“And just like that…” Naw dude, I’ve been using Unreal for years now. Nothing in that engine is “just like that”

@arnaudkaho7137

2 ай бұрын

Same here, 12 years working on that ue4/5, not a single step is easy. And that metahuman thing is in my opinion just pure marketing, nobody wants a 350K polygon character in a video game.

@nathanlaidler9606

2 ай бұрын

@@arnaudkaho7137 Agreed. Metahumans look amazing, after you use Mesh to Metahuman to customize the look of course. But yeah, I would rather spend more engine resources on other things. The draw calls always get ya.

@DesignsbyElement

Ай бұрын

They need to make them more efficient. Even in cinematic scenes they drag along and there are issues with the neck and body animations. I still can’t figure out to to remove the gap between the shoulders and head while animating.

@aquaticchicken

5 күн бұрын

@@arnaudkaho7137 People use unreal for movies and GFX as well, It might be used in cutscenes also, and im sure it can be optmized to be used in a game. The tracking features can 100% be used+muscle anim

@irecordwithaphone1856

4 күн бұрын

​​@@arnaudkaho7137If I'm not mistaken the recent Hellblade 2 uses metahuman for the characters and that game is pretty well optimized

There's not really a TOO REALISTIC threshold, as you can always dial it down if that's not the style you're aiming for. The exciting objective of making realistic gameplay achievable is a few steps closer and something we'll likely see over the next few years as this sort of progress continues. Hats off to the UE devs

@THEcucufate

26 күн бұрын

Agreed. I'd rather get the ultra realism to be able to dial it down from there, any day over having to make something look more real with upscalers. Yes. Hats off to UE team.

@jbb5974

15 күн бұрын

Human production in recent decades is now a fossil fuel. The iA now has enough raw material to make useless actors, writers, viewers and even your own mother

@RM-xr8lq

12 күн бұрын

pre-rendered still far ahead of anything real time when it comes to realism

@hohohodrigues

10 күн бұрын

look at brothers: a tale of two sons💀

Realistic, but there's something that happens when they smile or do any exaggerated expression. My mind just rejects it.

@NextWorldVR

2 ай бұрын

Final Fantasy all over again. Applying video captured 'rotoscoping' will NEVER give the results that a professional Animator can.

@karlkarlsson9126

2 ай бұрын

Mouths still uncanny Valley. They need to focus on less is better.

@HapPawhere

Ай бұрын

They will improve that as soon as it is in their roadmap

@RetroReaper151

Ай бұрын

False you're just looking for something to complain about

@IstyManame

Ай бұрын

@@NextWorldVR nah they'll figure it out sooner or later, but i'd say sooner

The Muscle Animator highlights a major reason for the uncanny valley: Intiation of movement. When a human in rest starts to move, their muscles tighten *BEFORE* any movent occurs. Here, all muscle movement is a *RESULT* of the movement - as opposed to cause for it. Also, on other, close-up samples, the fixational eye motion is missing, making the 100% stationary pupils look dead.

Death Stranding 2 is decima engine.. Not Unreal Engine.

@marconwps

2 ай бұрын

And for open world look Amazing line UE.

@DimonDeveloper

2 ай бұрын

They are using MetaHuman from Unreal Engine in Death Stranding 2. Its first 3rd party game engine which use it

@benkraze3103

2 ай бұрын

@@DimonDeveloper No. Japanese devs have their own engines.

@tony2pumps1

2 ай бұрын

@@benkraze3103 This is satire I hope

@cadendewet9935

2 ай бұрын

@@benkraze3103they are using guerrillas DECIMA engine do research or watch the trailer properly

Now i would like to be 20 years younger.

@ZdzichuRaczka

Ай бұрын

This is to late for that new technology in games. We are passed our point of fun :/ .

@mnomadvfx

21 күн бұрын

With MetaHuman a couple of gens further down the line + high quality VR you could be as young or old as you want to be.

