Meet Uptime Kuma, a Fancy Open Source Uptime Monitor for all your HomeLab Monitoring Needs

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You've spun up lots of self-hosted services in your HomeLab but you haven't set up monitoring and alerting yet. We'll be glad you waited because today well set up Uptime Kuma to do just that. Uptime Kuma is a self-hosted, open source, fancy uptime monitoring and alerting system. It can monitor HTTP, HTTP with keyword, TCP, Ping, and even DNS systems!
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00:00 - Intro
00:36 - What is Uptime Kuma
01:59 - What are we going to configure today?
02:23 - What are the requirements?
03:09 - Setting up Uptime Kuma
03:43 - Docker Config Explained
06:02 - Starting the Container
06:36 - First Look at Uptime Kuma
06:47 - Settings
07:22 - Setting up 2 Factor Auth (2FA)
07:43 - Backups and Restores
08:22 - Setting up HTTP(s) Monitors
11:18 - HTTP Status Code Explanation
11:30 - Continuing to configure HTTP(s) Monitors
12:52 - Setting Up TCP Monitoring
13:40 - Setting Up Ping Monitoring
13:58 - Setting Up HTTP(s) Keyword Monitoring (scraping)
15:46 - Setting Up DNS Monitoring
16:54 - Configuring the Status Page
18:23 - Configuring Alerting
19:32 - What is a Webhook?
19:52 - Continuing to Configure Alerting
21:21 - Testing Our Webhook and Alerts
22:56 - Testing Recovery Alerts
23:28 - Status Page
24:21 - What do you think of Uptime Kuma
24:35 - Stream Highlight - Media Servers are the Gateways to HomeLabs and Data Hoarding
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  • @TechnoTim
    @TechnoTim2 жыл бұрын

    What are you using to monitor your services?

  • @andrewhandlen430

    @andrewhandlen430

    2 жыл бұрын

    Been using Kuma for a little while and loving it! Active development + “public” facing status dashboard makes this the easiest selfhosted/homelab solution IMO. As always thanks for the content Tim!

  • @mveldt

    @mveldt

    2 жыл бұрын

    Using PRTG. It's free for the first 100 sensors. But it needs to run on Windows.

  • @timtrense4376

    @timtrense4376

    2 жыл бұрын

    Prometheus. Just lovely to have the ability to use one system to monitor literally anything due to their separation of export + scrape

  • @pbriars

    @pbriars

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tried Zabix before but couldnt get on with it. I swear it was the cause of a couple of HDD predictive failures. Will certainly be giving Kuma a go now, Great video. Thank you.

  • @vladbabii9025

    @vladbabii9025

    2 жыл бұрын

    But who monitors the monitor? I'm going to add a PI 4 with a second kuma on it to monitor the first kuma and maybe some services, in case something happens to kuma host. or is that overkill ?

  • @LouisLamLam
    @LouisLamLam2 жыл бұрын

    Uptime Kuma maintainer here! Thank you so much for introducing Uptime Kuma! A great video!

  • @yuriw777

    @yuriw777

    2 жыл бұрын

    can it be installed with Rancher?

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey!!! Thank you so much for a great FANCY tool. It’s everything I could have asked for!

  • @Arclyte306

    @Arclyte306

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks to you Louis and Thanks Tim!

  • @Weirlive

    @Weirlive

    2 жыл бұрын

    are you LouisLam ?!?!? lol

  • @marianosilva2030

    @marianosilva2030

    2 жыл бұрын

    @louis, great tool! Thanks for maintaining it!! Do you recommend to use the image :1, or :latest?

  • @CraftComputing
    @CraftComputing2 жыл бұрын

    HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS???? Great video Tim!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Jeff! Maybe you can run it on your fancy new TureNAS scale box in a container, if not, it's just a simple nodejs install!

  • @AnonymousB460

    @AnonymousB460

    7 ай бұрын

    This was me just now.

  • @OfficialUmey
    @OfficialUmeyАй бұрын

    Loved how you signed "thanks" at the end! As a deaf viewer relying on live captions, it made my day!

  • @anlongdus
    @anlongdus2 жыл бұрын

    "Upside down" could be used to make sure that some historical protocols like FTP or IMAP without encryption are *not* offered for security reasons.

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    I like it!

  • @globaldisaster1988

    @globaldisaster1988

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TechnoTim Flow's comment should be pinned at top :)

  • @whahala555

    @whahala555

    2 жыл бұрын

    It could also be used for home security if you have smart locks, you might want to check a home security status portal of the keyword unlocked and use Upside Down to tell you you have a door unlocked.

