I think guys like Dantley's best role is probable as a sixth man. A walking bucket. A scoring machine who can keep you in the game while your starters are resting.

@mohamedadan6678

Жыл бұрын

hes far to valuable to be on the bench, his game would be perfect for the late 90s and early 2000s when heavy ISO players dominated the league, AI for a example.

@mookeychase0907

5 ай бұрын

​@@mohamedadan6678what did that bozo say? He didn't see AD play he had a seven year stretch from 79-86 where he Avg'd 28,30,30,30,30,26,29 The Pistons didn't touch the ECF until he got there and if Zeke doesn't throw the ball to Larry in '87 they go all three years he was there making him a sixth man would cost somebody a job A was a bucket for real… these dudes watch these vids and comment like they really know but they don't…

He was also known for being a 3 point scorer when you needed it; but not from 3 point land, rather from getting And Ones'.

@charlesjohnson8527

5 жыл бұрын

Fast Dry a lost art

Please do one on Alex English, he’s an elite 80s scorer that never gets love.

@futurekillerful

6 жыл бұрын

Ken Clouds gets more love then this guy though but true

@churchservice2700

6 жыл бұрын

Ken Clouds English was the greatest scorer of the 80s decade, hands down... and this is a decade that included great scorers such as Larry Bird, George Gervin, Dominique Wilkins, Adrian Dantley, Bernard King, Mark Aguirre, etc... and these guys all played the small forward position just like English

@swishking5101

6 жыл бұрын

Church Service adrian dantley?

@lilmilkdud6874

6 жыл бұрын

Rip amazing grace

@comicthecon

6 жыл бұрын

No there’s already a video on him. He should do one on Iceman the best scorer of the 70’s/80’s

The fact this dude shot 57% from the field and avg 30+ for 4 str8 yrs is pretty amazing for a 6'5" sf.

@coreyshafarman8918

4 жыл бұрын

?Everything Loveurlife right? That’s impressive for a 7’ center, it’s amazing for a guy his size

@ON-qe5fj

4 жыл бұрын

@@coreyshafarman8918 Yeah, but he's not even 6'5,, real height 6'3. 6'4 at the most.

@ShangoDC

3 жыл бұрын

Dantley might not even be 6'5"!

@jefferyroy2566

3 жыл бұрын

I had Rockets season tickets for floor seats under the basket in 1986, when the Jazz came to town. Dantley was injured and didn't play, but sat down a few rows behind us late in the 4th quarter. As he was walking to his seats, I thought it was him but wasn't sure. That's because this supposedly 6'5" dude was barely 6'3". But after turning around a couple of times to check, it was definitely that guy. My buddy, Rick, agreed it was him. And we both agreed Dantley was NOT 6'5". So add that to the other remarkable facts about "Teach", the smallest of the great NBA small forwards.

@PoliticusRex632

3 жыл бұрын

His 1st step was so dangerous he got away with shooting set shots from the perimeter.

Teams would love his scoring efficiency today. And we're in the analytics movement too

@churchservice2700

6 жыл бұрын

PoliticalGangster __ That's why I find it extremely amusing when these little kids today cry about James Harden getting free throws... I remember watching PRIME Dantley in the 80s in Utah... you couldn't guard this guy on isolation... the average defender that would match up against him would get fouled out before the 3rd quarter ended... he was very difficult to guard... and he was a GREAT scorer due to his high shooting attempts and his efficiency... Harden reminds of Dantley so much... only that Harden was a little more athletic, greater shooter from longer distances, and more skilled offensively due to his passing/play making... but in terms of strictly scoring and guarding difficulty... Harden and Dantley in their primes were the two most difficult wing scorers to defend in the modern NBA

@Player_Review

6 жыл бұрын

And fun to watch. 6-time all-star for more reasons than just the stat line.

@paulfrantizek102

5 жыл бұрын

With today's rules on Hand Checking, he'd probably average 40 pts per game.

@keenannorris3309

Жыл бұрын

He was basically a 1-on-1 player. It's hard to imagine his style of play in this era of ball movement and fast play.

@politicalgangster9395

Жыл бұрын

@@keenannorris3309 if you look at more recent playoffs stats. Isolation is actually really good when it comes to points per possession. Because your best player consistently has the ball. It’s a flip from the regular season.

