Mesa Boogie Fillmore 25 vs Morgan MVP23: Which is right for you?

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The Mesa Boogie 25 and the Morgan MVP23 both offer fantastic tones in reasonably small packages. Coming in at a similar price, they are worth comparing. However, the Mesa is a more American styled 6v6 amp with different, foot switchable channels, and the Morgan is a more British styled amp with EL84 tubes and no reverb... Morgan says it can do USA cleans and GB dirt!
I hope this comparison is useful...
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Time Stamp:
0:00 What are these amps?
01:00 Differences between them
02:16 Morgan Gain Sounds
03:18 Morgan More British Sounding
04:10 Mesa's Pristine Cleans
05:49 Mesa Clean Tones
06:32 Amp Volume -Tone at low volume...
07:37 Morgan Power Scaling Demo
08:22 Mesa Master Volume Demo
09:14 Morgan good with pedals/demo
10:35 Mesa needs attenuator?
11:18 Mesa has more features... fx loop & reverb
11:51 Mesa reverb demo
13:23 Mesa has multiple channels...
14:06 Mesa Channels demo
16:55 Mesa better for gigging?
17:51 The Morgan's Tone and Cleans Demo
18:46 Morgan 'sweet spot' demo
19:21 Which should you choose?

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  • @rileyioacura
    @rileyioacura3 жыл бұрын

    Just began watching and I’m so pumped to watch this!! You have become a staple for my viewing!! Can’t wait for more people to catch on mate!!

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    😁 thanks man, that’s great! 🤟🏼

  • @jonr1226
    @jonr12263 жыл бұрын

    Very useful thanks James. I've not considered the MVP23 before, it sounds superb. You're doing a great job with these videos!

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you 👍🏼

  • @CrazyBoys-bc5zp
    @CrazyBoys-bc5zp3 жыл бұрын

    This was extremely helpful. Both are/were on my consideration list. Not sure if either are for me exactly, but they both are fantastic at what they do. Thanks!

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’m glad that helped, even if to discount them! 👍🏼

  • @buddall1781
    @buddall17813 жыл бұрын

    Perfect comparison !! You addressed every issue i had. Thanks for the great vids you nail it every time. I feel more educated now in my purchase of one of these epic amps. I was amazed that at one point you even played a little riff that i play as well on the E chord. It was like we were sitting in the same room! Thanks James

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    Haha, spooky! Really glad it helped 🤟🏼

  • @raydowley1038

    @raydowley1038

    3 жыл бұрын

    which 1 did you go for?

  • @JamesOnGuitar
    @JamesOnGuitar3 жыл бұрын

    Hi all, SORRY, at around minute 9 i mention the lowest db you can really use the amps at, but forgot to include the Morgan numbers. I got it up to 112db and down to around 76-77db using the power scaling and it still sounded good! Cheers 👍🏼 ALSO, i've just noticed the video ends a bit abruptly... just would have said to publicly subscribe and comment to enter the BB Preamp giveaway, which I will give away at 2500 subs!

  • @adamswanson8216
    @adamswanson82162 ай бұрын

    Truly, as I mentioned in a comment not so long ago on the same video, I now have both of the amplifiers, of course and love them both using them for different reasons but no doubt fantastic I don’t miss the harshness of my marshals. I still have my Friedman Shirley, but that’s the only amplifiers now that I use it all truly are those three thank you again. This demo truly helped me make a decision and now I have everything I want it just took a while because none of them are cheap and you get what you pay for in this world, but these are definitely pro level And I have put them on the road as well and had no troubles. Great stuff thanks guy demo as usual. 4:34

  • @MikeyMike706
    @MikeyMike7067 ай бұрын

    As usual, I'm late to the party. I had a Mesa Boogie Fillmore and loved it. I ended up selling it years ago. I just bought a Morgan MVP 66. Although this video is not the 66, its so incredibly helpful and confirms the thoughts I had of the Fillmore.