  • @MichaelSmith-fg8xh

    @MichaelSmith-fg8xh

    Жыл бұрын

    I just had to do an upside-down for PING... it's not intended to be available for the server I'm monitoring

  • @huplim
    @huplim2 жыл бұрын

    ❤️ your videos. Straight to the point without any fluff.

  • @rjcarneiro
    @rjcarneiro2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Tim, I cannot thank you enough for showing Uptime Kuma. This is exactly what I was searching to monitor all my web projects! Many thanks! You're the best!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for stopping by and commenting!

  • @larssgnen3148
    @larssgnen31482 жыл бұрын

    Been using kuma for 3 months now. It's been rock solid.

  • @Phil_Barker
    @Phil_Barker2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely love this. Have a few troublesome services in docker that I don't notice die, now I do! and Uptime Kuma is a stunning little dashboard. Thanks for this!

  • @krzychaczu
    @krzychaczu2 жыл бұрын

    Your tutorials are gold! 👍🥇 I love the fact that you consider security matera in your tutorials. There are so many "for a sake of this tutorial we are going to skip security matters" out there, mass producing security ignorant enthusiasts. So double kudos for that! 💪

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Glad you like them!! More to come!

  • @TEKENGLOBAL
    @TEKENGLOBAL2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Tim, Just wanted to take a few moments to thank you for another great *How To* and the steps to accomplish the same. Uptime Kuma is not only fancy but sexy as hell and this adds to the other network monitors I have in place now. Such as NEMS, Observium, UNMS, Cloud Key etc. Happy New Years & Rock On . . .

  • @cvought1
    @cvought12 жыл бұрын

    Just……Wow! Gonna spin this up for internal & external services. Tim you’ve outdone yourself with this review. Sold!

  • @dmaaxmusic
    @dmaaxmusic2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much Tim! I was searching for a monitoring tool like this for days and could not find a good one.

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Anytime!

  • @yuriw777
    @yuriw7772 жыл бұрын

    I've been using it for 3 days and love it! Would like to see more features, like the ability to ping from out-of-network servers, maybe integration to allow ping from different countries, a monitor by MAC address, etc.

  • @nccyr1
    @nccyr12 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the video, this is a must have like Pi-hole and other great open source services. And yes, I followed your instructions and I have it running!

  • @jeroenklaver5284
    @jeroenklaver52842 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Just installed Uptime Kuma. I run it now next to our Observium system.

  • @dlgover
    @dlgover2 жыл бұрын

    Great Video, I too had been running nagios and it's very functional but more then I need at home. This is an awesome light weight monitor with lots of function that's just idea for monitoring a few things at home. Thanks for creating this tutorial.

  • @samuelgodfreyhendrix
    @samuelgodfreyhendrix2 жыл бұрын

    I was thinking about using Statping, but I actually like the look of this a bit better. Awesome video!

  • @raymondvanderwerf
    @raymondvanderwerf2 жыл бұрын

    I wasn't using anything yes, but now I'm usin' this! GREAT video Tim!

  • @kooldad1
    @kooldad12 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Tim - Finally got around to setting this up. I have it running in the cloud to monitor some cloud and network devices.

  • @johnyferreira8733
    @johnyferreira87332 жыл бұрын

    This is great. Thanks for the tutorial. I learned a lot and deployed uptime-kuma to my home network. Good stuff!!!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Great to hear!

  • @Halsafe
    @Halsafe2 жыл бұрын

    This is perfect! I ended up using a different install method but learned about this from you, thanks for sharing!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad it helped!

  • @fullstackwithsantosh
    @fullstackwithsantosh14 күн бұрын

    I never though I would ever install something to monitor uptime status of my services/hosts. But it's actually nice to see status of everything at one place.

  • @CBarker151
    @CBarker1512 жыл бұрын

    First one of your videos I have seen. Love it, really great content. Going to be taking a look at both Uptime Kuma and the rest of your videos now.

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!!

  • @quiksr20
    @quiksr202 жыл бұрын

    Great Video, I set this up internally for my internal services and then an external one at my parents ( any remote location or VPS would do ) to monitor my self hosted public services. To monitor public services you cant really monitor from the same location, power goes out so does your monitoring.. Great video!

  • @Lee-qy3bc
    @Lee-qy3bc2 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait to try this out, great outro by the way, the homeland spiral.

