If men cared about what women think they would stop wearing the AXE deodorant 😭😭

@FashionRoadman

3 ай бұрын

LOOOL!!! This sent me 😭

@mrfamilyfriendly4370

3 ай бұрын

Dior Sauvage crowd in shambles

Fashion will never be genderless. Its just politics, not actually something in practice or production. At the end of the day, if youre a man who wants to shop in womenswear or a woman who wants to shop in menswear - just do that and dont make a big deal about it

@gelmibson883

3 ай бұрын

Word

@canesugar911

2 ай бұрын

Gender is genderless in the sense that, trends move from male to female and vice versa.

Hey man. Just wanted to say how inspiring it is to see someone my age with such a vast knowledge and the accolades you possess. Love your videos, peace!

@FashionRoadman

3 ай бұрын

Really appreciate it!

Fashion brands that wasn't part of big corporates need to slow down to avoid fashion fatigue.. stop with these 2 Spring/Summer (men & women), 2 Autumn/Fall (men & women), couture, cruise and prefall. Some brand like chanel and dior has "artistic" (metiers) collection whatsoever.. its too much

The fashion industry has become too big. It's now a literal industry - mass production, consumption, entertainment ( fashion shows on YT ). The sustainable future of luxury fashion can only be fashion as a small artisanal pursuit, small companies, small consumer base, literally mom and pop stores, where fashion is only for a rich few. It's elitists, but that's what high fashion was in the beginning. The problem is luxury fashion became fast fashion ( mass produced consumption ). That is why luxury fashion will die, because it became something it was not and should never become.

That take at 18:00 is on point. The internet crippled organic creative growth. Now, instead of brands telling us what we should wear. They look to us and the beat of society to navigate what they create.

men wear what they think women will like, which is different than what we actually like

I think Masculinity in fashion is an interesting topic of discussion. I personally identify with a lot of traditional menswear aesthetics, but So many of the non avant garde brands pander to the fantasy of the tall, dark, high status male who seduces subservient women with their masculine charm. Mens perfume adverts are a notable example of this. Masculine archetypes need to be expressed in a way that gets rid of these toxic elements. Dries Van Noten is an incredible menswear designer for this reason. He makes traditional Men's clothing that are expressive and sensitive - Masculinity without the toxic hangups.

@gobyfish1399

3 ай бұрын

Are you saying tall dark handsome, high status and I would assume well built too is TOXIC ? No. There is nothing toxic about a man who is tall, handsome, muscular and has money. Subservient women what do you mean ? In some perfume ad, the woman is attracted to tall dark handsome, rich, well built, its a ad, so its short and maybe you're reading too much into it, but what is the subservience ? That the woman is attracted to those qualities ? What is non toxic masculinity to you ?

@johnathanblack836

3 ай бұрын

@@gobyfish1399 I'm not saying that any of those attributes, or even masculinity itself is toxic. I'm saying that they're frequently used by menswear brands to sell a fantasy of masculinity that is toxic.

@gobyfish1399

3 ай бұрын

@@johnathanblack836 But what is the fantasy of masculinity you are talking about ? The way the man treats the women in the ad ? I don't know what ad you are talking about, but I'm guessing its usually man walks by, woman swoons, glances are exchanged, hint of a sexual encounter later. Something like that ? Most ad for male fragrances I remember recently, usually hunk sort of walks around, emerges from the sea, or gazes into the distance alone, that's it.

i think that it is generaly better when items come in mens and womens. they might be very simmilar but doing straight up unisex products usualy compromises fit for everyone

