If the recoil spring breaks you can get a spare from your ballpoint pen.

@michaeldriggers7681

4 жыл бұрын

Ha!

Just casually whips out a kolibri for scale

@turbowolf302

4 жыл бұрын

"Excuse me while I whip this out." - Gun Jesus

@cerberus144

4 жыл бұрын

As one does, I mean, who hasn't just casually pulled out a Kolibri?

@bobthompson4319

4 жыл бұрын

@@turbowolf302 hahaha.

@Trogdor390

4 жыл бұрын

It's gotta be Ian's EDC.

@Fuzzyburritto93

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnanon6938 so glad you brought that up

The perfect pistol to take to a 2-gun match with a Boys Anti-Tank Rifle.

@kippert8912

Ай бұрын

Boys II Menz

"Just for references sake here's the 2mm Kolibri" he says and just casually takes one out from below the frame and puts it on the desk.

@Arthurzeiro

4 жыл бұрын

Are you questioning the powers of gun jesus?

@dbmail545

4 жыл бұрын

They are sized much more like the kolibri than that Luger. I can't imagine what else you could use to show the size of those. A Bic lighter?

@ZANGELIX1263

9 ай бұрын

4 years later but the purpose of this comment baffles me... what else would he possibly do besides put a Kolibri on the desk, after saying hes gonna show a Kolibri.... Its a size comparison. Naturally hes gonna put said Kolibri pistol on the desk. Is this supposed to be a joke of some kind? 🤷‍♂️ maybe i just dont understand modern humor.

@Nukle0n

9 ай бұрын

@@ZANGELIX1263 normally when you make reference to another obscure and rare thing you might not have one handy, and so you maybe edit in a photo of one into the video. You are a victim of what is called overthinking and then overexplaining your overthinking by trying to mock it as weird humor. Maybe relax and post less.

@tomwinterfishing9065

2 ай бұрын

Ian’s EDC contains everything.

In the thumbnail they didn't look too small, but as soon as the video starts you realise just how tiny winy they are.

@mrb692

4 жыл бұрын

KTo288 Baby Browning vs .50 BMG: i.imgur.com/5T4mBya.jpg

@JonatasAdoM

4 жыл бұрын

Either that or Ian's a giant

@williamszy2827

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine someone tries mugging you with one of these

Menz Liliput. When you absolutely positively have to get a good present to that lovely Texan lady next door.

@bulldowozer5858

4 жыл бұрын

This pistol easily wits in womens pockets.

@kentchr76

4 жыл бұрын

Texan? You better give her an AR-15 then :) .

@RedShocktrooperRST

4 жыл бұрын

@@kentchr76 Not in 1927 you're not ;D

@kentchr76

4 жыл бұрын

RedShocktrooper Lol that’s true :) .

@juandemarko8348

3 жыл бұрын

No joke I got my granny a .25 browning and she carries it 24/7

I love how at the end of each video Ian says “Hopefully you enjoyed the video...” I think it’s safe to say that everyone here enjoys every video Ian has ever done. Hopefully Ian keeps this up for a very long time to come.

In the immortal words of Mae, "It's so wee!"

@hardmcshaft5665

4 жыл бұрын

John Preisler thats what she said

@allanragnarson7898

4 жыл бұрын

Gross.

4:11 Ian’s comedic timing is, as always, impeccable

My great grandpa brought one back from wwii and shot opossums in this garden with it. It is a 6.35 and he used 25 auto, it blew up one time he shot, it is fine but it is missing the piece that you push to disassemble it.

When he put the luger in as a size comparison I burst out laughing

The Liliput was mentioned by Ian Fleming in the Bond books, as a backup gun and as an alternative to Bond's .25 Beretta (PPK was used at the only at the end of the book series). Fleming apparently was very familiar with their use as assassin's weapons.

@BigSwede7403

4 жыл бұрын

IIRC, is it not mentioned in the books when they issue him the PPK that it is as a replacment for the Beretta that "failed" him? I only heard this second hand so i have no idea if it´s true, and if by "failed" they meaned jammed or failed to get noticible effect on target.

@Nukle0n

4 жыл бұрын

@@BigSwede7403 It failed to stop an assailant and injured him, being only a .25 ACP it's replaced by... a .32 ACP. Honestly why not just get a 9mm at that point.

