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  • @TastidiousYabbie
    @TastidiousYabbieАй бұрын

    I love how in game 1 it's not even scan's choice in how he wants to lose, it's how ruin wants to win.

  • @schwanimal

    @schwanimal

    Ай бұрын

    im curious how it would've played out of scan got a bunker up, especially since artie said early as the game was developing that he thought one would be coming. maybe near the assimilators it would've made a diff?

  • @lanirus7515

    @lanirus7515

    Ай бұрын

    ​@michaelschwan5243 if that supply depot micro didn't work I'm not sure even a bunker woulda saved him map just fucked 😂😂

  • @scipio764

    @scipio764

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@schwanimalIn order to hold that, not only do you need a bunker, but you also need to put a depo right in front of the Bunker to make the Zealot walk around.

  • @rocksparadox

    @rocksparadox

    Ай бұрын

    @@schwanimal A blind wall off with racks, bunker behind it and engi-bay would be ''least micro intensive'' but it's not beneficial in any other way so it's rarely used.

  • @Shoveltime198
    @Shoveltime198Ай бұрын

    Arty is so humble when he is right.

  • @gyozanomics

    @gyozanomics

    Ай бұрын

    hes not even right though the counter to proxy 2 gate is only 2 rax expand into standard game if youre a gigachad maybe an all-in, being the gamble that it is, requires an all-in in response sometimes, instead of just outplaying the other guy and transitioning into a normal game. what RT wants is for bluffing to not count when he actually had a good hand, which is dumb. "nooo i made 2 rax that means i get to heccin transition to midgame no matter what"

  • @AtrumRes
    @AtrumResАй бұрын

    Two gate on troy makes me physically ill.

  • @yureimura
    @yureimuraАй бұрын

    Discovered this channel today and seeing SC1 is still played makes me so happy! Is this the remastered one?

  • @ArtosisCasts

    @ArtosisCasts

    Ай бұрын

    Yes, everyone plays remastered. Welcome!

  • @Mathos93

    @Mathos93

    Ай бұрын

    Welcome :D

  • @dominiquejohnson5234

    @dominiquejohnson5234

    Ай бұрын

    What else would we play? SC1 was the pinnacle of RTS, SC2 and others are playable but its been all downhill since in my honest opinion. They really should find those old timers who created this and study their process if anyone hopes to surpass it, cause nothing has since.

  • @gyozanomics

    @gyozanomics

    Ай бұрын

    @@ArtosisCasts This is very sweet you do us all a service o7

  • @ch420newsteam

    @ch420newsteam

    22 сағат бұрын

    @@ArtosisCasts why play an inferior version according to the pros? when it launched the Pros were completely against. I remember vividly as that was right before the last casters I knew of stopped uploading and I moved to watching Legendoftotalwar and others for Rimworld.

  • @TheRogueCobra
    @TheRogueCobraАй бұрын

    "If anyone thinks I'm wrong at all, let me know in the comments and I'll delete the KZread channel, ok?" I guess if I ever show up and the channel's randomly gone, I know what happened haha.

  • @user-knhgvg454g

    @user-knhgvg454g

    Ай бұрын

    ROFL

  • @FlymanMS
    @FlymanMSАй бұрын

    18:32 I can replay this moment forever. Second game is what justice looks like.

  • @mrnoid9949
    @mrnoid9949Ай бұрын

    - The cannons be ready to fire capn'! - Are...

  • @BenjaminGlatt

    @BenjaminGlatt

    Ай бұрын

    Cap'n (the apostrophe replaces the first missing letter in the word or contraction).

  • @bergensee6085

    @bergensee6085

    Ай бұрын

    is it supposed to be are because of pirate?@@BenjaminGlatt

  • @BenjaminGlatt

    @BenjaminGlatt

    Ай бұрын

    @@bergensee6085 yeah, probably. But, you see, I was too stupid to get the joke.

  • @realGBx64

    @realGBx64

    Ай бұрын

    @@BenjaminGlattcapn’t

  • @rafaelzamora1635
    @rafaelzamora1635Ай бұрын

    What a beautiful move from Scan, a real piece of art

  • @r4nowo
    @r4nowoАй бұрын

    To the guy who figured out a counter but doesn't want the channel deleted: Thank you for your silence, you have my respect. Alternatively, theres just no counter.

  • @AdrianOnEarth

    @AdrianOnEarth

    Ай бұрын

    Ya there is: nukes.

