Sometimes, the algorithm gives me something beautiful.

Chinese history is underrated

@perrytran9504

6 ай бұрын

I blame the lack of marketable names. Pretty much every popular region/era combo has at least one celebrity people can rally behind as a Chad. The unofficial big 4 conquerors (Alexander, Caesar, Genghis, and Napoleon) are good examples. Chinese history is more often "big picture" which lacks the same mass appeal. It is telling that the one exception (Three Kingdoms) has a lot of well known names.

@Fak-pm7qt

6 ай бұрын

@@perrytran9504 the biggest name in China is kublai khan

@peasantmob1712

6 ай бұрын

@@perrytran9504 There's plenty of big conquerors in China, the west just mostly doesn't know about it because these conquerors didn't affect the west. Genghis Khan is known because his empire ended up right next to Hungary and Poland, albeit after his death.

@fatboy8420

6 ай бұрын

@@peasantmob1712we can thank demasculination of Chinese me n

@qr1-tg1wi

6 ай бұрын

@@perrytran9504 that’s not the reason look at jap history. Vietnam too

As you said this is half the weight of a song dynasty Shen bi Nu and more reflective of a Ming dynasty. Shen bi Nu. Still getting 113 joules which is the energy of an English warbow archer with 160lb. The song dynasty ones with double the draw weight would get easily 200 joules

@b.h.abbott-motley2427

6 ай бұрын

A good 160lb yew bow should manage 130-140 J with medium-weight arrows, but yeah. We're getting close to confirming the high power of historical Chinese crossbows that folks have long speculated about.

@dingdong4156

6 ай бұрын

@@b.h.abbott-motley2427nobody makes 250-350 lb @20” song crossbows prods lol in 2023 that’s the problem.

@HistoricalWeapons

6 ай бұрын

@@dingdong4156m shape is the problem

@siberiaacoustic

6 ай бұрын

160lb bow of wood can perform 113 joules depends on tiller and wood

Beautiful bow! Love when people collaborate from around the world to bring history to life.

would love to see heavier arrows or arrows with different weights. Many Qin dynasty arrow heads, without the wooden shaft, weigh more than 100g. With the wooden shaft, I am speculating it would be more than 200g in total, but it would probably require a much heavier draw-weight than this one though

@lichenggong1248

6 ай бұрын

Tanged arrowheads are heavy

Great looking lamellar armor. You should wear it in future testing videos.

Even with the relatively low draw weight, this is already a decent weapon for a historical battlefield or skirmish. 110-115 J at around 63 m/s is quite respectable & likely similar to what many military bows & crossbows managed across time & space. Assuming a 45.72cm (18in) powerstroke & linear force curve, the efficiency is extremely high: 93-94%. I imagine this bow stores significantly more energy than a linear force curve, but that's still awfully impressive efficiency. If historical prods perform similarly, Song crossbows likely matched or exceeded the best European crossbows known. (That's considering only portable personal weapons, not huge crossbows only suitable from shooting from a fixed position.)

@Dnahwjjwjejnenex

6 ай бұрын

This is suitable weight for cavalry like what he showed. It’s obviously anything heavier and it’s awkward on horseback. (Unless your talking about cavalry artillery dragoons)

@dingdong4156

6 ай бұрын

Don’t forget this bow is designed for 32” draw length at 60” long! So @24” it’s not efficient

@fatboy8420

6 ай бұрын

For cavalry it’s not light

@asiansensation622

6 ай бұрын

I just went back to watch this Tod's Workshop video on his 1000lb steel crossbow. Got a similar result as this due to the shorter power stroke. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nXyivNFvda-rhpM.html

@langdavid6852

6 ай бұрын

@@fatboy8420it’s one of those shoot one shot and retreat, ideally used against melee infantry without range. Alternatively can be used like mounted dragoon

Thank you! I think this is the first test of its kind on a proper Chinese crossbow. The efficiency and power is impressive!

