A huge thank you to our special guest Professor Zimife! For access to the nearly two hour long livestream join the Patreon here: www.patreon.com/posts/76422819?pr=true (the link automatically goes to Sauvignon Blanc tier)

@Willow22nd

Жыл бұрын

Is the stream only available for the Sauvignon Blanc tier?

@JustJohnda

Жыл бұрын

She is amazing!

@ZimZimma96

Жыл бұрын

It was such a pleasure chatting with you! Can't wait to check out the entire video on Patreon.

@kinglemuelpodcast

Жыл бұрын

I'm going to make a response video to this. I believe that you both have been manipulated and mislead.

@WinenChill

Жыл бұрын

@@ZimZimma96 I enjoyed our chat so much! Thank you again for joining me!

Chile, they were all but blaming her for being in the path of the bullets smh. In this trial, there have definitely been people seeking confirmation bias, in the pursuit of videos and stories both absolving Tory and condemning Megan. A disturbing amount simply wanted Meg to be the villain, and while Meg is not the "perfect victim" (that doesn't exist), she was and is a recovering victim and some people just refuse to accept that.

@WinenChill

Жыл бұрын

At this point I'm surprised people are not tired from the mental gymnastics they're hopping through just to defend this man they don't know nor like.

@tinatwine137

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly said...

@jsmilz86

Жыл бұрын

Im not supposed to laugh at the beginning of this comment, but it is true

@tjjohnson2818

Жыл бұрын

Have you all read the transcripts since being out. I did, and I feel they set him up because the trail didn't match the events.

🗣️DEFUND THE MANOSPHERE!!!!

@thetruthsayer8347

Жыл бұрын

Lol you can’t defund what you don’t even support.

Great analysis! My key takeaways are: - Many reputable black publications were silent until the verdict was rendered, and some remain silent. - Gender solidarity often trumps race solidarity; some black men would rather believe Tory simply because he is a man, though Megan is also black. - Many women may struggle with internalized misogyny, given their defense of Tory. - For some, no matter what evidence is presented, when their beliefs are challenged, they are more likely to cling tighter to their theories than accept a more logical one.

I’ve been saying this for days. They don’t need to prove Tory intentionally shot Meg. The charges are possession of a unregistered firearm, gross negligence with a deadly weapon, and shoot with intent to cause bodily harm. It doesn’t matter if the shots weren’t exactly directed at Megan the fact is she got hurt due to Tory’s recklessness. I don’t understand how people can’t understand the law and the charges brought against Tory. All they need to prove is it’s Tory’s gun and that he shot it

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

And so why weren’t charges brought against the woman who fired? Why aren’t y’all being honest and saying, ok Tory is found guilty, but the domestic violence narrative is false? The reality is that a handful of sellout Black women like this filthy yeast infected, wicked woman who made this video, want to push their anti Black man narrative. They are sellouts like Kevin Samuel’s and they don’t even know it. Hopefully they join him soon.

@ajohnson2283

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, the pple defending him clearly did not read the charges against him.

@tjjohnson2818

Жыл бұрын

She wasn't shot, it was glass laceration like the ER doctor said and her.

0:53 this right here!!!! people don’t talk about it but since megan blew up, people. on social media ( especially on twitter ) have been looking for an excuse or for a character flaw to demonize megan over. first it was she was too friendly, then it became “oh megan’s a social climber” to “oh megan’s an alcoholic” and that has all lead up to the BS we have rn. as sad as it is, ofc people went out of their way to assassinate her character because they’ve been doing that since tina snow. that’s why this whole “oh people don’t critique meg enough” mess just screams red flag to me because 1.) people have 2.) people were already putting the effort into demonizing her long before tory shot her. now let me enjoy the rest of the video 🙏🏿💕

@goddessglows

Жыл бұрын

This‼️

@BlkbunniOrg

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget how they kept trying to masculinize her by saying she looks like a man….they been hating her from the beginning

@felicityb93

Жыл бұрын

They also tried to make her out to be a one trick pony, as if she couldn't rap circles around many of her male peers. Anytime I saw someone say she always had the same flow, I immediately rolled my eyes and kept the hustle moving.

@VirgoGoddessXxo

Жыл бұрын

@@felicityb93 yea, ppl who say that… they haven’t listened to her catalog. She’s a real lyricist & a great live performer. Ppl are just biased because they don’t like women singing/rapping about having sex or playing men.