  • @zs3000
    @zs3000Ай бұрын

    Can't even come to the cast channel without insults now.

  • @detrockcity3
    @detrockcity3Ай бұрын

    This might be your greatest title yet.

  • @2slick4u.
    @2slick4u.Ай бұрын

    Ruin vs Scan !! I havent watched the video yet but seems promising

  • @darkranger116
    @darkranger116Ай бұрын

    the obvious counter for 2 gate is going into the editor and changing zealots cost to 150 :D

  • @Frenchkid3000
    @Frenchkid300027 күн бұрын

    game 2 was so gooood, you hyped it so nerdly it was great :) ! love your enthusiasm for scan. You can really tell theyre both close in skill with how well they played. artosiscasts 5ever

  • @karpai5427
    @karpai5427Ай бұрын

    Can you build a bunker right below the Assimilator on Troy? Is that good?

  • @jonathaniszorro
    @jonathaniszorroАй бұрын

    15:03 RT making his own dono noises

  • @ferencdojcsak8576
    @ferencdojcsak8576Ай бұрын

    I don't understand the fuss about 2-Gate Troy. If Terrans were smart, they would immediatly realize how easy is to deal with it: First you kill the assimilators with SCVs; I mean after dealing with so many gas steals, they should be pretty efficiet at it. Then, you rush Ghosts, they fit through. You go mass Scans, mass cloack, kill all observers and nuke the Cannons. Observers are small units, so Ghots with their concussive damage type are basically hard counters for Observers. They can also Lockdown Observers, in which case they cannot reveal Ghosts anymore. Plus, as a surprise move, you can nuke the two assimilators in the enemy's base. They won't see it coming with all the Observers in Lockdown/dead. No wonder stupid Terran has issues without these simple steps... On a serios note, absolutely bonkers series, love me a nice Ruin vs Scan on a sunny sunday.

  • @Shield_Battery

    @Shield_Battery

    Ай бұрын

    Don't forget! Ghosts and Observers *_HAVE SAME UNIT COST!_* So all that energy keeps adding value! Toss Vessel with in emp with nukes all buildings die with single hit! can you ever lose?!?!?! This match was dope. every set was a gem, easily could have played in ASL.

  • @marclake2802

    @marclake2802

    Ай бұрын

    Great strategy but if I could suggest a cherry in the form of an optical flare

  • @alexfriedman2152

    @alexfriedman2152

    Ай бұрын

    Don't forget optical flare for observers. Totally worth it. Don't forget mass battle cruisers. Not like they lose to mass goon alone or anything and get stasised.

  • @goomshill

    @goomshill

    Ай бұрын

    I wish ghost nuke rush was a serious option for terran in any matchup since every TvZ just comes down to "I'll move out just to force him to make some sunks and then become totally unkillable with lurkers / sunks under dark swarm", which outraces irradiate,, outfights bats, yet would theoretically would die to nukes if they actually worked. If.

  • @alexfriedman2152

    @alexfriedman2152

    Ай бұрын

    @@goomshill It's technically possible in all matchups but pretty stupid in TvP because of observers and cannons evrywhere byt he time ghosts are ready.

  • @ComplexPortal
    @ComplexPortalАй бұрын

    Man, I would love to see you and scan hang out again to play some sc1. Those collab videos you did with him was hilarious.

  • @Shield_Battery

    @Shield_Battery

    Ай бұрын

    Ya, rough that they're literally a world apart now =( Scan had the same salt on the inside as RT. Only difference is that he's better player, so he can smile at stupid shit he beats.

  • @janpaulbusch1437
    @janpaulbusch1437Ай бұрын

    13:04 I have never seen a vulture move like this. Smooth.

  • @lukebomber
    @lukebomberАй бұрын

    Artosis has very clearly chosen a side but I don't think he is wrong either.

  • @lukebomber

    @lukebomber

    Ай бұрын

    @@HallsteinI I mean with regards to Troy

  • @Ziegfried82

    @Ziegfried82

    Ай бұрын

    @@lukebomber he's dead on about that map, it's awful. Certainly in the running for one of the worst maps in the past what, decade?

  • @reishiki8682

    @reishiki8682

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@Ziegfried82Lol, reminds me of that ASL season where Flash went random and Afreeca literally put outright bad maps for Terran in the map pool just to make him lose that specific season.

  • @MeteoImpact3374
    @MeteoImpact3374Ай бұрын

    Well, I'm glad that Artosis finally got closure on that Troy game. All of ASL the pros refused to take the free win, so it's nice for everyone (except Scan) to finally get to see what the hell he was on about.

