Seems like a delayed reaction to focus on hybrids. By the time the full lineup arrives, people will be switching to BEVs already.

@stefanpredl6849

15 күн бұрын

Why should i buy a hybrid. Can only choose between a bad battery and motor whit a heavy engine+tank or an range extander which is going bad from under use and huge maintainance anyways Its not like whit a GAS car that you have a tiny 2g (10l) tank and the same engine does its work

@jamesvandamme7786

15 күн бұрын

@@stefanpredl6849 Because the dealers have two drivetrains to service. That's why they're 'popular'.

@rp9674

14 күн бұрын

FUD$

You say the SLOW DOWN IN E.V. DEMAND there is NO slow down in demand !!! What are you talking about ???? Look at the latest sales figures!!! Demand is up almost everywhere !!!!!!!

@coloradoan2199

11 күн бұрын

Autoline TV is based in Michigan, and all of its sponsors are related to the internal combustion engine (ICE) industry. It's understandable that the show may not be enthusiastic about technologies that could make the jobs of their personal friends and colleagues obsolete. However, given Jim Farley's interview on July 5th where he acknowledged that Ford will be dead if they don't find a way to manufacture battery electric vehicles (BEVs) profitably, I now believe the future of BEVs is certain.

Just excuses for their poor planning. These legacy vehicle makers are suddenly realizing that all their battery efforts become obsolete even before they go into production. The technology is moving too quickly and they can't keep up. Production facilities are not research facilities. This equation will change once battery technologies settle down, maybe in a decade or so, but in the mean time car makers really just have to buy the Chinese cells and convince governments that tariffs are counter-productive at the current juncture. -Matt

I find it interesting how Autoline uses the legacy auto phrase lag of EV demand, when the best selling car in the world is an EV. What do you think will happen when Tesla introduces a $25K EV or if the Chinese was allowed to import their EVs, I would think the demand would increase dramatically. My suggestion to a better description of the state of affairs for EV's is "There is a lack of price competitive EV's in many segments".

@nickmcconnell1291

15 күн бұрын

Amen! Come on Autoline stop being a lick spittle for the OEM talking points.

@remix-yy1hs

15 күн бұрын

It wont. The zionist wont let you

@jamesvandamme7786

15 күн бұрын

@@nickmcconnell1291 More like the OPEC talking points.

@baronvonjo1929

14 күн бұрын

Not some V8 forever type of guy but from my understanding Tesla sales are slowing. Their models are still the top tier but the growth is slowing. And they have put the idea of a 25k EV on halt last I heard but the industry always goes back a forth. I think the biggest issue facing Tesla is their aging models. The Model 3 and Y are ancient and the I think making a better interior instead of taking away more features would help them attract more buyers. And I think the R&D that went into the Cybertruck should have went to a said 25k EV crossover or a larger third row CUV. Just my opinion.

@nickmcconnell1291

14 күн бұрын

@@baronvonjo1929 Good opinions. As to the models, indeed they are slow but that's part of how they can be profitable when others are losing gobs of money or barely squeeking by. However, right now all of Tesla is concentrating on Robo-taxi where the margins are insane. For example, Tesla makes around $4,000 on a car sale right now. A robo-taxi charging only half the price of an Uber/mile and only used 50% of a day would, after maintenance and cleaning expenses, produce around $10,000 of net profit per year! If the car can be used for five years that's $50,000 profit per car. More than a 12X increase in profit per vehicle. Tesla management would be negligent to their stock holders if they did not pursue that full on.

The Tesla Vaporware........I mean the "They cant build that!".......I mean "it will be a flop!" Is now the best selling EV pickup in the US.

@2cartalkers

15 күн бұрын

It is huge, it is monstrous, it is ground-breaking in technology and design, it is a giant door stop.

@dclpgh

14 күн бұрын

@@2cartalkers Well that doorstop is outselling an F150. LOL Never thought you'd hear those words in the same sentence huh?

@2cartalkers

14 күн бұрын

@@dclpgh It is scary BIG as in more scary than a carnival funhouse or even milk that has gone bad. I like it that new manufacturing processes were used and the envelope was pushed open even further but when you stand next to one all you can think is "this is what Gort would drive." Gort from the original movie--The Day The Earth Stood Still.

