Meshuggah Metal Riff Lesson Part 1
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On May 1, 2008, when Swedens technical metal giants Meshuggah came to New York on Ministrys C-U-La-Tour, guitarists Fredrik Thordendal and Marten Hagstrom (above left and right, respectively) stopped by MetalKults Manhattan headquarters for a video interview and riff lesson.
Meshuggah were also touring in support of their latest album, Obzen, which was released on March 11 on Nuclear Blast.
In this rare footage, the guitarists talk about their eight-string guitars, extraterrestrial solos, challenging polyrhythms, and time-signature misconceptions, before demonstrating how to play some classic riffs from their catalog, including Rational Gaze, Bleed, Electric Red, Pravus, New Millenium Cyanide Christ, The Mouth Licking What Youve Bled and Future Breed Machine.
Check out all this death-tech goodness below!
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Fredrik is so djent, even his voice is noise gated.
@DrXaOs
8 жыл бұрын
+Andrey Andonov hahahhahahahahahahau nailed it bro! also he is stoned as usual! :D
@thebucketlovers9146
8 жыл бұрын
this is starting to get old
@Abrahamhamham
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but the comment is 1 year old.
@ezassegai4793
6 жыл бұрын
L M A O
@SPNKr16
6 жыл бұрын
R O F L
" I just improvise til it sounds cool. " Best creative advice ever. Seriously.
"Line 6, the tube." "I just improvise until it sounds cool, on the album. Live, I just improvise." -Fredrik, speaking his wisdom
@djentmaster33
4 жыл бұрын
He says "line 6 vetta 2"
Marten and Fredrik = The Penn & Teller of metal.
@AlejoViard98
10 жыл бұрын
They remind me to Loki and Skisgwaar from Metalocalypse.
@bangasou12
6 жыл бұрын
lol waiting for morten to say SHUT THE FUCK UP
@nipulkradmsinatagras8293
3 жыл бұрын
More like the *Lennon & Harrison* of Metal.
@germanugo7788
2 жыл бұрын
@@nipulkradmsinatagras8293 and McCartney?
"This is the E string, but I use it as a crash".
@theosarissky2129
5 ай бұрын
Oh maaaaaan😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i love this😂😂😂😂😂 This made my day. Tomas the best.
i love how fredrick doesn't really talk, yet he is the master mind behind meshuggah
@jyoutube1233
4 жыл бұрын
Tbf I'd say there isn't one mastermind behind Meshuggah as the writing is split fairly evenly between a number of the members, and it kinda depends on the album. Also necrobump haha!
@DoubleH92
3 жыл бұрын
That's a common misconception.
@OHBJJ9634
3 жыл бұрын
Fredrick writes most the music except on the new one where dick wrote the majority. Tomas has rythmic(i cant spell) ideas that he programs guitars on. Lyrics are usually done by tomas. Sometimes mårten on his own songs does his own lyrics (ivory tower, demiurge, nebulous). But fredrick is pretty much the brain music wise. And lyrics are usually tomas
@Fitz1993
3 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that Jens just turns up to bust out some sick vocals and thats it. It makes sense but fuck what a sweet gig to have.
@drumkidstu
3 жыл бұрын
@@OHBJJ9634 That's actually a very common misconception. For their first and second records (contradictions collapse and dei) he did quite a lot of the writing and he often would split the writing duties with Jens, but every record since they've split it fairly evenly between him and Mårten. Tomas usually writes at least song per record as well. Tomas writes all the lyrics. Jens just comes in and him and tomas piece the lyrics together. On the latest record, fred did no writing at all. Dick and tomas came together and co wrote 6 tunes together. Mårten came in and wrote 4 of them.
Probably the only video we can hear fredrik speaking english
This video is literally gold. Can’t believe this was uploaded 11 years ago. Time flies!
When Fredrik said "This is actually a bass string", I just gained 10 kilos of heavyness
2:32 best solo every written!!!