  • @dragui9932
    @dragui99323 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the great work! I have a MVP23 for 2 years now and i'm loving it. Next will surely be a Two Rock Studio Signature, a Mesa Boogie Fillmore, a Hook Lenny... or another Morgan, like a PR12. I think that the cleans of the Morgan are really great, with some "balls". I'm mainly a strat guy and i usually have bass at 13, mids at 13, Treble at 11, vol at 14 and gain at 10.

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hook amps look really interesting! Any would be a great choice 👍🏼

  • @benjaminck6768

    @benjaminck6768

    Жыл бұрын

    Someone said it was super dark and unable to EQ this darkness out of the amp have you had this issue?

  • @jezmez68
    @jezmez68 Жыл бұрын

    I've had my Fillmore 25 for 2 weeks now and I seriously wonder why I even need gain pedals (other than fuzz) anymore. It is so delicious.

  • @prw139
    @prw1393 жыл бұрын

    Looking at this as I am looking forward to purchasing a Filmore 25. But I must admit that Panda shirt equally has done a great job lifting that heavy weight. A real Champ!

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    Haha he is a great panda...

  • @paulstaffordcook8799
    @paulstaffordcook87993 жыл бұрын

    Good thorough comparison, I enjoyed the video 👍. I definitely prefer the tone of the Morgan, but that’s just me. Cheers James.

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Paul. Yeah the Morgan is really lovely, has a lovely chewy feeling to play 👍🏼 cheers

  • @johnblack3313
    @johnblack33133 жыл бұрын

    Just found this channel love it, I’ve got the MVP but I prefer my Morgan AC20 as it has a more luscious sound not that that’s a musical term but it’s the only way I can describe it.

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    It is a good term i think, for an amp 👍🏼 cheers

  • @pvdmac
    @pvdmac2 жыл бұрын

    Excellent Video

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    2 жыл бұрын

    cheers!

  • @eyalzerah
    @eyalzerah3 жыл бұрын

    They both sounds amazing Looks like the boogie is more versatile But I really like the character of the Morgan Thanks 🎸

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, i probably could have finished with: if you already have american style amps that you love, and pedals you love, then go with the Morgan as it is really in its own class 👍🏼

  • @scottmoreau5630
    @scottmoreau56302 жыл бұрын

    Do you find that the Fillmore has much background hiss? I have heard people complain about the “Mesa hiss” with other models. I like quiet amps! Oh and I absolutely love the fawn covering on your Fillmore 25!

  • @Gaslight.Guitar
    @Gaslight.Guitar3 жыл бұрын

    Both are great! I somehow prefer the Boogie! Awesome

  • @adamswanson8216
    @adamswanson82162 ай бұрын

    Making sure the onboard speaker is going into the Adam load will allow you to use the Iron Man mini power attenuator for 30 W and under amplifiers. This could be another option for folks who are trying to overcome that hurdle and trust me. It’s a reactive load attenuator just like the high end Iron Man and also you have the bad cat attenuator as well which comes in around 400 bucks The Bugera PS1 will knock it down to 50% power so you’ve knocked it down there to a 5 W amplifier and at 2 W still going to be fairly loud but no doubt preserving tone. I think you could dial in some pretty decent. Sounds even if you had to add a tube screamer to get where you wanted to be but definitely I’ve used it myself with the Bad cat and I bedroom tones and it is no problem having it on board. The doctor see attenuator can be put inside of the amplifier another option. Truly, there are some lesser expensive options because otherwise most of the higher in amp do not have fantastic power scaling no Friedman amps have it however they have a great master volume, but so does the boogie Still there is no guarantee on drives what you’re going to get for a tone “bedroom tone“ lol 13:22 13:27 13:35

  • @adamstark3537
    @adamstark35373 жыл бұрын

    I know they are worlds apart in cost but is there a way you can compare the Fillmore to one of your Two Rocks? And maybe what the best is for home use. Thanks for the awesome videos! Keep them coming!