The Starfield developers have a lot to learn - if you take into account the beginning of this video (the character's face).

@NextWorldVR

2 ай бұрын

Yes, The smile was stupid looking it started too early and lasted too long... it was awful! Worse than Final Fantasy... We've had photoreal characters for decades, the ANIMATION is where it always falls apart.

@HapPawhere

Ай бұрын

@@NextWorldVR Yeah but metahuman's characters are faster to make than before. Animation is later on the line, because better to improve animation after you get the graphic you want

@jamess.7811

Ай бұрын

​@@NextWorldVR this is objectively incorrect, we haven't had photoreal characters for decades, just believable ones (half life 2s people are believable if not photoreal)

@sub-jec-tiv

18 күн бұрын

Wow people still talking pot shots at Starfield? Give it a rest already.

@scimbrelo

12 күн бұрын

@@sub-jec-tiv same except people defending it

Mesh and lighting is really good. But the animation and skin sliding / flesh deformation has still a loooong way to go

@theflame45

2 ай бұрын

yea go provide us with your own technology

@litjellyfish

2 ай бұрын

@@theflame45 I don’t have my own and why should I? And why would you want new tech from me a single individual? Odd request.

Simulation of muscle stretching FINALY. I am so tider of those plactic muscles in all games that doesn't even changes, no stretches. It made me sad. But FINALY!

@turrican4d599

2 ай бұрын

Fight Night Round 6 must come!

@Gesensor

2 ай бұрын

​@@turrican4d599 Tekken 8. Not ideal, but it's something at least. Like THE beninging... in de beninging...in de beningin....IN DE BENINGIN.

@sxteya

Ай бұрын

​@@Gesensormeningeal layer 😂

@mnomadvfx

21 күн бұрын

Cool, but I'm still waiting for full facial muscle rigging before I'm going to be truly impressed. Full facial musculature + randomised minor muscle action is how we get over the uncanny valley IMHO.

@caddywampa6602

12 күн бұрын

​@@mnomadvfx There are SO many variables that go into the uncanny valley. A lot of it is rendering, getting the exact reflection and refraction in the eyes, changes in blood flow under the skin, micro-wrinkles in the skin and how they anisotropically alter the specularity of the skin. The issue with trying to simulate the face from the inside out via muscle activation is that it becomes extremely difficult to get the exact expression you want, especially when you're trying to maintain the likeness of a real actor. It's easier to build a set of blend shapes (from scan data when you have a real person), blend between them, and add extra ones when you need something very specific, rather than trying to specify the physical properties of every muscle, lump of fat and skin wrinkle to get them to fold in just the right way. I know Weta built a system that allows the skin to kind of slide over the blend shapes, maintaining an appearance of physical elasticity in the motion of wrinkle and pore detail, while conforming to the scanned/sculpted shape and the animated interpolation of it, which isn't physically based.

They're at the stage where with the right lighting, animation, and camera work they look realistic but you can still tell the difference when you put the model next to the actor

I really hate that they now have UEFN-only features.

Starfield says “hello!” 😂

if the characters looks like they're breathing, like subtle chest movement and shoulder..they will prolly look more alive and real

Its not too realistic, this is what we've been waiting for!

@pw6002

6 күн бұрын

Still not realistic.

Metahuman is a content creation tool. It is used to create the character art of Death Stranding 2, but Decima Engine renders their actual in-game appearance in real time, not Unreal.

Amazing tech, though I am frustrated how the speakers are like "just like that" and "untouched metahuman animator solves".....I've seen enough tech demos to know that NOTHING that gets aired at these presentations is "untouched". It's HEAVILY curated. I guarantee that there are all kinds of extra tricks happening here to make this look as easy and palatable as possible in this demo.

I love how the thumbnail which is ment to state the realism of UE5.4 is actually the Decima Engine. Just shows how great that engine is and is highly comparable.