"There's nothing intricate about it as far as the bars and like the time signature goes (4/4) - it's the polyrhythmic stuff, how it moves...and how it doesn't always come to the same place every time it moves over." The genius of this approach is that they're dividing their notes which in sum total are multiples of 4/4 into odd-groups that phase in and out of the underlying 4/4 pulse. Polymeter is actually the precise term theory wise since their notes spill over the bars and don't align on the 1 for multiple measures whereas polyrhythms tend to resolve within the bars. Only Dick in the band is theory trained however so using the terms interchangeably really isn't a big deal since they're quite similar concepts and something they don't really calculate (they do however analyse it on the computer when it comes to arranging everything). Tomas prefers to call it odd-note groupings or odd-time cycles, however he's always listening to the 4/4 beneath and not so much the syncopating notes cycling around it. I love how humble they are because while yeah the math is fairly straightforward, writing it all creatively, making it musical and executing it tightly are very difficult, and much harder than just chop and changing odd time-sigs here and there like other progressive bands. Heck even Tool started incorporating Meshuggah's polymetric approach in some of their more recent songs.
8:30 Fredrik is NOT human!
@fromthesky1050
4 жыл бұрын
it improvise
2:20 very important words about how they get their sound
7:16 DAYUM
@russelblacker2562
9 жыл бұрын
Oh my
@bangasou12
5 жыл бұрын
okay okay okay
@dizzod123
4 жыл бұрын
This is revolutionary
In my my stupid ass opinion, Meshuggah always entertains me. Even if there was no real "lesson" here it's cool to hear about different aspects of their music etc.
Yeah, Meshuggah's sound is like distorted bass guitar, which is badass.
Probably already mentioned but "guitarists Fredrik Thordendal and Marten Hagstrom (above left and right, respectively)"... but Fredrik is on the rigth in the video...
@mertallica96
7 жыл бұрын
Tomas Fornem You are a psychopath!
@6Pagan6hate6
7 жыл бұрын
?
@cloneboy42
5 жыл бұрын
Can't be. If it were flipped, the guitars would look left handed.
been listening to their new ablum lately it is unbelievable how they create those sound using guitar and drums
this is actually a bass string
@roland3285
5 жыл бұрын
Was searching for just that comment.
@zlayer4514
5 жыл бұрын
Which bass string?
@rvega8038
4 жыл бұрын
the best part was ''yeh it is''
@Iheartdgd
3 жыл бұрын
_B W O N G_ (F)
@Iheartdgd
3 жыл бұрын
@@rvega8038 lmao
70 gauge 8th string tuned down half a step. So essentially Meshuggah has 3 bass players
@christophergrimmacy6644
2 жыл бұрын
If I remember, originally, that was Jens's idea, for Meshuggah. |m|
1:31 Marten realizing Fredrik just talked
@Chronic_meshuggah_face
6 күн бұрын
"Guys why did nobody tell me he can do that..?"
Great stuff. I met Marten but I'm pissed that I lost my Obzen tour shirt because I had to go to hospital after an injury and it was cut off.
@XMetalChefX
8 жыл бұрын
......Explain......
@MichelSchallenberg
8 жыл бұрын
+Fragmenta Official Keep in mind, these guys do the same (cool) shit since they were teens. I think they used to practice a lot back in the days.
@rockrenegade
8 жыл бұрын
+Michel Schallenberg I wasn't really serious about that, I just admire that they can play what they create in the studio, I think every band should be able to do that.
@rockrenegade
8 жыл бұрын
+XMetalChefX I was wearing it while I was attacked in a home invasion.
Next, Meshuggah will play concert on city street...with guitars from telephone poles and cables, not strings
major props on the celtic frost hoodie!!
"I just improvise 'til it sounds cool, on the albums. And live, I just improvise." Lmao. I fucking love Meshuggah.
To all musicians, fans of Meshuggah I just want to tell that they have said times and times that they do not think their music in terms of time signatures and polyrhythms ... They have just been practicing a personnal, challenging music taste for more than 20 years starting at, say, a medium level, and this is what we get today. It's a will to surprise and not be too predictable among other things. A strong identity that evolved over 20 years.
where is the "dat 240p" comment?