  • @Doom43211
    @Doom43211Ай бұрын

    The duration of the video worried me, I wasn't prepared for it to be a 2 part thing and though Ruin was gonna clean my boy up with a bunch of zealot based rushes after that first game lol

  • @sti8116
    @sti8116Ай бұрын

    Artosis so happy that someone finally two gated on that map. And yes he is right.

  • @zombieassaultman
    @zombieassaultmanАй бұрын

    “There’s something very funny about pirates.” - Artosis

  • @FlymanMS

    @FlymanMS

    Ай бұрын

    More like "Argggh"tosis

  • @Shield_Battery

    @Shield_Battery

    Ай бұрын

    HAr_RTosis

  • @UpkeepLLC
    @UpkeepLLCАй бұрын

    Awesome cast Arty!!

  • @fpb0602
    @fpb0602Ай бұрын

    Thank you for the game.

  • @lagmaster102
    @lagmaster102Ай бұрын

    hi artosis thanks so much for the cnsl casts love them so far, is there a good place to watch the recent asl games in english?

  • @Oncus2
    @Oncus2Ай бұрын

    What about making the bunker near the assimilator? Wouldn't it defend the assimilators and block zealots from coming in?

  • @Shield_Battery

    @Shield_Battery

    Ай бұрын

    mmmm you should watch video and figure out when exactly that bunker could safely make, then tell us again about this idea.

  • @addlemm44

    @addlemm44

    Ай бұрын

    @@Shield_Battery ok, I did that. Scan finished the 2nd barracks just before the zealot starts hitting the assimilator. How about bunker, then second barracks

  • @ericjepson3765

    @ericjepson3765

    Ай бұрын

    Instead of the 2nd barracks

  • @NIN2277
    @NIN227721 күн бұрын

    The game one dilemma is actually really interesting; I'd genuinely love to see pros practice trying to beat it and see if they can come up with a solution (i.e. T pro practices against a P pro for a few games, both knowing P will go proxy two gate every time). I was hoping we'd see more of this scenario during ASL for precisely that reason, but aside from one game (which P won ofc) I don't think any of the Protoss pros even went for proxy two gate. If Scan had to replay that game again, for example, I wonder what he'd do differently to increase his odds of winning.

  • @ericjepson3765
    @ericjepson3765Ай бұрын

    20:30. two vollies from 4 goliaths kills a shuttle you silly goose.

  • @penkatadrums
    @penkatadrumsАй бұрын

    Hey guys nice to meet you. I haven't played forever but in the beginning of the first game when the zealot attacked the assimilator couldn't scan build a bunker between the assimilators do both protect and block the path? I am talking about 4:55 minute mark exactly

  • @ethansterling4317
    @ethansterling4317Ай бұрын

    Seems like Terran has to hold the gap between the assimilators. If Protoss can run zealots through, then the marines have to kite away into the main, which gives the Protoss space to kill the assimilators. Is there a zealot-tight configuration with barracks or depot or bunker against the assimilators? If so, you're done. Just hide behind your wall shooting zealots. If that doesn't exist, then you could still: - Build a non-tight wall at the gap so that zealots can only come through one at a time. Then plug that hole with an SCV and a couple more SCVs to heal it. - Or build a bunker at the assimilators so that your marines can't be bullied away. (You'll still have to split off some marines to fight zealots that go for your mineral line, though.) - Or jam an excessive number of SCVs into the gap (5+) to clog up the zealots. My intuition is that if you stabilize the early part of the rush (first 1-3 zealots) and keep the gap clogged without losing marines, then your marines' focused DPS will quickly outscale the zealots in the choke.

  • @dudeidontcare6887

    @dudeidontcare6887

    Ай бұрын

    Nerd

  • @ericjepson3765

    @ericjepson3765

    Ай бұрын

    This is my idea too. If you can get enough time to float a factory out of the main to produce vultures the game is over. Vultures melt zealots and probes, send the first 2 to the protoss base and the rest will clean up the zealots. GG.

  • @dzstoyanov

    @dzstoyanov

    Ай бұрын

    @@ericjepson3765by the time you can build and float a factory out, toss will have cannons in their main and natural

  • @ericjepson3765

    @ericjepson3765

    Ай бұрын

    @dzstoyanov I don't think so. Pretty sure they're all in w the 2 gate. I'll have to go back and watch a couple but does protoss even make a forge. He had plenty of time in this game and no cannons so I guess not...