  • @prashanthb6521
    @prashanthb65212 жыл бұрын

    This would be a very nice service for my set up. Thanks a lot for introducing this to me.

  • @skynetskynet4845
    @skynetskynet48452 жыл бұрын

    What a great service. Fast, reliable and working great on a Rpi4. Thanks TIM :)

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Great to hear!

  • @Backtrack3332
    @Backtrack33322 жыл бұрын

    This is awesome. Thanks for showing us this gem!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    You bet!

  • @alanjrobertson
    @alanjrobertson2 жыл бұрын

    Wow wow wow 🤯🤯🤯🤯 Love this! To rally going to be installing this later today, thanks for letting me know about it!

  • @Master.Billy.Quizboy
    @Master.Billy.Quizboy2 жыл бұрын

    Man, this is the 3rd Uptime Kuma video I've watched in as many weeks. I guess I have to set it up! 🤣

  • @borealis370
    @borealis3702 жыл бұрын

    great quality! much appreciated.

  • @robking1054
    @robking10542 жыл бұрын

    Another great video Tim. I found the latest release to not work on ARM but the version prior is fine. Nice to use this with slack. I can easily be alerted when my wife starts turning my gadgets off!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    👍

  • @TobiasMann7
    @TobiasMann72 жыл бұрын

    This made my day. Simple and effective!

  • @ianneub
    @ianneub2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing this, Uptime Kuma seems pretty awesome. Fun fact it even supports Prometheus and Grafana!

  • @PileofKyle
    @PileofKyle2 жыл бұрын

    Just looking for something like this! Thanks for sharing

  • @willytylee
    @willytylee2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! This is very useful!

  • @meteailesi
    @meteailesi2 жыл бұрын

    That is awesome content , thanks from Turkey !

  • @support2587
    @support25872 жыл бұрын

    Well that went smoothly. Thanks.

  • @BrentHawkins
    @BrentHawkins2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you sir! Excellent vids as always!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad you like them!

  • @Venkor
    @Venkor2 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I'm working in enterprise monitoring as a developer and didn't know that tool exist till now :) Does it support some kind of plugins like any kind of DB monitoring, SNMP traps etc.? Looks easy to setup to at least have something tell you about the overall service status :) Again thanks for another great and strightforward content and also kudos to all the Uptime Kuma contributors for such tool!

  • @n0madfernan257
    @n0madfernan2572 жыл бұрын

    Used this to monitor my routers and CPEs. Thanks tim.

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nice!

  • @georgioskatsanakis1711
    @georgioskatsanakis1711 Жыл бұрын

    I think i will love puma. Thanks for the video

  • @anlongdus
    @anlongdus2 жыл бұрын

    Awesome, thanks for sharing!

  • @fbifido2
    @fbifido22 жыл бұрын

    love your docker videos :)

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @Brainpitcher
    @Brainpitcher2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely awesome!!! Thanx!

  • @jaimecabrera8102
    @jaimecabrera8102Ай бұрын

    Great video, thanks.

  • @spicyF1
    @spicyF12 жыл бұрын

    Great Video Tim,

  • @RisedSky
    @RisedSky2 жыл бұрын

    Man, i was looking for a uptime service opensource, free, and lightweight, you are in my brain or what ? ahahah , good video, keep the good work, love all your videos :)

  • @krzysztofkaminski6474

    @krzysztofkaminski6474

    2 жыл бұрын

    Check statping for minimal uptime service

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @Glatze603
    @Glatze6032 жыл бұрын

    Thank's a lot, another very cool open source tool - and fancy, too :-)

  • @orrymr
    @orrymr2 жыл бұрын

    Hey great video ~ subscribed!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much!

  • @kimsec
    @kimsec Жыл бұрын

    the ending of the video is on point! lmao

  • @EduardKondratyuk
    @EduardKondratyuk2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much!

  • @FabianoChagas
    @FabianoChagas2 жыл бұрын

    Such a cool tool Thanks for sharing!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @jonathonsissom6655
    @jonathonsissom66552 жыл бұрын

    Ah i've used nagios quite a few times before. But this, now this is nice!! I like it

  • @ChristopherReevesNZ
    @ChristopherReevesNZ2 жыл бұрын

    Wow this is so cool, thanks for sharing! :) :) :)

  • @bluewombat
    @bluewombat2 жыл бұрын

    This would be great to have running on a Chrome OS Compute stick or something running in kiosk mode, and then some extension that automatically switches between this and other dashboards you wanna show on the monitor, like NUT status for instance, Observium etc.