Here's my opinion on these hot takes: 1) The issue with the current version of genderless fashion is that it only really works in the image sense, rather than the product sense. I like to use Yves Saint Laurent as a good example of "genderless" fashion, because he often pulled silhouettes from "menswear" (the tuxedo, pantsuit, safari suit) and adapted them to fit a feminine body. It allowed women to wear more "masculine" styles without drowning in masses of fabric. Designers today could benefit from reversing that approach to introduce skirts and dresses to mainstream "menswear" 2) I think that the reason why scandals in the fashion industry are so public is because fashion is a very public industry, especially in the last 20 years. On top of that, public-facing industries attract a lot of very self-centred, egotistical people who will ruin someone for their personal or professional gain. 3) Resort/Cruise and Pre-Fall collections aren't a new phenomenon, but the destination show concept is. Prior to the 00s, pre-collections were small capsule collections that would've been shown to private buyers. Often times, creative directors would fully delegate these collections to their design in order to focus on the more public runway collections. In 2000, Chanel started to publicly present their cruise collections and in 2002, presented their first "Métier d'Art" collection (their official pre-fall is always a private showroom affair for them). Chanel continued to show those collections in Paris, until they showed their Md'A 2004 collection in Tokyo, followed by a Cruise 2005 show in New York. Dior followed suit the following year, but the avalanche of destination shows didn't begin until Louis Vuitton held their first Cruise show by Nicolas Ghesquière in 2014. Personally, I think that two collections/shows a year is enough for most designers. Additional shows should only apply if a brand does Couture or wants to market their womenswear and menswear separately. Pre-collections can be banished to the showrooms, if they're even done at all.

I do think there is something about fashion specifically that attracts abusers and it’s the predominant emphasis on beauty. Beautiful people populate the industry and at the same time their beauty does not always correspond to power. In the same way ballerinas, actors, and other industries where beauty abounds, narcissists are better able to exert their self importance by harming or debasing beautiful people for self gratification. It’s not just that people within the industry can be narcissistic, it’s that others outside the industry recognize fashions proximity to beauty and view fashion as a site for exploiting or accessing beauty. In other words, the preeminent currency in fashion is power but the most abundant resource is beauty. Those with power mine what they see as a rare but renewable resource

If you think men in skirts are not hot, you have never seen Ewan McGregor or Ncuti Gatwa in a kilt! 😁

Womens clothing is dictated by the male gaze! As a woman I prefer it and find it more attractive when men dress more feminine! So yes I find it super hot when 'straight' men wear skirts 🤤😍

With regards to brands losing their identity, it's also worth saying that many of these luxury houses are also now owned by the same conglomerate, so all their fashion directors are hired by (and responsible to) the same small pool of executives. It's the same thing that happened to with media company mega-mergers like 20 years ago, which led to the death of a lot of independent cinema at the time.

Im trying to get into fashion again. Knowledge wise. And kind of a big reason why I fell out of it was because of its fast pace. I could barely keep up ,nor do I care too.I know some but it’s mostly older collections.

I’ve been saying for the longest now that “quiet luxury” isn’t a trend… it’s a brand identity, and how foolish it is for brands to use it as a trend.

Great explanations. We can't throw biology out the window. Genderless clothing does need to be more thoughtful instead of leaning mostly towards men's wear.

Wow, you are the only one that thinks logically about genderless fashion!

Your comments are always on point! Thank you.

Ok soooo i hope you don't mind me chiming into this conversation and offering my 2 pence. So on the subject surrounding masculinity and fashion, tied into the subject of men dressing not for themselves, I divulge away from this personally. So i love wearing a silhouette that's regarded as feminine, as I'm smallish and would be regarded as a size 6 in women's due to my tiny waist, and i do have a small hip dip. On the contrary i have a very feminine facial features, but i also have this boyish look to me too. So i gravitate towards clothes that are tighter but have a masculine sporty twist, that still offer a feminine silhouette. At the moment i see a mix of masc and fem body shapes in trends, for example cargos and a tight fitted top offer a mix of a silhouette that masks the fem shape and conceals fem curves, but also offers a fem touch in regards to the tight top, yet still has a masc touch in the way it doesn't compliment women's curves but hides them. I think it's interesting as i think allot of the idea of masc and fem fashion lies on the idea of attraction. For ex, you'd get someone like harry styles that can wear skirts and allot of women are sexually attracted to that look, but then you get asap rocky that will also wear a skirt who again is an attractive man, but looks great. I think what you wear and how you pull it off all comes down to how you look. Im married however my wife prefers me in tracksuits, and shirts, however i'll happily wear what i want, and when she sees how and why i put outfits together in a certain way, she gets it and loves it. Im very interested in other povs of this, and as usual great video!

