Since the point of the video seems to be misconstrued Wanda is one of the most powerful characters in the Mcu as I stated, but is NOT universal/multiversal in terms of power, reality warping on the scale Wanda has shown is not a universal+ feat Her durability, although impressive, isn't and has never been relative to her power output, there's no feat that puts her above getting one shot from an attack like Stormbreaker, she died when a building fell on her I do fail to mention her ability to "heal" as seen when she escapes the mirror dimension, and although hard to gauge, to say she can just instantly heal from any wound would be a no limits fallacy Her reaction speed isn't ftl, she pre blocks and her shield is revealed when an object hits it. If she was ftl she would never be tagged by attacks which are much slower, making it a massive outlier. and "she can instantly react" is yet another no limits fallacy I'm not saying characters like Thor, Captain Marvel, Omni Man, etc would win in most scenarios, but they have win conditions whether it be their higher ap or a massive disparity in speed Wanda's strong but can still be defeated by another powerful character in the right situation

@y0y010

4 ай бұрын

You can’t say she died unless you saw the body. And she destroyed the entire Illuminati and Kamar Taj and she resisted multiverse punches from America ChavezYou think a building will kill her so easily? 😂😂😂 Kevin Feige never confirmed that she died so you shouldn’t say that.

@y0y010

4 ай бұрын

She blocks light speed photon blasts from 838 Captain Marvel and stops her speedster kid easily in Wandavision.

@y0y010

4 ай бұрын

Her healing powers are indeed instant. It took only a few seconds for her to recover from the humongous damage caused to her body by shrapnels and broken glass. Chaos magic never lets her hurt herself.

@y0y010

4 ай бұрын

Know what your’e talking first😂😂😂 Make valid points. Then come and argue.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

@@y0y010 I talk about the photon beams in my comment and her kid is around the speed of sound She quickly healed while she wasn’t fighting, and we don’t see her heal from a devastating attack Wanda pfp :(

I agree with all of this but I would like to add the fact that Wanda as we’ve seen holds back highly often and has not reached her full potential in the mcu.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

Fair enough, but of course we can only go off of what we’ve seen

@MrNoob-ev4kt

4 ай бұрын

Also considering the fact she’s killed everyone in her way BUT strange. Says a lot with the plot, both were holding back but it’s sad we didn’t get a proper magic fight between them

@rayrandwip532

4 ай бұрын

​@@KindaSubparshe's not set up to be the most powerful avenger if she's just gonna be beaten by another avenger lol. She literally killed Captain Marvel in her weakest state, a being that can go toe-to-toe with Thor lmaoooo. Even dispelled the souls of the damned. Heck she even destroyed an infinity stone, an object that can only be destroyed by a power of the same signature. Y'all are fooling yourselves.

@JaydezzzTheo

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubparWanda instantly healed herself when exiting the mirror dimension.. Wanda’s reaction time is EXTREMELY fast WHEN SHE IS PREPARED. And don’t forget that 838 Wanda is a WEAKER version of 616, so she isn’t as powerful as 616. Everything 838 did in the movie was LIMITED, showing how much more damage she could’ve done as 616

@GregoryReed-lg6mp

3 ай бұрын

​@@KindaSubparOr what we've been told it's been stated she has the power to rule or annihilate the cosmos. I think she just holds back so much to prove she's not a monster. But very good video :)

To be fair Wanda really just became The Scarlet witch she’s still very new to her more advanced power as after she excepted herself as a Scarlet, which she gained more power. The dark hole didn’t buffer in any sort of way more of just giving her knowledge. Her potential is really unknown, but if we’re going to base of facts, I reckon she is a very much universe thread with a bit more experience not to mention That she was holding back when it came to the fight with strange, considering that she was willing to kill everyone else, and they literally said by endgame that she was the strongest hero in the Marvel universe so your opinion doesn’t really play too much to the CEO, who said that yes, there can beat her, but she’s a strongest version of herself as it is, as there can only be one Scarlet witch in the known Multiverse, and she was able to take punches that shockwaves out, and she was able to take a fire blast without showing too much pain and when it comes to regeneration feats She was able to regenerate her bones being broken and multiple cuts from the mirror dimension. Now you can argue that Doctor Strange is also holding back, but really, she was holding back a lot more than he was. She was just trying to get America. Not really hurt strange at all, as she was to America. She could’ve just killed Christine but she spared them showing that she was not willing to kill them, and when it came to WandaVision, I would definitely say that Wanda at the time did have normal durability, but I reckon once she became the Scarlet which her durability, physical, feats and magical feats, might evolved into either rule, or destroy the cosmos, which is a very big thing alone. I would not say she’s a multi Ivers threat when it comes to her accessing her full potential. I reckon if she was to get America’s power and access her full potential, she could definitely become a multi razzle threat to most people, however there are still people like Mamu and celestial, I believe are more powerful than her but she’s still definitely more powerful than cap like Thor Odin, Hella and Doctor Strange and so on so on now a lot of people do a multi threat which is really only depending on. We don’t know her potential not to mention all of these feats were on auto pilot and the last ones were just on level one while holding back to conclusion she could potentially maybe be a multi threat as a circle potential but for now I’m putting her to be a universal threat but for now I reckon that she can stay as a planetary threat but definitely has a potential to become a threat, and whether or not rules will still work on her, or Not is not confirmed but yeah so she’s not the most powerful being in the MCU, but the most powerful hero in the MCU stated by The CEO of Marvel, she’s not invincible totally, but let’s be honest she’s definitely more powerful than like a 99% of Marvel, heroes and most people in MCU. She’s not immortal and comes to the water thing. That was a par of what, and it wouldn’t actually exist in the marvel cinematic universe. But that’s my opinion

@werkforpichu

4 ай бұрын

I agree that she was holding back BC we saw how she can manipulate reality when she was Wanda 808

@tvdu_0z094

4 ай бұрын

There isn't just one Scarlet Witch in the multiverse lol we saw that in what if.

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

@@tvdu_0z094 that Wasn’t the scarlet witch she was Wanda Merlin

@justinmnj_

4 ай бұрын

@@IcAnClips1Her name is Wanda Maximoff in what if season 2 even the watcher says it. She is called Wanda Merlin because Merlin is a title for a powerful Witch/Wizard.

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

@@justinmnj_ yeah I know I was just saying she isn’t the scarlet witch

I think that we all know if wanda reaches her full potential she will be able to warp reality in it self she will be able to even controll it as far as i know

Get over it ,Wanda is the most powerful its ok to say 👌

Just correcting some parts of this video. 7:12 That was a magic enhanced cannonball. 7:19 It was her using her power against that same man, not her landing. 7:21 She used reality warpping to turn the mirrors into water. 7:24 i was waiting for you to bring up how she healed her broken ripped apart body from the mirror dimension. 7:37 She was in a weaker body, and her power was less powerful in that universe. 7:40 yes i agree that was hella stupid of reed to do 😭 my man black bolt did not deserve that treatment 😭 7:44 That was not reality warpping, that was matter manipulation, as its known wanda doesn't need to speak to reality warp. 7:51 i just hated how captain carter and captain marvel just stood there and watched reed die (TBH the way he outed black bolt like that, i'm kinda happy he died next) 8:00 Actually wanda found it quite hard up against captain marvel, mainly because she was in a weaker body with limited power, but then she just Absorbed Captain Marvels power, and then killed her. Thats why she died from the statue. 8:43 i'm pretty sure she was counted as multiversal, because on how dr.strange stated, if she were to be able to absorb america's power, she could enslave the multiverse. along with the statement made in the comics where it's said each scarlet witch is = to each other, but clearly that isn't true for most universes. 11:01 her reaction speed can actually be said to be faster then light many times over, seen in her fight with the Illuminati against captain marvel, with her photon blasts, which are said to be faster then light 330x over. So her reaction speed is quite good. 11:09 again, she is in a weaker body, which limits her power and duribility, and in that same scene she is clearly seen to have her hearing deafened by captain marvels photon blasts. 11:23 okay im starting to think you don't really understand what happened? If you actually look at the movie, you'd see how wanda absorbed Captain Marvel's power. So she is no weaker than the original. 12:10 okay matching, and stalling are not the same thing, but yes, if Prof X stalled her, during the fight between wanda and the Illuminati, they probably would have won, but that body was not her original, so that wouldn't have killed the scarlet witch, just another version of her that is less powerful. Plus, it's also shown that dreaming walking does not need the host to be alive, even if they are dead, she could still take over her body. 12:30 I'm seeing you're using her hex from WandaVision, and not her hex in Multiverse of madness, that showed her hex creation to be much more advanced then her WandaVision hex, said by Dr.Strange to look and feel real tricking him, and this time being able to go unnoticed when walked into it. 13:05 You can't use old versions of her with less experience to say that she isn't powerful, thats like saying if someone were to train for years in martial arts, that they're still bad at fighting because they weren't always good from the start of their training. 13:44 shown in the new season 2 of what if, in episode 9, zombie wanda survived that blasts, meaning infinity ultron didn't kill her. Over all, this video is correct, *IN* *SOME* *WAYS*, not everything is correct, some of the things said were wrong. True wanda cannot create a multiverse, but she could reality warp it the way she wants it to be. A lot of the characters in this do stand a chance, but multiverse of madness wanda, isn't even her strongest form, said she hasn't gone all out since she doesn't even want her powers, she just wants to live a normal life and have a family. Over all, a lot of fixing needs to go into this video, but at the end i see you're still sick so i'll let it pass as a mistake because you aren't feeling well.

@thenewavengers1581

4 ай бұрын

Finally someone who understands

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

7:12 yes that was visible 7:19 I corrected myself 7:20 7:21 fair, but in line with her other reality warping feats 7:24 she has the ability to heal, assuming that leaving the mirror dimension physically hurt her and wasn't just an artistic choice 7:37 an assumption 8:00 would explain it, but kinda comes down to another assumption 8:43 I explain this in 9:00 11:01 she's pre blocking, this would be a massive outlier since she fails to react to anything on that level before or after this 11:23 same explanation as before 12:10 yes it wouldn't be a permanent solution but they would've "won" had professor X been there to begin with 12:30 that's not an application to a fight 13:05 I'd agree with you but it's the only time we see it, so it's all we have to go off of which I also explain 13:01 13:44 haven't seen it to be fair but Ultron obviously still easily won that fight Warping a reality doesn't put her at universal let alone multiversal, she can only warp reality in another universe that she's in at the time Thank you for letting it slide lmaoo, my sickness has saved me from harsh criticism

@y0y010

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@KindaSubparCome on. It’s so much clear that 838 Wanda was a much weaker version of Scarlet Witch. She was easily being controlled and puppeteered by her, exploiting her to the max from another universe. How stupid can you be? Giving such baseless arguments. Just like you are assuming that Scarlet Witch died which wasn’t mentioned anywhere and there was no body seen. Stop assuming things as well.