  • @shawn2296
    @shawn2296 Жыл бұрын

    deff gonna set this up

  • @ShahzadKhanSK
    @ShahzadKhanSK2 жыл бұрын

    This is awesome. I am using Microsoft Teams web hooks and it works great. Thanks for sharing this.

  • @AlonsoVPR
    @AlonsoVPR2 жыл бұрын

    Great tool man!!

  • @Botio
    @Botio2 жыл бұрын

    Could u also do an episode about fancy STMP mail server setting up? good looking one only. thx

  • @95923843
    @95923843 Жыл бұрын

    That is wonderful, I would like to which part to determinate the notification time zone (if I use slack), the docker or the slack workspace ? any ideas ?

  • @jonisapp
    @jonisapp7 ай бұрын

    There is also Gatus which is more customizable and uses far less ressources because written in go (~20-50MB with Sqlite as storage vs > 150-200MB). At the beginning Uptime-kuma was great but I have only had issues since. Gatus config is made through code which allows for more features and customization.

  • @soreLful
    @soreLful2 жыл бұрын

    Fancy indeed. Nice tutorial man

  • @talbech
    @talbech2 жыл бұрын

    Zabbix+Graylog+Grafana is hard to configure and maintain, but it provide so much flexibility.

  • @TweakMDS
    @TweakMDS2 жыл бұрын

    Very nice option, Tim! Would you have any recommendation for "fancy" open source tools that can actually do a login and navigate inside a website with a script to check if features are up and running? I was hoping this does it, but it seems a tad more limited than that.

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not sure, I’d probably create a health check endpoint and use an auth token in the header for that

  • @josechavezleiva7617
    @josechavezleiva76172 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video.

  • @uibsen
    @uibsen2 жыл бұрын

    Great video !!!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @allards
    @allards2 жыл бұрын

    Tnx a lot for makingg this video Tim. I was a bit reluctant to implement Grafana seemed like a lot of work and overkill to monitor with al requirements to setup for a small soho.lan. But uptime Kuma took me just a few hours, only 5 min to commit a Docker container into my Portainer stack :) and the rest to setup all the devices I/ services nto Uptime Kuma. I don't expose Kuma to the Internet (can access via Tailscale) , removed the password and created a status page for my Girlfriend to jump to from Heimdall. Can she check if there is something wrong and what's the issue. Well that’s at least in theory what I'd hope she does! :)

  • @janvanveldhuizen_visma
    @janvanveldhuizen_visma2 жыл бұрын

    Hahaha... I finally have something running successfully in my homelab. Don't tell I have to spin up another service to monitor it. :P Well, just kidding. I like it.

  • @Calvin420GetRektM8
    @Calvin420GetRektM82 жыл бұрын

    The Endcard, I feel this xD

  • @bbtwano
    @bbtwano2 жыл бұрын

    I don't know how you do it Tim, but every time I am looking for something, you make a video on the exact thing I'm looking for! Already so much better than the Solarwinds ipMonitor i was using. Thanks!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    🤯 thank you!

  • @alessandromarchioro1726
    @alessandromarchioro17262 жыл бұрын

    Seems like it's time to remove Grafana for something simpler and easier to configure! Thanks for the video, really informative, well done :)

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @xandam
    @xandam2 жыл бұрын

    What about devops classics such as grafana ? It has the benefit of not being limited to health checks and uptimes.

  • @transatlant1c
    @transatlant1c2 жыл бұрын

    This might sound silly at first, but if implementing this yourself you should also consider a ‘backup’ instance that monitors your main instance (eg. if main UK goes down, you need to know about it as none of its monitors will work either) - I run my backup on a pi and the main on my main array for some redundancy.

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sounds awesome! Not silly!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Someone's gotta watch the watchers!

  • @brian1xevdo
    @brian1xevdo2 жыл бұрын

    Another excellent guide! I’ll definitely be deploying this shortly. Also, with all your self-hosted apps, do you host your website?

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    I do!

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also, thank you!

  • @emvdl
    @emvdl2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks 👍

  • @HelloHelloXD
    @HelloHelloXD2 жыл бұрын

    8:05 How do you back up your docker volumes? Do you have to stop your containers before backing up the data folder? Can you make a video about it?

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    I use syncthing to sync this entire folder to another machine, and from there I can also back it up to the cloud!