  • @dzstoyanov

    @dzstoyanov

    Ай бұрын

    @@ericjepson3765 of course he makes a forge. 7:39

  • @alextelegin6467
    @alextelegin646722 күн бұрын

    I like how Scan advances in the second push a bit slower and takes 3-d and 4-th behind the attack

  • @cl8804
    @cl8804Ай бұрын

    10:30 oh, so it's a massively terran-favored map thanks

  • @swampybwoy
    @swampybwoyАй бұрын

    Gonna need a few rounds of chemo after that first game

  • @joebazooks
    @joebazooksАй бұрын

    perhaps the only way to counter the proxy 2 gate is to build a bunker completely blocking the entrance between the assimilators b4 either of the assimilators are killed and then destroy the bunker as the game progresses?

  • @reishiki8682

    @reishiki8682

    Ай бұрын

    That all comes down to timing. If it's a 2-Gate the bunker will be late and the zealots will just ignore the bunker unless if you full wall the ramp and this also drags your eco down since you're constantly producing marines for defense, instead of getting your Factories+add-on up sooner.

  • @emoryminter4827
    @emoryminter4827Ай бұрын

    On the bottom positions, is there a possibility to build a barracks on top of the, in this case, leftmost assimilator? Does the marine spawn between?

  • @CarbonylDotA
    @CarbonylDotAАй бұрын

    Could Terran wall either in front of or behind the assimilators to prevent the zealots from getting in or killing the assimilators? (I don’t play so I don’t actually know).

  • @ericjepson3765
    @ericjepson3765Ай бұрын

    Hey Artosis, do you think a bunker would work by the assimilators? I don't play Terran but can you wall off between them? I'd try that and maybe build the factory in the main and float it out. Even get sneaky and float it to the side and proxy vultures while scvs repair the bunker. Vultures are the best unit in the game against zealots and probes. Why not? Thanks as always!

  • @Fanelan053
    @Fanelan053Ай бұрын

    I'm no pro.. but in game 1 What would you be able to pull a CVS and get a bunker up into the natural? Then produce factory units out of the natural?

  • @PuntTheDog
    @PuntTheDogАй бұрын

    lmao i love the spicy silly artosis in this vid

  • @guillaumerivest2244
    @guillaumerivest2244Ай бұрын

    Ok, first off... AMAZING GAMES AND CAST!!! But I wanted to mention something, might sound dumb but oh well. I think it's super cool the other games are in a "next video". Because when I saw how long that video was I was like.. damn that's a 3-0 right? So anyway, keeps the suspense alive! :D

  • @johnkalyvas4838
    @johnkalyvas483811 күн бұрын

    They should add a blatantly terran favored map as well. The naturals should be fully wallable with just depot + barracks, and the 3rd/4rd/5th bases should have a tiny choke as their entrance, but the bases themselves should be in range of siege tanks positioned outside the chokepoint. Add lots of space for turrets in the minerals lines, and maybe a few neutral missile turrets to stave off mutas and shuttles in the early game, while terran is short on anti-air.

  • @anthonyc719
    @anthonyc719Ай бұрын

    Damn what an amazing round of 8. And that’s not saying that the round of 16 wasn’t stellar as well. This is way more entertaining than ASL so far! 🔥

  • @joelarcher2691
    @joelarcher2691Ай бұрын

    Amazing micro at 18:07 i cant believe he got out of that spot. Wp both players great games

  • @detrockcity3
    @detrockcity3Ай бұрын

    "The pros are stupid." - Artosis

  • @monolith94
    @monolith94Ай бұрын

    That screenshot is tight

  • @calumphilip9257
    @calumphilip9257Ай бұрын

    I only watch brood war and don't play at all, so I have absolutely no idea if it's an option, but to try and hold the Troy 2 gate, could you rush to make a bunker blocking the assimilators and mass repair against the zealots with 2 tax?

  • @warherozer
    @warherozerАй бұрын

    in the first game , why if one of assimilators is destroyed and then factory unit can't get out? I'm newbie here. I don't get it why he focused on attacking a assimilator.

  • @Ziegfried82

    @Ziegfried82

    Ай бұрын

    Yep factory units can't get out if one of those die. It's why the map is downright bad at least for competitive pro matches. As a goofy fun map it's fine I suppose, like an island map.

  • @bsxzqq1281
    @bsxzqq1281Ай бұрын

    maybe 8 rax into additional one?