I think the thing that terrified me the most about Meg's experience, is that I haven't heard not one statement by a female rapper about it. Not Queen Latifah, Lil Kim, Lauryn Hill, Missy Elliott, etc etc. Not one female artist she collaborated with either had made a public statement acknowledging the mysogyny of it all. Terrible. I'm just disappointed.

@edtastic

Жыл бұрын

Megan isn’t a heroin or innocent victim. She got caught up in her own dirt and it went left. Who dragged that man out the party? She had a car. Who was sleeping with that man behind her best friends back and had the nerve to be the jealous one? Who got out the car and physically attacked that best friend? Who lied about everything? Megan.

@authenticityiskey3078

Жыл бұрын

@@edtastic And so she deserves to get shot? Let's hope and pray that you or the women in your family don't ever get into lover's quarrels then, but if they're dating black men then....... I guess the same outcome is awaiting them 🤷🏾‍♀️

@ajohnson2283

Жыл бұрын

@@edtastic Megan can be a horrible friend and all those other things you said but Tory was in no danger that he need to banish & shoot a g*n.

@edtastic

Жыл бұрын

@@ajohnson2283 Tory’s drunk ass shooting indiscriminately amid efforts to break up a fight isn’t equal to trying to shoot people. From what I’ve been hearing Megan has a bad reputation of being disrespectful with other artists. They might not like her. Stop assume she’s the hill to die on just like with Tory’s supporters. These aren’t heroes. They’re messy people who were doing dirt and ended up fighting each other over it.

@edtastic

Жыл бұрын

@@authenticityiskey3078 He wasn’t shooting at her. Let’s pray you don’t end up in a jury when someone is charged with attempted murder for shooting at the ground. It’s not about deserving to get shot. Did Tory deserve to stay at the party and not be dragged out by a jealous lover? It’s not about that either.

As a college drop out the one class I am grateful I took was my communications class it has really helped me understand the media landscape we live in

@WinenChill

Жыл бұрын

It's very much needed for the masses.

@mewmew6158

Жыл бұрын

I'm so happy high schools are teaching about the misinformation online in some places, it needs to be mandatory.

@annward7794

Жыл бұрын

@@mewmew6158 nice, I didn’t kno that was happening, I don’t have children. That’s great

@marcusvision

Жыл бұрын

@@annward7794 it's VERY big, what's even scarier is Ai development can make a video or photo look like something that didn't happen.

People forgetting the state of California Press charges and prosecuted him

@felicityb93

Жыл бұрын

SAY IT AGAIN, BESTIE!! People act as if Meg was the person to charge him, cuff him, and convict him. Don't make no type of sense!!

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

The state that leads the nation in prosecuting innocent people. Imagine being a shill for the government. You fake Black people deserve to be excommunicated.

It's funny how the ones that spoke "I don't have a dog in this fight" haven't spoken on the 1501 win Meg had on Wednesday.

@annward7794

Жыл бұрын

First I’m hearing about it!

The radio silence of "reputable" black publications, bloggers and radio was the same during the R. Kelly trial in New York as well. Even the biased sites did not cover it.

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

Just say you hate Black people. Everyone doesn’t care about the things you think they should care about. Let me know when the whites people you love so much do something for you.

Thanks for bringing this discussion to YT👍🏽 I am of the opinion, there are a noticeable number of BM who are not okay with BW loving and valuing themselves in a manner that is not dependent on the approval of the BM.

Great interview! It’s unfortunate how people get their information and is surprised when reality blows up in their faces. For some reason, Tory Lanez was the hill to die on. The one who have a history in violence. I’m happy Megan got justice. I love your channel and keep up the excellent work.

@gaylanwright2317

Жыл бұрын

I was a bit worried that people might have forgotten the point of the trail. I’m relieved that there was justice.

@jackieburns5257

Жыл бұрын

Show the deep level of sexism, misogyny in the community

@jackieburns5257

Жыл бұрын

@Tyana like plantation mentality.

Rolling Stone was the only outlet I trusted at the end. They had an actual reporter covering it and doing it fairly

@edtastic

Жыл бұрын

Rolling Stone has a notorious history of journalistic ethics failure, namely their UVA campus rape story. Ideology driving reporting should throw credibility into question when that ideology is rooted in blind faith.

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

Rolling stone literally has been caught making up stories. You just confirmed that you people want to be white so bad. Will be hilarious when the truth comes out. Actually it’s already out but you ignore it to promote your anti Black agenda.