@dclpgh

14 күн бұрын

​@@2cartalkers And it only took 2 quarters. Oh excuse me, did you say something?

@davidg3944

14 күн бұрын

@@dclpgh It's impressive how you can type so well with Musk's member in your mouth. And perhaps you should adjust your comment about the underrendered triangle outselling "an" F150 to note it's the Lightening it's outselling. Small beans when compared to the F150 as a whole.

The OEMs are foolishly playing China's chess game. 😂

@2cartalkers

15 күн бұрын

Not chess, it is the game called "GO', a game of encirclement that the Chinese have mastered. "Go is an abstract strategy board game for two players in which the aim is to capture more territory than the opponent by fencing off empty space."

News: Apparently the Cybertruck is now the number 1 best selling EV truck in the US market, surpassing Ford at number 2 and Rivian at number 3. Not bad for a product that just barely came out this year and is just starting to escalate its production line to go beyond the current "founder's edition" trims.

What did they think will happen when they invested in obsolete NMC capacity after LFPs already won. Even current LFPs are getting replaced by 2nd gen Blade and CATL Shenxing. Chinese technological dominance is absolute here.

@4literv6

14 күн бұрын

Thanks to obummer selling the U.S. rights to lfp cells out to China during his 2nd term! Ask the dude who runs our next energy formerly the ceo of A123 battery co. 👍🏻

Pure Michigan

@rp9674

14 күн бұрын

I hate that slogan they had several slogans better than that and they ruined it, come on L mitten

Lucid needs to make a cheaper base model of their Air, since they could make an $250k model version they could cut some of the spec model down to $10 grand so it'll be price around $59k. My suggestion, smaller battery, manual seat adjustment, manual charger port, no sliding screen, smaller wheels maybe, and some other I'm pretty sure they know they could cut to bring down the price.

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

Yeah, they need a bigger TAM. They are good looking cars that would do well if more affordable models were available.

@nickmcconnell1291

15 күн бұрын

Too late, Lucid doesn't have enough money to do much more. Maybe the Saudis will keep pouring money down the drain and maybe not.

@baronvonjo1929

14 күн бұрын

Their biggest mistake was making a car that's in a declining segment. They should have made a large CUV instead of a large sedan. Large sedans across the board are flailing in sales. It was a very poor decision to invest into such a niche body segment.

I see another Theranos in the making. The version solid state battery 😂

@phillyphil1513

15 күн бұрын

welcome ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls (and all the Ships at Sea) you are now in a GRIFT ECONOMY. as i've mentioned, starting back in the year 2020 regarding MASLOW'S HIERARCHY OF NEEDS the "desire to Grift" has now replaced the first 3 categories. okay everyone on this sobering news please update your wall charts at your earliest convenience, thank you.

@wt9653

15 күн бұрын

@@phillyphil1513 The Jokester 2024. 🤣

@jamesvandamme7786

15 күн бұрын

@@phillyphil1513 Dafuq??

@phillyphil1513

15 күн бұрын

like the cool kids say the GRIFT IS REAL. understandably those whose livelihood DEPENDS on the "Grift" would rather have us not be alert to this, because then it means they're essentially frozen in place and at that point will have great difficulty trying realize the "ill gotten gains" (hint: not only do they want to realize the "ill gains"...? but they even have the audacity to want the "racket" to operate smoothly and be "stress free").

@phillyphil1513

15 күн бұрын

@@wt9653 re: "The Jokester 2024". good right...? 🤙😃

Is it wrong that I'm excited to hear the Capri is coming back? Inwas always anfan of rhe styling.

@concinnus

15 күн бұрын

The styling will be completely different. It's almost certainly a rebodied ID.3.

Hyundai Accused Of Faking EV Sales Data In Dealer Lawsuit According to the lawsuit, the alleged scheme involved Hyundai dealers coding loaner cars as sold vehicles

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

I saw an article about dealerships in the Chicago area. Have you heard of this goes beyond the Chicago market?