  • @andrerossel8394
    @andrerossel8394Ай бұрын

    Two barracks on the natural covering the assimilators. It pretty much what terran do all times anyway. That counters two proxy gate.

  • @sohkrazed
    @sohkrazedАй бұрын

    I genuinely wonder if you scout it early could you not pull the boys to kill the pylon similar to sc2? Or do you just not start enough workers for this to be viable?

  • @guyza123

    @guyza123

    27 күн бұрын

    No, they would have to run too far, and Protoss can just make another one

  • @DangerDucking
    @DangerDuckingАй бұрын

    couldn't you bunker the assimilator area and then go vult?

  • @yyyy-uv3po
    @yyyy-uv3po23 күн бұрын

    Why no bunker next to the Assimilators though?

  • @MajinSaha
    @MajinSahaАй бұрын

    8:43 bunker near the assimilator?

  • @kulls13
    @kulls13Ай бұрын

    Ruin looks like Scan from a parallel universe where he picks Protoss and parts his hair the other way lol

  • @BarringtonDrive
    @BarringtonDriveАй бұрын

    Would maybe building your simcity rax in front if the assimilator to partially building block off those work? Doubting, but...

  • @watisthiseven
    @watisthisevenАй бұрын

    0:00 twins?? down the same haircut, pose, style of glasses

  • @inquisitorsquish5422

    @inquisitorsquish5422

    Ай бұрын

    I think it is the same guy

  • @anthonykneipiii4562
    @anthonykneipiii4562Ай бұрын

    I’m unfamiliar with this map unfortunately, but does a barracks fit between the edge of the neutral assimilator and the ramp? If so, maybe that could be the wall? I assume it mustn’t or it would have been done, but is putting up a supply depot THAT detrimental? Otherwise, why is this map even allowed if it’s SOOO one-sided?

  • @cl8804
    @cl8804Ай бұрын

    PROOOOOOOTOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSS

  • @M1999MTM
    @M1999MTM26 күн бұрын

    As a terran that 2nd game was divine

  • @foberdud7576
    @foberdud7576Ай бұрын

    If Terran sacs extractors to nullify zealot pressure and tries to expand are they behind still?

  • @Shield_Battery

    @Shield_Battery

    Ай бұрын

    where do you build factories now that you cannot use main?

  • @Ziegfried82

    @Ziegfried82

    Ай бұрын

    I mean what are you gonna do? Go wraiths against protoss?! It takes way too much APM to dropship everything out while your opponent is just rallying.

  • @alexfriedman2152

    @alexfriedman2152

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah, no. Then you're 1 base vs 2 base. Speed shuttles own dropships. The Toss would own

  • @Fireshrine
    @FireshrineАй бұрын

    I skimmed some of the comments-aside from variation of creating a wall and using a bunker to try and fend off the zealots, I'd be curious if there's some way to actually try and block the proxy gateways from going up in the first place. A bit of an out-of-the-box idea perhaps, but like, if you know 2gate proxy is sooooo strong, and you know it's probably going to be center, could 1-2 SCVs sent to the middle with good timing make it so that the probe can't put the gateways down without sending another probe or two to cover? And if they can't put the gateway down in any kind of timely fashion, even if the Terran's income is terrible, they *should* be able to at least avoid an immediate loss against the zealots, no? Obviously this would fail greatly if the probe decides to proxy off-center, and leave the Terran at a significant disadvantage from lost mining time if the Protoss just 2gates at home (which should still be pretty strong), but if your ONLY goal is to stop proxy 2gate, it's not like the entire center is buildable terrain, right? so I feel like it's theoretically possible to mess with the warping in of the buildings. and if you now force them to respect that option, then maybe Protoss decides to only do 2gate in base, and that extra X seconds helps the Terran defend normally with a 2rax, or something. Turning it from "unwinnable" to "maybe if you get lucky AND outplay them you have a 20% chance", haha. I dunno tho, not a Terran player or a StarCraft expert, but I think as a fan it can be fun to think about theoreticals even if they aren't/end up not actually practical-it might not be often, but I think a number of modern ideas probably started off as theoreticals, albeit backed by actual skill and a foundation of fundamental knowledge.

  • @CheekyPandaCub
    @CheekyPandaCub14 күн бұрын

    could you theoretically go blind 8 racks on Troy into a fast factory to try and kill the protoss gas as a counter?