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’ve been thinking about it actually. I just dont want to make the Mesa look bad - I’m not saying it definitely would, but the Two Rock amps are hard to compare to! It would probably make a good video and help some people make a decision either way though! I’ll work on it 👍🏼

  • @adamstark3537

    @adamstark3537

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JamesOnGuitar I totally agree that, other than a Dumble a Two Rock is pretty much king, if that is what you are into and going on your gear and the people it will bring to your channel I think most will agree. Id like to see how close a Mesa Fillmore will get to a CRS. And if spending double or triple is with it or will a Mesa get you 90% there. But of course it’s all subjective.

  • @Spidouz
    @Spidouz3 жыл бұрын

    I love both amps... I have a biased with Mesa, but the Morgan MVP is the MVP here (IMHO, pun intended :D ) I’d love Mesa to release a mini California 25 head... apparently the Fillmore and California were developed around the same time and using some similar circuitry (and same 6V6). So a small Cali-Tweed:25 head, similar to the Mesa Mark V:25 would be awesome.

  • @Birchblaze
    @Birchblaze2 жыл бұрын

    Am I missing something? Where is the reverb control on the Boogie?

  • @richardelg6878
    @richardelg68783 жыл бұрын

    Considering both of these. I'm preferring the way the Morgan sounds a lot in this video, even though it's less versatile. Morgan sounds better at low volume. Thanks!!

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, it does have its own great sound that Morgan

  • @stevewood3909
    @stevewood39093 ай бұрын

    After much deliberation, I actually part exd my MVP the Mesa Filmore 25 head. IMO the boogie is a better amp. Love the review...

  • @adamswanson8216
    @adamswanson82163 ай бұрын

    I actually am going to trade my Morgan for the boogie Fillmore truly it is certainly more versatile. I do prefer the solid-state rectifier and the power scaling on the MVP as I think about it more and look at the pricing actually may just keep them both fantastic blues without a doubt, I have played my MVP 23 for about two years now in practice and rehearsal of course I use some hall reverb and a little delay. Truly, I was told if I could get the sound I wanted dry then I could get it anywhere anytime so that’s how I practice either way great killer demo killer tones, loving these amp man the Fillmore point to point hand wired it does have PCB board in it as well. In certain places there is some hand wiring. The sockets are wired, but still not completely thanks. Damn thing sounds like a beast man you’re killing it. Think I will run the Fillmore through the MVP and through 2 x 12 Friedman that should be an interesting result listening to this is giving me great ideas Fillmore on its way thanks, Cuz. 16:50

  • @echoguitarist
    @echoguitarist2 жыл бұрын

    Does the fillmore 25 have enough clean headroom to keep up with a band? Thanks!

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey! That question is always hard to answer, not knowing what type of band and venues. Generally it is going to be enough, but being that the 50 doesn’t cost too much more, if clean headroom is the goal that might be a better option. Cheers

  • @rrpatriot1584
    @rrpatriot15842 жыл бұрын

    I’d be interested in you showcasing the Mesa Cali Tweed. Any chance?

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    2 жыл бұрын

    I literally search for one every week! Most requested amp on the channel. Will keep trying 👍🏼

  • @erikb.garcia4341
    @erikb.garcia43413 жыл бұрын

    I Think ... Mesa Boogie Wins for me anyway , Thank you for this great video super super useful for me right as I'm trying to buy my first Tube Amp :) cheers .

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good luck, glad it was helpful :)

  • @theprisonier
    @theprisonier3 жыл бұрын

    do you really think mesa boogie and morgan (with boutique amp distr) are always boutique amps ??? I don't think... they are juste expensive and sound great but boutique far away I think

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    Totally get your point! I guess they are not as personal and handmade as the more pricey boutique amps, but on the other hand the ambition and philosophy behind them fits that idea of being boutique as opposed to mass produced. A fine line i think...