@y0y010

4 ай бұрын

Pre-blocking doesn’t exist here. It would imply having energy shield around her and she didn’t have any. If she were not fast enough to react, she wouldn’t have been able to protect herself from the light speed blasts. Just think clearly before you mention any kind of shit.😂

@liampatterson2946

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubparif you’re going to disagree you’ve got at least listened to what they are saying

Yall realize how he conveniently didnt talk about her crawling out of the mirror dimension and healing herself when it came to the glass cannon bit. Sure buddy 😂😂😂

@faro8594

4 ай бұрын

He clearly doesn't know a damn thing. He thinks the SW is just a human durability. And that's it 😅😅

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

A human isn’t surviving a magic cannonball

@faro8594

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar she DID survive the cannonball in MOM. When she invaded kamartaj 😆

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

@@faro8594 yes that's what I'm saying. how would I be claiming she has human durability when I show her surviving attacks that would kill a normal person?

3:30 I am pretty sure it’s because she is powerful and not because it’s linked, he said “Only you have the POWER to destroy the mind stone.”something along those lines

❤️😂 This type of mindset people do tiering base on strength level according to them If kratos is physically stronger than Scarlet witch then he is above Scarlet witch, Now way he said thanos with infinity stones can beat scarlet witch, So kahhori can beat killmonger who had six infinity stones but wanda can't beat thanos with infinity stones even tho wanda don't even need to react, she literally change reality with her thoughts she can simply remove his fingers from existence before he use gauntlet. scarlet witch is not class cannon or human like dr strange and she never learned magic, she is witch. Since wanda became scarlet witch she took cannon blast like nothing, took a powerful punch from chavez that shockwave spread across mountain plus she came through mirror dimension with broken bones & scratches her magic healed her faster than deadpool and wolverine similar like hela. And stop that nonsense speedblitz logic, all these speedters need to think before they react and in case of wanda she only need to think and it's over, even superman has failed to stop capitol explosion. most of the time Scarlet witch opponents only stay longer in battle because of plot armour otherwise wanda can pop out there heads with a thought, Scarlet witch is underrated

@Caro_vs

4 ай бұрын

❤❤❤

@user-df6gr8vy1w

4 ай бұрын

Kahhori didn’t overpower kilmomger she just used telekensis and threw him out of suit

@Juicytracksuitxx

2 ай бұрын

THIS

@Geralddd966

17 күн бұрын

Kratos stomps her tho

I can feel the earth tremor from the arrival of the stans

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

they’re HERE

@purpleguyy1261

4 ай бұрын

Ofc, we stan kween wanda

@Mileysleftiris

4 ай бұрын

@@purpleguyy1261 no ofc

@sucubaz

2 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubparget a job

Wanda beat captain marvel by siphoning her powers it was confirmed by the writer

All this for her to still be the most powerful in the mcu

@KindaSubpar

2 ай бұрын

Infinity Ultron

@ebenezerstooge

2 ай бұрын

What if says otherwise

@CottonArsonist

2 ай бұрын

KEVIN

@EternalPayne

Ай бұрын

​@@CottonArsonistStan Lee>>>

How is Wanda a glass cannon when she has a crazy healing factor? Her neck was snapped but yet healed right back to normal..

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

the ability to heal doesn’t equal durability, resistance to damage equals durability

To be fair, she is stated to be a universal threat (Wong said) And she was also the most powerful character in MCU phase 4, confirmed by Marvel. Plus we also haven't seen her full potential/powers which I'm hoping we'll be able to see in Kang Dynasty or Agatha: Dark Hold Diaries.

@KindaSubpar

2 ай бұрын

A threat to the universe/multiverse doesn’t in turn mean universal/multiversal (ability to destroy or create a multiverse) and I take character and creator statements with a grain of salt especially when showings aren’t there to prove it But I’d agree she’s the most powerful in phase 4

@DivinePlayz16

2 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar True but she does have the power to rule or enslave universe 616 since she is in a nexus being and it was stated she could, but yeah I get your point

Where was it stated destroying the castle caused a chain reaction?

6:28 technically that isn’t “lack of durability” because if it was a normal human their head would’ve been crushed already

@therighteousboys446

Ай бұрын

No he was clearly crushing it slowly. That would look the exact same if it were any other regular person.

@frenchtxny

Ай бұрын

@@therighteousboys446 well Wanda has super-human durability, it’s a fact.

@therighteousboys446

Ай бұрын

@@frenchtxny She really doesn’t. And she’s was never a character meant to have superhuman durability. Like he stated in the video, a hit from any heavy hitter is more than enough to knock her out or even kill her.

@frenchtxny

Ай бұрын

@@therighteousboys446 in infinity war she was blasted out of the sky landing hard on the ground and survived(through glass), she took superhuman punches from America Chavez, etc. She has superhuman durability, she also has a healing regeneration.

@therighteousboys446

Ай бұрын

@@frenchtxny She used her powers to save her from impact on the ground. And Chavez has near normal strength.

Fyi, 838 is a weaker version of Wanda even though she was being controlled by 616 Wanda, 838 doesn’t have all the powers that 616 Wanda has(weaker)

Actually what happens to captain marvel M.O.M. Was Wanda drained her power which is why she was crushed so easily.

And Wanda is 100x more powerful than Thor or captain marvel

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

a direct hit from stormbreaker would do her in

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubparI don’t know about that

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

stormbreaker cut through a direct blast from a fully powered infinity gauntlet. a direct hit would do it but characters like thor have a win condition, not saying they outright win everytime 14:15

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar idk if it can cut through chaos magic though or the harbinger of chaos herself, Wanda isn’t just a one tap or can simply be speed blitz

@dillonhall-km3gq

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar she took an attack from america chavez who can open portals to other universes stormbreak is doing nothing and if she can react to captain marvel why not stormbreak?

Guys don't get lose your temper by this video we all know how wanda is

@Geralddd966

16 күн бұрын

MCU stans are truly retarded, the broke it down scene for scene ,movie by movie with context ,she is not as powerful as u think ,if she was she could have made her kids real

This really just confirm that this video is basically a "how to make a character look weak in order for a peace of mind"

@ebenezerstooge

Ай бұрын

Not our fault that wanda is a glass canon

@Shiwana_Banghem

Ай бұрын

@@ebenezerstooge if she is glass cannon she wouldnt drag dr strange like a puppy on a park the whole movie meanwhile he had a long team of go mage armies and a freaking nexus being beside him and still loses but whatever right? 😊❣️

@Shiwana_Banghem

Ай бұрын

@@ebenezerstooge if you asked me id say he just have something called skill issues

@ebenezerstooge

29 күн бұрын

@@Shiwana_Banghem You mean the same wandump that literally got tossed around by teenager and then struggled with a nerfed strange who didn’t even confront him directly? Let alone the fact that even war machine managed to get one over in a humiliating manner right? Yeah she’s not beating the glass canon accusations anytime soon. Oh and that “nexus being” literally gets pegged by a piece of metal in her own series in the comics and also got absolutely humiliated by cyclops on the contest of chaos finale. But sure whatever helps you cope with your delulu 😂 Oh and speaking of strange I guess you forgot the fact that in the concise strange literally is the one who puts her to sleep right? Mind you at the time she was also amped by the life force as well. I guess being comatose is one of her powers 😂

@ebenezerstooge

29 күн бұрын

@@Shiwana_Banghem I was thinking the same thing about you since your media literacy skills don’t seem to be very good. 🥰 Oh and are we talking about mcu Wanda or comic Wanda? Mcu Wanda currently isn’t even alive and couldn’t survive a building falling on her and her last appearance she gets pegged by a nerfed variant of Thor. And comic Wanda currently she needs to be saved by pietro when she was almost getting popped by a random berserker. Dang I guess they took the glass canon names to heart. 😂

She’s still stronger than Captain Marvel

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

yea she is lmao

@Geralddd966

17 күн бұрын

Cap marvel is a statue victim at least the variants are

U forgot Hela and Odin, they slam her (maybe even Ancient One too since she was drawing power from Dormammu and with the time stone stands a good chance) Also the reason why she could destroy the darkhold in every universe wasn't because she destroyed Wundagore but because the book was written for her by Chthon and uses the same dark magic, so she had power over it and like u said removing a book is alot different to removing a person, she wouldn't be able to erase someone like Thor from the multiverse. Side note: in comics "no more mutants" wasn't multiversal, it was universal, only the waves were felt thorought the multiverse....yet another lie these wanda stans have convinced themselves of smh.

@Geralddd966

17 күн бұрын

Easily

if you pay attention wanda was taking away that captain marvels power so thats why she died from a statue

Wanda negs the verse

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

negs is a crazy statement

Definitely some good points brought up in the video! But there are a couple things I took issue with, one of these being the idea that wands “died” after she let mount wundagore fall on her as it has essentially been stated in numerous interviews by both Elizabeth and Kevin Feige that she survived this encounter 😭. The second being the lack of durability feats you provided even though they exist, in mom obviously she escaped the mirror dimension showing her healing factor and durability as she quite literally unsnapped her neck 😭, the next feat comes from the newest season of what if so [SPOILER] … Zombie wanda in the finale episode of season 2 seems to have survived her encounter with ultron which is an insane durability feat, and this would only be about infinity war wanda level. [SPOILER]…. Wanda Merlin aswell seems to be able to navigate the multiverse and travel it, it seems that mom wanda SHOULD be able to do this aswell, she simply lacks the knowledge to do so as Agatha states in Wandavision she does not lack power, simply knowledge / Bad writing on Michael Waldrons end. Overall a Solid video though, but I think we all know comic wanda has always been better than her mcu counterpart.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

everything i found on MoM’s ending said that she died I haven’t seen what if season 2 tbf, but it doesn’t seem right to assume she has the ability when she spent time studying the darkhold and still went on to resort to dreamwalking. Plot stuff i agree And yea most characters are heavily nerfed in live action

@WandaMaximo

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar Interesting, almost everything i’ve seen hints that she survived the fall of wundagore, but what if shows a significantly less powerful version of wanda whom is still able to pull beings from different universes into her own, so it would make sense that mcu wanda would be able to do this aswell if she learns how, keep in mind the darkhold is limited to all the dark magic known by chthon, it didn’t make her omniscient. So my bet is it’s quite possible she didn’t know she was truly able to travel the multiverse because Michael Waldron can’t write for shit 😭

@therighteousboys446

4 ай бұрын

I just wanna say her having a great healing factor has NOTHING to do with her durability

@WandaMaximo

4 ай бұрын

@@therighteousboys446 not once did i say her healing factor had anything to do with her durability? I said in mom she survived escaping the mirror dimension which shattered every single bone in her body, which has nothing to do with her healing factor? And then i stated in what if season 1 it is shown that zombie wanda, which would be around civil war/ infinity war level wanda was shown getting blown up by ultron, it was then shown in season 2’s finale that she survived this blast which destroyed a planet.

@therighteousboys446

4 ай бұрын

@@WandaMaximo You literally tried to oppose it when you said how she escaped the mirror dimension which is a healing feat.