  • @Brasbu
    @BrasbuАй бұрын

    looking forward to whatever that thumbnail is a reference to lmao

  • @Brasbu

    @Brasbu

    Ай бұрын

    Thank You Troy, Very Cool!

  • @amai2307

    @amai2307

    Ай бұрын

    Obviously it is refrence to tosis rage and hatred. Apparently it has grown so high that it overflows into cast channel.

  • @SchemingGoldberg

    @SchemingGoldberg

    Ай бұрын

    @@amai2307 Rage didn't make!

  • @seigrispark6158
    @seigrispark6158Ай бұрын

    the picture of scan and ruin makes it look like they're twins lol

  • @avinotion
    @avinotionАй бұрын

    Can you build a moot refinery on that gas? The one affecting game no.1

  • @dominiquejohnson5234
    @dominiquejohnson5234Ай бұрын

    Concerning Game 1 early game for the love of God make a bunker. He had time when the first 3 zealots were in his base and zealots had to leave the main base entirely due to marines in the barracks sim city to make a bunker near the assimilators. If he had done that and kept 2 scv's nearby to repair, terran keeps both assimilators at his entrance, doesnt lose marines, covers his production facilities and continues marine production and can pop marines out of bunker if zealots run by to cover mineral line at main base if they attack scv's mineral line. Attack held. Exciting gameplay, joy to watch high level starcraft like this, Great casting, awesome replay.

  • @mottiengnhat8921

    @mottiengnhat8921

    Ай бұрын

    the problem is where you're going to make the bunker, if you make it at natural zealot will just run by, if you make it inside they will all in and kill the assimilator and no amount of bunker can stop it, the bunker is only good at stopping the zealots from reaching your scv line, but all they have to do is destroying the assimilators and you'll lose eventually, once your main become an island the game is over, it's also 90% win for Protoss even with only one assimilator killed

  • @benjamincarmona3703

    @benjamincarmona3703

    Ай бұрын

    You cant target with the marines in the bunker. In that case you just lose 2 potential marines and protoss only needs to have enough zealots to kill the assimilator while tanking the spread out damage. There was no way scan could have won, unless ruin fucks his game HARD (which wont happen to a player at his level). The objective of ruin was never attacking the actual base, but destroying the assimilators, that could only be prevented if you had the natural held (which is basically impossible with how fast the zealots came in) or you had a massive amount of marines, which was the idea behind what scan was doing.

  • @Shield_Battery

    @Shield_Battery

    Ай бұрын

    Adding to ​ @mottiengnhat8921 : cannot repair bunkers until they make. please count out the 19 seconds when a bunker can complete and scv can't just get bopped midbuild. but also, you're talking like this is some all in, and not a pressure build.​ So I'll entertain that thought a little, what's the response for a pylon placed at ramp beyond your bunker range for cannon/shield batteries? or for softer transition, how are you going to stop ranged goons? reality is, protoss only needs to kill 1 assimilator to stop terran mech from passing through. There's no way to stop them when you get 1st scout, proxygated. Just 1st zealot brought the assim down to 1/4 hp before coming back with 3 then slipping inside to begin harass. even if he just used only those three zealots, the assim is dead if he just dived on it ignoring the bunker. 5 marines can't kill fast enough, become even worse if you load in bunker and they split targeting.

  • @JOE0671
    @JOE0671Ай бұрын

    can terran build refineries on those geysers to open up the door again?

  • @addlemm44

    @addlemm44

    Ай бұрын

    I've heard arty say nothing can be built on the geysers.

  • @Ziegfried82

    @Ziegfried82

    Ай бұрын

    Nope, it's just bad map design when all is said and done.

  • @meguemil8542
    @meguemil8542Ай бұрын

    I'm rooting for Ruin, but in that second game Scan dominated. Masterful play, great build. Thanks for the cast, Artosis! So excited for this round of 8!!

  • @alexfriedman2152

    @alexfriedman2152

    Ай бұрын

    He totally cut corners though. If it was any kind of DT build he would instantly die. 3rd Fact and armory before any detection.

  • @c3n0dr33v

    @c3n0dr33v

    Ай бұрын

    He must have seen the obs, so it can't be a quick DT build

  • @alexfriedman2152

    @alexfriedman2152

    Ай бұрын

    @@c3n0dr33v Well he saw the Robo building built with the Scouting SCV, but Toss could still build Citadel and go DT, or cancel Robo for DT by the time the push comes.