@hottstepher

Жыл бұрын

Wow. None of the “Black journalists/ publications 13:38 covered it, but Rolling Stone found the time. The BC is _truly_ 💀

How Zimife said how the hip-hop industry is heavily misogynistic, it worries me because a lot of boys and men from other countries including my little brother which is Mexican and lives in Mexico listens to hip hop a lot and even says the n word in songs even thou when I tell him not to and he says he has black friends which are specifically black men that say to him is fine to say the n word. I'm not saying all of hip hop is bad but I do think there needs to be an accountability and awareness on how certain aspects of hip hop influence young boys and men into replicating misogynistic world views, talking points and attitudes that end up affecting negatively everyone who is not a cis het men

@kekedream

Жыл бұрын

Too many Black people are sellouts and don't know how to put up boundaries because they want to be accepted. No one who is not Black should be using that word in my opinion.

@edtastic

Жыл бұрын

We should be worried about hip hop encouraging Black men and boys to kill each other. This need to center on women no matter what’s going on with men is insidious and selfish. We have breathtaking homicide rates in the Black community and 80% dying are men and boys. We need to ask do we have a culture where Black males hate themselves.

You know what I've always found hilariously sad? Bro code is men backing up other men no matter what, yet girl code is relugated to simply not sexually/romantically engaging with another woman's man. There's nothing about backing each other up or defending one another from an outside group or anything. Like, we women as a collective really don't care about each other at all. We only care that we don't impede on one another's proximity to men, pursuit of men or the male gaze. That's the only way that a woman can know that another woman was shot but be more concerned with who that woman gave vaginal access to. I saw so many comments from women whose main gripe about this entire thing was that Megan slept with someone Kelsey had also slept with and might have liked. As if access to men is so sacred that it should supercede our own fidelity to the group we belong to: black women. Men, regardless of race, do not do this for women, but black women can't wait to toss another black woman aside for just a piece of a low quality man. So when I hear other black women say "We're on our own", I really need for us to understand that for a large portion of us, this means we're on our own individually, not together as a group. There are too many treacherous black women walking around with brains as smooth, shiny and untextured as these misogynistic men. Embarrassing.

@icycici6191

Жыл бұрын

You are preaching!! 👍🏽🎯

@babygirla5717

Жыл бұрын

Girl this needs to be pinned everywhere because some of these black women are something else.

@patriciazandilencube4597

Жыл бұрын

Back where l'm from, if anything happens to you as a black woman the first question is what did you do. For example what were you wearing when you got abused. And this question is asked as much by women as it is by men. Women then go the extra mile and say this hasn't happened to them because they are God fearing people who wear decent clothes and don't tempt the devil. In no way are men held accountable. No way. And this megan situation feels the same to me. It's like because this woman sang WAP, is openly sexual, then she deserves whatever abuse she gets especially since she might have slept with this Tory. People were dying to see her comeuppance it feels like. It's bullshit.

@jackieburns5257

Жыл бұрын

People follow power or perceived power Women demonize Meg because the want to please black men who they see as more powerful than black women. Smh

@bklynbutters13

Жыл бұрын

@@jackieburns5257 That's exactly it, except for the fact that socially and politically BM aren't more powerful than us. We need to stop holding ourselves back just to stay in pace with them, especially when they're not handing out any rewards to us for doing so.

This is nasty business, now I have to scrounge up some pennies and sub the Patreon because I've got to hear this entire conversation! 😂

@JustJohnda

Жыл бұрын

Same!

It's really interesting that you noted the absence of coverage from reputable black outlets. I THINK THIS CHANNEL CAN FILL THE VOID. Watching your channel grow, I feel like you consistently deliver the sharpest takes on pop cultural news, giving context and clarity to whatever topics are being discussed. I'm not aware of any other platform (on KZread or beyond) that offers this quality of commentary along with the education, expertise, and credentials to back it up. In my (random KZread comment section) opinion, as this channels grows, I'd love to see even more coverage of black news and topics from you and your colleagues' perspective because your right, theshaderoom is not the news no matter how big of an outlet they are. (I don't expect this channel to turn into The Young Turks, but I think your voice and platform are powerful and important and extremely timely and I definitely am looking forward to more content like this) I guess I need to go ahead and sub to the patreon now...

@WinenChill

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm trying & admittedly dealing with rampant misinformation is a large task but something we'll tackle in the new year!

@lemonlemon7186

Жыл бұрын

Agree with everything! There is definitely a need for this type of content.