We can all agree that MoM just kinda ruined everyone, I was definitely expecting a lot more MAGIC work from Wanda considering if Marvel were to give her better lore in MoM. She was seen as powerful but she wasn’t truly or rightfully powerful the way we all wanted and wished her to be. Like fr, the scarlet witch in MoM was unbalanced and her power were n’t that well depicted as someone who would destroy the cosmos.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

true, considering there's so much discourse surrounding how powerful she is, the movie didn't depict how powerful she truly is. from failing to overpower the forcefield in kamar taj to supposedly being so powerful she can destroy the darkhold in every universe

@daviddevine9859

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar like, from just being able to control a single sorcerer’s mind in the Kamar Taj fight even though she was in full scarlet witch self, to completely demolish the whole Illuminati gang and even backfired Charles Xavier telepath through another Wanda base self from a different universe. Even wizard blasted Strange and destroyed the Vishanti, sent Strange Christine and Chavez through dimensions in just a few whips. And the worst thing is that, MoM was set up to be 2 years after Wandavision which supposedly even worsen her character lore in terms of magic capabilities

you do realize she became the scarlet witch in wandavision, unlocking her full power, and in multiverse of madness was able to destroy every single darkhold in the entire multiverse.. thats multiversal babes try it again

@KindaSubpar

29 күн бұрын

yea the agree to disagree part is where I don’t believe she destroyed every darkhold with her own power, rather she did it by destroying the mountain/building Saying she’s multiversal in power when nothing else she’s done is on that level would be wildly inconsistent to say the least lmao

@user-zg6cv2ek6x

28 күн бұрын

@@KindaSubpar in marvel official book,it was stated that she is one of greatest threats to all of multiverse.

@KindaSubpar

28 күн бұрын

That doesn’t equal multiversal…

@user-zg6cv2ek6x

28 күн бұрын

@@KindaSubpar so what does??

@KindaSubpar

27 күн бұрын

The ability to create/destroy a multiverse or hurt someone with multiversal durability

Love how you actually missed the fact she burned and destroyed darkhold across the multiverse which is a multiversal feat. Love how you actually missed how she tanked all the punches questioning her durability and of course her coming out of a dimension which is said to be impossible. Maybe next time try to watch a movie dum dum

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

Nope she didn’t actually do that. She only destroyed the one out Mt wundaborr and the one steange was using. The other darkholds still exist since the one in 616 is still active and being used. Which is also shown in the contest of chaos anual . And tanking Americas punches would imply that it didn’t affect her. It did and it almost turns her into a crispy wanda in case you didn’t watch the scene when America almost tossed Wanda into the lava pit. Next time watch the movie doofy

@hritviknijhawan1737

2 ай бұрын

​@@lnvincibleMarkSorry, but I think you are the one for sure who needs to rewatch. She destroyed all the Darkholds throughout the entire multiverse, and Doctor Strange also said that himself. All the Darkholds in the MCU are gone as of now. You cannot connect the comics to the MCU's multiverse, they exist seperately. Saying that would mean that this universe should've been destroyed in 2015's Secret Wars? It's very clear they both exist seperately. For the *crisp* part, did you forget Wanda can fly, Wanda can teleport, Wanda can also heal and Wanda can also do something called 'reality warping'? It's her primary power btw, if you somehow didn't know that yet then you should now.

@lnvincibleMark

2 ай бұрын

@@hritviknijhawan1737 no I think you do becusse you’re making assumptions based off of no evidence. 1. There’s no evidence that she destroyed all the darkholds in the multiverse. If that was true then the one in the 616 universe would’ve been taken out since it’s confirmed that the comics and the mcu shares the same multiverse. Dr strange was speculating at most. He never said for a fact that she took out all the darkholds. And second they don’t exist separately since marvel has since confirmed that they are part of the same multiverse or Omniverse or whatever verbiage you want. Agsin this is coming straight from marvel. So strange’s statement at most were speculative at best. Also did you forget that prior movies and even In mom it shows that she leaves herself open for attacks and that her magic isn’t an insta je like you claim it to be? Even prior movies shows that she’s not invulnerable to physical attacks. And if that wasn’t the case she wouldn’t have tired to avoid the lava pit. Movie events > your misrepresentations

@lnvincibleMark

2 ай бұрын

@@hritviknijhawan1737 I think you’re projecting your own inabilities becussd unlike you I actually watched the series and pay attrition to what marvel says you should try it sometimes. 1. Nope she didn’t. Despite what steange assumed, and that’s all he did, there’s no proof that she took out all the darkholds in the multiverse. I know this because the comics version still exist. Strange was at most speculating what Wanda did. He never confirmed it. He only assumed. 2. Nope agsin you don’t pay attention to comic and marvels statements as they’ve confirmed that both the mcu and the comics share the same multiverse now. Since the comics are officially labeled as earth 616 while the mcu is earth 19999. So if we’re going by marvels statements then technically it shares the same Omniverse. Also if it mattered then how come she tried to avoid the lava during her match with America Chavez? Her healing and everything you mentioned come with limits as it was even shown in this scene that her defense can be beached by strange even when he was dream walking. And obvious versions of herself where she couldn’t even get out Tony’s tech and such. So she could do all that yet still try to avoid lava? The math isn’t mathing.

@lnvincibleMark

2 ай бұрын

@@hritviknijhawan1737 I think you’re projecting your own inabilities becussd unlike you I actually watched the series and pay attrition to what marvel says you should try it sometimes. 1. Nope she didn’t. Despite what steange assumed, and that’s all he did, there’s no proof that she took out all the darkholds in the multiverse. I know this because the comics version still exist. Strange was at most speculating what Wanda did. He never confirmed it. He only assumed. 2. Nope agsin you don’t pay attention to comic and marvels statements as they’ve confirmed that both the mcu and the comics share the same multiverse now. Since the comics are officially labeled as earth 616 while the mcu is earth 19999. So if we’re going by marvels statements then technically it shares the same Omniverse. Also if it mattered then how come she tried to avoid the lava during her match with America Chavez? Her healing and everything you mentioned come with limits as it was even shown in this scene that her defense can be beached by strange even when he was dream walking. And obvious versions of herself where she couldn’t even get out Tony’s tech and such. So she could do all that yet still try to avoid lava? The math isn’t mathing.

wanda isn't being speed blitzed nor one tapped the logic she has human durability is getting old

@iampondkoi...

5 күн бұрын

no fr thor speed blitzed her in the comics and she stopped time 😭😭😭

Bro let's be honest she is the most powerful 😂

You didn't mention that she can heal her self pretty fast

@Memeinaround

4 ай бұрын

Through her magic

@idontmeanitbut1321

4 ай бұрын

@@Memeinaroundum…yes?

@Memeinaround

4 ай бұрын

@@idontmeanitbut1321 so it’s not really a healing factor she’s just using her magic to heal herself.

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

@@Memeinaroundit was instant, and she showed no sign of manually doing it herself

@Memeinaround

4 ай бұрын

@@IcAnClips1 she uses her magic regardless of how “instant” it seems she’s still using magic and spells.

I am a Wanda Stan and i agree with most of what you said. I even correct other Wanda stans all the time, especially about her comic feats. Heres where i disagree with you: 1. Wanda can teleport, although weve only seen this in the hex, Agatha can also teleport and Wanda learned to cast runes by watching, fair to say she can teleport as well without a hex, adding to her travel speed at least 2. To say the darkhold in every universe was destroyed only because she destroyed wundagore is truly a guess and would mean each darkhold only stemmed from the 616 which i dont think makes sense. She's not multiversal still but can affect the multiverse 3. Dont think Carol can 1 tap her anymore due to her withstanding Americas punches (not multiversal but powerful) and i think Maria is just as strong, Wanda clearly drained her powers and even Carol when not fully charged up with energy was knocked out easily in her movie. Carol was also juiced up by energy from all the stones I agree with what you said about her reaction speed and her unknown reality warping capabilities mid fight

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

fair enough the only thing with the darkhold feat is that it doesn't make sense narratively for her to have destroyed every darkhold. she picks up the building, drops it, and dies. the darkholds were destroyed when the building was destroyed. granted, it is a guess

@hritviknijhawan1737

2 ай бұрын

​@@KindaSubpar Doctor Strange said, "She destroyed the Darkhold in every universe." which indicates that she was the one responsible for manually destroying all Darkholds throughout the entire multiverse. I think that saying that the temple's destruction was the cause of the destruction of the Darkholds is a much bigger assumption than saying that she destroyed them herself.

@lnvincibleMark

2 ай бұрын

@@hritviknijhawan1737 agsin strange was speaking in speculations. He never confirmed that she did or didn’t destroy all the darkholds. How could he possibly know that? And again if that was true then wouldn’t the ones in the comics also have been taken out since it was shown that the mcu was a different universe than the comics which is 616? It was obvious to anyone with visual skills that he was speculating what she did. He never said so as a fact.

@jaeshungibson2379

27 күн бұрын

I’m pretty sure because that temple was the “true darkhold”

@yoyomayne

27 күн бұрын

@@jaeshungibson2379 and where is that statement backed up?

You probably Stan jean grey lmao

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

mcu scarlet witch beats fox jean grey in a 1v1

I think you underestimate the power, durability, and speed of Wanda. As she has easily taken a punch from America and she has an insane healing factor also being able to stop her speedster son. You also go back to the weaker version of Wanda that doesn’t really matter sense her insane power boost, also Dormammu wasn’t going to absorb the whole universe of 616 only the other planet since Dormammu isn’t multiversal

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

We haven’t seen her healing factor on screen Her son was speed of sound at best. Not on the level of other “speedster” characters

@kingnick460

4 ай бұрын

you mean earth-199999, but the 616 isn't the mcu conterpart, but the comics dormamanu is conseeded powerful than the MCU one, is just that they sometimes downplay it.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

@@kingnick460 different continuities have their own takes of the “main 616 universe” so it’s easier to just refer to the mcu as 616 when talking about it

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar we have seen her healing factor when she broke out of the mirror dimension with cuts and cracks on her body then instantly healed

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

hard to call that blatant regeneration rather than an artistic choice/how one forms when they leave the mirror dimension Especially since we never see another example of this (like when she limped after strange and America)

One thing I've noticed about Wanda stans is they LOVE to take lose statements from Kevin Feigie seriously lol. As if hes the one writing the storylines. Here's the general rule of thumb when it comes to statements from producers of writers and this has been known since the days of stan lee. Unless an author states some thing IN THE BOOK or in this case IN THE MOVIE, then its not canon nor is it true. For instance Kevin Feigie saying "Wanda is the most powerful" or "Captain marvel is more powerful than thor" is not relevant. He can say whatever he wants unless its in the books or in the movies its not relevant. NOW if Al Ewing says something like "Thor is on his own level and his own god that is higher above the eldergods" and he actually puts this in his comic? THEN there is truth to this. In fact thats exactly what he is doing in his immortal thor run that is changing the heirarchy of the elder gods as we've seen Toranos now being one of the most if not THE most powerful elder god which literally replaced Chthon as one of the most powerful ones. So thats the difference that people need to see. Producer statements mean nothing. Comic book panels and movie scenes? THat is where the story is. Not producer or opinions of check writers.