  • @fluffydestroyer8336
    @fluffydestroyer8336Ай бұрын

    personally I would've fended off that rush by building ghosts and locking down the zealots, idk why scan didn't think of that

  • @CR-un7wl
    @CR-un7wlАй бұрын

    Hey dude, I'm nowhere near pro level, but I tested, and you can do a pretty nice wall with a barracks and depot behind the troy assimilators. It's 1 scv or marine tight, looks to be about the only way to defend against the proxy gateway zealots. No real cost other than placing the depot up there, rax can lift after.

  • @user-knhgvg454g
    @user-knhgvg454gАй бұрын

    ROFL 🤣 when artosy said he gunna delete the youtube channel i died

  • @shahbazshaikh9169
    @shahbazshaikh9169Ай бұрын

    way to counter 2 gate harder is to go for a cheese build yourself, notice when the pylon and gates are going up, and then prep sim city then this cheese demands more cheese also such a borked map shouldn't be in the pool IMO

  • @Ziegfried82

    @Ziegfried82

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah it's so bad it may as well be an island map. It is the kind of thing I expect for goofing around not competition.

  • @anton7c3
    @anton7c3Ай бұрын

    Any chance to counter zealot rush in game 1 with firebats?

  • @ArtosisCasts

    @ArtosisCasts

    Ай бұрын

    No

  • @ethansterling4317

    @ethansterling4317

    Ай бұрын

    Academy bio crushes mass zealots, but you won't have academy in time to save the assimilator. You can lose one assimilator and still play bio against the Protoss, but Protoss can cannon their own natural and now you have to scale into the midgame with a bio build against a two-base Protoss. To go back into mech, you'd have to build factories out in the middle of the map or at another main... There might be a viable gameplan in there somewhere, but if there is, it's very different from the mech TvP that Terran uses on every other map. It's not really worth it for pros to explore a completely new style for one map that's just gonna be cycled out of the pool.

  • @reishiki8682

    @reishiki8682

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@ethansterling4317That's only considering if P will just keep mass zealots. Obviously not, they'll tech into Robo and go for speed Shuttle+Reaver play which kills your bio play stone cold dead. Now your bio play is hard-countered and you'll be severely behind when transitioning into mech, you might as well call gg by that point.

  • @nathanspeidel9195
    @nathanspeidel9195Ай бұрын

    Was there no “veto”? Why couldn’t Scan veto the map in game one?

  • @somecooney5304
    @somecooney5304Ай бұрын

    Build the 2 rax tight to the assimilators, to what hopefully makes a wall that still lets your marines hit the zealots attacking the assimilators. You might try different combinations of buildings (2 rax, the depot, maybe a bunker but actually probably not necessary in this case unless the extra range was needed. Don't bother trying to get out until you have siege or go wraiths and tickle those zealots to death. If you wanted to get sneaky, run an scv into a second main first thing and hide it there, and expand into a second main with the same type of wall. Don't bother taking a natural until you have siege.

  • @alexfriedman2152

    @alexfriedman2152

    Ай бұрын

    That wouldn't make a difference. The zealots would still just right click the assimilator at that point plus 2 raxes aren't a wall.

  • @karpai5427

    @karpai5427

    Ай бұрын

    @@alexfriedman2152 Barracks next to Assimilator don't make a wall?

  • @alexfriedman2152

    @alexfriedman2152

    Ай бұрын

    @@karpai5427 I'm not entirely sure about that map cuz I have it banned, and I've never seen 2 assimilators like that with a wall, but I'm pretty sure a Zealot can still get through, but even if it blocks zealot can still fit through 2 barracks and still just kill the assimilator.

  • @Dziaji

    @Dziaji

    Ай бұрын

    Zealots can’t get through a barracks next to another barracks. They can if the barracks are vertical. You simply need a bunker in the natural. You basically have to rush it. Otherwise they can use a cannon to take out the assimilators after using the zealots to keep the marines back. Finding a way to wall with a barracks and a bunker while leaving holes that only rines can go through would make it possible i think.

  • @alexfriedman2152

    @alexfriedman2152

    Ай бұрын

    @@Dziaji Bro I don't mean to be "That guy" But you're wrong. Zealots can get through 2 barracks. Both ways. Vertical 2 barracks or horizontal 2 barracks. Maybe you're thinking of a supply depot and barracks, but it's only when the depot is on the right. It's pretty hard unless you play the game a lot. I only know because I play Protoss so I know where I can fit through.