I have a feeling that most millennial designers have grew up with watching fashion show of the past century and had the idea that this is what fashion looks like and wanted to replicate it only to find out how it is now ruined thanks to all money hungry business men

There are more elaborate ways in which designers explore the ideas of genderless fashion like temporarily altering the body with a garment. A recent example is John Galliano for Maison Margiela, putting men in corsets to bring in their waists in unnatural ways, like traditionally has been done for women, but in the case of women wearing them maybe more than unnatural, we’d call it exaggerated. That way of doing genderless fashion is not ill fitting cause you’re using garments to fit the body instead of the other way around. Personally I wouldn’t necessarily call that genderless cause it’s creating a typical feminine feature on a man. There’s still so much gender in the whole conversation. A lot of times what people call genderless should perhaps be called gender play. Or something..

Just watched kingdom of dreams after you recommended. It was really eye opening. Whenever you talk about it you never mention that Tom Ford had a cocaine and alcohol addiction throughout the ten years he was creative director of Gucci. I didn't know this before the doc series - he managed to keep that under wraps unlike Galliano

@FashionRoadman

3 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s actually the case every single designer profiled in the series had issues one way or another. Goes to show how problematic the current fashion system is and now it’s even worse than it was

@xx-----------xx873

Ай бұрын

Can't lie if you've smelled Tuscan Leather you'll have probably figured that out lol straight brick

YES IT IS ALWAYS MENS CLOTHING SAYING IT IS GENDERLESS!! There has been a trend of hating on clothing considered feminine in the name of progress. Makes no sense. It has the opposite effect. Just dress however you like

Great start to the morning. love from the US 🤍

@FashionRoadman

3 ай бұрын

Have a great morning!

i'd say men who are into fashion probably tend to care less about what women thinks about their clothes while men who are not that into fashion as the viewers of this channel tends to care more about what women thinks about their clothes. And then of course, there is also a category of men who care about fashion but not the way the viewers of this channel do, namely, those who watches Teachingmenfashion and alpha m etc...

I was almost done writing this whole paragraph about “genderless fashion” and then I realized that wait, the problem with this ‘genderless fashion’ thing is that we have mistaken ‘gender’ for ‘sex’. Fashion is already genderless… Men’s wear is made to fit a assigned-male-at-birth (AMAB) person, and women’s wear is made to fit a assigned-female-at-birth (AFAB) person. Which are sex, biological classifications. However society has made it so that all the clothes that fit well on AMAB’s all are put in the same category of “masculine, men clothes”, and clothes that fit well on AFAB’s all are put in the same category of “feminine, women clothes”. And so yeah, fashion itself is genderless. And if brands want to progress in a true “genderless fashion” way, then the first step is realizing that.

Thank you< very informative.

Hands down best take on the genderless stupidity. Thanks mate

Love the way you went in depth and explained the hot takes. I also agree with your takes on them. Great video! ❤

I love men in skirts specially my fav ones: pleated skirts. Pleated skirts and coats every day for all of us :) Men dress for women… not really, men dress more for other men in the same way women do. There is a component of dress to attract but it is the perception of what we think the ones we want to attract want but many times it is just a wrong perception.

Great video. Besides the insanely rich and do they really buy/need new clothes every pre and regular season, who is buying all of these clothes? Or are the brands making enough money from accessories, fragrance and makeup to keep the brand afloat?

Do you see any path to rational degrowth in the fashion industry? I appreciate your point about the whole thing self destructing, and I think you are right. At the same time I wish change could come about without the chaos and trauma to people working in the industry and adjacent industries.

My man went to see Lauren James instead of Reece James cause he’s always injured lol

@FashionRoadman

3 ай бұрын

Haha, Lauren James is a baller though 😂

Fit is different than gender expression. How one’s clothes fit is subjective. And, sure, when you’re at the whims of mass-produced clothing, you’re limited to what is presented based on general proportions and sizes of men, women, and children. But challenging the _concept_ of pants or skirts or tops, etc. is a deliberate political act that has been and continues to be done. There is no need to truck in questions of personal fit of clothing and confusing that with the value of challenging gender norms. The women playing football is the challenge to gender norms, not whether or not their uniforms or shoes fit.

I have so many hot takes, Mens fashion for the most part blows and barely ever seriously sees any real change, "modern Hanfu" is a far more interesting trend than anything in Western fashion and does far better at doing "gender-bending" fashion since Asian cultures don't have a historical tie to Western Menswear so dresses, robes, capes etc are all fine, Zoomers still have literally no unique fashion identity that isn't just LARPing previous eras counter cultures, The most fun overlooked fashion movement in the west currently is the Bush Doof counter culture.