Dude you dont going places you going universes😂

Maybe cavalry crossbows are used like mobile artillery

@gregisk123

6 ай бұрын

I always imagined crossbow cavalry working like dragoons in the 17th-18th century European armies, but without the dismounting. Quick and damaging firepower you can move where you need

@samuelbrown3405

2 ай бұрын

​@@gregisk123maybe a linebreaker strategy? Charge at the enemy lines, shoot your crossbows in unison to break the first rank and then rapidly switch to your lance.

I used to believe mounted crossbowmen were strictly a European thing. This is my first time seeing depictions of Asian ones 😮

@aoe2_elo037

6 ай бұрын

Plenty of depictions in china

@danielwatson1521

5 ай бұрын

The crossbow actually originates from ancient China. 600 BC I think. One of the reasons why you don’t see too much cumbersome armor in China.

@HistoricalWeapons

Ай бұрын

@@danielwatson1521think the armor thing has much more to do with scale of soldiers. Lots more soldiers = lots less armor per soldier

Neath armour man! You maybe could make a video on lamellar armour.

Don’t forget this bow is designed for 32” draw length at 60” bow length long! So @24” it’s not efficient

@strydyrhellzrydyr1345

6 ай бұрын

At 60 inch bow length long... What does that even mean.. Please check your Grammer.

@ParkourEh

6 ай бұрын

No idea why you're getting likes on your comment. Crossbows have never had long draw lengths prior to modern times, and even as a raw bow 32" draw for 60" length is pretty damn good.

@peasantmob1712

6 ай бұрын

What he means is that the length of the bow itself is 60''. A long draw length tends to extent the length of the bow so that it the string can be pulled back further without damaging the limbs of the bow. However, long bow lengths slows down the speed of the string (and arrow) upon release because of the increased mass of the limbs that have to move forward upon release, but a long draw length usually more than offsets this as it gives more distance for the arrow to accelerate. However, when you pull a bow partially back rather than at full draw, the speed of the string (and hence arrow upon release) is still being hampered by the extra weight of the limbs (due to the long limb length) but the bow's not taking advantage of its full draw length to offset this. So what dingdong4156 is saying is that the crossbow shown in this video could have been even more efficient if the prod was designed as a crossbow prod with 24'' draw length, rather than just a bow with 32'' draw attached to a crossbow stock. Because the bow of the crossbow in this video is basically being shot at a partial draw rather than full draw.

@HistoricalWeapons

Ай бұрын

@@peasantmob1712yes, or simplified, this bow is overbuilt. Could of been more efficient

The firing sound is dope! Love the colors

@HistoricalWeapons

6 ай бұрын

Sounds like a gun man

Excellent work as always!

Awesome show! Love your work. Well done. More please!

So tanged crossbow bolts are tanged along the entire shaft up to the nock?

@Not-Just-Cars

6 ай бұрын

if the bolt is too short then you can tang it all the way for extra weight

@Not-Just-Cars

6 ай бұрын

i used tanged and socketed

Is the armour you're wearing meant to be exposed at the sides like that?

@HistoricalWeapons

6 ай бұрын

The gambeson is not Chinese. I believe some gambeson is exposed at sweat spots for summer usage

@thexenoist3493

6 ай бұрын

@@HistoricalWeapons I was meaning the lamellar armour.

@dongf2618

6 ай бұрын

@@thexenoist3493 kzread.info/dash/bejne/mIOumceSc6rUhrw.htmlsi=4QoXIFcLgmWCmwOt This is a Song dynasty lamellar armor replica

@siberiaacoustic

6 ай бұрын

@@thexenoist3493I think the craftsman underestimated his belly size

@TemujinKhan

6 ай бұрын

@@siberiaacousticlmao

Yes

If you shot the bow by hand with comparable weight arrow is it faster? i.e. how much efficiency is lost by friction against the tiller?

@phawang37

6 ай бұрын

He made a video about it last year only 3-7 percent efficiency loss depending on lube

@anachronisticon

6 ай бұрын

@@phawang37 Outstanding. Many thanks.

So happy i found your channel and even more happy to find out I have so much to binge.

Как устроен спусковой механизм?

@aoe2_elo037

6 ай бұрын

Google Chinese crossbow trigger

@blackcatpack

5 ай бұрын

It is similar like ak’s hammer sear but you will have to cock it manually.

