Oh man that’s painful haha, good results buts that a lot of arrows. For the cause!! 💪🏹

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, brother. Like you, I don't mind breaking arrows but this test hurt a lot :)

Well now you need name the bow and give it the title of "Devourer of Arrows".

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

haha :)

Quiet watcher just chipping in to say I love these tests!

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏

It's not the bow that's breaking the arrows, it's the archers paradox working overtime with your release. One of the things that make eastern archery stand out from western archery is the way in which they use the bow. Not just the bow itself. They use a technique called khatra. When you place the arrow on the outside of the bow, you can apply torque to the handle during draw and fire. This torque allows you to move the string alignment outside the body of the bow as the arrow is released. Negating the archers paradox and allowing the arrow to fly straight without wobble. It also increases arrow speed when done correctly. Every bow has its preferred method of khatra but the basic idea. It can only be done when shooting on the outside of the bow. Unlike western archery, we place the arrow on the inside of the bow and are full subject to the archers paradox. Learn to shoot like an ottoman. Place the arrow on the outside. Don't have to use thumb draw, slavic draw will be fine and you will adjust quickly to it. Although thumb draw will get you 2 extra inches on your draw length. And learn both ''forward'' and ''torque'' khatra. Recommended for ottoman bows. And you will get higher accuracy, higher arrow speeds. And break far less arrows.

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

I am working on my Slavic :)

@lymphy12

2 ай бұрын

That's what i was thinking. Just shooting a further target would let archers paradox work it self out, plus learning proper khatra would negate most of the wobble as well.

Hi Stav your arrows are violently fishtailing, so when they hit the mat the flights are trying to overtake the head, thus causing the shafts to shatter. Try setting the mat at twenty five yards or so to give them time to settle in flight, this could save you a small fortune. Brilliant bow by the way, truly awesome and fast as f@#k. Have you thought of using some heavy carbon shafts for these tests too?

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Thank you. I can certainly set the target back a bit further but I can't go further than 10 yards :( . The line the club allows me to test my heavy bows is the 10-yard range so unfortunately have to deal with the consequences of those arrows not stabilizing in time before they hit the target. I think I need to set up a bag of wool or hay for future tests so it's a much softer material that the arrows are landing in. Thank you for watching and commenting though :)

Very nice bow. going over 200 fps with trad type equipment is always fun.

great job man, keep up the great work 👏 please keep doing chrono tests

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Thank you :)

man i wish i was allowed to shoot bows somewhere closer to me. not sure if you're at a dedicated range or a park or something in between, but what a nice spot you've got

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Yea I am at my local club. I am allowed to use my bows on the “small range” not the big one but I am so grateful for that 😊

That's a really beautiful bow. Thanks for the review and the arrow sacrifices.

Well your definitely persistent. I suspect you really do need the target further back to let the fishtail work it's way out. And another option being blunts of the correct weight shot into a curtain like I've seen Joe Gibbs using. My Alibow 100 spine carbons have taken quite a bit of abuse so far, worth a look. The other thing im wondering is if this is showing some of the difference between the English longbow and "horse" bows shooting inside vs outside the bow and the difference in the brace heights, or how they accelerate the arrows. Thumb draw training soon I hope. It's all interesting anyway.

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Thank you. I can certainly set the target back a bit further but I can't go further than 10 yards :( . The line the club allows me to test my heavy bows is the 10-yard range so unfortunately have to deal with the consequences of those arrows not stabilizing in time before they hit the target. I think I need to set up a bag of wool or hay for future tests so it's a much softer material that the arrows are landing in. Thank you for watching and commenting though :)

@mrln247

2 ай бұрын

@@thefatefulforce8887 Hope you find something that can work it's going to be a very expensive hobby otherwise. You probably eventually need some farmland to be able to setup some targets in. Side note on blunts it might be interesting to see what the blunt force impact energy actually looks like on relatable targets like jugs of water, see what the difference is between 40lb and 90lb

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

@@mrln247 Thats a great idea. Definitely will keep that in mind for possible future tests :)

Nice video.

Congrats on breaking 1000 subs!

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

hahah thanks!

The speed test will work more.reliably if you have more distance to he target. And, less chance for your arrows to break!

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Thank you. I can certainly set the target back a bit further but I can't go further than 10 yards :( . The line the club allows me to test my heavy bows is the 10-yard range so unfortunately have to deal with the consequences of those arrows not stabilizing in time before they hit the target. I think I need to set up a bag of wool or hay for future tests so it's a much softer material that the arrows are landing in. Thank you for watching and commenting though :)

Nice, not much content on metbows. Thanks! Any experienced very light arrows yet?