@tinatwine137

Жыл бұрын

Agree with this post. Perfectly said. Great coverage and need for more truthful content not fluff.

@diamonddoll1008

Жыл бұрын

I agree with everything you said. We definitely don’t need another Young Turks. They engage in anti-Blackness, but package it as political commentary.

This is sooo refreshing like I literally read the transcripts 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨 and I do not understand why ppl don't want this criminal in jail. It's weird and scary

I was surprised by the verdict bc ppl have been proving just how stupid they are, so I was afraid they would let him off.

Great conversation, ladies! She hit the nail on the head when speaking about the "boys club".

The way the black blogs covered this was disgusting. This case really opened my eyes on how people need to actually read from actual journalists and sources, not bloggers. And black publications like Essence remaining quiet angered me alot. They should've been covering the case but nope, they remained silent the entire time.

I died @ “Hope his soul is not resting.”😮‍💨🤣

@WinenChill

Жыл бұрын

He's right with Lizzie, two awful people.

@Jerel_con_jota

Жыл бұрын

@@WinenChill Man…I was so indifferent to these two passings🤷🏾‍♂️

@thegift369

Жыл бұрын

@@WinenChill Your comparing a Man who gave relationship advice on KZread to a people whose families caused massive lost of life??? It's clear women like you were the types he was talking about 😂😂😂To be that offended over a man's opinion is a clear sign you have inner work to do. I know plenty of Blk Women who weren't offended by that man at all, but your over here calling him an "awful person" because he told women like you to stop disrespecting the average working man and date on in your range lol.

@cocalita03

Жыл бұрын

​@@thegift369 Dude, get over it please.

Great commentary. Many in KZread land are seriously suffering from the CSI Effect. Some of the arguments against the evidence are absolutely ridiculous.

@novacaine_

Жыл бұрын

Especially from black men very scary stuff because some of them have very large audiences. So many strong views from people with not a lick of a legal degree

I hate that folks have targeted her just because she is a Black Woman...that's all. I had to drop contact with a ton of folks.

@edtastic

Жыл бұрын

It’s not because she was a Black women. Integrity matters and lies do harm to it. She lied a lot.

@fangal12

Жыл бұрын

@@edtastic Tory lied as well plus he actually shot someone, funny how his integrity isn't a problem 🤔

@sdk0524

Жыл бұрын

@@edtastic other than lying about who she slept with what did she lie about?

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

@@sdk0524she lied about the entire thing. She was in a violent drunken fight with another woman and pulled a gun. This has nothing to do with domestic violence. She stated that lie to gain support and clout. She’s disgusting and so is anyone who supports her. When she gets exposed further, guess what? Nobody will believe actual victims.

@sdk0524

Жыл бұрын

@@davruck1 check out the call Tory made from jail.

The Shade Room always positions its "reporting" with the prompt "thoughts"? Which makes it seem as though opinions hold the same weight as actual facts, when they don't..

Y’all broke it down amazingly, now people see how social media killing our community 😞

I believe she is referring to research related to a type of confirmation bias. A part of social psychology that speaks about influence, persuasion, and decision making.

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

You’re a walking example of confirmation bias. People are upset because y’all are painting a false DV narrative and the facts don’t support this. Just because he fired the gun don’t make it a domestic issue. A woman also fired and you ignore that because it don’t fit the narrative. So you just call anyone misogynistic to deflect. You’re literally worse than a wire supremacist because you know the truth and you’re not ignorant. You’re a wicked person.

Belief perseverance I think is the term and backfire effect. I've seen articles on how to convince someone even when "Facts" fail....

@opulence_prime

Жыл бұрын

Please share

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

Y’all are literally the ones ignoring facts to fit your narrative. Then you cry when white people do the same thing. You deserve to remain slaves

It's sad that misinformation travels so fast. The evidence speaks for itself.

Great follow up. I came across a 6 min+ video on the PBS newshour which was really good(2days ago). It’s disappointing re Ebony/ Essence’s dropping the ball😔

It is amazing that the black channels and other media weren't covering this case and others out there.

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

Because they realize the divisive agenda and false narrative. There was no evidence of a domestic dispute. The fact that y’all are ignoring that point shows how dishonest y’all are. Multiple people fired the gun, yet you want to spin an anti Black narrative. Dishonest people like you are lower than dirt.

I have deleted most blogs and news pages from my SM. It was the comments. You don’t have to scroll far.