Love the bow

awesome video as always man

its hard to belive someone draw that monster on horse back and shoot. i saw some mentions english longbowman riding battle on horse back but dismount for shooting like dragoons did. were they really horse archer or dragoon unit ?

@user-lu6hp8nx1j

6 ай бұрын

They could be both. Spanning a larger crossbow on horseback (without spanning tool) requires the rider to switch to sidesaddle style/"ride aside", span the crossbow using both his hands and legs, then change back to normal riding. There is an ancient figurine (I think dug out from somewhere in Tarim Basin) showing a mounted crossbowman spanning his crossbow this way.

@ayhanfedai5013

6 ай бұрын

@@user-lu6hp8nx1j that sounds really cool and a job for verry few elite soldiers unlike peasnt conscripts

@b.h.abbott-motley2427

6 ай бұрын

Some historical mounted archers used bows stronger than 119@24". That's a rather high draw weight for cavalry bow, but quite plausible.

@langdavid6852

6 ай бұрын

@@b.h.abbott-motley2427or just use like dragoons

@mattisbette3932

13 күн бұрын

English longbow men had to dismounted because the bows where so big that they couldn't easily be drawn on horseback. The reason why mongols, turks and other nations where could become great horse archers was because their bows where a lot more evolved being made of sinew and horn as well as wood and curved in order to get high draw weights on short bows.

Great video as always man

Would Song dynasty cavalry typically dismount to rapidly load their crossbows, as I imagine loading one while mounted and controlling a horse would be very difficult?

@HistoricalWeapons

6 ай бұрын

I think this weight is perfectly suitable mounted of 120lbs. Over 200lbs and u need a spanking device or dismount

@HistoricalWeapons

6 ай бұрын

Spanning

@WagesOfDestruction

6 ай бұрын

@@HistoricalWeapons While mounted seems a good ask, is this practical. You load a crossbow with one hand while controlling your mount with the other. You need to slot a bolt into the groove. Then, hook one of your boots into the crossbow ring, you then rotate your torso to engage the windlass mechanism. You draw back the cable and lock it into place ALL WITH ONE HAND. Plus how do you keep the bolt in place?

@b.h.abbott-motley2427

6 ай бұрын

@@WagesOfDestruction Lots of cavalry across the world used weapons that require both hands, such as the bow. European mounted crossbowers employed various spanning devices, at least some of which require both hands.

@WagesOfDestruction

6 ай бұрын

@@b.h.abbott-motley2427A bow needs both hands and mounted its doable. Now such a crossbow needs two hands and a foot. You need to put a bolt in. To do that you need one hand to hold the crossbow, the other hand to load the bolt and then you need a foot on the ring and push with your foot till you load it. That is a big ask on a mounted horse.

Cool video however I have one question concerning the crossbows utility. Do you know how cavalry would keep the bolt from falling out of its position during a gallop or trott? Thx in advance!

@HistoricalWeapons

6 ай бұрын

the horse is designed to transport the crossbow and shoot on a walk or still. also bolt holders can be used which is a simple bamboo slat nailed

@brisseden2581

6 ай бұрын

@@HistoricalWeapons thx that was very helpful!

I noticed that the bow lens forward (i.e. lifting the string) when shot - is that just because the 'prod' is designed as a hand-bow, or is that an intentional part of the design?

@dongf2618

6 ай бұрын

its because of the momentum. After the bow string snaps there are some extra energy and that energy rotates the bow. If he could tighten the cords holding the prod to the stock, then the rotation might be smaller.

@markdennis254

6 ай бұрын

no harm for roatation@@dongf2618

Where can I get a crossbow converter like that???

Would rider have to stop to reload such a crossbow or is some mobile reloading possible?

@HistoricalWeapons

6 ай бұрын

Id imagine so but they would retreat at a distance similar to how mounted javelinmen do it. Id imagine mounted crossbowmen are used against heavy melee infantry and not against horse archers or archers

I see you put your heart and soul to this project but a katana weeb video will get much more likes

@jackster2352

5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately so

@SeaSerpentLevi

4 ай бұрын

Dont worry, wukong will change that The age of wuxia weebs rennaisance is about to begin 😂

@jackster2352

4 ай бұрын

@@SeaSerpentLevithe hell is a wuxia weeb?

cool stuff

tanged Bolts instead of socketed which is better man

@skyrimJava

6 ай бұрын

Tanged is stronger and heavier

The longer stroke makes this seem almost equivalent to a european metal crossbow of 300lbs or more.