@idkyou1175

4 ай бұрын

Are you dumb? We're talking about MCU so comics mean nothing. If that were the case this video wouldn't exist because she is omniversal in the comics retard... producers making MCU movies mean more

@idkyou1175

4 ай бұрын

Are you dumb? We're talking about MCU so comics mean nothing. If that were the case this video wouldn't exist because she is omniversal in the comics retard... producers making MCU movies mean more

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

@@idkyou1175 I think you are since I wasn’t even talking about ghe comics I was talking about the mcu it’s self which’s she’s the same multiverse. But you wouldn’t know that since you’re making up terms lol. Oh and by the way there’s no such thing as omniversal. But like I said you don’t have a fully functional brain to understand that 🤭😂

@ebenezerstooge

4 ай бұрын

@@idkyou1175​​⁠you seem to be projecting your own lack of intelligence since you didn’t get that the mcu and the comics share the same universe. Oh and Wanda isn’t “omniversal” since there’s no such thing and even Steve Orlando’s wanda current writer confirms that this omniversal nonsense doesn’t exist since Wanda’s abilities has limits: you don’t know who Steve Orlando is right? No shcok there 😂

@idkyou1175

4 ай бұрын

@@lnvincibleMark you said comic book "panals" IDIOT HAHAHA

Question? Do you think that merlin wanda from what if is more powerful than the 616 wanda and why?

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

haven’t seen it. if i remember this comment if/when i watch it ill get back to you

@Someone16733

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar ok but I think U missed a few feats where her magic effected strange who was dreamwalking in another universe and her destroying the book of vishanti

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

The dream walker seems to be affected by whatever they’re doing as seen in the fight between Wanda and Captain marvel There’s no reason to believe the book was exceptionally durable

@Someone16733

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar true I mean you would expect it to be really durable since it's the only one

but there is no proof that wanda destroying mount wundagore was the reason why all the darkholds in the multiverse were erased? that seems like an assumption more than a conclusion

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

We saw her destroy it and then die, it stands to reason that destroying it caused the destruction of the rest of the darkholds W pfp btw but Huey’s my favorite

@dillonhall-km3gq

4 ай бұрын

can you prove wanda died otherwise this is another false accusation you can't fight with people in the comments but then have no idea what you;re talking about it was stated by the writers the other darkholds were destroyed and we even see this happen in the movie when wandas darkhold gets destroyed Stranges does as all so what are you fighting about?@@KindaSubpar

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

@dillonhall-km3gq hey have you heard of google? look up “did Wanda die” and I went over countless times that she herself did not destroy each and every darkhold like it’s literally in the video

@dillonhall-km3gq

4 ай бұрын

what video? is this video from a creator of the movie if not you can't use it as valid information as it is irrelevant like your video hey have you ever heard to shut your mouth?@@KindaSubpar

@dillonhall-km3gq

4 ай бұрын

and why would wanda die? elizabeth olsen still has another 5 years with marvel?@@KindaSubpar

Seen a lot of people say she can end the Justice League by herself when this video proves that The Flash, Superman or Wonder Woman can beat her in a 1v1.

I think that it’s important to add that this is all on a known foundation that Wanda has not reached her full potential yet. Comparing her to supreme strange who had YEARS of study isn’t comparable imo. I think it’s been pretty established in the MCU that she is the strongest magic user at least in the MCU just off raw power alone. If she gained more knowledge it would solidify that more. Every person you could vs. her with has reached their peak imo but Wanda definitely hasn’t.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

A fair stance. But this video is more of a response to people who believe Wanda as the Scarlet Witch in MoM was already more powerful than most characters I mentioned (s strange, ig ultron, etc)

@MrNoob-ev4kt

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubparrespect that but with a few points missed or lacking statements, it’s understandable. But people who compare to literal characters mentioned is somewhat delusional. You could say some points may be valid, but not to the point she’d beat them, to stand a chance, sure, but definitely not on the former pedestal

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@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

makin it out the suburbs with this one

On a fair note, as the title suggests, Wanda should only be compared to MCU characters and not characters out of MCU, if we’re only taking evidence of her feats in the MCU. Especially the main 616-Earth. As of currently, on that Earth, Dr. Strange is only Dr. Strange and not Strange Supreme (yet, unless the writers are planning something for him). The only character I could agree with you on is Thanos with the infinity gauntlet. He’s probably the only one who can outmatch her in the 616-verse. On that note, take a look at What If S2. Scarlet witch’s feats there are more impressive and probably not as impressive as Strange Supreme, but definitely powerful.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

Vs battles tend to pit any character against each other which is why I also bring up Dc characters and Omni Man, so the other mcu versions were fair game too

@edvardvarjun5328

4 ай бұрын

Thanos could beat her but kevin said Wanda maximoff was gonna kill thanos if he hadn't initated the blitz also said by monica in wandavision

@edvardvarjun5328

4 ай бұрын

And yea he didn't have the infinity stones then but wanda didn't know about chaos magic and propability altering so even if he did try to snap her away she could make the propability of that a 0/100

No lies detected in this video. Nothing but truth 😂

I agree tbh Idk where these Wanda stans got Multiversal scaling for her

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

Because she got multiversal feats

@Memeinaround

3 ай бұрын

@@IcAnClips1she does not and you have yet to prove that she does. But you’re the type of person to make up feats that your favorite glass canon doesn’t have

@lnvincibleMark

3 ай бұрын

Yeah no she doesn’t have multiversal feats lol. Unless you count getting clapped by thor in what if and being clapped by cyclops in the comics “multiversal “ lol that’s just universal embarrassment 😂

@sammyjackoo8246

27 күн бұрын

@@lnvincibleMark in the mcu youre right Wanda doesn't have multiversal feats except destroying the darkholds but that was never confirmed so it doesn't count, but saying comic Wanda doesn't have any multiversal feats is crazy. Comic Wanda has beyond multiversal feats coming from someone who has read her comics.

@lnvincibleMark

27 күн бұрын

@@sammyjackoo8246 let me clarify that. I mean she doesn’t have multiversal feats in the mcu. She didn’t destroy all the darkholds. You said it yourself it’s never confirmed and given how the multiversal and Omniverse works if she did then the ones in the comics would’ve been gone since comics share the same Omniverse as all their other films do. As far as the comics? I can give her low tier multiversal feats, I even said at most she’s barely multiversal and that’s true she doesn’t have feats beyond that if low tier multiversal.

it really depends on the writer itself but stating on what can her power do it could be much better if the writer have more time and better decisions. I think MoM got a bad writing maybe their are on quick lmao. They need her to dreamwalk just to nerf her but still can do a lot damage in the multiverse. But we all know shes holding in MoM, there are a lot of things you can add in MoM but we didn't saw enough of her abilites.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

yea that’s typically what it comes down to along with the plot

There were NO lies told in this video. You said what everyone needed to hear.

2:58 no she wouldn’t of lost

7:19 that was disintegration…😐

im pretty sure that one of the writers said that in infinity war when wanda was fighting with thanoses children that right before nat and steve came she was gonna kill them

@lnvincibleMark

2 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure you’re wrong cause in infinity war she needed Steve and Natasha’s help to escape the battle. So yeah. I’m pretty sure you’re wrong.

@sucubaz

2 ай бұрын

@@lnvincibleMarkthe way she still handled thanos’ children who were MORE skilled and experienced than her. you’re in the wrong here!

@lnvincibleMark

2 ай бұрын

@@sucubaz no you are. I saw the film and wanda was the one who got handled by thanos children and even by thanos’s regular soldiers. I’m right: you’re wrong. Try again.

@sucubaz

2 ай бұрын

@@lnvincibleMark mind u, she still put a fight and could easily just take out the black order on her own. keep being wrong 😂

@lnvincibleMark

2 ай бұрын

@@sucubaz then how come she didn’t? Lmfao. You say “puts up a fight” yet she needed help from Natasha and captain America? Lmfao you’re always in the wrong but then again wanda Stan’s like you never have the facts to back you up. Anyways keep upvoting your own comment since no one else who watched the movies or reads the comics agrees with you. 🤣

Loved how you used a statement feat of Infinity Gauntlet Thanos of "shredding the universe to its last atom by snap of his fingers" but at the same time when wanda has statement feats like "she can destroy the whole cosmos(multiverse)","she is meant to rule all of the multiverse" you completely neglected them and stated that she has no universal or multiversal feats when she quite literally destroyed the darkhokd in the whole multiverse. Destroying a single darkhold burnt a sorcerer alive so the power output to showcase that feat is simply high universal if not multiversal. MoM wanda snaps thanos,IW thor and cap marvel in half.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

i go over this 9:00 - 10:10

@_exsencefx

4 ай бұрын

and its debunkable @@KindaSubpar

As a wanda fan, I watched this video fairly and I don’t wholeheartedly agree with some points. The disregard for Wandavision (although mentioned quickly) is insane because it was pointed out several times how immensely powerful wanda was even before she became the “scarlet witch” and the events of MoM. Here are my overall thoughts while watching: “Wanda’s Power”- I expect wanda to get one shot on various physical combats since she was literally just a teenager that was experimented on with no physical training until being released in Ultron (yes, this is her weakest version) but to be inexperienced and her first time out in the field. She proved to be formidable opponent in Ultron. In CW, the points are fair because she was still under training and could’ve avoided most of the destruction she caused. Her fights in IW & EG, the first one was something caught off guard but her reaction time still was able to prolong the fight until backup arrived (which were a super soldier and a trained russian assassin, I hope would hope they win. She was able to dodge, evade, somewhat fly, and protect vision while still fighting. I think Wanda being compared to Thanos with the infinity gauntlet is a statement alone that describes her power scale. She was able to destroy the stone and hold thanos back regardless if thanos could reverse time (he had the stones, and was meant to win). She then went toe to toe with Thanos. Wandavision has a multiple evidences to show how Wanda is a multiversal threat. When she subconsciously reality warped westview, the feat alone confirmed that she’s a nexus being and has the power to affect their reality. “The Scarlet Witch is not born; she is forged. She has no coven or need for incantation. Her power exceeds that of the Sorcerer Supreme. It is her destiny to destroy the world.” was literally in the darkhold created by Chthon ( the harbinger of chaos magic). Mind you, she also created the hex out of grief and had no prior knowledge until made aware. Even Agatha (a powerful witch) sensed the hex, used the darkhold’s magic to conceal herself inside Wanda’s Hex. The only way agatha could prevent wanda’s magic was ruins and absorption in an given area but wanda quickly learned that skill and used it against her. That reaction time is never talked about. To makes this shorter, her feat against the illuminati is what happens when you do vs. battles, whoever the writer wants to win, will win. Most of her time in MoM were spent dream walking (which is a powerful spell, not all can do) her 838 version still was a weaker yet powerful version of wanda. Her speed is that of a normal human so idk why it seems she has to foresee and block all physical attacks. That has never been her fighting style in the first place, she is a magic user at the end of the day. The comparison to Supreme Strange is out of bounds because what if? are different possibilities so really anything could happen over there. Our main strange was struggling against darkhold wanda so. Also, this is no hate towards the video and creator.