I agree there needs to be a huge adjustment and it’s clear that late stage capitalism is not sustainable. However, I am not sure a collapse is what we should hope for. If the fashion system collapses other things have also collapsed and we will have more to worry about than fashion.

Loved your genderless exploration. But how fashion can get high engagement without creativity in their pieces? Or is mean by markething of using celebs vs actual creative pieces ? Like the boring male met gala looks on high engagement ( of their fans) on celebs ?

UP THE CHELS!!! Tottenham get battered everywhere they go… 2:0 babyyyy

@FashionRoadman

3 ай бұрын

Always love a win against Tottenham 😂 #COYB

ir genderless clothing, what's sad is even a lot of women's clothing isn't really tailored. i almost always have to take in pants even women's pants, or they are baggy and can pass that way. there even was a brand that got wider around the waist, looking at you kenzo. also thom browne... i love his designs, as you said few genderless designers on the male side, but his women's pants(from what i've seen)... waist seems fine, but the rest feels so similar to men's pants, ir won't fit most women, because most don't have chopstick legs. adding on your "i want a fitting suit" point. yes! and this goes both ways tops is similar, while nipped in waist exist. ime they aren't that nipped, also most tops aren't made for people over 70b, which isn't a lot. most tops aren't really that fitted, or if fitted they aren't tailored but stretchy/knitted. like men could wear those pieces, in case of not strecthy/knitted fitted tops add a corset and it could work. women's skirts etc wouldn't work, but pants and tops could really work. ir fashion and sa, kinda. obv it's a lot of different things at play. but yes one problem, a lot of narcissist or plain assholes are around. but this is where i disagree, those assholes exist everywhere, but only in artistic fields (not just fashion) it's so prevalent and they are free to act however they won't, no pushback, on every powerlevel. corporate has it's mangers etc, but at least on lower power levels they are somewhat reigned in. and i believe that really seperates artistic field from eg formula 1 your average mechanic can't power trip, as much as even some low level fashion graduates (sorry, don't know how to better word) boss around ppl imo one main reason is seperation of artist and art can't work if a person is alive. galliano and lagerfeld has said, and done, some super questionable shit. but everyone just ignores it, because galliano, because lagerfeld, yk? galliano is back on top, tbh he never really left. like he just had to keep his head down for a few years, but he never was gone. lagerfeld critics only got attention after his death, and still ppl excuse his behaviour with his art. artistic field are just so much easier to just fall back on their art, use it as an excuse for all their bs

to me I love the essence of it all so not fashion or the things that fall within the framework, so I only dress for myself and what I enjoy, which as a maximalist is not for everyone but I could care less lol thank god ppl in my life are also pretty much like me. About the dress and more feminine styles for men, its not a woman thing imo more a societal pressure thing. LIke ppl are just going to stare and its uncomfortable if you again, care a lot. I have the time for magic comme skirt, the vetement skirt, number nine wrap skirts etc etc like its been part of men's fashion especially non mainstream.

99% of clothing available in the world, is gendered. I don't care whether you're talking about luxury, avant-garde, high street, whatever. The idea that the mainstream of fashion designers are trying to force genderless or feminized clothing onto men, is nonsense. Some incel-in-training nonsense.

Rather than describing fashion as genderless, it would be more accurate to describe it as gender defying. Most fashion designs align with traditional gender expectations, but there are some designers that create designs that defy traditional gender styles. A really good example is the fact that women wear trousers today even though for most of history that wasn’t the case. In fact, for hundreds of years, it was considered abnormal (and immoral) for women to wear trousers in cultures where men traditionally wore trousers. There were some women in the 19th century that challenged that idea, but it took several decades for society to accept trousers as a normal part of a woman’s wardrobe. One cultural limitation that we still have, is the idea of men adapting any element of fashion that is historically associated with women. It is more common to see masculine design elements adapted into women’s fashion. I would like to see designers challenge traditional men’s fashions by adapting elements that are usually seen in women’s fashion in a unique and creative way. It would still be men’s fashion, but it would incorporate elements in a way that could be approachable or accessible to the average guy so that it doesn’t seem so daunting.