AD was definitely a technician. Great player on low post.

Joe Dumars credits Dantley with teaching him how to be a professional in the nba & it was reported that 1 of his legs is significantly shorter than the other which is why he wore othotics in his shoes...

I disagree on his lack of play on defense...As a long time Pistons fan I remember his play in the 1988 Eastern Conference Finals against the Celtics as he and Dennis Rodman's combined defense shut down Larry Bird...check Basketball Reference Larry Bird Shot 35.1% from the field that series...Adrian Dantley average 37.0 minutes a game in that series (vs. Rodman's 15 minutes a game)...so "The Teacher's" defense was a bit underrated....Also take note of the 1987 Eastern Conf Semi Finals against the Atlanta Hawks...Dantley also helped keep Dominique Wilkins in check that series for %38.2 from the field....although Dantley was not a willing passer his free throw attempts were key to the Pistons defensive philosophy as him going to the line and converting at a high percentage allowed the Pistons to set their half court defense

@cameronsanford7118

6 жыл бұрын

Probably just played defense in the playoffs

@4ft3rburn3r

4 жыл бұрын

I recall Dantley was a beast both offensively and defensively (half court).

@369pendulum

4 жыл бұрын

@@4ft3rburn3r Well his coach the man that saw him play everything single day in practice& games felt differently

@gamble777888

4 жыл бұрын

Yea, seems like a dude that just never played in good teams when he was in his prime, probably the reason he is forgotten.

@sickofguysnamedtodd2293

3 жыл бұрын

@@gamble777888 he was on the Pistons during their first championship year but got traded near the deadline for Mark Aguirre. Mainly because he didn’t get along with Isiah Thomas.

This man has the highest points per minuts of all time I mean 4 straight 30+ppg seasons What more needs to be said

@mohamedadan6678

Жыл бұрын

while shooting over 55%fg! 🤯🤯🤯

@ronniewoodinsteadofmt2615

Жыл бұрын

That’s right !! AD in my opinion the toughest scorer ever . Can’t stop him . They talk about Worthy’s first step ?? Mr AD was doing faster and better than him or anyone . Period.! Joey in Pennsylvania

All that said, I loved to watch him play. I remember his invariable routine at the free-throw line. And he had so many ways to score, even when the opposing team knew he was going to. No one better at the half-court game in his time.

So this is the guy who is keeping me in 2k from having the most steals in a game

@Scarlet-Dragon

6 жыл бұрын

Bouba Traore LMAO

@Julian2648

6 жыл бұрын

Bouba Traore 😂

@magicschoolbusdropout842

2 жыл бұрын

NBA 2K is a bad game DONT let that decide who is a good player

I really enjoyed watching Dantley play when I was growing up. Guy was a really really great scorer. Kind of like Alex English.

Adrian Dantley is the gold standard for efficiency. He scored 50 points in a game in 1980 while only shooting 17 shots! (No 3s yet in the NBA)

@mohamedadan6678

Жыл бұрын

he was a master at getting fouls thats why, he was unorthodox.

Fun Fact: Adrian Dantley is now a school crossing guard in Maryland

@X02Overdose

6 жыл бұрын

Sammy Deol WHAT SCHOOL???

@BornToBeRollingStone

6 жыл бұрын

Isn't it sad that an NBA legend is a now a school crossing guard while even bums in the 2018 NBA can make enough money to be rich for the rest of their live ?

@JoeBro915

6 жыл бұрын

Simon he volunteered to do it, he doesn’t have to

@BornToBeRollingStone

6 жыл бұрын

JoeBro915 My bad then.

@slappywhite2669

6 жыл бұрын

AD has plenty of money but it's notoriously frugal. He kept much of his per diem money as a player. He only does it for the health insurance benefits

Part of Detroit's transition away from AD must have started when he got badly injured in the playoffs against Boston. It seemed like his Detroit teammates figured out then, and maybe other times, that they'd be okay without him. When he was healthy, it was hard for Boston to defend against him.

The mental picture I always have of AD was him at the free throw line. The stats confirm it.