@dongf2618

4 ай бұрын

A1000lbs draw-weight steel prod crossbow made by Tod's Workshop shot a 96g bolt delivered 110J of kinetic energy. This 120lbs draw-weight Song dynasty crossbow with 57g bolt delivered 108J, 113J, and 112J of energy Other tests I have seen: A 136lb Turkish composite bow shooting a 33.8g arrow delivered 123J, 69g arrow delivered 141.5J, and 100g arrow delivered 151.6J. A 150lbs English longbow with a 53.6g arrow delivered 111J, and a 95.9g arrow delivered 134J Conclusion, a 1000lbs draw-weight European steel-prod crossbow is in the same class but is slightly less efficient to a 150lb draw-weight English longbow, a 136lb draw-weight Turkish composite bow, or a 120lb draw-weight Chinese crossbow. Assuming the ratio is linear, a 300lbs draw-weight European steel-prod crossbow would be equivalent to about 50lb English longbow.

these things are just 175 pound and shoot quicker and faster than heavy medieval European crossbows. A comparison is really needed.

That handle design blows my mind with its modern look.

Man I wanna see the full size one, And I definitely want one!

The trigger design is real ergonomically and smart

Awesome

Amazing!!

Great video! Given the length of draw, am I correct in assuming that enemy arrows could be fired back in emergencies?

@HistoricalWeapons

Ай бұрын

Arrow weight is too low for this draw weight to safely shoot. But you can use a lighter crossbow for that specific task

@HistoricalWeapons

Ай бұрын

If arrow weight is heavy enough yea

Probably used like dragoons

@qr1-tg1wi

6 ай бұрын

Dragon cav crossbows

Hey man you based in victoria? Been watching you for a while and i recognize that archery range!

@HistoricalWeapons

4 ай бұрын

Yeah we should meet up message me Facebook.com/jack931

Nice

Can you test it on a plate armor and compare the result with the western crossbow? I'm curious what crossbow is stronger and can they penetrate these armors?

@dongf2618

4 ай бұрын

It won't be able to penetrate most plate armor; however, the bolts could go through the eye-slots, which I have seen several tests were able to do that. According to the book, "The Knight and the Blast Furnance," steel plates with 0.15% carbon requires this much energy to penetrate. Thickness Arrow Bullet 1mm 55J 450J 2mm 175J 750J 3mm 300J 1700J 4mm 475J 3400J A 1000lbs draw-weight-steel-prod crossbow made by Tod's Workshop shot a 96g bolt delivered 110J of kinetic energy. This 120lbs draw-weight Song dynasty crossbow with 57g bolt delivered 108J, 113J, and 112J of energy. The Chinese median infantry crossbows usually ranged between 270lbs to about 390lbs in draw-weight. However, if you are talking about 1200lbs draw-weigh European crossbow with a composite prod, they could deliver up to about 400J of kinetic energy (tests found on KZread). The Chinese also had crossbows that had over 2600lbs draw-weight, discovered in the inventory tags of an armoury in Han dynasty, about 2000 years ago, some even required 6-8 oxens to be able pull the string back (unknown draw-weight) and were used against enemy towers, buildings, and warships. 5 giant crossbow triggers measuring 39cm long were found in Jiangsu province in China, along with a large crossbow bolt head, but there is no record of these crossbows' draw-weight. Conclusion, a 1000lbs draw-weight European steel-prod crossbow is in the same class but is slightly less efficient compared to a 120lb Chinese crossbow. A composite-prod European crossbow would make a better comparison, but the Chinese crossbows would be more efficient pound-for-pound in draw-weight because of the longer powerstroke due to the pistol crossbow trigger design. Hope that answers your question.

how did they draw something like that while riding a horse?