@mikekemp9877

4 жыл бұрын

@@BigSwede7403 fleming intended killing bond off after from russia with love and concentrate on a tv series commander jamaica .had written 6 episodes which later became dr no and the stories in for your eyes only. rosa klebb kills him with a poisened [fugu fish}shoe.his silencer jams in his shoulder holster.in the comeback dr no [tv series fell through]m replaces it with a smith and wesson .38 airweight and a ppk in .32 not .380 as you might expect as he feels the gun could let him down again.this was due to fleming like most of brits who served in the war having little interest in the guns they were issued as long as they worked! and handguns being a very small part of our culture.a gunsmith wrote to him and pointed out that the two guns he recommended the .38 and ppk were more suitable than a .25.as it was bond carried his ppk in a shoulder holster which was actually a berns martin clip on belt holster for the smith and wesson. actually fleming was right at the start.a soe oss exhibit in the imperial war museum reveals that our wartime spies almost exclusively used .25 s as a carry piecee.easily concealable and really the weapon of last resort either to kill or take your own life! dont forget bond also had a colt .45 in his car and a snipers rifle for anticipated firefights. the liliput is not mentioned in fleming but does crop up in alistair maccleans where eagles dare.and robert shaw in from russia also carries a .25 to kill bond!

@BigSwede7403

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nukle0n While i agree completly, i think they were kind of limited in what they could pick. They sure was not going to let Bond carry a Makarov, the FN 1903 was probably too heavy. Don´t know if the 9mm short version of the PPK was available then?

@Nukle0n

4 жыл бұрын

@@BigSwede7403 The first James Bond novels were from the early 50's. I would think with how much he uses his gun, carrying an FN Hi-Power should not really have been that much of a stretch but yeah for something a bit more concealable that spy could carry, the .380 PPK would probably have been more preferable compared to the vimpy .32, esp if your problem with a .25 ACP is that it won't stop a guy.

Always been fascinated with the mechanics of guns. Miniaturization is another aspect of just how interesting and varied pistol designs can be.

Must resist making a joke about men's pocket lilliputs

The author Alister MacLean mentioned the 4.25mm variant in several of his action/adventure books. I just read "Fear is the Key" having seen the movie made from the book.

@leonardotavaresdardenne9955

4 жыл бұрын

That was the Where Eagles Dare dude right?

Great way to start my day, thanks Ian! Love the noisey crickets!

I have one of these, a model 1927 in .25 ACP... fantastic gun and an absolute meme

After seeing the Liliput disassembled, I can definitely see where the old Raven Arms pistols got their designs.

2mm and 4.25mm,perfect for stopping a charging June bug

i think people underestimate the amount of damage that these small calibre rounds do.

@Nukle0n

4 жыл бұрын

You would not want to be gutshot with either one of these, this was in the days before antibiotics, so you'd probably slowly die in a hospital.

@user-bn1sf8lm6o

6 ай бұрын

Well they certainly aren't going to overestimate them

Squirrels need the right to bear arms too.

@chrishanson9748

4 жыл бұрын

Bearing arms, arming bears.

@tarmaque

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrishanson9748 Science Fiction author Gordon R. Dickson released a compilation novel containing 3 novelettes, called _The Right to Arm Bears._

@neutralobserver3423

4 жыл бұрын

@@tarmaque Entertaining books. RIP Gordon R. Dickson.

@tarmaque

4 жыл бұрын

@@neutralobserver3423 Indeed. But I'm still mad at him for never finishing _The Childe Cycle_ before he died. All the while writing an endless series of _The Dragon and the George_ fluff novels.

@reallife3338

4 жыл бұрын

Lol that would be scary

Very interesting little pistols. Thanks for showing them Ian

"But when would you use an underwear gun?" "Hopefully never."

@voiceofraisin3778

4 жыл бұрын

@@slamblamboozled1245 inalienable ant arms?

@bulldowozer5858

4 жыл бұрын

How would it be safe $ex, without propper armament?

@voiceofraisin3778

4 жыл бұрын

@@bulldowozer5858 Depends if you get an accidental discharge i guess?

@aussiebloke609

4 жыл бұрын

@voice of raisin I hear penicillin is good for that sort of thing. :-P

@Rob-bn9ib

4 жыл бұрын

They've got great stopping power, I hear.