You should do one on Alex English or the Denver Nuggets of the 80s at one time they had three players who averaged 20 points a game but never really did anything

@churchservice2700

6 жыл бұрын

JustCallMeRock That's true... Alex English, Kiki Vandeghwe, and Dan Issel... Alex English was the greatest scorer of the 80s decade... and this was a decade that included other great scorers in their primes such as Larry Bird, Dominique Wilkins, Adrian Dantley, Bernard King, and Mark Aguirre... and these guys played the small forward position just like English

@swishking5101

6 жыл бұрын

JustCallMeRock they had the worst defense in the league. Shows why defense wins championships.

@comicthecon

6 жыл бұрын

They played no defense, literally no defense. Once David thompson became coked up that team was going no where lmao

@ElectricCool

5 жыл бұрын

They had one team I believe that set a record of avg a 125 or something like that per game and scoring 100 + every game one year I believe. Not sure which one. They never got past the Lakers or even Spurs/Rockrts because they'd also GIVE UP LIKE 120 ....

@ElectricCool

5 жыл бұрын

@@comicthecon he really was the only Nugget that cared about that other end of the court...clearly their best ever player, sad that he self destructed. English was a magnificent scorer but unlike Skywalker, feel deep into Doug Moe's trap. Lol

AD was my hero! The very first youTube video I ever watched was AD schooling Kevin McHale. You point out a lot of supposed flaws in his game, but he was not on teams that allowed him to do anythig but score. You failed to mention his early career in which despite carrying his teams he was trading for very valuable assets many times. He was a part of trades that improved both hhis previous and new teams, from Buffalo to Indiana to The Lakers, to Utah to Detroit, Dantley was worth a lot. He was one of the long line of great players from DCs DeMatha High. Dantley was highly regarded by Red Auerbach. Imagine if he could have joined the Celtics as a rookie. In the right surroundings, AD would have a totally different career. If you think he would not have changed, remember Adrian built himself into the player he became. He was one of the first NBA players to effectively weight train and modify his diet. Dantley's accomplishments were during an era of outstanding small forwards: Bird, English, Dr J, Bernard King, Marques Johnson, Jamaal Wilkes; yet he was routinely guarded by power forwards 5-6 inches and 30 or 40 pounds heavier. Today's fans need to know about the forgotten players and teams of the late 70s and early 80s: Gus Williams and the 1977-78 Supersonics who went from 5-17 to the finals; the Championship Bobbys at small forward of that era: Jones, Gross, and Dandridge; and the pre 'the Shot' Cavs who were 5 and 0 against the Bulls before Jordan assasinated them in the womb. Keep up the great videos, Andy!

Wasn't until his 5th year before NBA introduced the 3-point line. A lot of players of that era didn't like the 3-point line. Dantley shot a few over the years, but only went 7 of 41. In Dantley's last year with the Jazz, he had rookie Karl Malone dropping 15 points as well as rookie John Stockton. Also had block leader Mark Eaton (3.5 BPG that year). Jazz were 3rd best defensive team that year, but their defense was near worst. Was still a few years before Stockton and Malone would dominate the game.

@Amick44

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, but he had an underrated DEADLY mid range J. Inside 17 feet, he could really shoot. With the step back, he gave himself clearance over taller, more athletic players.

Videos like this are exactly why I love Andy Hoops' channel. These deep, insightful analyses of unknown players, especially guys who should be much better known than they are. Great work Andy!

The Pistons made huge gains after acquiring Dantley. Before trading for him they had trouble getting out of the first round; but with him, they reached the Conference Finals in his first year and the NBA Finals in his second while posting more regular season wins.

i just watched a video about how he’s a youth basketball coach in journalism class yesterday lol

A video on Fat Lever would be great. I’ve heard the triple double became well known because of him!

@Amick44

4 жыл бұрын

Well, he was certainly the best and smallest guy to get a lotta triple doubles.

Good vid man. Learned something new today

Great video!

Great vid Andy, plis make a video of Mark Aguirre, another great scorer of the 80's and tell your opinion why the Pistons won two rings with him and not with Dantley.

Bulls fan here....I LOVED AD's game. So serious and committed and really knew his craft and had great technique. He also took great care of himself. The 1988 Pistons should have won the Finals that year and he would've been a champ. Maybe he was mercurial, but that's all of us at times.

The 80's Utah Jazz was an incredible team if you see the names: Stockton, Malone, Griffith, Eaton and Dantley, if they would play together in a different era they should be champs. I mean just think about how The 90's Utah could be better with Eaton in the 97 and 98 finals, imagine with Darrell or with Adrian. Definiteley they were a talented team but the Laker were too dominant in the west.