@ebenezerstooge

3 ай бұрын

People love to overhype her “feats” for some reason and it really puzzles me as to why. She has power. I won’t deny that but not on the level of which you guys make her out to be. Even In her current comics right now her power level isn’t at the level that her Twitter fans makes it up to be. There’s a reason why people disregarded westview cause even though she was able to enslave an entire town it wasn’t like she was able to keep it up for long. Even the show shows that this has limitations into her as well and that she couldn’t keep up the magic barrier for long which by the way people were still able to enter it. She struggled to fight with a nerfed version of vision here, she had to heavily rely on the other avengers in age of ultron to take out the “main one” and she only did that after all the other avengers took out the replicants that came about . And it’s funny people bring up iw and eg as abilities or to buff her up since even in those films this shows that wanda is more or less a glass canon. Shes powerful sure but she’s also just has no normal sense of durability. She was taken out with one back hand in infinity war by a thanos who didn’t even have all the stones yet. She was flown across the screen by a simple projectile. So as powerful as she appears to be and what she can do her lack of durability is her own undoing. Also the scene you’re talking about she was only able to break one infinity stone which is the mindstone that she had a connection with. That was the only stone she could break not to mention thanos was pushing through whatever holding back ability she had . And here’s the thing about statements. Unless they’re shown in the movies or in the comics statements aren’t canon. This has been established multiple times that statements are not canon unless they appear in the comics. Further more classifying Wanda as a multiversal threat is just inaccurate. How is she a multiversal threat if she can’t affect the multiverse without the darkhold? How is she a multiversal threat if she can’t survive a building falling on her by the end of mom? Even strange wasn’t confronting Wanda directly and he was able to temporarily incapacitate her for a brief moment to save America. And mind you he was only dream walking and using a variant that wasn’t even alive at that point. She’s a multiversal threat but she gets easily nerfed by nerfed Strage and America Chavez who at most was able to break glsss with her powers? Also dream walking is something you can do within the universe as long as you know how to weirld magic. Steange was able easbld to do so and he wasn’t on her power level so this is just not true. Sorry but I disagree with almost everything you said. Respectfully

@lnvincibleMark

3 ай бұрын

People LOVE to overhype statements and scenes and shows they like to take out of context in order to amp up wanda with abilities and power levels she doesn’t have and I never understood why this was a thing. They like to use statements, which honestly mean nothing unless its shown on screen or on paper and equate those to feats. Which aren’t the same. I can make a statement that’s not true so all of that it just more or less opinions at the end of the day. You bring up age of Ultron while this shows she has “abilities” this also shows that she’s not the powerhouse you make her out to be. On multiple occasions she was taken out by hawkeye of all people and was only able to do the damage she did after she was freed in most cases. She had to get the drop on thor mind you because she knew that if she confronted her directly she would’ve been torn to shreads. This was also stated by the Rusos that Wanda relied on diversions and stealth as opposed to direct combat. Something she also stated in uncanny avengers mind you. And mind you that most of this came about because of the OTHER avengers taking out the variants of Ultron. Now the thing about statements is that like I said before, they have to be shown in the comics in order to have any kind of validity. Authors and kevin fegie can make all the statements they want. Unless its SHOWN, at the end of the day they’re just words without meaning. For instance wanda is not on the same level as thanos with the infinity gauntlet. Not even close . If she was she wouldn’t have been easily dispatched in those films with a simple back hand and a projectile missile. So that’s not true. That statement is not on her powerscale. Next while she was able to “hold thanos back” she couldn’t keep it up for long AND while destroying the mindstone is impressive THAT was the only stone she could take out since in wandavision we see that she had a connection to it which is the only way she was able to destroy an infinity stone. So there is a cadveate here that needs to be displayed . And keep in mind that warping westview left her open to other attacks like against white vision who almost ended her life in the same scene as well. This was Vision who had no mindstone and was basically just a droid at this point. Now here’s the thing about Wong’s statements in the movies. They’re wrong. I mean they’re just wrong since prophecies in the context of marvel were always shown to be just fly by statements that are wrong all the time. Also the show shows that she was aware of what she was doing. She just chose NOT to acknowledge it since she even said “I kept you safe” so she was aware of it. And the Chthon thing has also been retconned in comics as of late since immortal thor shows that the order was changed with Toranos. In fact she is NOT multiversal. Im sorry not even close. Maybe Universal but if you can’t impact other univeses on your own then you aint multiversal sis. Now THIS I agree with since also stan lee says this too. Whoever the writers Wants to win, they will win. So THAT I will have to agree with. The thing I don’t agree with is that Agatha is as powerful as a witch as people say she is. Cause even in the current comics, She wasn’t as powerful as the statements make her out to be. She’s powerful sure but even someone like Strange in his base form were able to take out beings and score W’s over beings who have exceeded her in terms of raw power so I reject this idea that Agatha was all that powerful to begin with. And if we were given a competent writer for the mom fight I assure you that illuminati would’ve easily taken her out.

@lnvincibleMark

3 ай бұрын

The thing though is the What if comparsions is NOT that out of bound because it shows what Strange IS capable of doing. Even the main timeline strange which had the ability to absorb America’s powers which would’ve given him a boost he needed to basically rag doll wanda. But with that being said The main strange you say struggled against wanda? Was able to overcome her briefly while not even confronting her directly . He was literally dream walking in the body of a variant who wasn’t even alive. So keep in mind this was a nerfed strange confronting wanda. What if shows the possibilities of what Strange CAN do if given the chance and if at his most poweful he is able to tank a blow from all the infinity stones? Then HE would have more possibilities than she would by far. Its not fair to disregard What if since it shows what he is capable of.

11:11 the was super close to her and in general it is really hard to react to something super close to her(a few feat), she also reacted to 838’s photon blasts while they were being shot in air, fast reaction speed

Wanda can most definitely beat infinity ultron

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

oh…

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

A simple making him short circuit, or just removing from the suit like kahori

@purpleguyy1261

4 ай бұрын

​@@KindaSubpar she beats that piece of can, 🥰

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

Can she? She couldn’t even beat thanos who didn’t even have all the stones at that time. And she only was able to beat regular ultron after the other avengers destroyed all of his variants .

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

@@lnvincibleMark you can’t compare someone who has grown from a new level of power, even if you disagree that Wanda is more powerful than infinity ultron, she has hacks easily making him short circuit and power him down

i always thought she was kind of a glass canon till Dr.Strange 2 She's strong but nothing compared to alot of comic book variations of the avengers.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

She was definitely stronger/tankier but not on that universal+ level

@sammyjackoo8246

27 күн бұрын

idk I think comparing mcu Wanda to comic book versions of other avengers is unfair and silly. tbh to compare the comic book avengers, people should use comic Wanda to make it fair, not mcu.

The barbz and Wanda stans needa be in the same room.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

Add cardi b stans in there too

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubparthrow Ariana stans in there too and I’m game for that 😂

Wanda Stans yeeting their comments lol what else is new?

Hilarious

She doesn't use cmbr she produced it from her reality warping.

Good video Now i’m Not a wanda stan but some stuff needs to be corrected in my humble opinion -Wanda’s reaction speed wanda was able to react to captain marvel photon blasts (after they been shot at her) which should at least move at the speed of light (according to Elizabeth Olsen wanda838 is weakened somewhat) - wanda being glass cannon not true she took punches from America, Chavez and these punches can accidentally break hard glass (stronger then normal glass according to dr strange girlfriend ) and can destroy a brick wall and send shock waves (not multiversal ofc ) that should give her super soldier level durability you can make an argument that she has auto shielding is she has shown it in the fight with the sorcerers and Ultron robots finally she has healing factor as she fixed every bone in her body after moving through the mirror dimension to the real world ( she didn’t use it in earth838) but that again could be because she was somewhat weakened -captain marvel can beat her that’s a no because in the body of universe 838 wanda she defeated Captain Marvel by absorbing her power so 616 wanda can logically, do the same thing if not better since she was weakened in 838 ( it was confirmed by the director that she did absorbs the energy of Captain Marvel before killing her) -her fight with the children of thanos in the beginning of Avengers infinity war according to The Brothers , the directors of the infinity war movie she was not focused on beating Thanos children, and she was focused on saving vision which gave children of Thanos away to beating them -the darkhold feat it was never stated that destroying the darkhold tower can cause the destruction of the other darkholds of the multiverse as that tower is where the darkholds of earth 616 are copied from nothing mentioned about it being the source of the other darkholds in the Multiverse ( according to the versus battle wiki destroying an object across infinite universes is high universal feat ) which is wanda’s best scaling Now wanda scaling rang from planetary according to agatha statement in wanda vision to universal do to the darkhold feat and the sorcerer supreme statement that she is prophesied to either rule, or annihilate the Kosmos, as in the universe( not the multiverse) -Finally according to what if s2 wanda can create portals to different universes ig she never had the chance to learn this in the main universe idk tbh Now as for characters that can beat her my money is on -phoenix from the fox franchise ( she merged with the phoenix in the end of dark phoenix movie which according to the alien queen vuke “ is the spark that gave life to the universe” and “the greatest force in the galaxy” and we saw the force creating and destroying a planet in the movies -The celestials according to the directors, the technically created stars and the big bang in the mcu -infinite Ultron / strange supreme/ dormammu/watcher / infinity gauntlet Thanos their scale Rangers from universal+ to complex multi

@lnvincibleMark

3 ай бұрын

You do know that most of this stuff you stated is not actually accurate right?

@lnvincibleMark

3 ай бұрын

First off Wanda’s reaction speed was based off of her prep time. She was still within captain marvels photon blast and she was able to see it coming so it’s not like she didn’t have prep time. This doesn’t count Second Wanda being a class canon is true because America Chavez first off don’t have the power set you claim she does . She’s only able to break glass at most and maybe a brick wall but wanda was literally getting rag dolled throughout the whole thing. Also you see that she was avoiding a lava pit. Now if she wasn’t the glass canon you say she was she wouldn’t be needing to avoid it and America wouldn’t have been able to literally toss her around like a sack of potatoes. Her healing factor was due to her magic as well as we’ve seen in past scenes her magic can and was nullified by Tony’s tech and war machines very own sound canon. That and also she was easily back handed in infinity war and almost taken out by white vision. Doesn’t really say durability if you ask me.