@mrjim1973

15 күн бұрын

@@BTC_Minarchist My understanding that this is going on nationwide and is not limited to Hyundai!

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

@@mrjim1973 Wow for both. I'll keep my eyes open for more articles. Thanks.

Since bikes sold new in India still use carburetors, why not just install a tri-fuel carb on that bike, so it can run on propane as well with just the flick of a small lever on the metering control?😕

You failed to mention that Mazda's hybrid is Toyota's HSD!

China seems just unstoppable with evolving battery tech because they have been pouring massive efforts into developing engineers and college graduates that are directly involved in the battery and EV revolution. Meanwhile, in places like Texas they were building $100 million high school football stadiums. It’s called priorities. Some places choose wisely. Other have chosen poorly.

@rp9674

14 күн бұрын

What happens when smart people do smart things instead of fighting progress

BYD sneaking in through Turkey is a clever move. BYD is also looking into Mexico. They will eventually be competing duty free in Europe and Central/South America. Eventually the incumbents will have to face them. A CNG motorcycle is amazing. Half the fuel cost will be very welcome in many urban environments, where fuel costs can be $8/gallon... cutting that in half is a blessing, and the option of gasoline in a pinch is a very clever trick, because CNG fill ups are not always around. I was in Egypt, and they had plenty of CNG pumps.

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

Interesting. Don't hear much about CNG. Also, interesting about Turkey as back door into the EU. Makes sense.

@nickmcconnell1291

15 күн бұрын

Can you say "bomb"? 😉

@DeadManWalking2

15 күн бұрын

*BYD* = Burn Your Dollars

@AuralioCabal-nl8gi

14 күн бұрын

Actually the future of MC is Electric , at least in most developed world as Japan led by Honda and others have agreed to a common battery format and that means interchangeable battery packs , similar to GOGORO scooters in Taiwan.

@nickmcconnell1291

14 күн бұрын

@@AuralioCabal-nl8gi I own Gogoro stock. IMO an undervalued company that is spending money to expand and take over markets before their competition. I'd love to see something similar for MCs!

Mazda CX50 is severely overpriced.

@mrjim1973

15 күн бұрын

Everything is!

@buntnik

15 күн бұрын

So is the 4 Runner I recently bot. It’s an old fashioned truck at new fashioned price!

@Mike-Minion

14 күн бұрын

@@buntnik gas guzzler also.

Great job as always my go to unbiased automotive site the Highlander😊

0:09 "Battery compacity"? Please don't tell me that what we saw in the debate is contagious!😂

The Ford, VW, Rivian partnership looks like they are on the right track.

Lucid needs make sure the Gravity and Ocean (if they can secure the rights to that name) are good to go out of the gate, since it's SUVs and CUVs which sell.

Imagine reporting on lucid's "increased" sales without mentioning a decrease in USA sales and an increase in Saudi Arabian sales. SA owns Lucid.

Hybrids are an inelegant solution to no problem.

Natrion is the automotive equivalent of Theranos.

so I guess we arent feeling the Afeela much any more.....

TSLA@$263 today, on to $270+ before August? , then beyond after?😂LOL

Stellantis have been making very mild hybrid vehicles for a few years. It's getting to the stage where only Hybrids and Electric vehicles will be available for sale globally in roughly ten years into the future which is no surprise. Even though Lithium-ion batteries are getting better the change to Solid-State batteries is definitely needed. My opinion is Hydrogen is not a suitable fuel for trucks and cars especially after watching a Toyota refueling in California but has a role in many other applications. People do realise that if a RAV4 Hybrid can do 700 miles on a tank of E10 fuel then how much further would a diesel Hybrid travel? We all understand that the percentage of power produced by fossil fuels in the USA is still in excess of 50% which makes the push for net Zero seem like a joke at the present time. 😎🇦🇺

The new Capri pictures already leaked, it's hideous.

Tesla didn’t want to open a factory in Turkey and BYD will take the missed opportunity

*BYD* = Burn Your Dollars

@davidg3944

14 күн бұрын

And garage, house...