@casualfandestroyer2503

4 жыл бұрын

They finally made the finals in 97 /98 because the older stars like Olajuwon Barkley and drexler we’re aging and the younger stars like Kobe duncan and Garnett had not touched there primes yet Bill Simmons points this out in his book

AD aka Mass Buckets. Love your breakdowns as always Andy.

Lifelong Pistons fan,I have to say I liked the trade when Dantley got dealt for Mark Aguirre.

another 🔥 vid andy

I remember him killing the Lakers in the finals. He either scored or got fouled.

He was one of my favorite players to watch. He was practically unstoppable at his best. Give him the ball -- money in the bank. One man alone could never defend him.

Great Video

That's why I find it extremely amusing when these little kids today cry about James Harden getting free throws... I remember watching PRIME Dantley in the 80s in Utah... you couldn't guard this guy on isolation... the average defender that would match up against him would get fouled out before the 3rd quarter ended... he was very difficult to guard... and he was a GREAT scorer due to his high shooting attempts and his efficiency... Harden reminds of Dantley so much... only that Harden is a little more athletic, better shooter from longer distances, and more skilled offensively due to his passing/play making... but in terms of strictly scoring and guarding difficulty... Harden and Dantley in their primes were the two most difficult wing scorers to defend in the modern NBA

@mitchelll3879

2 жыл бұрын

Hardon is nothing but a shuffling jiving gunner who never wins anything..hate his game as much as anyone not named karl malone or carmelo anthony

love ur vids

Thanks for giving love to Adrian!!!!

Best NBA youtuber Andy hoops

Isn't he a school crossing guard now?

@AndyHoops

6 жыл бұрын

Daiton yep I heard he was recently

@adamtwarowski1053

6 жыл бұрын

Andy Hoops damn, that sucks

@stuffstuff8942

6 жыл бұрын

Adam Twarowski That sucks? He’s rich af, he just does it to fill his days and to get health care benefit

@andrewjiang3761

6 жыл бұрын

On weekends he refs rec games around the county where I live. My friends have met him haha. Guess he wants to live lowkey

@NukeTheWorld

6 жыл бұрын

Andrew Jiang probably just giving back to the community.

Lover your vids

I met him a few years back he refs a men’s league seemed like a genuine guy

You should do a video on Peja Stoakovic

I'm crying at how he cooked McHale @ 4:10 lmao

Good video

They should do an episode of the portal of him vs James Harden.

Wilt, yeah Wilt Chamberlain said "I never saw a 6'5 guy score inside like that. Elgin didn't do it. Nobody has" Barkley may be close, but Dantley wasn't a defensive end sized tank like Barkley, either.

BTW in 1988 Game 6 Finals, Laimbeer's foul on Kareem was sketchy to be sure, however the Pistons still had 14 seconds left and did nothing with the ball, so they lost that game

5:28 That is some sad defense by McHale. Plus you never see this crappy team defense in today's NBA. So glad they changed the rules to allow zone defenses

1. Bernard King 2. George Gervin 3. Adrian Dantley 4. Alex English

Should’ve been 1984 MVP

Adrian is one of my all-time favorites. I was mad when the Pistons traded him.

@MrAitraining

Жыл бұрын

They were better off getting rid of him just like every other team that got rid of him before that (lakers, jazz). They all were better for it. Selfish player.

He used to go t my gym. Idk about now but he did. He also refereed a few of my school games

I've been sayin this guy is one of the most underrated scorers ever

@carterbilbro4615

3 жыл бұрын

The*

Former Jazz coach Frank Layden was hilarious. Layden is featured heavily in Basketball Bloopers.

Also, Adrian Dantley was LISTED at 6-5. Look at pictures of him next to a 6-3 Joe Dumars. Dumars is taller than Dantley. That's not a joke. Dantley was a 6-3 post player with a negligible vertical leap and still could score on anyone, anywhere.

@kaspafischer

4 жыл бұрын

really bro? Joe D. was actually taller than the original A.D.? wow, blows my mind...

His teammates get frustrated when buddy milks the clock like that, only to shoot 95% of the time. Hell, I probably wouldn't cut and set picks if I knew he was a black hole, like that.