@lnvincibleMark

3 ай бұрын

So there’s no such sign of her absorbing captain marvels power: that’s not a thing that was shown. If you can’t show it in the movie then she never did it. I don’t care how many interviews Kevin feigie gives unless it’s shown it’s not canon. That’s always been the standard. Also her fight against the children of thanos she needed to be saved during multiple instances. It doesn’t matter what her goal was her needed to be save is still her needing assistance. The what if and how’s are not relevant . So as one dimensional as captain marvel is with a competent writer there’s no way she could’ve done what she did espiciallg in a smaller variant as 838 wanda. That’s not possible. So this is a myth with this weird darkhold antifeat cause it was never shown or explained how the other darkholds were destroyed. This doesn’t scale her to multiverse I dunno how you figure that but her powers were never able to affect the other universe since that why she needed Americas power in the first place. She was only able to take out the one in the mountain and the one that strange used that’s all. She didn’t take out the Darkolfs in the other unvisrses. Let’s get that straight now. You know how I know this? Cause the darkholds in the comics exist and since they’d share the same multiple universe then technically if what you said is true then that should’ve been removed as well. She doesn’t have that kind of power. Even the 616 wanda doesn’t . Mind you also now there are two darkholds in the 616 the one that wanda absorbed and the one that agatha created who’s ankther living darkhold. See here’s the thing about throwaway statements. They’re not meant to be taken literally. Propheieai and weird stagnant like what Agatha made are just that. They don’t scale feats they don’t show power. If it’s not in the shows or comic pages it’s not canon. And also we’ve seen Wanda literally get pegged by strange in mom where she struggled with a nerfed steange who didn’t even confront her directly and in what if she got zapped by a base thor. So this doesn’t help your argument to be honest. Also if wanda could do what you say she could she wouldn’t need Americas powers. There’s so much that you’re missing in term of context. This is why statements aren’t a viable definition of feats. Becusse if that was true then wanda in the comics would be able to take out the entire Omniverse and have no problems but with Steven Orlando’s recent run that’s not happening and even in Jed Mackey’s current avengers run wanda couldn’t even fight the twilight court on her own. She even cast a spell to get thors help. So yeah. There you go. Oh and Also the heirschy was recently changed by Al Ewing

@Memeinaround

3 ай бұрын

@@lnvincibleMarkpeople act like comics don’t exist lol

most of your talking points are very very flawed and can easily be debunked and i dont even care for wanda

Wabda broke most of her bones including her neck bone and she stiched hersealf back togeather now thats a regeneration feat that supasses Logan and dead pool so one of the fastest regenerations in marvel in general not just the mcu wanda has been seen to be able to react to her child tommy(the one with superspeed) and her brother aswell making her reacion speed atleast the speed of sound now i don't know if this is the same in live acion but in marvel comics the speed of thought is faster then the speed of light if this were true in live acion aswell she could defeat most speedsters in ficion and im saying most not all also in what if the only powerful feat we have seen supreme strange do that can't surpass wanda is destroying his universe we also saw how strange summoned multiple dragon heads to attack infinity ultron and they had almost no effect while when strange summoned zombie wanda who is about infinity war wanda level damaged him but he recivered fast onestly the only thing thats keeping wanda from becoming multiversal is multiversal travel which we saw her do in what if season 2 as Wanda merlin now thecnically wanda merlin is infinity war wanda meaning if wanda learned how to she could open multiversal portals easily(im sorry if I spelled some things incorectly)

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

-LMFAO yeah No she didn't. At least not without using her magic as a crutch but without that no she can't regenerate her body like that. Even in the newer comics she said that she cant raise the dead or have control over life anymore so this isn't a thing. She has MAGIC that can regenerate her body but as far as an inate skill that she can do on her own without magic? No. Also with the presence of Mysterium thats not even possible for her. - Now are you confusing this with PREP TIME? Or are you taking scenes out of context? In the MCU a lot of her "speed feats" are usually just reaction time and shes got prep on her side. Now in the comics she can react to certain attacks and such and what not but against her brother? Shes been known to NOT be as fast as pietro. She even stated that Quicksilver's speed is unlike she's ever seen . So again maybe she has some decent reaction time but as far as speed goes? With her magic shes just a normal human. Again this basically wanda relying on her magics. - Now you're referncing What if right? Ok well in What is Supreme strange has shown to be able to surpass wanda in destroying the universe as he even SUMMONED her Zombie Form as werll in that episode. Not only that but even with all of those weapons against him and even a hit from the infinity stones? Supreme strage was able to tank all of that. He came closer to taking out the universe than she did and she was supposed to be as a prophecy. But prophecyes are wrong all the time. Especially in the comics. But What if in general is basically just au continuity. There is questionable cannicity when it comes to What if.

@Geralddd966

17 күн бұрын

Magic bro

6:23 I think she did actually move like that because she did the same thing in AOU but maybe that was also just how it was perceived

if wanda/scarlet witch goes full potential every person in the mcu would be in danger

@ebenezerstooge

2 ай бұрын

She’s full potential right now in the comics and she even got pegged by Scott summers. What are you talking about?

@sammyjackoo8246

27 күн бұрын

@@ebenezerstooge no offense but this is incorrect. wanda right now in the comics is still significantly weakened from Chthon being trapped inside her. she is also a consistant multiversal power set but notoriously holds back and AvX was 10 years ago before Wanda reached her peak. At her peak she can be scaled to low outerversal too btw. If you dont believe me the fact she is going up against the griever soon who easily defeated the likes of molecule man, silver surfer and franklin richards, and can be scaled to outerversal should make you.

@ebenezerstooge

27 күн бұрын

@@sammyjackoo8246 How would that weaken wanda right now? Wouldn’t that be a significant amp that she has an elder God trapped inside of her? And even if what you say is true then how is she anything beyond base multiversal if she can’t accomplish half of what you say? Regardless of having an elder god inside her or not? Also if she was constantly multiversal then she wouldn’t have earthly elements contradict her powers or even have something mysterium cancel out her powers. And was never outdrverdsl either this was just a misconception . And as far as her going up against griever she’s going up against her but not by herself mind you as were shown that she’s basically letting chthon do most of the work for her. We were literally shown that she doesn’t have the power by herself to take on griever. She’s gonna have major assistance from quick silver, vision multiple others probably and chthon as well. So if anything she’s letting chthon do the work for her.

@ebenezerstooge

27 күн бұрын

@@sammyjackoo8246 and just to bring up your other points that you referenced here I need to add some much added context. 1. It wouldn’t matter if Wanda is “significantly weakened” with chthon trapped inside of her. In fact Steve Orlando didn’t say anything about her being weakened. Just that she’s not getting a significant amp in power and he’s been consistent with that since recently he showed that she needed to let chthon out of his cage just to escape the trap that wizard set for her. 2. She’s not consistently multiversal as she’s shown to be kinda average as of late even if this was true then technology from earth should interfere with her magic like it did in Jed Makays avenger run. So this is a contradicting statement. She has multiversal feats but she’s not consistently multiversal especially when she’s shown to also have limits to her magic as well. 3. AvX was shown that wanda also had a lot of help if not half of expelling the Phoenix force from hope summers so that’s also context that’s needed. 4. She’s also shown that she’s not outerverssl even at her most powerful. When she goes up against griever she’s going to lose at first. I can guarantee she won’t be beating griever in their first round and she won’t be beating griever by herself that’s for sure. We’re show in the current mini series that Wanda’s power wasn’t even enough to beat wizard who was amped by grievers magic and abilities. And that was barely enough for the to escape and regroup. Second as the comic states , it wasn’t Wanda who escaped their battle with wizard it was chthon who she had to let out to use his powers briefly in order to escape. And that was just to escape an amped wizard. So she’ll probably fight griever and she’ll probably save the day like it’s typically shown in comic series and such. But she won’t be doing it by herself and certainly not with conditions as Steve Orlando likes to show in his comics. So yes she is going up against the griever. But no she’s not going to win, at least not at first and not without conditions or by herself I’d not heavily decided on the people who fight by her side like Joseph and Darcy in sw 10.

@sammyjackoo8246

27 күн бұрын

@@ebenezerstooge it has been confirmed by Steve Orlando when Wanda absorbed Chthon she now always has to donate some of her power to keep him there, and we can clearly see this in her power sets of current. When i said consistanly multiversal i didnt mean 100% of the time also im pretty sure that mysterium is very powerful it blocks out all magic even on such a high scale. also where was this misconception suppposedly confirmed? and where was it stated she will be letting chthon do the work for her, pls im intrigued. i agree wanda right now doesnt have the power to beat the griever. also yes i know quicksilver may be helping her but where is this knowledge of the others? anyway it does seem clear that may wanda not beat the griever she will go into direct hand-to-hand combat with her putting her on the same level there as ss, mm and above franklin. but this is just my opinion i see where youre coming from

You earned a subscriber bro

Yeah. Wanda in the comics is WAY more powerful. I like the MCU version though with her character development.

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

Yea every character is heavily nerfed in live action I love the Scarlet Witch and her whole story arc, this video made a lot of people assume otherwise lmao

I agree with most of this but the only reason captain marvel died to a statue is because Wanda absorbed her powers making her very vulnerable.

@KindaSubpar

2 ай бұрын

Yea I still stick by everything I said but Wanda absorbing Captain Marvels power was an oversight by me. I still don’t feel she’s as powerful as the 616 version however

@ebenezerstooge

2 ай бұрын

They didn’t even show that though that’s the thing lol. That just shows how bad the writing has gotten