TSR does a good job of being objective?!?! Since when?! They are clearly misogynistic and colorist.

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

They agree with the anti Black narrative TSR pushes so that’s why she says it’s objective. Everyone knows TSR is anti Black. The people who enjoy it are wannabe bougie types who love talking down on “low-class” Black people.

Not you posting a greatest hits reel for the plebeians 🤣🤣🤣

@WinenChill

Жыл бұрын

😂😂 And shoutout again to Patreon 💛 bc without y’all I wouldn’t be able to afford to bring on such great guests!

I could find 100 YT lawyers covering the JD v AH case, with daily live court play by play. But I had to turn into a private investigator to find a video doing a brief recap of this case. I was so thankful when you posted your video because I refused to read anything no jumper had to post.

Thank you for putting this out! Everybody showed they ahh.

I almost feel like Torys lawyers used bots, etc because the hate had me in tears, how they treated Meg.

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

Lmao Megan literally got to go on National television and push her narrative, a narrative the facts don’t support. It’s the same way the media pushes the violent Black teen narrative used to falsely convict thousands and maybe millions of Black men. Y’all are part of the problem.

You are doing the Lord’s work! Thank you for your coverage and this interview!

@VirgoGoddessXxo

Жыл бұрын

She truly is!

@11:42 I was so upset and disappointed in Lebron too and the are black women celebrities who are not speaking on this issue either. They should be LOUD about this. We need to protect each other.

Please bring her on again !!! I loved the discussion ❤❤❤

Digital misinformation. Great quote.

You foul putting part 2 on patreon😂

@lolitafalana

Жыл бұрын

Good discussion, wasn't it? I had it on in the background and when it ended I was like, "That's it?!" Stephanie, you tease you.

@lochofmceo

Жыл бұрын

@@lolitafalana hopefully later it'll be here or I gotta crack my debit card out

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

She’s a piece of 💩. She only cares about money. A very wicked person using actual women’s issues to push a false narrative and make money. She don’t really care about y’all. She sucks Megan’s clit despises regular Black women who aren’t famous. She don’t care about y’all.

Is it the Dunning-Kruger Effect that Professor Zimife is speaking of in the beginning about why trying to disprove misinformation to some people doesn’t work?

These conversations in the manosphere and the hate toward BW has been on KZread since I know, 2008. It just wasn’t popular then. It was more underground and niche. But those of us who viewed black KZread back then know. And the shade room is very anti BW.

I think the term Zimife was looking for is cognitive dissonance. It means people still double down on a idea even when faced with evidence that what they think is not true. It's because we experience disequillibrium when faced with the new info that completely contrast what we think. So instead of standing in the feeling and managing it they do the complete opposite.

Newly discovered your channel and never subscribed to a patreon so quick….I loved this discussion

@WinenChill

Жыл бұрын

Thank you & welcome to the patreon!

glad we got this, thanks!

Man! This was getting me going and then it hit me with a pay wall lol ❤ I support your work

What I want is for BW to realize that there is a lot happening behind closed doors because they’re all saying the same things. The so-called high value when I meet some of them is like they’re reading from the same book ladies be very careful. Listen don’t get caught up so much on good looks and great careers, slow down and pay attention. Listen to what they’re saying be wise.

Been waiting for this.

What breaks my heart about this case is that before this I thought finally hip hop is getting the equality it so desperately needs. I hope Megan gets the space and grace to heal with or without the public’s input. I hope that we as tribes (black, women, hip hop and the intersections) have proper introspection in how we move forward. Because right now these figures’ words are hot air; when the call for us to be better remains unanswered, or worse, rejected.

I really enjoyed this video

I've never heard of the manosphere. Sounds like a gas station bathroom that needs to be cleaned.

"perfect storm" is exactly it. this situation feels aligned with what i been feeling--- that it's time for very focused, internal/communal work

Worthy of note that a fair share of those bloggers get payed with money and/or access to work as shill, for whomever is trying to sway public opinions.

A great discussion.

Been waiting on this

This case truly triggered me in ways I didn't expect. I need people to understand that it doesn't matter the age, status, or innocence of the victim. The same way people reacted to and treated Megan being shot is the EXACT SAME reaction/treatment I received when I told that I was molested at 9 by my family friend's father, who had also been molesting his own daughter. My life was threatened (again, I was 9) and I was bullied and mistreated long after his abuse, mostly by the women in his family. Because my uncle had married into this family, I was forced to be around them even though I wanted nothing to do with them (another story for another day). On no level was I protected and I was constantly put in the position to consider the consequences of the adult's actions before my own safety. This mess runs so deep and it has made me very distrusting of people to this day. I cried when the verdict came out. Meg deserves love, support, and protection and I'm rooting for her to win.