Na das nenn ich mal progressiven Fortschritt. Als Architekt habe ich seit den 90iger Jahren mit 3D-Programmen Erfahrung, aber Unreal hat es wirklich auf die höchste Stufe gebracht. Toll, das zu sehen !

The irony of showing Kojina stuff on an unreal demo when they used unity's Ziva RT to make the body deformations... :)

The initial video is still deep inside the uncanny valley

Son: Mom, can i get Metahumans? Mom: No, we got Metahumans at home. Metahumans at Home: Starfield

The cap and black panther animations look absolutely Amazing. Wow!

Just imagine the potential, micro managing and total customization the director can have over an actor's core performance without having multiple takes.....

I love Unreal Engine. Been following it's progress for a long time. I am excited for FSR3 and fsr upscaling with ai improvement and Unreal 5 games with FSR3 frame generation :)

Bro NPCs are so real now, that the player is the one that looks like the NPC💀

@pw6002

5 күн бұрын

Sorry, but the results here are still far from realistic.

God the compression is destroying it.

@pw6002

6 күн бұрын

Maybe the compression plays a role in here, but the initial product is not that great either. Just compare the actress on stage and her digital avatar. The actress has thousands of micro-expressions, skin-movements on her face when she's talking and interacting with the other persons, which disappear completely on the avatar's face.

8:05 "convincing tongue animation" 😳😳

Wow, Elle Fanning in Death Stranding 2!

Nice. But why everyone still have the same 3 body types? Women’s breast vary, some men are built and cut. Like why are y’all avoiding the finer control in the body.

@manollobango

Ай бұрын

And I'm also missing the ability to create MetaHumans of different ages, especially younger versions like baby, kid and teenager

@themightyflog

Ай бұрын

Exactly. I hate this about meta human. Incredible easy to use tool but leaves out one thing that is super important and is harder to use.

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Brilliant stuff.... the one thing that always gets me though, is the completely overboard mouth animations... like i get it for intense emotion anims... but just talking? ... nobody goes into full blown facial coniptions ordering a meal, showing all there teeth whener possible, really overly mouthing every little word... I suppose it's just for showing it off clearly.... but man, subtlety is a thing..

I think we are just 10 years away from seeing animation that looks 100% real

I loved Khary Payton in The Walking dead, glad to see him in the gaming scene as well.

I want to know how to make Metahuman speak and her body animated by rigging. I can do separately with audio2face, but can't get them together. The face and body can't stick together in the sequencer.

23:08 nice god of war reference 🤣

OMG THAT WAS AWSOME

The most impressive thing about all this is that it's still not fully capable of fooling you into thinking it's real despite looking as realistic as it does Hypothetically I would even go so far as to say the only way this and even future tech will be able to convince someone that it's real is to make them first forget what reality is

@pw6002

5 күн бұрын

Dude, your last sentence digs deep, and I have to admit that I agree with you. Reading some comments here who find Unreal 5 to be "too realistic" in its visual reproduction of humans, I wonder if their writers remember what a real human looks and acts like.

Face demo: Feels like the lips are not interacting with the teeth Death Stranding 2: the hair moves in slow motion compared to reality (like the hair is underwater). Muscle demo has some proportion issues (seems to be worst around the lats) and it looks like the movements are triggering the muscles, not the muscles triggering the movements. Getting closer to real though for sure. The cloth stuff seemed pretty flawless!

It'd be nice if even a handful of modern games looked remotely like the UE demos from 4 years ago, let alone this stuff.

Do people not look at real people now😂 these are cartoonish

my pessimistic outlook sees metahumans as a way to pay actors for only 1 hour of their time for capture data instead of a normal production schedule so they can be even more destitute then they already are.

that is massively impressive...i should admit

People are quite wrong about this! It's NOT when characters look real in games and cartoons BUT when they look almost real but there is something that you cannot put your finger on or understand that is wrong so it's only slightly wrong, so they aren't either a depiction of a human OR either a human, when you enter the uncanny valley territory. A good example of graphics gone wrong is the new Dune game but a great example of when they are enough of a caricature, like in world of warcraft, that they look "good" or at least don't look weird. Look at the lord of the rings from director Ralph Bakshi movie where they recorded actual actors but then draw on them and how incredibly weird and uncanny it looks but it's not until you actually know the reason that you can put a finger on it.