@racemachine.1558
5 жыл бұрын
Above yours actually 😂
@dizzod123
4 жыл бұрын
Above yours lol
Fredrik has a Iceman 8 string..damn thats beastly!!
frederik is a Wizard, he even talks like a wizard. "Seventy"
I learned so many great riffs from watching this video.
two of the most beautiful 8 strings i've ever seen!! D:
man i love that guitar tone!!!
the grandpas geetars
@mtbthiccness3605
10 жыл бұрын
that gave me a giggle
@brosephthomas3764
6 жыл бұрын
They totally remind me of that band/show (in a good way)
@Iheartdgd
3 жыл бұрын
Idk why but I just imagined Marten as a frail 90 year old man showing his grandson his OG 8 string. When our generation is our Grandparent’s age.. that’s going to be pretty difficult to explain lol.
I think Meshuggah is one of the most quality death-trash metal bands on this plant since their first album.
That was a great line: "I just improvise it until it sounds cool on the albums. And live I just improvise." :D
i'm glad to know they sufffered the same suffering i do while learning bleed
I saw them four days ago, Damn, shit was awesome, such a bass rumble with every single instrument
This is actually a bass string. yeah it is... I love these guys
Fredrik really needs to hop his D onto a new Special defects album.
i have been a drummer for 25ish years, i have picked up bass and guitar a few times over the years and never cared to really stick with it to any major degree... but if my guitar/bass sounded anything like theirs, i would sit there all day dorking around with it.
Frederiks guitar looks like the United States
@6slayer6sam62
3 жыл бұрын
I believe epiphone had a guitar that was USA shaped lol
@illlanoize23
3 жыл бұрын
Those iceman shapes always did haha
loving marten's celtic frost longsleeve
@Marshallfan567 the thing is, since they use a 30 inch scale, it stretches the strings a lot more than a regular 25.5 or 27.5 scale length, so it probably feels a lot tighter than you think
8:34 That chuckle.
Gods.
This is old...Saw them this year and Fredrik was playing through a Digitech RP1000...Sounded soooo sic...
"Poor bastard...." "He likes it"
I love Meshuggah. Pure fucking geniuses who have created their own sound and their own style that no one should EVER try to duplicate. Meshuggah is meshuggah is what it is and it's forever what it is.
I just improvise until it sounds cool. Yes Frederik. Yes.
love this guys !! ;)
even when Fredrick is just sitting he has to still practise, thats why hes so insane
@SnoodNoodler True .... they are very much a band that has polyrythmic beats to the extreme ..... Being a drummer, I am inspired and blown away by Thomas Haake.
Dear God, that tone. That. Tone.
"Unfortunately... *rollseyes* I have NO idea what kind of wood selection..." I lol'd.
*F (super damn low)* *A# (low)* *D# (low)* *G#* *C#* *F#* *A#* *D# (high)*
Someone can tell me what is the tuning of meshuggah for six syrings?
I would take life for those guitars.
@Azgaroth666 Well, I was right about the maple and the Alder lol. What's the main body wood?
They use Veta IIs, which are modelling amps. So they can basically have any tone they want directly from the head. They don't use cabs either, the Vettas are directly connected to the PA. Their setup is as clean as it can be.
At 4:00 - THAT is the sound I was trying to find out about. He says it's not really chugging... I thought that was some kind of chord, but it's more of a sound. It really comes out in Electric Red, Lethargica, and a few other tunes on Obzen. It rules! I actually want speakers that make that low rumble jump out.
when he says: the tension and the measure is able to carry the tone.. thats the whole deal. what is he meaning? that in part the sheer mass of the guitar and added tension of the 7th and 8th strings is adding to the overall tone?? can anyone explain please?
My thought exactly!
Actually Meshuggah uses Line6 Vetta II heads. Still I saw information that Meshuggah also had started to use Fractal Audio AxeFX Ultra processors.
@iancidplaysguitar The scale length on their guitars is about 4 inches longer than standard strat style guitars, the tension on those strings will be much MUCH higher than it would using the same strings and tuning on any other guitar.
I just saw on different forums that he has two different tunings : 5 strings : Bb3 Eb3 Ab3 Db3 Gb3 4 strings : Standard tuning , up half on each strings
@Theseventhknight I got a 0.72 on 25,5' 7 string and when i tune to f it falls like spaghetti, on a 30,5' it must be really tight.