The Me Too movement ignoring a black woman who was the victim of extreme violence is the least surprising part of 2022.

@rosejames5172

Жыл бұрын

black women were also sxualy abused.

Subscribed

Agree 10000000% if possible.

According to an OkayPlayer article, Essence Magazine is under the parent company of Essence Communications, LLC, and this LLC is owned by Essence Ventures, LLC which was founded by Richelieu Dennis, the former CEO of the magazine. The article says that Essence Magazine is back to being 100%-black owned. So, again, this information could lead back to the points of: "where was Black media in all this?"

I've noticed in the past year that whoever runs Essence media is disturbing.

¡Gracias!

@WinenChill

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jerel!

@Jerel_con_jota

Жыл бұрын

@@WinenChill Thank you for this content!

Would there ever be a case for restorative justice to be upheld in a case like this? Or is that not allowed at the federal level?

@WinenChill

Жыл бұрын

That would require the defendant to actually admit they committed harm in the first place, which he seems more than unwilling to do. But overall our criminal justice system rarely allows for restorative justice since it’s a punitive system.

@brooklyndecember

Жыл бұрын

This was not a federal case. Plus what Stephanie said.

@AlphabetSoup123

Жыл бұрын

@@WinenChill Would you ever consider doing a video on restorative justice and how it differs from punitive types of justice, such as retributive, etc.? I understand it doesn't apply in this case, but I've always wondered what are the alternatives to punitive system if the prison abolitionist movement is successful.

I wonder how this all with affect her career - writing this reflecting on the wonderful guest's comments about the fear of being excluded in the boys club and the mysogynoire within the hip-hop/rap community. Who will she collaborate with, knowing they most likely or certainly didn't want Tory Lanes to be found guilty? I know she's partially doing it for profit... but I wonder how she reconcile this. Imagine being in an industry where .... almost everyone thought you were lying about being shot at... hm.

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

Her career is over because she’s a liar. The only Black people supporting her live in the suburbs. Nobody real is messing with her after this.

I appreciate the vocabulary word. 😄

One podcaster Vlad, said Meg was taller and 100 heavier than Lanez and doubted her story. Others said he was just shooting in the air and it he didn't mean to do it. He apparently aimed and shot her foot..amh.

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

These people hate being Black and are complicit in pushing a divisive narrative. They want to use a fight between a few drunks to smear the entire community. Thankfully most people don’t listen to dishonest people like this wicked woman. I just come on here to troll. She will never discuss the facts of the case because they don’t fit her narrative. She’s like a lot of professionals who abuse their position of trust to dishonestly promote false narratives.

not this trial laying so many important things bare! like, not Essence just being a social media account when it counts type shii... lol liiiike...

This is how I learned Kevin Samuels died, half a year late.

@dajiyahmcae1880

Жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh lmao

I feel like there must be accountability to the blogs who push this narrative of lies.

It is very, very, very sad that so e women will side with these types of guys. They think they are the "ride or die" chick. Just fools and🤡🤡

@keithkam615

Жыл бұрын

Right! The term for those types are women are called "pick-me" women...

In the beginning, I think y’all are talking about information-deficit model

There is a new audio of Lanez calling Kelsey at the hospital, asking where Meg was and apologizing ? Very suspicious

That one lawyer was biased as hell and I didn't realize he was close to Tory's camp until midway through the trial. A lot of stuff he was reporting on was conflicting what was actually being testified. I listened to people that were actually reporting facts.

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Try Roland S. Martin for better black news. I love hip hop, but it has confirmation biases, too, and is often not the best at treating women right. People who need a pack rarely speak their own thoughts . 🤔

Essence outta be ashamed of themselves!

Yeah he did it! We need a Rap Battle!

You thought they would be SILENT?! Did you somehow miss the Bill Cosby and R. Kelly eras?

Commitment BIas is what its called I think

@jackieburns5257

Жыл бұрын

Cognitive dissonance

I just popped over to the Essence Twitter to see what their coverage of the verdict is, and they literally put up 4 posts in support of Megan in the wake of the verdict. I'm not sure why Zimife is making it sound like Essence is pro Tory or anti Meg. This makes me doubt her credibility.