17 ft/pounds! That's still 5ft/pounds more than we're permitted for air rifles in the UK and 11 more than air pistols.

@LostBeetle

4 жыл бұрын

@Christie Malry So you and a couple of your friends all managed to get a pellet embedded into your bodies? How irresponsible were you guys? Maybe if they were a higher fpe you guys would have had more respect. 12 fpe can still be lethal by the way.

@maicondicasetutoriais387

4 жыл бұрын

@Christie Malry Here on brazil last week a kid died by a shot made with an b3 chinese air rifle (they have like 7-7.5 ft/lbs I think) 12 ft/lbs can definetively kill a kid and even an adult, that law doens't make any sense in terms of safety

@maicondicasetutoriais387

4 жыл бұрын

@Christie Malry the b3 airguns for sale here gives a maximum of 470 fps with a 14.6 grain pellet, never seen one with more fps than that Here we dont have power limits and doens't have 'dozens of kids killed' by those scary powerful airguns In fact when some kid dies is generally because an very old rossi dione or a cbc 145 (some brazilian made airgun that gives about 5 ft) that they reach on the basement of their grandfathers

@maicondicasetutoriais387

4 жыл бұрын

@Christie Malry and you just dont throw a gun in the hands of a untrained kid First make clear what are the safety rules with guns

@boymahina123

4 жыл бұрын

Apparently the dinky 4.25 is legal by virtue of it being "obsolete"

Great videos, Ian! Keep em coming

No antibiotics you say, these wee buggers make alot more sense "Stay back or you'll die of infection" 👉

@austinsears1637

4 жыл бұрын

Ahahahaha!!! Just simply fill one of these hollow points with pure liquid nicotine and then they die of nicotine overdose..... super kraykray

@langanjoseph

4 жыл бұрын

@@austinsears1637 to be fair that's actually not a terrible idea hmm🤔

@flightlesschicken7769

4 жыл бұрын

@@austinsears1637 isn't pure nicotine a crystal at room temperature?

@44WarmocK77

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, that's why the .22 short was actually quite effective these days. As the late Barry on IV8888 pointed out in their vid about how far a 22 will kill:"You WILL die from a 22 back in those days - not immediately, but over a couple of days."

I freakin love bizarre little old european mirco pistols. i cant get enough of them and was already digging this video when the Kolibri jumped out too. I love all your content Ian but ancient micro pistols are what I love maybe the most

Liliput is quite a clever name for a small pistol.

I regularly carry a beretta jetfire. I love pocket pistols, just so neat.

Advertising from the Menz Wearhouse: You're going to like your pistol. I guarantee it.

Fascinating and very comprehensive video, 👍( for those who mock the power of even the tiny 4mm, 17ft lbs will kill a man with a head shot ( 3ft lbs penetrates rabbit skulls)

@PavelNygryn

4 жыл бұрын

The trick is - stuff the other guy with as many bullets as you can. One bullet is just test of fortune.

@dejjal8683

4 жыл бұрын

always go for center mass

@ironwolfF1

4 жыл бұрын

You could always go for a 'throat punch' with authority... ;-)

Thank you , Ian .

amenz? sounds like gangsta ending a prayer.

@stevejohnson6593

4 жыл бұрын

*praya

@movessmitt6427

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevejohnson6593 Ugh. The first comment was barely funny, you're pushin' it.

The Beholla/Menz/Stenda/Leonhardt story seems to be EXTREMELY tangled, with many different (and mutually incompatible) versions existing. The Unblinking Eye/Guns website version, which Ian uses here, seems to be the best researched to date.

Awesome vid.

The disassembly reminded me of a little Saturday nigh special 25acp my dad gave me. I think it's a Raven or something like that. I messed around with it a bit but never could get it to run very reliably, I believe the safety was switching on under recoil. I never bothered much since I have other pocket pistols that are better in every way, lol

Wow! I see where Jenning"s got the look for their 22 and 25 caliber pistols. I have a couple of the Jenning's 22 LR pistols that are great little guns...they shot great but are 22LR. Cool video.

Ian, I know one I’d like to see, because they’ve always fascinated me. The Vector CP-1. A fascinating if poorly designed piece.

Becker and Hollender, like in the Beholla pistol? I had one of those. Same design as the Menta.

The operation reminds me of a lot of the cast zinc guns coming out of California, only in decent steel. They use the same spring, slide, trigger and sear design.

