What did you think of David Tennant's return in The Star Beast?

I'm having a hard time feeling any kind of tension or suspense or even emotion now that Tennant has come back and Donna has also gotten her memories back like it was nothing. Like you said, it's hard to find the whole "I don't want to go" story in the End of Time meaningful anymore, or Donna losing her memories in Journey's End emotional, because all of that has been undone. I will always remember that this resurrection is what is eventually coming to these characters while watching those stories. Those stories had no consequences or any lasting effects on any character now. They just happened, and that's not what I think stories should be like. I much preferred it when it took Donna's sacrifice to stop the Daleks and Davros in Journey's End, and when 10 had to face his time was up because we all have to one day. There's still some hope that in the third special everything reverts back to how it used to be and the original consequences will be restored, but I have a feeling that won't happen. And if it won't, I won't be able to enjoy the events of series 4 and the specials that followed in the same way ever again. And that is unfortunate.

@MidnightChimey

8 ай бұрын

That is exactly the problem, and it makes it harder to have any emotional investment in anything going forward as well

Another thing is the Wrarth Warriors can blow up Donna's house with the stun guns but not scorch the taxi? There is a close up shot before the explosion where they point the same guns and it is never explained.

@MidnightChimey

8 ай бұрын

I never noticed that, it's a minor point but it is a bit inconsistent

@YoungButRetro

8 ай бұрын

@@MidnightChimey yeah it's something I noticed on rewatch with my partner

@ftumschk

8 ай бұрын

The black cabs of London were built to last :)

I loved seeing Tennant and Tate back again in their roles. the best part for me when all hell started to break loose with Donna discovering The Meep, Sylvia trying to gaslight Donna whilst also bickering with The Doctor through the door, and then to top it all off, the husband coming back and can't quite understand what is happening so just latches onto dinner. Perfect. The other wonderful scene was Sylvia trying to do right by Rose and Donna sympathising. It was very sweet and natural. Which is why, for me, it is so clunky later when Rose seems to be weirdly condescending towards the Doctor about The Meep's pronouns. You know, the gender fluid, semi-shapeshifting alien who also uses definitive pronouns on occasion. She has the cheek to also assume she knows anything about the doctor because he looks like a cis man. It's just a bit hypocritical. I get that it may be a way to piss of the non-woke folk and it is quite funny watching it all predictably play out, but I wonder how good that representation can be if it is used as a political tool rather than a person. Especially if that representation as a whole comes across as kinda rude and unlikeable because of those moments.

@MidnightChimey

8 ай бұрын

The dialogue is maybe a bit clunky but I didn't really see it as that condescending. She's not lecturing the Doctor or anything, just pointing out that he assumed the Meep's pronouns, and he acknowledges that she made a good point

I'm mixed on Rose as she does kind of get lost in the story and we don't see how she feels when meep turned out to be evil, I also don't like how the first trans character is so linked with the doctor and how even her making toys is because of plot reasons. For me it makes her less of a character and more just a plot device to get Donna her memories back. And while personally I didn't mind the deadname scene, RTD saying her deadname means doctor I find pretty dumb and just feels like a way to sound smart.

@MidnightChimey

8 ай бұрын

Good points, it does definitely feel like there's a scene missing in Rose's arc somewhere given she is the one who first encounters the Meep. Maybe it was cut so that the focus could be more on the Doctor and Donna

@ftumschk

8 ай бұрын

Jason = "healer" (NB: not "doctor" as such) is only the Greek etymology. It has a separate origin in Christian tradition, where the Hebrew name that became "Jason" in English translations of the New Testament means "the Lord is my saviour". For extra smartie points, it wouldn't have been much of a stretch for RTD to extend that to "the [Time] Lord is my saviour" :)

Just bring back Moffat.

@MidnightChimey

7 ай бұрын

Or maybe stop digging up the past and look forward

@mayotango1317

7 ай бұрын

@@MidnightChimey That is what Moffat did, but the Tenth/Rose weirdos hate it.