Where are the court transcripts then to show that witness saying he shot in the air?

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

They don’t want to discuss facts

@CheyenneArbuckleRealEstate

Жыл бұрын

@David Rucker it's crazy to me how people are saying completely different things. I think we need the full court transcripts to read the details for ourselves, instead of depending on other people's perceptions.

@11:48 this right here…weak

The main talk in the manosphere wasn't that Meg wasn't shot. It was that it was Meg's friend shot her instead of Torey.

I feel like the media didn't cover it bc of the amber heard trial. We can't act like the tactics weren't the same 🤷‍♀️

@t00nifr

Жыл бұрын

@@jumpdumppyy I'm more so talking about how social media ran with it. There are hella video shorts and tiktoks that are made to slander Megan in a similar fashion to Amber. I would wager money that the vast majority of of videos about Tory's case are paid for by PR teams like in JD and AH case. The misogynistic way that ppl are attacking Megan is the same.

I thought you were going to talk about the details of the case. Is there a video on that? besides just your opinions? Because the case seemed to be really weird as to what really happened that night.

@dajiyahmcae1880

Жыл бұрын

The patreon link with the full video is in the description, I believe.

@TiffanyRayneOfficial

Жыл бұрын

The case wasn't weird as to what happened that night. The internet, content creaters, and social media made it seem that way. Tory himself also perpetuated that narritive from the beginning. But I can see why people are confused. The same reasons these ladies are discussing in thus video is why people who weren't paying proper attention, are confused about the case and what went on in the court room.

@opulence_prime

Жыл бұрын

If you go to her lives you can see the breakdown there. I think it’s the 3rd video down.

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

She’s a list of you haven’t noticed. One of the most disgusting people. She’s making money by using real issues surrounding women to push a false narrative. She don’t care that the facts don’t support DV and that Megan is very violent. She doesn’t actually even like Black people. She always talks negatively about regular Black folks. I’ve dealt with women like her. They are 1000x more evil than the worst “hood rat.” Think how evil you have to be to celebrate this verdict.

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

@@TiffanyRayneOfficiallmao Megan literally went on National television to push a false narrative. The white members of the jury don’t watch Tory social media. Y’all are applauding a racist justice system which confirms what I always knew. Y’all hate being Black.

This is a great conversation and glad you are having it. But now I don’t understand even more your commentary on Megan Merkle. Not cool at all

i know numerous black men that were out spoken about their feelings on Tory, i don't think its fair to generalize all black men as 'misogynoir' i'll just see myself out though

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Love love love. Only thing, I wish we could stop getting stuck on the fact that black women taught to hate themselves, hate other black women. We know. It's not white people who make us cringe when they say anti black things. It's us. It's always going to be your own. Why? We Know. Like....let's really talk about why that is because of course the same things making these men hate us us also making black women hate us and themselves. We really don't have time to be like...always ending the convo on, "It be your own." Ya know. We can't save em all but we can explain to the ones we can save WHY they may feel how they do. And yes, misinformation, the people in power thrive on that.

@WinenChill

Жыл бұрын

Yes to this! We spent about 1/3 of the full live talking about how we as Black women participate in misogynoir, with the conversation focusing on another blogger as the example. Some Black women participate in it largely due to the desire to survive in such an anti-Black place, which doesn't make their actions any less hurtful.

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

Y’all are literally taking a drunken fight between three people and turning it into a community issue. People like this woman are the worst of the worst and the Black community don’t want anything to do with sellouts like her.

@FranciaMichelle

Жыл бұрын

@@davruck1 ???Try again.

Confirmation bias.

What about her best friend who Meg slept with her men behind her back and called her best friend mother F... So protecting black women is just for famous black women right?

@Bookntechlover

Жыл бұрын

And who was that because it wasn’t Kelsey

@thejonathanlymonbrand

Жыл бұрын

We all about protecting all black women

@bdott1538

Жыл бұрын

Kelsey wasn’t shot….

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

People like her see themselves as above “low-class” Black women because she has a degree. She’s a wicked woman and wouldn’t do anything to help a regular Black woman.

@rosejames5172

Жыл бұрын

why was megs friend sleeping with a gangster? y'all still expect to get into relationship with gangsters and them not cheating on you?

Megan calls herself the B-word. I have no respect or regard for any woman who proudly identifies themselves with the B-word.

@bdott1538

Жыл бұрын

You think the same for those who call themselves N*ggas?

