Won 4 Rings as their top PF. Draymon has won over 200 Playoff gmes. Ron won abotu 20 playoff games. Draymond is on another level. Draymond is close to Rodman.

Basketball hall of fame has really low standards if you wanna just put any decent player in, make a few all star games and you’re a hall of famer now? Imo you should be a legendary player to get in

Honestly I feel like MWP isn't a true HoFer. He always felt a tier or two behind the other superstars of his era. That being said when you compare him to some other people that have made the HoF he seems very favorable so it is hard to make an argument against other than I want the HoF to be more selective. That being said that could be an interesting video. Your top 10 least deserving players to make the basketball HoF.

Man people forget if were not for Ron Artest kobe doesn't get his fifth championship. Go back and look at game 7 of the 2010 nba finals

Artest could legit guard 1-4 and smaller 5. Artest was brutally strong and physical. Artest said he would practice with a 70lbs weight vest. However I don’t believe he’s HOF.

Ben Wallace was straight robbed for DPOY in 2003-04. No shot Meta deserved that over Ben. Voter fatigue 😮‍💨 Meta still deserves HoF solely for that post game 7 interview.

ron artest is worthy but that suspension ruined his chances for sure

good career, but I still remember him for almost killing james harden

what next you going to put Derek Fisher in the hall of fame. He actually has a better case. 5 Rings all as a starting PG , Hit 100's of key shots and played great defense. you never hear of a PG getting point on the Lakers then.

let’s be honest here….lots of players have made it to the HOF with lesser ability and accomplishments. hell Dennis Rodman made the top 75 team over the likes of Dwight Howard, Bob Lanier (most underrated player of all time), Klay Thompson, Vince Carter, etc. my point is there isn’t really a set criteria that these players need to reach.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

Rodman just about won every game he ever played in. That is why he's there. That is the Set Criteria. It is 100% about WINNING. Which is Why Robert Horry should be there. It's why Howard isn't there. He's not a winner. Vince wasn't a winner either.

@markjackson6431

6 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1oc okay if the criteria is “WINNING” then every player who didn’t win a championship should be eliminated. while you’re at it, eliminate every player who won but was the main reason for why their respective were “WINNING”. there’s goes AI, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Anthony, and all those non winners. uh oh bye Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Timmy D, Dr. J, KG, Curry, and other players who won but weren’t the main guy in ALL of their championships….doesnt what i just said sound stupid? that’s how you sound

@joel8692

6 ай бұрын

​@@markjackson6431rodman led the league in rebounds 7 times and won defensive player of the year award twice along with 8 all NBA defensive selections. Hes a 5 time champion with 2 different teams and was a huge part in each. I agree that Dwight howard should have been chosen for the 75 greatest but rodman is not a great example to use. Guys like dame lilard who hasn't won any personal accolades or team accolades should of been left out instead of Dwight howard. The only thing dame has done is hit some long shots

@markjackson6431

6 ай бұрын

@@joel8692 Rodman is a great example to use. he was virtually non existent on offense. and yes he was a huge part but his impact is like Draymond Green impact. meaning that they’re like the third best player on their teams. they didn’t make it by driving the car. they made it by RIDING in the car. i’m big on defense but offense is the other side of the game. D. Lillard wouldn’t make my list and neither would Rodman. but Lillard is an amazing one on one player. he’s been a franchise player. you can’t say that for Rodman. Lillard has more of a reason to be on the list than Rodman. you can’t say with a straight face that Rodman is a BETTER OVERALL PLAYER than the likes of Lanier, McAdoo, Howard, Thompson, Carter, Bosh, etc. with the exception of Carter all were great 2 way players. Rodman has never been a franchise player.

Hard to say no to artest when a mf like McGrady made it in when he did way less.

HOF..??? Nah no way

I say no. Dennis Rodman got in because yes he had issues and a bad rep but had strong contributions to 5 championship teams. Artest won 1 chip towards the downside of his career.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

6 ай бұрын

Exactly. Also Rodman was a better Athlete that would regularly out work and box out 7 foot 300 pounders. Rodman was usually the 3rd best player on 5 Championships. Ron was the 3rd best on 1 Championship. And Rodman barely got in latter. So no Ron would've needed a longer career and about 4 more rings.

You should make this a series, please do Shawn Marrion next

He was a good player, I love Meta, but the hall of fame lets too many people in, and this would be an example. The baseball hall of fame would NEVER let someone with analogous stats in their hall.

@mk4883

5 ай бұрын

it’s in the name… why not put all the “famous” ones there. just so we remember notable players, not necessarily great players, though that would be the reason most would be notable.

No Hall of Fame after what he did in 2004. I'm glad that he was able to have a productive career and remade his image but he literally started a riot that night and it was the single biggest black eye the league has ever and probably will ever receive. No Hall.

Fans should be allowed to throw stuff at players and players should be allowed to retaliate. Don’t take it there if u don’t wanna go there but ofc ik that’ll never happen 😂😂

@aapadre

6 ай бұрын

This is coming from a guy who never been in a fight and knows how to conduct himself some ppl really provoke these dudes and they get punished for reacting but I hate how we rarely give the person who provoked any situation an appropriate punishment. If u cause something we should be lenient on the person who reacts in a lot of situations. Treat ppl with respect and punish the ones who do things unprovoked

He made kobe a 5 time champ. Without him on that game 7, Kobe will only be a 4x champ.

Like a 30% chance Artest have to become a HOF, IMO. But, taking in count the Malace of the Palace, he has a 0%. Also, he was near a great role player/ star in his best years, and his best atribute was his defense, people dont care about it.

I liked Artest as a player, but I don't think he should be a Hall of Famer.

I love him, but no, I don't think he should be a HoF. He's definitely in the Hall of Very Good though.

everyone is a hall of famer in basketball, so why not him?