@dujl 100% agree John Frusciante said it best "It's not about showing what you can do with a piece of wood and some strings, it's all about the music."
These were the first 8 strings I saw when I was 15 and thought it was crazy....and now there's nine
@michaelborg4771
7 жыл бұрын
Johnathan Trevino Legator recently came out with a 10 string.
@bangasou12
7 жыл бұрын
theres always been multiple string guitars
@talloccasion1562
4 жыл бұрын
you ever heard of a guy named Jared Dines?
@horrorandmetalfan001 Have you not listened to songs until the solos such as on one of their most famous tracks 'New Millenium Cyanide Christ'?
@musicguitarlessons whoa are you gonna make a video on it?
God, I love Marten's Iceman guitar.
I've got an Ibanez RG2228 and I'm in 74 for the F# (in standard tuning), and in 64 for the B, so I assume they are running something like 54 or 62 for the low B. But as they probably said, there 8 strings guitars have a 29.4" scale, which is huge (RG2228 has 27" scale), so a 70 gauge is not the same for them than for us, even if they mostly play in F (standard tuning 1/2 step down). Rawk on!
@th1nkman Not true, dear Sir. Pickups are Lundgren M8=) Guitarz are maple neck-through with ebony fingerboard and alder wings.
@I3lackArrow did some of his awesomeness channel into you?
That's what's really cool
wat guitars are best for this kind of metal??
I am no musician. What does he mean by notes in the vocals??? at 1:46
@MAR.COmusic
10 жыл бұрын
in the early mushuggah stuff there was still a melody going on in the vocals, now it's just screaming :)
@leandertilstedkrist
10 жыл бұрын
that is a question only a metal fan would ask.
@2121pooper
10 жыл бұрын
It is true
@yoman1268
10 жыл бұрын
Matt Nelson it means half step down from standard tuning on a guitar
Standard tunings: 7 string - BEADGBE 8 string - F#BEADGBE
I think Mick Thomson was unaware of Meshuggah when He said 'Seven strings are Gay'..The Bleed riff kicks brutal ass.
@kayvan671
3 жыл бұрын
Meshuggah is by far superior to Slipknot.
@Theseventhknight Scale length changes the tension considerably.
yea but but do they have this sound. like that dull no eco kind of sound like these guys guitars?
With locking tuners, restringing an 8 string is actually a little faster than restringing a 6 string.
WHAT is that sound from 4:02 - 4:09??? How the heck to they get that sound? Is it a chord? Friggin awesome!
Sorry for multiplying posts 5 strings is Bb-F-Bb-Eb-Ab
@Xiphos707fx yeah fredriks on the right its backwards on the description
@linitweapon CANNOT WAIT FOR KOLOSS!
Those guitars were 30.5" scale? I thought my Agile was a bit long.
I've always made that sound by just fretting a note on the lowest string, then on the next string fret one fret higher, and one fret higher on the string after that. That's what i was trying to convey through my ghetto tab haha. Its a power chord except with a diminished instead of a perfect fifth. Alot of death metal bands use that for the sheer growl it produces. On bass if you did that with distortion it would probably bring your walls down. Hope that helped, have fun \m/
All Art All Pop !!!!
no, they switched to using the fractal audio axeFX, which is a rack preamp
i like how only Marten and Haake talk Fredrik and Jens stay quiet "most of the time" and no one ever sees the damn bassist lol (in humor)
so the first 6 strings are in standard tuning and the 7th and 8th are tuned a half step down correct?
Why would you do that for? Makes the lower frets to high. I always found it easier right leg. Besides I rarely go past the 17th fret area anyways, and only on a few notes. I no solo typically. :)
i love how marten is like "the poor bastard" and fredrik says "he likes it" in that voice. no idea why but it made me laugh so hard.
@Marshallfan567 so u gauge it as a 8 string like me?
Meshuggah are probably the only band that could make a line 6 vetta 2 amp sound good.
Dude Fredrick’s iceman 🫣
i'm not quite sure if it the same size but if I remember right then they use bass strings at least some times
When does the lesson start?
That's what the longer scale is doing for you, then you can use "lighter" strings and it still is tight!