Based on a lot of things I've read over time, .22 LR has a 50% one hit fight stoppage rate. Just the act of being shot makes a lot of people stop fighting regardless of how much damage the wound caused, so in that 6.35mm would stop a lot of people with a single hit as well.

Pretty sure I first came across mention of this pistol in a James Bond book. I think Fleming described it as ' a ladies gun'. Nice to actually see one at last.

Had you posted this, say, 9 hours ago, this would have came out on Saturday night. That would have been much more fitting for the design and appearance.

Can we expect something related to the 80th anniversary of the outbreak of WW2 anytime soon? Any Polish weapons on auction or something?

@keanur6541

4 жыл бұрын

80 years ago Today at 4:44am Eu time. Germany invades poland and starts ww2 . in two days on Tuesday at 11pm europe time. Uk and france declares war. 80 years ago today ww2 has begun

@janwacawik7432

4 жыл бұрын

@@keanur6541 80 years ago first German bombs fell on The defenceless city of Wieluń, at 4:40 AM. Mere two hours later my hometown, Krosno, was also bombed. The first minutes of the Polish campaign gave way for a war that would change the world and humanity forever.

@keanur6541

4 жыл бұрын

@@janwacawik7432 60+million died within 6 years. Just shows how devastating war is. I always felt sympathy for the polish. Always caught in the middle. How are things in poland these days.. Greetings from south africa

@janwacawik7432

4 жыл бұрын

@@keanur6541 Peace at last. Of course, the politicians are bickering as always, but from a simple citizen's standpoint, things are better than anyone can remember. Economy is on the rise, the demography is better than in other EU countries. I'm happy to live in such a time and graceful to all who fought to make things as they are now, including my ancestors. Greetings to you too, friend.

Cool video. I recall from my schooldays in the 1970's, when Alistair MacLean was mandatory reading for all boys, one of his novels had a nasty villain with a penchant for a 4.25mm Liliput, which in those pre-internet days made it an object of speculative technical conversation without anyone actually knowing what the gun looked like...

They look like starting pistols!

@bulldowozer5858

4 жыл бұрын

Menz (probably doing heroin), it'll grow!

Would be awesome to see an example of the miniature ammo to really appreciate the size difference.

Fantastic pieces of history. Now the real sense of effectiveness is much more attached to firearms than it has some time ago.

Ian, love your videos could you take a little bit to explain how retailers worked in the 1900's? Were they just mom and pop shops or were there large stores such as today? Thanks!

What every artist needs in their paint box if you can’t afford an Apache duster.

I guess it's safe to assume the name is a reference to Gulliver's Travels based on the size.

I subscribed a few days ago, and I am happy now 😀

The fixed barrel of the 4.25 is intended to get the necessary accuracy to hit in the eye

Alistair McCLean kept mentioning these in his books, but he was hardly an expert. Thanks for showing what they were actually like.

@thelonerider5644

4 жыл бұрын

Gosh i remember that! I think he described the little one as "the smallest really effective pistol" or some such. Probably right he was not expert but... Not complaining, I loves his stories as a kid.

So Menz got bought out by Bergmann??? So I suppose that this is a continuation of the “Forgotten Bergmanns” era of this page?

Internet research indicates the 6.35mm gun weighs just a little bit more than 2 rounds of .50 BMG M2 ball. The 4.25mm one weighs about the same as 7 rounds of 7.62mm M80 ball.

Jesus it makes the Luger looks HUGE

Taking a Look on the "FN Baby" from WW I (also in 6.35mm) would be very interesting too :-)

Neat little pocket pistols tiny things be easy to hide up a sleeve .

Oh! They're adorable!

Love to see one of the 4-1/4 being shot with a disabled disconnect be an interesting noise full auto

Kind of reminds me of a ortiges 6.35 pistol

Tiny, but still deadly if you aim right reminds me of a certain video by corridor digital

I need this in bfv yesterday...

It would be nice to see a couple of rounds for these guns.

I just got to shoot an early 20s model Zehna pistol in .25. This was an awesome watch.

When he said one was a little smaller I cracked up

Love unusual guns like this, the rarer, uglier, not effective, unreliable, badly made the better for a collector like me.

@etelmo

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, we need another Chinese mystery pistol video!