@Saysonow

Жыл бұрын

@@bdott1538 I loathe, with every fibre of my being, every Black person who goes around declaring they are the property of white men, which is basically what the N-word means. The Hip-Hop culture has fooled many Black people into embracing their false sense of inferiority. I am aware that many Black people who call themselves the N-word are blind to the reality of the curse they have taken upon themselves, so my hatred of them for using it is to keep me from being contaminated.

@bdott1538

Жыл бұрын

@@Saysonow ah….well at least you know you’re antiBlack. Good for you.

@Saysonow

Жыл бұрын

@@bdott1538 This is such a sad comment: a Black person thinks calling oneself the N-word makes them pro-Black. The only people who benefit from Black people calling each other the N-word are racist white people who spent centuries teaching Black people to see themselves as the N-word. So, each time you hear a Black person referring to themself or other Black people by the N-word, let these words come to your mind, "mission accomplished."

@bdott1538

Жыл бұрын

@@Saysonow I think not respecting Black people based on what they call themselves is antiBlack.

I listen across all sides of the spectrum, I can spit the boned out of some black manosphere stuff. I can do the same for some BW content.

Megan is a liar ! She been telling lies for two years about what happened that night 🥴 Megan was sleeping with Tory & going on vacations with him behind her best friend back 😂 got on the stand & couldn’t remember nothing 😂😂 Kelsey got immunity pleaded the fifth she also couldn’t remember anything 😂 She herself said her back was turned on her IG post & said she heard dance B something no one else heard but her smh 🤦‍♀️ Tory doesn’t deserve to be locked up for this mess she made because she was drunk

@bdott1538

Жыл бұрын

So you understand and understood nothing. Got it.

@Yellowstone2015

Жыл бұрын

@@bdott1538 I understood Megan is a liar & will go behind her friend back having sex with her man

@davruck1

Жыл бұрын

Good to see some people still stand for truth.

@bdott1538

Жыл бұрын

@@Yellowstone2015 of course that’s not what the trial was about. So if you’re basic like that, I get that that’s all you understood.

@keithkam615

Жыл бұрын

Your comment just further validates the hypocrisy and the cognitive dissonance that was displayed during this trial. The charges and verdict were accurate and matches the crime that took place that night

Did she get shot? Yes. But can we agree tht it’s hard to really say there’s proof Tory did when the other girl shot first. The witness said it and they all forgot about this part. Hmmm

Wishing a dead man, who hasn’t done a single thing to you, to not rest in peace is a new level of low. There’s nothing wrong with disagreeing with Kevin but show some respect to the dead.

We had generations of unchecked misandry and the manosphere is a response. The last thing we need is research on it from the ‘feminist perspective’ which is like analyzing Black liberation from the Klan perspective. Feminism has emerged as a oppressive cultural force in its own right. Black feminist war on Black men in particular is the most revealing in terms of epistemic injustice.

@felicityb93

Жыл бұрын

"Unchecked misandry" Nigga, if you don't go somewhere with this foolishness 🤣🤣🤣 You wouldn't give a single fuck about the ~unchecked misandry~ you're whining about if you couldn't weaponize it against women. Women, as a class, are not perfect, but they've done more for men by pushing back against patriarchy than the Manosphere could ever hope to do. All you losers do is bitch about how women refuse to be doormats and act as if some great evil has been committed to you. Fuxking pathetic, if you ask me.

@thejonathanlymonbrand

Жыл бұрын

SMH

@kitejohnson515

Жыл бұрын

So you have been shut because of black feminist

@edtastic

Жыл бұрын

@@kitejohnson515 As we speak we see Black feminist going to war with Black male studies. Before that we saw the hijacking of the Black liberation movement by feminist. Some how the central concern went from Black people to Queer and women in concert with White liberals sharing those identities. The framing of straight Black men as a oppressive force instead of oppressed group despite the mountains of statistical evidence of nothing short of a crisis placing them behind not just Whites but Black women as well. Black feminism in America has been insidious and subversive in undermining efforts of Black people. It exists like a third column to attack the community from within utilizing a false presumption of oppressive Black male power that must be crushed incompatible with the reality of Black America confronting men already being systematically crushed by the society for centuries.

@edtastic

Жыл бұрын

@@thejonathanlymonbrand No you’re waiting for affirmation. Imagine living in a fantasy world where you believe American Black men aren’t held accountable or aren’t in fact the most incarcerated people on the entire planet.