@langdavid6852

6 ай бұрын

Probably like mounted dragoons with muskets

@hiimryan2388

6 ай бұрын

People did things like stringing bows while on horseback so this really isn’t the hardest to imagine

Can you show me how you make that crossbow stock.

Looks like this would be from fallout or an apocalypse game

How is it done historically as crossbow horse archer? Dont see how they can draw the crossbow while riding

@HistoricalWeapons

Ай бұрын

Just posted a video

哇，宋代弩科技發達有騎弩的！？！？

@HistoricalWeapons

Ай бұрын

Even Han dynasty had illustrations depicting horseback crossbow

❤

How can I get one of those?

@legntt3488

6 ай бұрын

He makes them

They did have some sort of pistol grip for their crossbow?

@blackcatpack

5 ай бұрын

Crossbows founded during Qin-Han era were having iron sights as well.

@cyka7705

5 ай бұрын

@@blackcatpack well yeah European also already thought and made crossbow more or less few hundreds year after the Chinese did. But they never really thought on the pistol grip

@blackcatpack

4 ай бұрын

@@cyka7705cause the trigger mechanism is different, Chinese crossbow trigger is more likely compared to the modern firearm trigger so they need a pistol grip to be able to pull it. I remember the European crossbow trigger was a lever under the frame.

wow

That’s more than a 120 joules

@qr1-tg1wi

6 ай бұрын

200 joules for crossbows

😮

Underrated

Wow

algorithm

Lol you used to not believe this thing and just think the picture as depicting parade/ceremonial role. What a change of mind you got!

@HistoricalWeapons

6 ай бұрын

Think u got me mixed up. We have artwork of mounted Chinese crossbowmen shooting their crossbows at cavalry btw

Love the MR bow on the stock. Nice Video.

🗿👍

😢

0:48 what was that, he film this in the Donbass? lol

@HistoricalWeapons

Ай бұрын

Gun range

コバショー英語ペラペラやん！

@legntt3488

6 ай бұрын

American

@rh4658

6 ай бұрын

@@legntt3488 Yeah I know cuz he is an american version of コバショー

Jack adjust the music more delayed so it removes silent pause😊

@lichenggong1248

6 ай бұрын

Wdym

@zhangtony3372

6 ай бұрын

@@lichenggong1248I think he fixed it

in the European chronicles of the time of the use of crossbows, it is claimed that their riders could not reload and crossbows in the hands of the riders were a one-shot weapon. The peoples who used bows and crossbows armed horsemen with bows. and infantry with crossbows. Also, what sources do you rely on when making a crossbow of this size? Probably fakes of the 19th and 20th centuries? What you showed is not a crossbow, but a bow, and pulling this bow with a tension of 144 pounds by the way of stretching your back, you risk getting an intervertebral hernia, so don't risk your health

@b.h.abbott-motley2427

6 ай бұрын

What chronicles claim mounted crossbowers couldn't reload? According to David Potter's Renaissance France at War, French military regulations from 1515 suggest that mounted crossbowers could span their bows while in the saddle. In the 1590s, after crossbows had mostly faded as a military weapon in Europe, Sir John Smythe wanted mounted archers & crossbowers. He wrote that the crossbowers shot & spanned from the saddle, using a goat's-foot lever. Chinese crossbows of the design tested here appear in various imagines & archaeological finds. They got much heaver than this one, but folks still spanned them.

@cool06alt

6 ай бұрын

"What you showed is not a crossbow, but a bow, and pulling this bow with a tension of 144 pounds by the way of stretching your back, you risk getting an intervertebral hernia," You do realize that in Gym, we got legpress motion similiar to that drawing technique? Don't invent stuff.

@ianuser9650

6 ай бұрын

Pistol crossbows can easily be shot and reloaded on horseback

@ianuser9650

6 ай бұрын

@@b.h.abbott-motley2427you can’t span a long powrstroke Chinese crossbow without some huge lever

@cool06alt

6 ай бұрын

@@ianuser9650 There's no such thing as lever being used in Chinese Crossbow. That's very ahistorical stuff! Meanwhile someone using their legs as in legpres position is very historical thing!

Beautiful Chinese crossbow. Black laquered stock presumably keeps the water out. Thanks Jack.

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