Your warbow collection is getting pretty slick. Multiple ~70in Yew Longbows, a long siyah hungarianesque bow, and a much more compact short siyah Ottoman bow. I hope you have a wall rack because they probably look so good all unstrung together lol Keep up the great work. Do think it is worth practicing with the Slavic/Bhutanese draw with compact bows like this one. If nothing else, it prevents the string + arrow pinching your index finger at full draw. The string is shorter, so the angle is more acute at 28" vs a Longbow with 66" string. The channel ryydragyn has a video "The Slavic and Bhutanese Draw" that touches on this exact idea that I think is worth watching. Can't imagine it would take too long to become comfortably accurate considering how well you seem to be able to control the bow.

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

I am most def working on my Slavic. If I get good enough I might redo the chrono test to see if there is a real difference in speed Slavic vs Med as a good experiment :) Thanks for watching 😄

@Couponuser16

2 ай бұрын

​@@thefatefulforce8887 I wouldn't be too surprised if the differences are marginal. I think the whole "faster style" is largely due to thumb draw being longer than 3 finger when the shoulders are in the same position. I personally doubt that a good "khatra" where the arrow leaves the bow straight instead of flexing makes that much of a difference, despite it sounding good on paper. I could be wrong, but I do think the advantage of the "slavic" draw on shorter bows makes sense for comfort more than anything else.

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

@@Couponuser16 To be honest, I just don't know. Need to test it :)

Man those broken arrows would break my heart

I'd try moving your knocking point. You are getting a few land tail high from some of your other test videos where i can see the arrows hit an archery target, also work on getting clean release, I've shot at ragbag targets at only 3 feet away with both 3 finger draw and thumb draw pulling around 100lb bows and can get the arrows landing straight most of the time, look forward to future videos on this bow

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Thank you

Would using fiberglass or aluminum arrows be cheaper for these tests? Love the content.

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I am going to look at some carbon arrows for my future Chrono tests. But I like using the traditional arrows so that I can get as accurate readings as possible as I use those exact arrows for my armor tests. The barreling and fletching profiles are all authentic with historical war arrows. This way we know 100% how much energy is being produced to attribute to the results. This test was painful, but I have got it out of the way at least haha But I agree it is still worth getting some carbon/aluminium arrows for future tests.

Very cool. What shop on Istanbul did you get the arrows?

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Hood archery shop hoodarcheryshop.com/en/ottoman-barrelled-war-arrow-turkish-ottoman-archery-arrows-historical-museum-replica-2

You need bamboo reed arrows. Be sure to fire harden whatever natural material arrow you use. Good luck.

you can use a wool bag as a target.

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

I was thinking a hay bale next time but wool is a great idea! 😄

Bro, I'm dubbing you with the nickname "Arrowbane" 😂

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

haha thank you :)

Wow... Nice test 👍🏻👌🏻☀️🌿✨ Have you test Manchurian bow 80+ pounds ? Looks like they can have the best efficiency in Joules with heavy arrows...

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I have an 81lb Qinhai bow test on my channel. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fair1LGdqtKwYLw.html It is very efficient :)

@Arwndr

2 ай бұрын

Wow! Thanks, that is awesome! 👍🏻🙌🏻☀️🌿✨

Stav the arrow slayer!

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

😁

Hi, have you ever tried heavy trad carbon shafts like the ones from Alibow (China) or Fairbow (Netherlands) for speed testing, in my experience wooden shafts break very easily at point blank range even with much lighter bows (even with 30 pound snake bow at 10 metres) because they often impact under angle not in straight line. Bamboo shafts are more resilient in my experience as well and they are 100% traditional / historical.

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Yea, I am going to look at some carbon arrows for my future Chrono tests. But I like using the traditional arrows so that I can get as accurate readings as possible as I use those exact arrows for my armor tests. That way we know 100% how much energy is being produced to attribute to the results. This test was painful, but I have got it out of the way at least haha

@rdw7545

2 ай бұрын

​@@thefatefulforce8887 great test, I've enjoyed the video 👍 please do a test with the stiffest carbon arrows, you can make the carbon arrow heavier by inserting a small plastic tube inside it and using heavy grain points.

@philozoraptor6808

2 ай бұрын

@@thefatefulforce8887 What kind of target are you shooting at when the arrows break? Maybe some very soft target would help with the issue, or multiple backstop nets (they have lot of give, so if there is enough layers to avoid penetration and you put regular target right behind it just in case it should work fine). Perhaps highly diluted "gun gelatin" would work, also those horizontally layered foam targets are pretty soft for the arrows, or big stack of hay.

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

​@@philozoraptor6808 Yea I think big stacks of hay will work really well. The targets I am firing at are myarchery club's stanradt targets. They are packed with rubber straps and other materials that should absorb arrow impacts. But obviously from this test not enough haha.

560 grain too light for even 60# bow. Met bow recommend 7 GPP arrow for its bow. Metbow measure poundage from belly of the bow. From which point you measure the poundage belly or back of the bow?

