it's amazing how despite denying religion so fervently, the Pre-Heresy Imperium was as fanatical as it can be in its ideals.

@johnmosser6695

2 жыл бұрын

Such is the human condition. A need to place our confidence in something beyond ourselves. Those who claim to be secular or atheist oft place such faith in the elimination of faith, that it becomes a religion unto itself. I believe this is what sets us apart from animals; for to live "for no greater purpose" whatever that might be, is to live only by bestial instinct. Truth is such an elusive thing.

@aceriverpirate9795

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnmosser6695 indeed. Humans have an undying and undeniable psychological need to believe in something. Rather than be guided by instinct or logic humans are guided by their emotions but are far from blind to the uncaring nature of the universe and the fact we are a social species means without belief in something greater than ourselves, we would more than likely become existentially depressed. In a secular culture, the belief that humanity should learn and understand the world around us and conquer it is similar to the religious belief that they must spread the faith and conquer the world for their deity. Depending on the faith, the general idea that we must look out for each other is practically always there. Whether or not we separate ourselves from other "different" groups of people is where conflict arises . . .

@DarkArtistKaiser

2 жыл бұрын

Many may not realize it, but religions opposite does not exist separately from it. In reality, they are in many ways very similar, just in different ways, but both need each other for us to know either. Thus, a fanatic on one side will look similar to another on the other. It is a major reason why the Emperor failed. He could only really encompass one side of humanity, and tried to destroy and reject the other half, and in doing so failed to take into account things that would inevitably bring him and his imperium low.

@banneduser5187

2 жыл бұрын

@@DarkArtistKaiser Wut you talkin bout humie? Everyone knows da emprah failed because da orks was too hard and da choas crazies wont come out da warp because Gork n Mork will clobber em! Lay off da squig juice ya grot

@johnisaacfelipe6357

Жыл бұрын

the most powerful, most beautiful, most animating, and most dangerous thing in human existence is purity of purpose. With it, you can crack open the earth.

The "Imperial Truth" went up in the same flames through which that daemon appeared when Kyril accidentally summoned it in the library 😆

The Politicians of the Far Future. If this man were to tell me that I am a pig, I'd roll around in the mud right there

It is ironic that he became one of the first inquisitors .

This was amazing

@OfficioAudiorum

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Toby Longworth is such an amazing narrator, and as always, your music pumps it to the next level. Fantastic stuff. Got me ready to grab my chainsaw and shout “FOR THE EMPEROR”, much to the chagrin of my neighbors.

Very enjoyable! The ambience really fit to the tone and content of the speech, well done

@OfficioAudiorum

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

This is AWESOME!!! Man I wish I could have more compilations like this overtop of BL audiobooks! Please make more, this is 10/10!!

@OfficioAudiorum

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You. I really want to make more too! -given I'm not getting in trouble:)

FIRST FOR THE FIRST GOD! COMMENTS FOR THE ALGORITHM!

Reminds me of the episode from If the Emperor had a Podcast, where Uriah and Emps were duking it out on the intellectual field of combat. I'm right because I know I am right.

Somewhere close to the cicatrix maledictum "Don't disturb me honey, I'm listening to that inspiring ancient audio file talking about there being no demons and devils" "No demons huh? Would you mind having a look outside the window for a quick fact check my darling?"

He was a master iterator but events in this particular warhammer universe proved his early logic to become obsolete overnight. There WERE gods. In this fantasy universe. I like the way the man went onto become a disciple to the Imperial Truth in the narrative of this particular fantasy universe. A play within a play.

You really captured the feel and character of Sindermann. Indeed, you did so well that his oratory is affecting the viewers, convincing them to overlook the fact that the pre-Heresy Imperium was still a genocidal and belligerent space-empire. (Sorry but it's true - and the Emperor, beloved by all, teaches us to speak the truth whatever the consequences.)

@OfficioAudiorum

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You

The truth hits people with a truck.

"Oh noes we should be afraid of being right!"

Ooooooh this is really, really good! Please keep swinging your censers at audiobooks to create this magic! And the more Toby Longworth, the better. Sweet Omnissiah, is his delivery powerful. Like Peter Finch reborn.

Im glad your still alive, nothing heard for weeks

I just want to say i bought both your battle drums of the far futur and Ambience of the far futur on Itunes a while ago and i'm pleased to see you're still going. P.s. Battle drums is great for workouts. Thanks and cheers!

@OfficioAudiorum

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You so much! It means a lot! More Ambiences & Battledrums should come after a few of the Primarchs are out. They will be both in one until then:)

I love this. Its so inspiring.

@OfficioAudiorum

6 ай бұрын

Thank You!

You do a great job really punching up the atmosphere and drama for these scenes.