  • @graemero5532
    @graemero55323 жыл бұрын

    As you know James, I love the Morgan. It just sounds way better to me. If you want another channel just step on the drive pedal of your choice, you need to step on the footswitch for the Mesa too. Same with the reverb, step on your fave reverb. No effects loop, don't care, never used one.

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    I love them both! You’re right, valid points... there’s never just one way to lay out all the possible thoughts! As i think i implied, the morgan probably has the best tone, but it is subjective! Anyway, thanks for putting me onto the amp in the first place 👍🏼

  • @graemero5532

    @graemero5532

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JamesOnGuitar your welcome

  • @michaeldstern

    @michaeldstern

    Жыл бұрын

    Drive pedals will never sound like amp distortion, don’t even try to argue me lol

  • @jroobz
    @jroobz3 жыл бұрын

    Killer 😍😍

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    🤟🏼

  • @luigiriccardi5947
    @luigiriccardi59473 жыл бұрын

    Mesa Boogie makes the most killer amps!

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’m definitely looking forward to trying other boogie amps!

  • @doggorman
    @doggorman2 жыл бұрын

    I think alot of players need to put away their snobbymess and Cork Sniffing Altitude that I once had That only vintage and handwired Boutique amps can only sound good! They need to become aware and shake off that cork sniffing attitude And understand that a Mesa boogie amp is built like a tank with high quality components and the circuit is something of beauty and Genius and Quality like no other Mesa Boogie is a Professioanl Amplifier and A musical instrument on its own. I MYSELY CONSIDER MY MESA Boogie every bit a Boutique Sounding ampand Boutique Quality Build inside and out For YearsI have been Enjoying my Lonestar Special . But lately Ive wanted to try something more American sounding After watching a few videos from James I finally pulled the trigger and ordered and Purchased a brand new Boogie amp A Fillmore 25! Love the size and shape and sound of coarse from what I've seen as I haven't played one yet . Also Love that it looks alot more simple without tons of Bells and whistles. Dont get me wrong I m keeping my lonestar special as I live the El84s also But I love that American sound thst you really can't get with an amp using el84s So the fillmore has a pair of 6V6s, I wonder along with its circuit if I will notice the different sounding tubes? I'd love to keep my comments much shorter working on it Great video Cheers!

  • @peterhughes8699
    @peterhughes86992 жыл бұрын

    No loop & no reverb on the Morgan is a deal breaker for me. Plus the Fillmore has a much wider gain range and is lighter. No contest imo

  • @wt1399
    @wt13993 жыл бұрын

    very different amps - I go for the Morgan (ok I owned one)

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    🤣 ... wait, what did you change it for?

  • @wt1399

    @wt1399

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JamesOnGuitar difficult: very unique sound, so I see no real alternatives. I would think about a Two Rock, Fender Super Reverb (very problematic if we talk about attenuation), maybe prs David Grissom Model

  • @wt1399

    @wt1399

    3 жыл бұрын

    forgot: Supro

  • @alexstrong6310
    @alexstrong63103 жыл бұрын

    Filmore for me - by a long way.

  • @cynthiamoss2920
    @cynthiamoss29203 жыл бұрын

    I like the Boogie one better

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    It’s so versatile, can’t wait to try other boogie amps now 🤟🏼

  • @pitamoncha2112
    @pitamoncha21123 жыл бұрын

    To me, these two amps are to different to be placed side by side. Not an apples to apples comparison.

  • @JamesOnGuitar

    @JamesOnGuitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    I agree in general - except one thing, if you zoom out a couple of levels these are a similar price and plenty of beginners still look at this price point (relative beginners i mean) and may not have any idea what sort of amp they want. Hopefully it helps someone 🤞🏼

  • @preeteshpatel3962
    @preeteshpatel3962Ай бұрын

    mvp 23 is an amazing amp. doesnt get enough hype, pure marshall tones with a mv. Mesa is Meh. Mass produced garbage.

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