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

When I reached out to Metbows i told them I planned on using low gpp arrows. They assured me that the 90-100lb ottoman bows could handle as low as 5gpp arrows. So buying the bow was provisional on being able to go that low. Hope that helps.

Hey, I have same chrono :D Why You not using these white roofs? I mean, does it still counts speed properly?

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

When it’s overcast the roofs create to much shade and the chrono does not work as well in my experience

@countdooku5703

2 ай бұрын

Wow, that would explain my weird and unrepeatable results :-O I’ll try without it next time 👍 Thanks a lot!

Why don't you do a longer range so the arrows have time to slow down and straighten out before hitting the target?

@jarchdm

2 ай бұрын

You can still have the crono near you

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

Two main reasons. One is this has never happened before in any of my other tests. Yes I have broken 1 or 2 arrows but not 8 in one chrono test. But the second reason is the line I am on is a 10-yard range (with a wall behind the targets). I can't really move the target much further back. I am only allowed to use my warbows on that line due to safety concerns and minimum poundage requirements by the rules of the local club I use. The main range does have a 70m line but as I said above I am not allowed to use my warbows on it (60lb limit). Originally the club was very hesitant to even allow that (which is understandable with safety concerns over noobs bringing in heavy bows), but I am very grateful they have accommodated me on that line. I am not going to complain I just hope ppl enjoyed the test haha. 😅

@jarchdm

2 ай бұрын

@@thefatefulforce8887 yes the short Asiatic bows really pack a punch. I use them exclusively now with thumb draw. The draw length you can get is impressive. But they do tend to be a bit squirrelly about the release so a poor release can make the arrow fishtail a lot. That could be one of the reasons for the breakage, the arrows coming in at a slight angle with that amount of energy. Instant destruction...😲

The arrows have got to be way under spined to shoot Mediterranean, typically you can get away with larger spine variations shooting thumb ring with khatra. They also look to have pretty bad grain run out from the way they are breaking. They are probably hitting the target sideways. This is a silly test that is extremely hard on the bow. It’s honestly making it seem like these bows are so strong they blow the arrows up and that is just not true, the same thing can happen with lighter bows when you shoot wood arrows side ways into the target. This bow should be shooting properly spined arrows and the arrows would not be blowing up.

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

The majority of those arrows are Will Sherman's arrows. They don't much better in craftsmanship than that for English arrows. I agree the spine is prob not perfect on all of them so that is not ideal. But the biggest problem is the range. The line/range the club allows me to test my heavy bows is a 10-yard range so unfortunately have to deal with the consequences of those arrows not stabilizing in time before they hit the target. I think I need to set up a bag of wool or hay for future tests so it's a much softer material that the arrows are landing in. Thank you for watching and commenting though :)

At 3:34, it seems like the chrono was hit by the arrow because the chrono moves….

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

It was :)

I think a Tartar bow performs better as a war bow than Turkish. Something with a b shape and recurve static tips.

M. Lehner MetBowd 371 fps

You will continue to blow those Arrows Up ,you are lucky they didn't stick in your arm as they were starting to blow apart in the Release cycle before passing the Riser , You have WAY too much weight on the head of that shaft , you need to stiffen Spine by 50% to match the weight of those heads

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

They were not blowing up on the release. They were blowing up on impact due to not stabilizing enough before hitting the target.

Calling this bow as an Ottoman warbow is not fair . It is a plastic based bow and just the shape and the being high poundage does not make it an Ottoman warbow. The material used and the craftsmanship and than the shape and poundage make it an ottoman warbow. genuine ottoman warbows were far beyond these toy bows. to evaluate an asiatic bow first you should find a good bow and then you should shoot the correct and perfect way. Other wise it will be all false conclusions. We can say this is a 91 pound metbow test. that is all we can say about. no ottoman no war bow...

Poor technique and incorrectly spined arrows......the bow isn't 'exploding' your arrows...ever thought to stand further away from the boss to allow these incorrect arrows at least half a chance to straighten out........maybe

@eclipsearchery9387

2 ай бұрын

And that isn't a fast bow.....these glass 'Turkish' bows will never shoot that well.

@nathandurbin9260

2 ай бұрын

​@@eclipsearchery9387metbows are resin bows

You keep saying this bows fast but then you don't give the chrono readings . I have to step in and say I condemn this entire test .....theses bows were drawn with a thumb draw and thumb ring for a very good reason.....your release sucks because these bows are too short for a three finger Mediterranean draw....you will and are experiencing finger pinch making it impossible to loose cleanly .....this is why the thumb draw.....also we shoot off the right side for a reason ...it allows one to roll the bow out of the path of the arrow

@thefatefulforce8887

2 ай бұрын

You can also use Slavic draw instead of thumb. And I explain this in the video and give my reasoning for not using Slavic in this test. Furthermore I do show the chrono throughout the video. I even have a table of all the chrono results at the end.