  • @heyimSkyee
    @heyimSkyeeАй бұрын

    Artyyy❤❤❤

  • @robrobertson1558
    @robrobertson1558Ай бұрын

    You can stop 2 gate proxi.The only way is to have 3-4 scvs right away before first zealot comes to wall off the exit with marines behind those scvs.Even with 2 rax he proved how its impossible to push back the zealots with marines alone.

  • @lukeroetling8543
    @lukeroetling8543Ай бұрын

    Couldn't scan just block the hole between gasses with a bunker forcing zealots to single file to their death while repairing?

  • @alexfriedman2152

    @alexfriedman2152

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah but technically he could still just right click the assimilator before the zealots die. Then he makes a cannon at home and wins

  • @nathanspeidel9195
    @nathanspeidel9195Ай бұрын

    Could Scan have made a bunker behind the assimilator in game 1?

  • @jimmusamma1635
    @jimmusamma1635Ай бұрын

    No idea who wins but let’s go scan!!!!

  • @ObeliskM
    @ObeliskMАй бұрын

    If terran killed assimilators, this move would have blocked 2 gateway push, right? And since his structures can fly, factories could be redeployed to expansion later, which solves logistical issues.

  • @Howwasyourdaysir

    @Howwasyourdaysir

    Ай бұрын

    Wow, you're so smart

  • @roscoe1874
    @roscoe1874Ай бұрын

    Allot of valid points being made.. Artosis knows how to get the comments rollin Lol.

  • @michaelflanagan27
    @michaelflanagan27Ай бұрын

    Arty not challenging your Troy take. Just curious what your take on ASL is on Troy, and why more Toss didn’t go 2 gate zealot?

  • @supradoom
    @supradoomАй бұрын

    I don't know SC1, but couldn't he have just blocked the extractor area with a bunker?

  • @bdinh3130
    @bdinh3130Ай бұрын

    How do you counter harder? You lift off and fly all your buildings to each corner of the map and tilt your opponent to win next game.

  • @Prometosermejor
    @PrometosermejorАй бұрын

    It's very easy countered: power overwhelming!

  • @2slick4u.
    @2slick4u.Ай бұрын

    8:50 how about a bunker right below the 2 gaz at the choke of the main to protect the gas AND defend the zealot rush Additionnally, this 2 gas choke is very tight and building the 2 racks closer to that choke might have helped at micro management to block the zealots

  • @alexfriedman2152

    @alexfriedman2152

    Ай бұрын

    I was thinking the same thing. 1 rax gas 2nd depot and bunker. But then the zealots just walk by lol. You would lose scvs or just lose the Assimilator for the zealots but then you're on 1 base but you would get a vulture out eventually so you don't just die.

  • @Tmr2010
    @Tmr2010Ай бұрын

    Always 👍🏻

  • @dewinmoonl
    @dewinmoonlАй бұрын

    With how good pros are at sniping mines in predictable locations, I wonder if its good to just gamble by laying 2 mines close together on a weird rally spot to make the snipe difficult

  • @oldscoolest
    @oldscoolestАй бұрын

    Zalot man go brrrrr

  • @JP-xg6bv
    @JP-xg6bvАй бұрын

    Build a bunker, stay put and bite the bullet

  • @alexoniscenko1233
    @alexoniscenko1233Ай бұрын

    would a combination of firebats and medics with optic flare work against the zealot rush?

  • @Randomwayz

    @Randomwayz

    Ай бұрын

    Is there a meme I'm missing haha

  • @ThunderChickenBucket
    @ThunderChickenBucketАй бұрын

    2 gate om troy is downright nasty and maybe requires special circumstances to win

  • @Wysaw
    @WysawАй бұрын

    Could you fit a bunker to the left of the top assimilator asap? It would be a waste if they not doing the 2gate but can cancel it or get rid later, Scan was pretty close if only the assim had more health. Broken map for sure though lol

  • @karpai5427
    @karpai5427Ай бұрын

    Dewalt will be the Champion for sure.

  • @generalshrooms
    @generalshroomsАй бұрын

    How about build a bunker before second barracks? stops the zealots from getting in and prevents them from blowing up assimilators

  • @robertovonschoettler
    @robertovonschoettlerАй бұрын

    You counter harder by building a bunker behind the inner assimilator. Trust me, I completed the campaign.

  • @minch25
    @minch25Ай бұрын

    What about wall off the two assimilators, maybe put one of the barracks there if marines spawn on the bottom side, or else a depot or bunker, and then destroy it later when you want to get out

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