I know you tried to make this video SEEM as unbiased as possible, but you failed. The way downplayed Wanda's durability and power is insane. So I'll be debunking a few of your points and I'll explain how she can she scaled into the multiversal tiers. 1. You said Wanda "unfortunately has a durability issue she never got rid of", then you proceed to use her getting one shot by an electric arrow and her shield getting penetrated by the ultron bots. I do agree with the first one but you completely ignored the context of the second one. The reason the ultron bots were able to break through Wanda's shield is because she was distracted while telling the people behind her to run, she wasn't 100% focused on keeping the shield up so that's why the ultron bots broke through it so easily. You also say she never got rid of her durability issue which is a lie, Wanda's durability, in terms of both her body and shields improve alot throughout her appearances in the mcu, her shields in particular improve and advance so much so that she can fight her opponents while simultaneously using her shields to protect herself from all attacks coming from all directions like she did when she fought Kamar-taj and the ultron bots in MOM. Her physical durability also improves alot and is also augmented by her instant regeneration. 2. You also tried to downplay her feat of defeating vision in Civil War by saying vision didn't fight back at all, which is true, but not because he didn't want to but because wanda was controlling his powers via the mind stone, if you watch the scene again you'll see that vision's mind stone glows red indicating that wanda took control of it and his powers, that's why Hawkeye suddenly fazed through visions arm, it's because she made that happen, there was no way for vision to actually fight back against Wanda, and in the scene its literally stated that Wanda was superior to vision cuz Vision said Hawkeye couldn't overpower and Hawkeye responded and said but " but she can" referring to wanda. 3. You also said that Wanda struggled to keep up with proxima midnight because she was a superior hand to hand combatant, which I agree but for some reason ( probably to downplay her even more) you never mentioned her actually beating proxima in that fight when she outmanoeuvred and threw her aside to go help vision with the other dude which she easily beat as well, so it's safe to say their hand to hand combat skill is pretty much equal with proxima's slightly being above hers. You then said if cap and black widow didn't show up she probably would've died in that 2v1, which ur probably right but let's not assume, I mean she is superior to both of them in power and she only needs to hit them once to incapacitate them for a while, on top of that she has telekinesis which would help her alot but I digress. You also said proxima still puts work in her in the battle of wakanda as if proxima didn't sneak her, they never had an actual fight in that scene but may I add wanda was the one who finally defeated proxima midnight since both black widow and okeye couldn't beat her in hand to hand combat while wanda did when they first fought. 4. You then say Wanda was able to destroy the infinity stone because she was somehow linked to it, this is not true, it was never stated anywhere. Vision only stated that she was the only one with the power to do it which simply just means she's the only one powerful enough to do it, which already scales her above all of the avengers in power. You also downplay her holding thanos back while simultaneously destroying the mind stone by saying thanos was impressed and not overpowered, which yeah she didn't overpower him but thanos was clearly struggling to get through that beam seen by his face expressions and him needing to use his other hand to push forward, he was also sent back a little when wanda first fired at him. 5. In terms of speed you said Wanda blasted fietro but it wasn't impressive since he wasn't even moving, but u fail to mention that wanda has reacted to pietro on multiple instances, like in AOU and she also reacted to and halted Tommy using her powers while he was running uncontrollably so she can react, very easily at that to speeders such as pietro. And when she snuck up on agatha, that wasn't just how she was perceived it was actually how fast she was running, you fail to understand that wanda can augment all of her physical stats. And you also tried to use wanda almost being killed by white vision to elicit this false concept of wanda always having to be saved, but white vision caught wanda off guard in that scene, if wanda knew he was a threat she could have very easily beaten him without the need of any help. You also seem to downplay Wanda's durability here as well, like I know white vision would've probably crushed her head in but the fact that it took quite some time to actually do it is very impressive on Wanda's part, you can also hear her scull cracking while he was doing it meaning wanda suffered alot of internal head damage and she continued to walk it off like was nothing. 6. You also say she fails to get into Kamar-taj with brute force and ur implying that she couldn't, which is not true, if wanda was able to destroy an infinity stone then she could definitely break through that shield if she tried hard enough, she just didn't because she did want to tire herself out because as we see after trying to attack the shield for the last time she was breathing heavily, so she instead uses mind control to get herself in which is very smart on her part. I think the entire point of that scene was to showcase just how smart, strategic and tactical wanda is, she's not only a formidable threat because she's powerful but also because she's smart, even being able to find a way to get out of the mirror dimension without the need of teleportation or sling rings, not even the ancient who has decades of experience with it over her could figure out how to escape it. 7. In the last bit of the mind control section of your video, u pretty much summarize the entire rest of the movie, but u left out a very crucial feat of Wanda's power, after wanda finally catches up to dr strange and he already has the book of vishanti, he tried to attack her but wanda overpowers him one shotting for the 2nd time in his own movie and also more impressively destroying the book of vishanti. The book of vishanti is one of the most powerful objects in the mcu, it is stated it can give you whatever you need to defeat your enemy no matter how powerful they are, basically making this book damn near omnipotent ( I'll get into this more once I explain how wanda can be scaled into the multi tiers) and wanda was able to destroy it with only one attack that wasn't even meant for it. She then beat dr strange again via one shot after overpowering and destroying the spirits of the damned and Wong. Scaling wanda to multi: You say Wanda has no feats to scale her to multi before MOM, which isn't true, wanda destroying the mind stone which contains an infinite amount energy would scale her to high universal which is a tier very near multiversal, she also recreated the mindstone when she revived vision in wandavision ,and yes it was real stated explicitly in the show, which means it also contained an infinite amount energy which wanda created which is a feat that also scales to high universal. In MOM she destroyed the darkhold in every universe it was in throughout the multiverse, and the multiverse is infinite in size which means logically there's also an infinite amount of darkholds throughout the multiverse which wanda destroyed, a common misconception is that Wanda destroyed all the darkholds by destroying Mount Wandagore which then caused a chain reaction, destroying the other darkholds as well, this is wrong since it was never stated that the darkholds were linked to the castle in any way and that is proven by the fact that when that black girl destroyed the book version of the darkhold, the rest weren't destroyed along with it, meaning they weren't linked in any way. It was explicitly stated in the movie that wanda, SHE was the one who destroyed the darkholds in every universe, it would've been clarified in the movie or by the writers if it was a chain reaction. This feat also scales to High universal since she destroyed an infinite amount of matter. Now onto the multiversal scale, in 838 we are told that the illuminate was able to defeat their thanos, who at that time had obtained 4 infinity stones by using the book vishanti, although we don't know the full extend of the book of vishanti's power, this tells us that it at least is more powerful than 4 infinity stones which all contain an infinite amount of power which would scale the book of vishanti into multiple layers of infinity ( at least 4) which would account for the multiversal tiers. Wanda who was possessing a massively weaker body than her own at the time was able to destroy the book of vishanti with little effort which means 838 wanda also scales into multiple layers of infinity, also making her multiversal, but 616 Wanda is WAY more powerful than 838 Wanda meaning she also scales into multiple layers of infinity above her and the book of vishanti. I can't exactly determine their approximate scaling but the point is that Wanda scales far into the multiversal tiers, you could also argue she scales into the outerversal tiers using another scaling but I won't get into that.

@EternalPayne

Ай бұрын

Another Wanda Stan 🙄 She's not multiversal, she's a Hela victim

@kungawogcelu9898

25 күн бұрын

@@EternalPayne false

you failed to cover some pretty good ones, like when the MCU evidently hinted her nexus being status in wandavision (i believe episode 7). also you didn't talk about what WHAT IF as a reference even though u said you're gonna talk about her MCU feats. speaking of, here are some you also didn't talk abt: - durability: Scarlet Witch was able to tank a Magical missile shot by an eldritch magic Canon without a scratch, the ability to heal her body completely after being disfigured from coming out of mirror dimension. - open multiversal portals: *Merlin scarlet witch* opened a portal through the multiverse to summon cap carter which surprised the watcher himself (a fifth dimensional, nigh omniscient being) - *darkhold prophecy* (quoted by the sorcerer supreme and agatha harkness) : "the scarlet witch is not born she is forged, she has no coven, no need for incantation (in and of itself an op magical feat) it's ur destiny to destroy the world" "the scarlet witch is a being of unfathomable magic, she can rewrite reality as she chooses, and is prophecised to either rule or annihilate the cosmos" - fooling strange with an altered reality hex, and him stating “I have no way of defeating Wanda” - absorbing the power of cap marvel varient right before photon blasting her. and reacting to her hits (which are speed blitz)

the delusions.. wanda is the most powerful in the mcu.. and how could you say her warping isn’t uni-multi when she destroyed the darkhold in every universe.. that is quite literally a multiversal feat with statements to back up seeing as she was stated to have unfathomable power by wong which is a synonym for limitless.. don’t make videos if you can’t scale this shit is embarassing

@dillonhall-km3gq

4 ай бұрын

exactly

Wanda fans love to take statements out of context lol. They’re the same type of people who think Wanda can affect the multiverse even though she can’t travel to other universes

@IcAnClips1

Ай бұрын

She could if she practiced, we saw in what if Wanda Merlin was able to summon captain carter and pull her into 1602 universe so all Wanda would need is more understanding of her power, just like agatha said power isn’t her problem it’s knowledge

@ebenezerstooge

Ай бұрын

@@IcAnClips1 this makes no sense what do you mean if she could practice? She was literally the scaler witch here with her powers and she still couldn’t do anything other than block for and get grounded by him. So your logic makes no sense. She was already knowledgeable if she was his consort. So if her power isn’t her problem, and it’s knowledge then in both casss she’s still not powerful or smart enough. In either case your argument falls flat Again your head canon doesn’t reflect the scene shown in what if. You’re wrong

@Donnie-Danko

Ай бұрын

@@IcAnClips1wanda Merlin was literally smarter and had more practice with chaos magic than mcu wanda did (same Wanda by the way) and she literally gets flattened by Thor. Which btw doesn’t have the all father. So basically you’re wrong on all accounts

@IcAnClips1

Ай бұрын

@@Donnie-Danko I said Wanda Merlin was smarter but Wanda Merlin is infinity war Wanda not scarlet witch. But that still doesn’t matter I was proving that chaos magic is a multiversal force and all Wanda needs to access the multiverse is more knowledge

@Donnie-Danko

Ай бұрын

@@IcAnClips1 there the same person. It was proven in what if that they’re the same person lol. Scarlet witch and wanda are the same person in both what if and the mcu timeline. You don’t know that cause you don’t watch the movies or the shows lol. And no chaos magic is NOT multiversal. If it was then she wouldn’t need to use a darkhold to dream work nor would a small lighting bolt take her out lol. Facts > you.

referring to the pre blocking comment that's called an auto shield and its a hax her magic will react on its own which is shown in mom in her fight vs captain marvel

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

she has her hands up ready to block before the beam is shown. her shield isn't automatic or else she would never be hit which she is multiple times

@_exsencefx

4 ай бұрын

it is auto there's a literal shot where her shield goes up and protects her from something which isn't in her direct sight and it should only be assumed her auto shield works when she's using her chaos magic which you can't use any pre scarlet witch moments as an argument @@KindaSubpar

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

@@_exsencefx hit by cannon and punched in the mouth by America both in the same movie

@_exsencefx

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar mind you she wasn't actively using her magic in either scene LOL so you validated my point

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

she wasn’t using her magic…when she was flying in the air zapping people? ok!

I agree with almost everything however the healing factor after MoM needs to be taken into account. Because we see Wanda shrugging off or successfully blocking attacks that would’ve taken her out prior to. Aka ultron bot blasts vs Captain marvel blasts. As far as comics go, it shouldn’t factor in the “instant” case because everyone from abstracts to alpha level have been tagged by weaker and slower attacks despite having the powers to prevent this and previous feats that contradict those scans. She’s definitely not universal or multiversal though.