Mercedes knows it cant make Batteries cheaper than the Chinese, same with Northvolt. CATL and BYD are the world's biggest automotive battery makers ,they dwarf the others by far.

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

Mercedes making its own batteries never made much sense. Same as them making their own charging stations. Those are businesses requiring significant investment and little to no reward. Maybe 10-15 years ago it made sense, but not today.

@EditioCastigata

15 күн бұрын

It’s just not the right point in time to invest in the currenty battery tech, while anticipating a rise in sales of hybrid’s.

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

@@EditioCastigata hybrids use batteries

@AuralioCabal-nl8gi

14 күн бұрын

@@EditioCastigata I don't want two propulsion systems in a car or truck , KISS , and nothing more simple than a battery and a motor, No ICE and it's hundreds of parts to go wrong and no multispeeed tranny or CVT.

@user-cw9em3mo3w

14 күн бұрын

@@EditioCastigata You realize by the time we finally develop our own battery factories and supply chains the Chinese will be dominating in BEVS as they do now already, right?Legacy Auto never had a plan, AND THEY LAUGHED AT ELON MUSK AND TESLA,they have woken up a little too late, and Wall Street and Fossil car fans are still poking fun at Elon and Tesla, while the Chinese COPY ALL Teslas INNOVATIONS.

👍

Awaiting Chinese $20,000 Eve in North America via Mexico, who is on board with that?

@jamesvandamme7786

15 күн бұрын

If Chinese can build competitive cars there, why can't Detroit OEMs?

@AuralioCabal-nl8gi

14 күн бұрын

@@jamesvandamme7786 Unions and wages and Batteries , virtually China has monopoly of the whole chain, with CATL getting the lions share followed by BYD, those two alone outproduces the world combined.

@4literv6

14 күн бұрын

@@jamesvandamme7786 they do smh mach e is built in mx, half of the silverados and sierras are built in mx. The Chevrolet blazer and equinox evs are both made in mx!

Your delivery comes accross as a disdain for EVs. Legacy autos are going down a rabbit hole with hybrids. They are ICE with a slightly more efficeint engine. When the new model Y comes out. Hold on. Sales are going to be huge. Legacy decisions will cripple them.

@dertythegrower

15 күн бұрын

lol no

@rp9674

14 күн бұрын

ICE holes. They don't differentiate between plug-in hybrids and the stupide rhybrids. Everything should plug in

It just makes common sense not to over invest in the current battery tech given the amount of cells required and overall weight. It's too bad humans just don't seem to take the long road into account but instead try short term gains at the cost of efficiency and conservation. Until the batteries get smaller and lighter weight then the whole EV market is just upside down. How does it make any sense at all to increase the weight of a low energy density platform? Again you'd have to reduce drag and weight if the energy density just isn't there but instead we are adding tons of extra weight per each battery pack etc. Some will argue we have to start somewhere but the lithium ion battery was never the right choice.

@protovack

13 күн бұрын

been driving lithium ion vehicles for 3 years no problems, seems fine to me.

@speciesofspaces

13 күн бұрын

@@protovack the amount of cells it takes to have enough energy is the issue which basically is why the packs are so heavy and large which defeats the purpose of EV's as greater efficiency is required. I am not against them but the idea of making an EV even heavier than a gas car on account of the huge battery pack is not the future.

@protovack

12 күн бұрын

@@speciesofspaces yea its heavier, but yea, it also feels more stable, lower center of gravity, and still way more efficient than a gas car. they're not really that heavy. My 3 row EV9 is about the same weight as my silverado double cab. its really not that big a deal.

Since you're on the inside with auto makers, you might tell them the majority of prospective buyers realize that a Hybrid is an ICE car with a tiny battery. Two propulsion systems, oil changes and twice as many thing that can break or need service. JUST A BAD IDEA !

@rp9674

14 күн бұрын

$

Mercedes should hold off EVs until they can make one that isn’t hard to look at.

Tesla stock has risen at an unsustainable rate over the last week which is suspicious to say the least as their is nothing to support such a dramatic increase in such a short time. Sales continue to slow market share is shrinking, profits are down and there are no new models on the horizon yet the stock goes up?