Reading the siege of terra books at the moment. Kyril sure did a 180 there. "Deamons are fake and religion is stupid... oh boi... I was stupid!" Kyri Sinderman, M. 31 probably Good read tho. Can only recommend

This is inspiring

Oh the irony. Still, it made me think of something: Imagine if the Mechanicus had fallen the other way around during the Heresy. Imagine if the conservative mystics had sided with Horus, and the progressive innovators had joined ranks with Belisarius Cawl on the Emperor's side. Imagine how far they could have progressed. Imagine how much the Imperium could have accomplished.

@KalashVodka175

3 жыл бұрын

The water is kinda muddied on this because on both sides there were conservatives and innovators. Plenty of innovating tech priests in the Imperium even in the 41st millenium tho they tend to do so in hiding or hold enough power to be safe from harm like Cawl Remember one of the big reason half of the mechanicus rebelled is because they felt that their traditions and beliefs had been destroyed by the Emperor, the « fake omnissiah »

@lalas198

2 жыл бұрын

@@KalashVodka175 The leader of the Mechanicum hated the Emperor since day 1 (he always viewed him as an usurper), he just waited for the right moment to rebel. Most traitors either hated Imperial rule (obviously) or were swayed by Horus' words about the Emperor intending to have human bureaucracy rule over the new Imperium (and from a superhuman's/transhuman's POV ,which the Mechanicum and the Space Marines belong to, it was insulting). The Chaos part came later due to warp exposure during the later period of the Horus Heresy or due to them fleeing to the Eye of Terror.

@DarkArtistKaiser

2 жыл бұрын

The other two comments made good points so I'll just add my own two cents. I don't know if it would of been best for humanity to advance in the way the Mechanicus would of wanted. Sure technologically we would of progressed, but to call the imperium in such a timeline "human" would be a stretch considering how much they religiously idolize turning people into machines.

@banneduser5187

2 жыл бұрын

Yuuu wut, da humie tin boyz? Pfffttt Dose gitz wudn't know which end of a stikk bomb to not to chew on!

@willowdelosrios4326

2 жыл бұрын

Even had that happened, even if the Emperor won, and the mechanicum embraced science, and the cult of the god-emperor never been established, the Imperium would still be a monstrous and callous edifice of tyranny and blind hatred. No amount of technological progress can change that. The sad truth of the imperium is that it is founded upon an ideology of hate. It likes to claim to be ‘the hard man making hard decisions’, but most of the time, the problems they solve with brutality and callous disregard for the suffering of others are problems of their own making. The Imperium is a death-cult, obsessed with heroic death and struggle, and eagerly committing genocide on anything and everything that doesn’t meet their narrow criteria. Whether the follow the Imperial Truth or the Imperial Creed is mere window-dressing, because very little of their behavior changes from one to the other; the imperium of the 31st Millennium is just as fascist and evil as the imperium of the 42nd Millennium.

This is soooooooooooooooooooooooooo perfect, I'm lovin' it

@OfficioAudiorum

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You:)

"Come we have a galaxy to conquer"

Dude can you make more of these? I stumbled upon your channel a while ago and, criminally, forgot about it. But now I am listening to 40k audio drama playlist. But while I'm loving every minute. Yet I also regret ever second that passes because it brings it closer to the end. Pleeeeeease dude, can you do more?

@OfficioAudiorum

Жыл бұрын

Thank You so much! I might, it's just a tiny bit controversial, due to the narration I take from the actual audiobooks. I enjoyed making these a lot though!

@Overanalyse_This

Жыл бұрын

@@OfficioAudiorum yeah I get you. I wonder how certain other channels are getting away with it though. And they're pretty big and long running channels that have tons of full length audios🤔

Samus : I will end this man whole career Lol

Emperor protect!!

The most humanizing thing BL did to the Emperor was to write large his hubris.

most excellent

Emporers blessings upon you! You do his work! May the All Father preserve you! The emperor protects!