@Amick44

4 жыл бұрын

I've heard that's why Detroit traded him. Could score like few others, ok passer, but ball stopper.

@ujohnlynch2341

4 жыл бұрын

@@Amick44 Actually, he clashed with Isaiah Thomas so Thomas pushed to have AD traded for Mark Aguirre who was good friends with Thomas. Daly also wanted more defense and liked playing Rodman down the stretch of games. AD refused to come out of a game once so they traded him.

@Amick44

4 жыл бұрын

@@ujohnlynch2341 dantley never got over it either. Understandable.

@Amick44

4 жыл бұрын

You'd see the same thing in Philly with Iverson. He would dribble & dance incessantly, wind the clock down, then drive or jack it up.

@grammysworld5449

4 жыл бұрын

@@Amick44 they traded him so IT could get his fuck buddy.. They would've won against LA had he not gotten injured

1973 graduate of the great and still most winning high school basketball program in the country, Dematha Catholic High School right outside of Washington, DC. Coached by the great Morgan Wooten who I think was the first high school coach inducted in the Hall of Frame. Grow up and played his basketball in Washington, DC before leaving to go to Nortre Dame University 1973 -1977. Lives in the DC metro area to date. Also, Kenny Carr played for Dematha High with AD and played 10 years in the NBA for Portland. Washington, DC and entire DMV has been producing professional for a long time. Adrian Branch and Danny Ferry went to Dematha High during the 80's and also played NBA. It's been in the water for a long time in the DMV not just recently.

Id like this guy on my roster,anyone else?These kinda players that have brains could win rings

@kemosabeusmc

2 жыл бұрын

You can't run an offense with him. He needs the ball, which means other players are iced out. He doesn't play defense. You have to run sets that keep him from getting the ball of you want to get other players going. That's counter intuitive. He's a coaches nightmare, because so good offensively but he's unintentionally selfish. It sounds like he's autistic

One of Wash DCs finest

Dantley coached Melo in Denver.

_Kawhi Mind, Carmelo's Career, and The Beard's Charity Stripe_ *GEESH*

He’s my favorite player . I’m 58 years old and saw some great ones . But AD is the boss . I’m probably his biggest fan . Joey from Pa

@pathebasse4052

2 жыл бұрын

et tu as raison..you are right in your mind ..

@pathebasse4052

2 жыл бұрын

huge player

@pathebasse4052

2 жыл бұрын

souvenirs of france to pistons Detroit

You should do " What happened to Bruno Caboclo"

Had one of the best fadeaway s ever.

The amazing thing is that he was a below the rim player when all of the inside players were over the rim players. You'll never see that again.

@Amick44

5 жыл бұрын

You don't often. He and Larry defied such "logic."

Happy 65th birthday to my favorite of all time, the great AD.

He and Alex English were two of the top 3 scorers of the 80s and didn't make the 75 anniversary team. Only two players from every decade since the 70s top 3 scorers, who didn't make it. What a shame!

Yo I remember meeting him when he was a crossing guard at my school.

But you forgot that he got drafted by the clippers which got him cursed

Do Alex English next he very underrated

I thought people said Bernard King was the Melo of the 80s? or is that just because he played for the Knicks?

@kenechi9083

6 жыл бұрын

trynano1 he was a center what are u talking about

@DennisRodman69

6 жыл бұрын

Jeff Teague He was Combo foward

@trynano1

6 жыл бұрын

Jeff Teague lol atleast check his Basketball reference stats page before asking what I am talking about smh.

@churchservice2700

6 жыл бұрын

Bernard King was similar to Carmelo Anthony... Carmelo just had much higher usage percentages compared to King

@TheIcemanthomas

6 жыл бұрын

Jeff Teague benard was not a center nigga

Andy please make video about zaza pachulia

Add he was a hell of a rebounder!

I just got his card on 2k and then I got a recommendation about him

I remember Dantley getting his bell rung in the 87 playoffs

Kawhi like personality

he kinda play like 2015-2016 demar derozen

Everybody needs to stop at 3:45 and look at that guys form.

Most people didn't even know that Adrian Dantley played on the Lakers back in the day. But I agree with the host about everything he stated except the fact that A.D was selfish. If he was selfish than so was Dominic, Bird, Jordan, LeBron, etc....and of course Kobie.