@tesla_tap

10 күн бұрын

I don't comment on stock prices - varies too much for strange reasons. As for new models, Tesla introduced 2 new models in the last 12 months - Cybertruck and Model 3 Highland. Model Y is now the best selling vehicle in the world (ICE or EVs). The Cybertruck now outsells the Ford F150 Lightning. And they have far more in the pipeline. Tesla sells more EVs in North America than every one else combined. Only stock shorters are foolish enough to bet against Tesla. It's estimated they have lost close to $100B! Of course some forget Tesla is also in the Solar, Energy storage, robotics, AI, charging, and other very profitable segements.

@JohnH1

10 күн бұрын

@@tesla_tap Provide the numbers.

IMO, hybrid is the worst of both worlds.

@AdelSTech

15 күн бұрын

I think a solution like Nissan epower with plug in option is a very good solution.

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

💯 It will be interesting to see this play out. It will take a few years though.

@MADMAX7330

15 күн бұрын

Facts 💯

@MikeCasey311

15 күн бұрын

I may be wrong and I would like to read your arguments: 1. Most EV’s have a range of over 300 miles. 2. What is the range of a hybrid? 3. How often do you travel over 300 miles in a day? 4. The ICE engine in a hybrid requires service, oil changes etc. 5. Either get an ICE vehicle or an EV. The market place says I am wrong.

@user-cw9em3mo3w

15 күн бұрын

It is a stepping stone to being electrified, a way for legacy auto to keep making ICE but has its complications by having two types motive power,Many Chinese auto companies have decided to KISS, go only BEV and they have the right idea.

These companies are going extinct.

Now MB wants to make batteries? I’m sorry, but I have as much faith in that as I do a gardener turned brain surgeon. Regardless of price, it will be an inferior product. Rather than jumping on every bandwagon that passes by, I think Mercedes (and the German auto industry as a whole) should take a page out of Toyota’s playbook: stay the course, remain focused on, and just keep advancing what they do best - bending metal and mechanical engineering. Leave the software development, electrical engineering, and battery chemistry, to the Americans and the Chinese. They have the experience, they have the data, they have the assets, the funding, the support, and they have the capacity to supply the entire world’s demand; there’s little doubt they do it best. So just collaborate, partner, and trade with them for what you need, but don’t try to be them… that will never work.

And that is why Mazda will be out of business real soon. Those jackasses never learn.

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

Beloved / well recognized brands that can't figure out how to succeed seem to end up as business units of larger Chinese automakers. Mazda might be another, in the coming years.

@jamesvandamme7786

15 күн бұрын

Sad. We have a CX-5 and it's a great car, and cheaper than a RAV 4. Zoom zoom! My ears perked up when they announced the MX-30, but what a disappointment. So far the Kia EV3 has my attention.

@rp9674

14 күн бұрын

They must have spent a bunch of money on JD Power endorsements, how could that go wrong

GTA Grand theft EV auto. $ billions invested and gone

@jamesvandamme7786

15 күн бұрын

Look at the real sales figures.

@Gadfly2025

15 күн бұрын

@@jamesvandamme7786 losses in $ Trillions since 0bama , hundreds corps like Solydra , A1 battery 🪫, NV giga battery factory, FISKER , And 100s more hone with the money 💰 nothing to show for it

Anything Turkey needs to stop!

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

Why is that? Serious question. I don't know much about Turkey.

@scottsdaletour

15 күн бұрын

@@BTC_Minarchist long history lesson. It’s a country that can not be trusted. Most violations of human life. They are master liers. It would be difficult to explain in a text. Let’s say they hold the record for the most genocides in the last 100 years and they continue to ethnically cleans both in Turkey and outside of Turkey. They also are the main transport of Russian oil to Europe selling it as Turkish oil when they don’t produce one drop but they call it blending. They also have the worst human rights in Turkey. I can go on and on.

Mercedes powertrain is so YESTERDAY , when wil it get its Nokia moment?

@jamesvandamme7786

15 күн бұрын

Somebody with more money than brains will buy them.