  • @yaroslavurshu2732
    @yaroslavurshu27322 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @dermuschelschluerfer
    @dermuschelschluerfer2 жыл бұрын

    i guess i will use kuma to monitor kuma too :D

  • @miki007s
    @miki007s2 жыл бұрын

    Can you add monitors like in bulk mode? Let's say using a script to import hosts/devices from xml or csv?

  • @davidrobertnewman
    @davidrobertnewman2 жыл бұрын

    The status page listing all hosts/services in looks quite useful. Does Uptime Kuma support different views, with perhaps one page showing public-facing services and one or more other pages showing internal stuff? Thanks.

  • @andrewjohnston359

    @andrewjohnston359

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not separate pages, but you can add groups and tags. Groups is just like a sub heading and you drag the monitors down to the appropriate one (only in status view). Tags are just that...but you can select colours to make it easy to distinguish what's what (only in dashboard view). I think they need the ability to add a monitor to a group when you create it, so it puts itself in the right place, rather than manually dragging and dropping under the correct heading. Also, filtering by tags would be a nice addition

  • @technologyLife20203
    @technologyLife202032 жыл бұрын

    Any easy way of getting the email notifications setup by chance ?

  • @borolo222
    @borolo2222 жыл бұрын

    Great stuff, now how to add it to home assistant...

  • @BlutoSlice
    @BlutoSlice2 жыл бұрын

    To replace nagios with free fancy would be nice. Can you have custom service type checks I'd need disk capacity monitors to cover all bases

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    No disk checks or anything like that with Kuma, only uptime service monitoring. I’d use grafana for that

  • @MrRyteByte
    @MrRyteByte Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Tim for this walk through. I am totally new to Docker. I set up docker and installed Uptime Kuma. It installed successfully, but when I try to view logs using docker logs uptime-kuma, all it shows is "exec /usr/bin/dumb-init: operation not permitted" over and over again. This is on Ubuntu server 22.04. Any idea on how to access the logs successfully?

  • @Ne0_Vect0r
    @Ne0_Vect0r2 жыл бұрын

    damn I like this fancy thingy

  • @eric90000
    @eric900002 жыл бұрын

    This is awesome, I will be setting this up for sure! Do you know if there is some way you can set this up to monitor your WAN connection? And sent alerts locally when the WAN goes down (e.g. an ISP outage or something?).

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Just monitor an external site like google.com (easiest) or ping your WAN gateway.

  • @eric90000

    @eric90000

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TechnoTim thanks for the help :) looking forward to more videos!

  • @memack101
    @memack101 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks.

  • @bpetrikovics
    @bpetrikovics2 жыл бұрын

    The one bummer is that Kuma does not support its data volume over NFS, due to the fact it only supports Sqlite3 as backing database, and NFS is maybe the easiest way "at home" to provide a shared volume for a cluster (I use Swarm). And I think it would be really important to be able to deploy a service availability app in a redundant, fault tolerant way ;)

  • @TechnoTim

    @TechnoTim

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed. I wish it would support a proper external db

  • @unknown_channel_name
    @unknown_channel_name2 жыл бұрын

    Can you make a video for Internet speed monitoring.

  • @aguspije
    @aguspije2 жыл бұрын

    i using this uptime kuma, but i have question. uptime kuma monitor via internet or local network if we deploy on local networks?

  • @zooooo17
    @zooooo17 Жыл бұрын

    love it

  • @markgilbert249
    @markgilbert2492 жыл бұрын

    How would you compare this against LibreNMS?

  • @TEKENGLOBAL
    @TEKENGLOBAL2 жыл бұрын

    Does anyone know how to delete an existing tag or change the color for an existing one?? I see no method to delete or modify a tag once created and the system appears to have limitations in not being able to reuse a tag worded the same.

  • @gkaruk
    @gkaruk Жыл бұрын

    Anyone know of way to implement the Portainer setting of "Portainer ensure containers no new privileges" option for this container?

  • @johnglasscock7018
    @johnglasscock7018 Жыл бұрын

    If this is hosted on a local homelab, is there any port forwarding or something of the sort to get discord notifications to work?

  • @physk2186
    @physk21862 жыл бұрын

    I bet Facebook wished they had watched this yesterday 😜

  • @mrmotofy
    @mrmotofy9 ай бұрын

    The file contents from Louis lists file name as 3.8, I had to change it to 3.3 after an error

  • @fbifido2
    @fbifido22 жыл бұрын

    Do you have any good easy to deploy docker honeypot ???

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