The greatest lie of the Imperial Truth is not that it denied the existence of the supernatural. The greatest lie of the Imperial Truth is that it denied itself to be a religion: From the Encyclopedia Britannica: "Religion, human beings’ relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, absolute, spiritual, divine, or worthy of especial reverence." Worthy of special reverence. Citing Yuval Harari: “As far as we can tell from a purely scientific viewpoint, human life has absolutely no meaning. Humans are the outcome of blind evolutionary processes that operate without goal or purpose. Our actions are not part of some divine cosmic plan, and if planet earth were to blow up tomorrow morning, the universe would probably keep going about its business as usual. As far as we can tell at this point, human subjectivity would not be missed. Hence any meaning that people inscribe to their lives is just a delusion.” "Theist religions focus on the worship of gods. Humanist religions worship humanity, or more correctly, Homo sapiens. Humanism is a belief that Homo sapiens has a unique and sacred nature, which is fundamentally different from the nature of all other animals and of all other phenomena. Humanists believe that the unique nature of Homo sapiens is the most important thing in the world, and it determines the meaning of everything that happens in the universe. The supreme good is the good of Homo sapiens. The rest of the world and all other beings exist solely for the benefit of this species." Now, I have seen some humanist and free-thinker sites giving bitter battle to this enunciate, but the more one check it the more it rings, not just with real life but with the Imperial Truth, in fact, I dare say it fits to a T with the speech given by Sindermann: "As I said, I don't know whether Harari was ignorant or manipulative to the point of reversing these easily checked facts into their opposite. It is a fact, however, that it offered him some dramaturgical advantages to connect evolutionary humanism counterfactually with Hitler, and socialist humanism counterfactually with Stalin. Since without this twist, the story that Harari wanted to sell to his readers, the story of the approaching demise of humanism, would not have worked. Why? Because Harari, after discrediting evolutionary and socialist humanism, could disregard all the arguments that came from these traditions. Instead, what remained was "liberal humanism", which Harari (following his own logic, but actually grossly distorting) presented as an a) anti-egalitarian (directed against the "socialist-humanistic" ideal of equality) and b) naive-idealistic (against the "evolutionary-humanistic" principle of science) ideology." We can go on forever discussing the difference in ideologies and religions, but then it ultimately comes down to a battle of semantics, just as some evangelists declare themselves "they follow no religion but have a direct and deep relation with God through Christ" to the previous attempt to rebuke Harari, when all is said and done we only need to go to the dictionary to see why the Imperial Truth was a religion, of course it was, that's why the jump from Imperial Truth to Imperial Creed was so amusingly fast, the very act of having people believe at gunpoint something is deliciously ironical.

@DarkArtistKaiser

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much all of this yeah. The Imperial Truth was just a secular religion with its real honest Goal was to kill the Gods of Chaos and any other God. But the problem is noted in the lore that this is not quite how Chaos works and that the Emperor was, inadvertently, creating a Chaos God of Irreligion/Atheism. Its name of course, we not revealed due to the way it was "worshiped" so yeah.

Wow

*Yet allows the Mechanicum to worship the Machine God and build your ships, produce your weapons and Titans*

Seriously in the current Warhammer setting is the Imperial Truth still valid? The worship of entire TRILLIONS of humans has had an effect on the Emperor. Faith has practically become a power in Warhammer, channeled by the SOB, the Living Saints, and the Legion of the Damned. Proof that the Emperor is becoming something akin to a god. If Guilliman or some other guy, enforces the Imperial Truth, then Imperial Cult is abolished, the Eccleciarchy will lose power, confusion will reign over the Imperium. The religion that they believed in for 10000 years is gone. This might cause a civil war where the most fanatical will call the people responsible for this as heretics, dividing the Imperium making it open to attack. I say just let the Imperial Cult stay until all enemies of the Imperium are defeated or destroyed (based on the current setting thats probably not gonna happen anytime soon). At least with the Imperial Cult in place, it will give the people something to rally to, gives them hope. The Chaos Gods even fear that the Golden Throne is just keeping the Emperor's newfound power contained within his body. If the Emperor rises, one way or another, from the Golden Throne, He will do so not as a man, not as a god but as a power that existence has never seen before.

@KalashVodka175

3 жыл бұрын

The imperial creed requires amendments, and the institutions of the Imperium needs to be regulated and adapted to the current era. But abolishment is impossible. The Ecclesiarchy cannot be destroyed, but it can be reformed.

@Brother_O4TS

3 жыл бұрын

@@KalashVodka175 The Ordo Hereticus needs to be reformed as well. I mean they Exterminatus worlds on mere suspicion

@KalashVodka175

3 жыл бұрын

@@Brother_O4TS Thats more of a meme than reality as use of Exterminatus without good reason is rewarded with death by the hands of another inquisitor usually. But yes the Inquisition needs some reforming; tho it must still exist in one way or another as they did play a big part in the survival of the Imperium for so long after the horus heresy

@SpacepilotPirx

3 жыл бұрын

Ten thousand years is a ridiculously long time for humans. No way you can abolish a religion that for that long has kept the Imperium together. And like you said, all those countless prayers have obviously done something to the Emperor. Atheism is no longer an option for the Imperium and clearly atheism in the 40K universe is simply false because there are various god-like beings in the setting.

@MrMorvana

3 жыл бұрын

@@Brother_O4TS For what we know, an early Exterminatus can save entire sectors from warp invasions, so depending of the "suspicion" an Exterminatus is the good call if you can't clean it in other ways. In 40k you should in first place purge, and after think about overkill, because if you missed a single heretic, he will "over"kill you.