@AuralioCabal-nl8gi

14 күн бұрын

@@jamesvandamme7786 Cuninese in China already know that the German cars are not the equal of their homegrown EVs, the cost of maintenance of the German cars are absurd.

Mercedes is no different than other legacy carmakers - they designed a whole slew of EVs that were ugly and no one wanted them. Buyers of expensive luxury cars want them to look cool, exciting and fancy and none of the Merc EVs achieved that - so the rich folk didn't buy them. Same as the Ford and Chevy pickups - too expensive and not much value compared to exisiting models. Make cars people want to buy and then maybe you can use all that battery manufacturing capacity. Oh is anyone surprised that status seeking rich people don't care about producing less carbon in their lives?

@nickmcconnell1291

15 күн бұрын

Wait till a model 3 smokes their expensive luxury car at a stop light. Maybe that will get their attention?? Course maybe their chauffeur is the only one that would know it happened.....LOL

And so it begins. Mercedes is backing off on batteries so they can take advantage of the glut of batteries on the market. Meanwhile it is lagging in getting its own battery production up and running. Mercedes is making the wrong decisions in order to maximize profit in the short term. Soon they will be caught with their pants down when the battery market tightens up again as China makes more and more EVs for export. Mercedes needs to go all EV as petrol stations are closing through lack of demand throughout much of the EU. In three years it will be more difficult to find petrol and the price will have sky rocketed as refineries will stop making it or will raise their prices considerably to make their margins. Rinse and Repeat. Soon Mercedes will realize that they must go all EV but won't be able to get enough batteries because of their short sighted decisions today.

Gas cars are never going away...

@JD-yx7be

14 күн бұрын

People still buy newspapers

@tesla_tap

10 күн бұрын

Yep, we'll be able to see ICE cars in museums along with the Stanely steamer and the horse and buggy. Obsolete technology will always be interesting.

@user-tx9zg5mz5p

10 күн бұрын

@@tesla_tap 😂

Lucid is a living dead

@jamesvandamme7786

15 күн бұрын

Money sink for Saudi petrodollars. That used to be our dollars.

No mention of Tesla? Fanboys will be so disappointed, they need their daily dose of vaporware

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

😂Thank you for mentioning Tesla and proving, once again, that your Tesla Derangement Syndrome and Elon Derangement Syndrome are things you can't control. 😂😂😂😂

@taniabanes4707

15 күн бұрын

@@BTC_Minarchist It doesn’t feel the same without another false promise or Cybertruck recall, it’s very entertaining

@wt9653

15 күн бұрын

Tesla short seller syndrome 😂 All the reasons why they are so successful 😂

@wt9653

15 күн бұрын

​@@taniabanes4707 Cybertruck recalls are punny compared to Ford Hyundai Kia GM Chrysler 😂 11,000 vs 40 million 😂 Cybertruck recalls were wiper motor so far compared to spontaneous fire from Ford, Hyundai and Kia 😂

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

@@taniabanes4707 Seems like you need Tesla news more than "fanboys". 😊 I would bet most of us don't come here for Tesla news. Autoline is days, and sometimes weeks, behind on Tesla news. We come here for the broader auto industry coverage. I'd rather Autoline not cover Tesla, but whatcha gonna do 🤷

BYD is making a fundamental mistake investing in Turkey.

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

Why do you think?

@seanoneill9130

15 күн бұрын

@@BTC_Minarchist Germany isn't going to let BYD eat it's car manufacturer's lunch because of some loophole.

@BTC_Minarchist

15 күн бұрын

@@seanoneill9130 I would imagine Germany will be pushing back hard.

Boycott all USA based brands

CATL is killing every other battery maker. That's the reality.

@dertythegrower

15 күн бұрын

There is new batteries coming out every 6 months now.. so much in funding for research.. it will be like that for ten years

@vlhc4642

15 күн бұрын

Not BYD, but otherwise yes.

@seanoneill9130

15 күн бұрын

@@dertythegrower There are new battery press releases coming out every six months and lab demos but genuine production on an industrial scale not so much. CATL have the goods.

@jamesvandamme7786

15 күн бұрын

@@seanoneill9130 Well, they're a shorter time scale than fusion power.