First time I heard on him was in the 30 for 30 about the Pistons.

Played in the wrong era

@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t

6 жыл бұрын

Pokjin if he was in this era he wouldn't make a roster

@mlndr8551

6 жыл бұрын

Steph Curry The G.O.A.T you are kidding. The era he played in was the most violent and with defence era.

@diamondcutter4056

6 жыл бұрын

Steph Curry The G.O.A.T hahaha he would be averaging 50 ppg

@mlndr8551

6 жыл бұрын

Sharp Shooter ikr maybe not 50 but 35 fo sho

@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t

6 жыл бұрын

MLNDR defense was trash in the 80s dumbass. Give me a reason why it was good

I like his old school New Balance definitely an interesting choice

Introverts are often misunderstood throughout society.

Certainly has a spot at the all80s team

I always thought it was funny when he coached Carmelo Anthony in Denver. He pretty much turned the Anthony into a carbon copy of him as a player.

The thing is, Dantley was right. He was among the most efficient scorers of all time - it was entirely appropriate for him to have the ball a lot, and bashing him as a ball hog is at this point not really valid basketball strategy anymore. Imagine giving Luca or Giannis fewer than 15 shots per game. Well Dantley was a more efficient shooter that both of them in his era. Going by what we know now about basketball that we didn’t know then, if teams had given Dantley what he wanted their teams would have been better. And he’s also kind of right that Isiah Thomas is a con man.

Growing up in DC He was my idle I don't understand why he not included in the altime 75 .

Mr. And One

He was great. A top scorer

Can you do one on Michael Ray Richardson and or Jack Sikma?

He was about to get a ring with the pistons but he butted his head into a microwave -- No wonder he is a crossing guard now. Love you AD.

Yo that intro kinda scared the hell outta me with that abrupt yelling lol

Andy do a vision Bernard King

He lives in my neighborhood

TOMMY HEINSOHN STATED ADRIAN DANTLEY WAS THE MOST" CEREBRAL"PLAYER IN THE NBA. AND ACCORDING TO HIS FORMER COACH CHUCK DALY THEY WOULD LET HIM HOLD THE BALL UNTIL HE WAS DOUBLE TEAMED SO HE COULD KICK THE BALL OUT TO THE OPEN MAN. HIS STYLE OF PLAY GAVE THE PISTONS DISCIPLINE. THAT RUN AND GUN STYLE HADN'T BEEN WORKING.THAT'S WHY THEY TRADED FOR HIM. IN THOSE EPIC BATTLES AGAINST THE CELTICS IN THE 1980'S HE. OUTPLAYED LARRY BIRD ON BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR WHICH HE NEVER GOT CREDIT FOR.I GOT THE GAMES ON DVD.ONE GAME I'D LOVE TO SEE IS WHEN AD DROPPED 45 POINTS ON THE BULLS AND CAUSED MICHAEL JORDAN TO FOUL OUT THE GAME WHICH IS REALLY RARE!!

@mohamedadan6678

Жыл бұрын

what year did he score 45 on the bulls?

the Harden comparison is VERY vaild. AD didn't have Harden's range, but everything else. Slowed the game down and made defenders act first.

@mohamedadan6678

Жыл бұрын

True but harden was also a fantastic playmaker and got his team mates involved (shocking i know lol), harden was consistently in the top 10 secondary assists and passes per game during his high AST average seasons.

@Amick44

Жыл бұрын

@@mohamedadan6678 no disagreement. But I feel his ball dominance was a detriment vs the top teams. Against the mediocre and weaker teams, it usually didn't matter

Do vid on Deron Willams

@TheIcemanthomas

6 жыл бұрын

Brian Kwon overated

Dantley is underrated also because his career was a bit unlucky, as he always found himself on the wrong team.. Which is something easier to happen if you don't help yourself with being a team player and working for the team. But still he was unlucky as well: for ex in Detroit he was one of the player fitting the least with the type of team he is playing in that I ever saw. Of course Isaiah is a well...dont wanna say dirty but..., and you have to do what he wants (and he is planning everything to go the way he wants, but without speaking openly..) but to say the truth, AD never fitted in that team... That team won with great attack from the backcourt and great defenders and sturdy players in the froncourt..

This dude is my neighbor

Do mark Aguirre and Alex English next