And then a book later he went to the Lecitio Divinatatus 😐

@OfficioAudiorum

3 жыл бұрын

He did. Because Euphrati Keeler proved that against the forces of Chaos, reason isn't enough. When reason was torn to shreds by demons of insanity, Faith In the Emperor simply worked. In a way, they realized how Chaos works and used the Warp's methods against them. In my humble opinion of course.

@anethosbeyond9300

3 жыл бұрын

@@OfficioAudiorum Yes it was actually a really good use of a revelation all jokes aside, I find it quite pleasing that like how the Emperor, and many others started to realize, that they had to tolerate and use the faith as a weapon. I can vaguely recall Sindermann talking about how to use it, and as though some coin it as manipulation (which it technically is), it's a brilliant use of pragmatic adaptability

This is very moving. I'm gonna start a 30k terran born imperial heralds legion for horus heresy 2.0. I love this atheists zelots. If only we had something similar in 40k.

I cannot fault you for having faith in me. But I can fault you for making A RELIGION OUT OF ME >:(

@OfficioAudiorum

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry E, You don't choose godhood, goodhood chose You! Now stop complaining and get back to protecting us from evil xenos and heretics! :D

Истина, что мы несём, истинна, потому что мы так сказали. Вот и всё. Я же так не думаю. «Моя истина лучше, чем твоя» - не более чем школьная перепалка, никак не основа культуры. «Я прав, а ты - нет» - силлогизм, не выдерживающий даже элементарных этических норм. Я прав, следовательно, ты - нет. Истина и ложь. Истина и ложь! Наше общество сформировали великие события. Из них, величайшее по факту - полное и официальное объединение Терры, и последующий за ним Великий Крестовый поход, в который мы вовлечены. Но величайшее ментально - это сброс тяжёлой завесы, называемой религией. Религия обрекла наш вид на много тысяч лет. От примитивных верований до высших форм духовной веры, - она ввергла нас в безумство, в войну, убийство. Она поразила нас, как чума, повисла, как кандалы. Я скажу вам, что такое религия - невежество. С самых ранних времён наш вид стремился познать природу космоса, а когда терпел неудачу, мы погружались в пучину проблем, затмеваемые слепой верой - религиозной верой. Верой в демонов, духов, верой в загробную жизнь и другие ловушки нематериального. Только, чтобы нам было комфортнее перед необъятным космосом. С молитвой и талисманами перед тьмой. Но сейчас, друзья, мы уже узрели космос. Мы прошли через него, изучили, узнали ткань самой реальности. Мы узрели звёзды из вне, выяснили, что нет никакого небесного часового механизма или золотой колесницы, двигающих их по небосводу. Мы поняли, что нет никакого бога или богов, никаких демонов и духов. Величайшим достижением человечества было пересобрать себя в новой, секулярной культуре. Но что на счёт веры? У веры есть равенство. Даже когда религия ушла, нам всё ещё нужно верить во что-то. Так ведь? Вот истинная цель человечества - нести сияющий свет в самые удалённые уголки, просвещённое, бескомпромиссное, высвобождающее знание самых тёмных тайн космоса. Раскрепостить увязших в невежестве, избавить себя от ложных богов, и занять своё место на вершине разумного бытия. Вот, вот во что мы должны верить, на что мы должны направить её. За последние месяцы мы сокрушили целую культуру. Без сомнений, мы пришли не для того, чтобы исправить или подчинить их. А сокрушить. Сломать хребет, испепелить. Я знаю это, потому что Воитель спустил своих астартес как раз за этим. Не стоит скромничать на их счёт - они убийцы, их для этого назначили. Души, что мы завоевали, поверили в Империум, власть Человека. И пусть мы убили их правителя и принудили к согласию, выжгли города, уничтожили их корабли. Зачем? Неужели, только чтобы доказать, что мы правы, а они нет? Да, так и есть. За нами правда, а за ними - нет. Это и есть простая, чистая вера, которую мы должны взять. Чтобы внушить им: правда только за нами, а не за ними. Но почему? Не потому, что мы так сказали, а потому что мы уверены в этом. Не потому, что мы гораздо лучше в сражении. Мы провозглашаем так, потому что знаем, - это истинная правда. Мы не должны и не обязаны продвигать эту идею как-то иначе. Без всякого сомнения, колебания или предубеждения, мы знаем - это истина, и только на ней зиждется наша вера. Они не правы. Их культура была основана на лжи. Мы же привели их к истинной, сияющей правде и просвещению. Вот наша истина! Берите её и только так несите наше слово!

@OfficioAudiorum

2 жыл бұрын

Спасибо! (Above is the Russian transcription of the speech)

@Smyth47466

2 жыл бұрын

@@OfficioAudiorum my English is not very well, but I did my best

Guys dont listen to this extremist!!! Religion is very cool and makes your head go funny if you believe enough! -sincerely, editor Erebus -this post was sponsored by the Dark Council