Yes, I would leave my wife for a AI virtual version of Léa Seydoux.

Bioware used to make games with characters that seemed so realistic and cinema quality. I miss those days.

impressive !

Its too perfect, a real human has imperfections

At this point I am convinced that the uncanny valley effect is 100% due to the mouth and not the eyes.

Damn impressive!

honestly the most exciting thing is cloth sim and muscle system...

Am i the only one that doesn't like the metahumans look?

@Drstrange3000

2 ай бұрын

I don't necessarily like the look of them. They have that uncanny "doll" vibe. They can look really good though. I just prefer a bit more stylized characters myself.

@erwinzer0

Ай бұрын

They're not bad, they're impressive but still have that uncanny feeling

@kevinmalisek9353

Ай бұрын

Not by a longshot

@quademasters249

Ай бұрын

Faces still seem problematic. The bodies though look good.

@Mmongiardo

Ай бұрын

I agree. It’s like impressive now but LA Noir was really impressive when it came out too and now it just looks like a video game. Same shits gonna happen with this when everyone’s used to it

Do something with hair movement. It's like they're underwater. In many games, no game developer has paid any attention to this for many years.

I'm glad Metahumans helps with better gameplay

Some where Mass Effect Andromeda was like " Could you that earlier????"

When I look at "RYSE: Son of Rome" (Xbox One) game I do not even think that ray tracing is needed. Very good lightening + metahuman graphics and photogrammetry should be enough in some cases.

Basic rules for creating realistic looking humans. Break the facial symmetry. Make the teeth a little crooked and yellowed. Add more skin imperfections and micro details to the skin.

@bengsynthmusic

2 ай бұрын

It's none of that. It's the movement that's the giveaway. The mouth and turns.

@tiaanbasson9092

2 ай бұрын

@@bengsynthmusic I agree, partly. I've noticed they use some techniques where some models disables the animation in the crowd during battle to cut down on calls and trimming out some keys in the animation during the movement.

@Phillefx

2 ай бұрын

@@tiaanbasson9092 fast paced scenes like battle animation hide the uncanney valley we feel while observing a digital face. As @bengsynthmusic wrote it is the micro movement of human facial muscles that awakes a sense of wrongness. You can find tons of articles and studys about this. Your mentioned points have been already done years ago but it is more intrinsic than some wrinkle maps or imperfections.

There is still a lot of Uncanny Valley in the expression and emotion.. Part of the face being totally dead and expressionless, while other areas overcompensate, making the expressions look like some kind of psychopathic bells palsy sufferer. It will get there, but not close yet.

Anything is possible now. If you get the windows to the soul right, the world is basically limitless.

DS2 will run on Decima, what does that have to do with UE5?

can we have stylized imports like iclone has?

Ari Folman's Congress turns real.

I feel like gaming is getting to a point where it’s evolving into a new form of entertainment. Hideo Kojima has the idea and he is going to execute

THIS GAME NEEDS UNREAL ENGINE 5

The question is, can they handle it??? No. Was hoping they would making game easy.

And for some reason still well within the uncanny valley

That muscle system demonstration was insanely mindblowing. Unreal is way too real for me now. 😍

if this is next gen, imagine next next gen 👀

So not to be nit picky but the main problem with the muscle animator is the lack of Lat muscle activation when arms are out stretched or straight overhead, dead giveaway for digital model.

I noticed no one wants to make the perfect looking female Can't wait till I can do it. Also we need elfs and fairies, cat people, fox people, Monsters undead. Fantasy of all types. Plus sci-fi fantasy. This is going in the right direction it looks amazing.