@silverfingerthesilverstack5062

4 жыл бұрын

@@etelmo Yeah something full auto, rougher than a badgers anus and dangerous to the user, I love them all.

@etelmo

4 жыл бұрын

@@silverfingerthesilverstack5062 Perfect, sadly we would never see a live fire demonstration of such a beast...

@silverfingerthesilverstack5062

4 жыл бұрын

@@etelmo Thats what a table, vice and a long piece of string was designed for lol

@silverfingerthesilverstack5062

4 жыл бұрын

@Scumfuck McDoucheface But only if we can see a live fire, now that would be interesting.

Oh, I see. This weapon was made to be pulled out of nowhere, when you are getting jumped, the robber can't use his knife, because you have made this a gunfight!

@grahamrankin4725

3 жыл бұрын

How long was ammo available for the 4.25?

I would love to see another Velo-Dog revolver review, if Ian could find a centerfire one.

WOW .25acp 65 ftlbs .22lr 130 ftlbs that makes the. 22lr look like a man stopper with twice the power

@NephilBlade

4 жыл бұрын

Is that from a rifle length barrel, though?

@devincook2736

4 жыл бұрын

If your .22 lr has a barrel long enough to get the velocity to get that energy figure it probably won't fit in your shirt pocket. 80fpe from a pocket pistol length barrel is much more reasonable. Speaking of which, I have a j-22 I rebarreled and need to Chrono..

Don't think for a moment your fan base did not hear the change in pitch when you were discussing the 4.25 mm pistol. Angling for work as a voice artist Ian? (Greetings from the U.K.)

The valor .25 and la fury .25 are some copies of this i had just a bit cheaper made

IAN LOOKED LIKE HE. GOT GIANTIZED AT FIRST VIEW

I don't know why, but for some reason those medallions in the grip plates are quite visually appealing. Generally speaking I'm not a fan of that sort of embellishment but it looks "right" on these pieces.

Reminds me of the Ortgies pistols I used to have...

So Ian’s everyday carry is a Kolibri, a Luger and a China Lake

23J, so about the power of a good airgun. Anemic indeed

I love tiny little guns!

Please do a review on cz45 pocket pistol chamber in 6.35mm... please!!! Many thanks

Where can you get 4.25 mm bullets that's what 17 caliber I think

Most people forget, that these pocket pistols were popular because they were very concealable. You could literally carry it in your pants pocket or a vest and never be looked at. Unlike even, say a Model 1903 Colt or Model 1900 or 1910 Browning. Even the Walther PPk is large enough to get noticed. These were also popular with women, as the were small enough for them to use.

Awww..... was so waiting for "...Papa Menz"

Oh hey these seem cool

I am not really surprised how similar the design is to the Jennings/Jimenez line of ring of fire guns. I see that the slide design is almost the same, and the hook that holds the slide on is just moved from the frame to the slide, making it replaceable when it cracks.

The thumbnail did not prepare me for how small these are

I just noticed this pistol in the old movie "Metropolis." Did some research and here I am.

BTW here's the kolibri for scale

Big like my friend!

This looks like the deliverer

I have an excellent 1926 Liliput 6.35 version. Works great. I can't find anywhere that tells how to take the firing pin and spring out. Does anyone know how?

I've seen this design before, Lorcin used it (ripped it off) in the 90s. .

I'm very curious as to what the rate would be if you cut down the seer reset plunger, allowing for automatic firing. Since the travel is short, and the spring is pretty weak, it would probably empty pretty fast... Presumably someone did that at some point, at least by accident (it broke?), would love to know more...

That 4.25mm cartridge is TINY! I am not sure that could do more than wound a rat. But the first S&W revolvers shot .22short so...

Now imagine the size of the Womenz liliput!

It'd be pretty funny to see one of these firing in full auto.

good god, how many bullets would even fit in the .32 ACP version, 4 or 5?

Excellent, now my model railroad crews can defend themselves against bandits.

Recommended by the Nac Mac Feegle.

The sear set up, barrel configuration, recoil spring etc look surprisingly similar to the Raven MP-25 I inherited from my grandfather. Does anyone know if Jennings copied this design (in Zamak) or are their other later designs that continued this general mechanical layout? I know very little about the "Saturday night special" development history- there does not seem to be much info out there, which is too bad as these are important firearms designs, although considered below the dignity much of the firearms community.