We aren't there yet. Inching closer and closer though.

Death Stranding (left side on a poster) is not on UE5, it's on Decima

the low bitrate of this video really fucks up the impact of the presentation

@pw6002

5 күн бұрын

It's not the low bitrate. The initial results aren't that great. Just compare the thousands of micro-expressions and facial movements of the real actress and the bland result on her avatar.

Still death stranding 2 or the beach or whatever they call it used a deferent engine the Decima engine and showcase insane amount of details as well

@xvil9x932

2 ай бұрын

They used UE's Metahuman for the characters

@aladdin5275

2 ай бұрын

@@xvil9x932 thanks, I read about it appears Metahuman is shaping the future of the 3D world, the technology is fast and the results are accurate, Kojima production has a unique way in developing new technologies when use them, like they did with the Fox engine, the Disema Engine and know by using the unreal engine.

@xvil9x932

2 ай бұрын

Yes. By the way, kojima also used metahuman in his new project titled "OD"@@aladdin5275

That Hellblade tech demo wasn't in real time. "Whether I'm acting scared..." (Actress looks left the to the right) in the render Senua only looks to the left. Why lie bruh?

I'm ready for Meta to hurry up and release their Codec Avatars they've been developing with this very same technology. The real gem in this keynote was not what it means for future flatscreen games and consoles....but what it means is On the Horizon in VR

This engine is amazing I just wish I had the talent and assets to push it to the limit.

When I picked up Pong and played it for the first time I envisioned a day where I could be body scanned into a game and be the main protagonist. Get on it I'm getting old.

Muscle animation for Fight Night Nex Gen?

What they said starfield characters were supposed to look like lol

Uncanny Valley is nearly gone, i am afraid.

Oh no! Does this mean Unreal Engine needs to change it name to Real Engine?!

When there is a 'metaverse' that is indistinguishable from the real world, I am going in and I'm not coming back. Ready Player One? Yes ... yes I am.

@pw6002

5 күн бұрын

By definition, if it's indistinguishable from the real world, it won't be "Ready Player One". It will be... the real world.

7:17 reason why i'm here

kojima is something beyond this world

They are too real outside the engine too...

I love you guys you are the best

incredible

Great👍👏

Are people actually crazy? These Metahumans are incomparably LESS realistic than in the last unreal presentation.

@Avrelivs_Gold

Ай бұрын

true, it's not good

When can we get this detail in VR?

@thepooz7205

18 күн бұрын

nVidia 6000 series graphics cards, next gen OLED headsets. Maybe.

And then we get that abomination in SW Outlaws 💀💀🤣

How many videos like this they already show to us before the PS5 came out....And we are still playing ps4 games quality on ps5....

@jphuwae4505

2 ай бұрын

Demon Souls, and Horizon Forbidden West shows graphics beyond PS4. But yes Unreal 5 is too demanding for pS5

@xavierf2229

2 ай бұрын

Be patient mate, your time will come 👽

@KARASU_Jin

2 ай бұрын

@@xavierf2229 waiting for that👹

@xavierf2229

2 ай бұрын

naaah ,you need to update your information source cowboy@@Spn308

@TheRanguna

2 ай бұрын

You can't ask for cutting edge graphics if you use a game console 😜

To be or not to be is going to be the real question now.

Unreal needs to support C# and allow us to easily import Unity projects into it. I bet most Unity developers would change to Unreal.

It looks impressive but they look like CG imo. Not even 'uncanny valley' like. Which is fine. It's just more data.

"Metahumans are getting TOO REALISTIC" Opening shot: Doesn't look realistic at all.

😍

Well, who volunteers to connect one of these metahumans to OpenAI's gpt-4o ?

I think I want to use whatever character creator the Korean studios are using.

what i expected before playing Starfield...reality strikes back and i m not playing it anymore..