Well honestly whether or not base this off feats after endgame released the CEO announce, she was the most powerful hero in the MCU/Avenger, and last time, I checked Thor and Captain Marvel where both Avengers, so it doesn’t really matter about opinion when if this fight was to play out, she would definitely win. Also both the captain Marvel have the exact same amount of power it was that Wanda was Absorbing her power, which made her weak Which is why she died from the Statue, and please keep in mind that almost everyone in the comments section is disagreeing with you And if she can dodge photon blast then I reckon she’ll be able to dodge Stormbreaker with her magic shields now. I agree that she is a planetary threat as of right now, but she does have a high potential to become a universal threat and with America’s power at a full potential disc scarlet which could maybe become a multiverses threat and as I also said, she just really learned her power, she doesn’t even know a quarter of what she is or what her power is, and she’s already powerful enough to be Doctor Strange Marvel, Thor and others she was given multiple opportunities to just kill Doctor Strange, but I think they didn’t do that obviously because they didn’t want to kill off the hero in his own movie and no one even defeated defeated Wanda showing you that no one is able to beat her when it comes to characters or heroes. There is still dorm but if we’re gonna be honest, I don’t really imagine your mom going after Wanda Same with celestial so with her in a fight with Thor, it’s just that she would be willing to kill him before he knows What she’ll do and when it comes to durability, I will be honest with you her durability in the past was a baselevel human being but now it’s definitely much much above a human being. If she can take a punch that shockwaves, without even getting knocked out my opinion, she is not the most powerful necessary character in the MCU, but she’s the most powerful hero Stated by the CEO of Marvel and do you want to Argue with CEO of Marvel??? And when it comes to reality, warping, no captain MU, as of right now is immune to that and Wanda is willing to kill people, clearly not to mention durability doesn’t count if she can just absorb it, she can absorb Thors lightning blasts if she can absorb Captain Marvel, abilities and wanda for now potential is unknown, but if all of what is doing, is not, even knowing what she can do right now, when it comes to ability feats then imagine what her reality whooping abilities could do with proper experience and training. I recommend that is definitely universal threat if she just erases everyone from existence, and there are still characters in Marvel, who I believe when it comes to live action and more stronger than her, and with her versus Thanos with the infinity comment and her right now takes long time to snap, so I reckon she’ll react first and just crush him and then remove the infinity gauntlet from his hand and then the fights over for him but this is really all my opinion and I respect yours but you have to be open to some truth Still

Tbh Wanda was ina weak body and I think that’s even stated either in or outside the movie. And I think Wanda still has potential to keep showing feats

*There is a caveat to magic in the Marvel-verse that no one seems to mention, if you don't believe in magic then it can't effect you. Let me explain. In Marvel, magics potential stems from willpower (yes, like the Green lanterns), so if you have a strong enough will power and simply don't believe in magic, then you're basically emitting an anti-magic bubble. This is backed up by numerous statements from cosmic entities in the comics regarding the creation of anti-magic materials like Uru, Mysterium, and Adamantium (yes, adamantium is anti-magic). If you believe magic is just another form of science, then you still believe in magic as a premise (like the Asgardians and Thanos). Hawkeye is immune to Wanda's power, but not immune to the mind stone which gave her power, see the difference. Galactus point blank says "if it weren't for my cosmic knowledge, your spells would be trivial words" to Stephen Strange. In order for this to work though, you have to fundamentally believe that magic does not exist and have a stronger will power than the magic caster. If either of those aren't true, then you're still effected. This does NOT protect you from physical harm caused by magical creatures/powers however, that's why anti-magic materials were created. This is NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH "ANTIMAGIC", that is another form of magic that seeks to cancel out other forms of magic and is used by beings like Black Clover, or as weapons (anti-magic constructs, again like the lanterns) like the Soulsword/Souldagger, or the weapons of the Emperikul. This "antimagic" ability functions more like a standing wave cancelling out another wave and is NOT the same thing. Reality benders can also cancel out magic in another way, by simply removing the energy used to fuel magic powers. This does not stop the magic, it just negates its actions, again, not the same thing.*

@ebenezerstooge

4 ай бұрын

Reality benders can’t actually warp against anti magic as shown in the comics Wanda’s chaos magic has no impact on mysterium. So this idea that anti magic or chaos magic can be able to withstand anti magic is not accurate. Mind you this is all recent

@blankspace178

4 ай бұрын

@ebenezerstooge Dude...Franklin Richard's, Mr. M, the God Mutant, and Jim Jaspers all have comics where they directly remove magic....wtf are you talking about??? Also I never mentioned chaos magic, because multiple people in universe state that it doesn't exist.

She’s as strong as the writers intended for her to be. Writers do not add useless statements for the sake of it. Unless we’re talking about exaggerations that are used to hype the characters up such as Spider-Man or any street level character.

@ebenezerstooge

3 ай бұрын

Unless it’s shown in the comics what she can do then that’s all writer statements are. Just useless statements. This is confirmed and stated by Wanda’s current a writer and by stan Lee as well. If it’s not on paper or in the comics it’s not canon.

@redeem5858

3 ай бұрын

@@ebenezerstooge Comics have no jurisdiction over their cinematic counterparts

@ebenezerstooge

3 ай бұрын

@@redeem5858 I mean they kinda do since marvel owns the whole thing. Hence why you see Wanda getting zapped pretty easily in what if and see her get taken out by rhody in the MCU

@redeem5858

3 ай бұрын

@@ebenezerstooge They’re based on it yes, but not every principle and statement has to coincide with what they want to portray. Wanda in the comics and mcu have vastly different origins

@ebenezerstooge

3 ай бұрын

@@redeem5858 Yeah there are going to be differences sure But they're still owned by marvel and if we're going by marvel's statements and now updated words they technically share the same mulvierse now since marvel has confirmed that the comics AND the MCU are now in the same sphere as well and even different "earths" as you say so yeah unless marvel makes it true, then statements are just that at th end of the day. Words.

but girlpower 🤬🤬🤬

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

reel.

why are all the characters thats powers are related to magic and making things and warping reality women every character that has powers from what i mentioned are women like wanda, jean grey, gwen (from ben 10), eve (from invincible), etc why women the characters that use these kind of powers and are men are very low only one i can think of is green lanterns and other lanterns

I disagree with a few things that being wanda has auto shields so speed blitz is irrelevant depending on a few factors and i'd say wanda scales to Universal based upon her destroying an infinity stone and the director stated it was a multiversal punch apparently all in all great vid

@KindaSubpar

2 ай бұрын

I’d have to strongly disagree with auto shields. If the shields were automatic she’d never be hit which she is

@Trapxz__

2 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar well there’s been multiple scenes displaying such it seems when she creates shields it’s usually facing one direction however there’s been occasions where she isn’t looking at the area and a shield appears

@KindaSubpar

2 ай бұрын

@@Trapxz__ off those instances alone it’s safe to assume that it’s not a guaranteed shield even if it was subconscious. A character with the speed/ap high enough could blitz her

@Trapxz__

2 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar I’d say it’s a 50/50 if it procks or not I’d say if it’s a 1v1 she could solo a good portion of the mcu thanos is a coin toss but anyone else I feel she could beat but her power absorption is pretty overpowered

@ebenezerstooge

2 ай бұрын

I don’t think she had auto shield. If she did then it would’ve been in mom. In mom she takes some significant hits and her magic Regens it but it’s not really auto shield I can sss maybe universal but her than that it’s just a reach, even vsbw says she can’t scale higher to that.

Fax bro. Nothing but fax

wanda stans made me sad at first. they ruin her image wanda was one of my fav marvel characters right next to spiderman etc. so i was happy of her addition in age of ultron. and no one seemed to talk abt her? then wandavision fans joined and are very annoying. but ppl arguing back downplay her. tbh i just dont care shes very powerful def most powerful woman and i hope she returns in the mcu(hopefully in better written movies💀)elizabeth does a good job playing her. and if they do show her power in the future i hope its against another powerful opponent. like doom or kang. so its a hard battle. i dont enjoy just one shot fights. plus the mcu nerfs a lot of characters yes that includes wanda, but that includes a looottt of other ones

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

yea a fanbase can definitely change the public's opinion on a character but I do agree that Wanda is extremely powerful and can beat most characters we've seen One shot fights aren't super fun but I think it's important to consider the very real possibility that some characters get one tapped But yea I think every single live action comic book character has been nerfed

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

Same the fan base also changed my likeness for Loki, because after the Loki finale now everyone just loves Loki and overate him

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

I didn’t mention him since I haven’t seen the 2nd season but isn’t he the god of stories now? Possibly making him the strongest character we’ve seen in the mcu so far

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar he’s not the strongest, he couldn’t beat someone like the watcher but he’s in the top ten, but people think he’s the ultimate being which isn’t true

Kevin fidge also said wanda is the most powerful avenger kinda prooving thor and captain marvel can't beat her

@ebenezerstooge

4 ай бұрын

Kevin feigie doesn’t write the scripts so what he says doesn’t go unless a screen writers puts this in a movie. He can say fermented cabbage tastes like pumpkin pie it doesn’t make it true: and what if debunked your statements

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

Here’s the problem when it comes to citing Kevin feigie as a reliable source. He’s not a screen writer. He’s a producer so he hired writers to write for him so he can have his opinions and he can make them public but that’s about as valid as what you and I say. Unless Kevin picks up a pen and starts penning the scripts himself what he says doesn’t hold any facts. Stan Lee himself said this as well when he was around that he hires writers to make that decision. So ultimately that’s up for the writers to decide

The hope punching wanda? Wanda let her guard down and didn't want to fight hope not to mention her being rusty

@Donnie-Danko

Ай бұрын

Doesn’t that go against the whole bit about wanda being durable or having fast reaction time?

@Juztjynx

Ай бұрын

shhh im mewing...@@Donnie-Danko

@Juztjynx

Ай бұрын

due to recent comics, no, she has better speed feats and dura feats than we've seen in a while. plus the power of the plot trancents all logic, meaning if a writer wants character a to beat character b, it will happen@@Donnie-Danko

"Mcu's Scarlet Witch is NOT as Strong as You Think" Not even CLOSE! Shes universal at most not Multiversal

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

people read the title and assumed I meant she gets beaten by someone like captain america lmaoo

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar to be fair without her powers of chaos she stands no chance against someone like the hulk lol

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

@@lnvincibleMarkthe same argument can go for the hulk as well

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

@@IcAnClips1 so it would be hulk as a human aka Bruce banner vs scarlet witch as a human: wanda Maximoff. Yeah Bruce wins.

@IcAnClips1

4 ай бұрын

@@lnvincibleMark no that’s not I’m saying, you can’t say someone without their powers vs someone who does sense there powers are part of their character

Let us just say she's being reasonable in the whole MoM movie...she could just manifest runes around the temple...about the captain marvel one if people could pay attention you'll see how she maybe absorbing the energy from her or removing her power overall...guess we still haven't seen her use much of her feat so yeah so far she only shown small fraction of her ability and in the movie we only seen her fight in a much less powered body throughout the movie and if given the chance we'll see the conclusion of her prophecy by the Darkhold and stated by wong...

I mean, read the dayum Comics. It’ll make sense of her feats in the MCU Cause the MCU is trynna recreate her feats by just hinting at her potential. They’ve not caught on to the comic power scaling. You’ll know why she is ‘multiversal threat’ if you read it. It was a foreshadowing of ‘’No more mutants’’. I mean nerfed Wanda is still a pain in the ass for the prime MCU established characters then that explains why she is the strongest.

@KindaSubpar

Ай бұрын

You can’t use comics to explain away the mcu since they’re different continuities If we didn’t see it, it didn’t happen

@nangshizungba981

Ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar we could say the same for jean grey or phonex, we have not seen it. You are basing all your allegation of the powerscaling through comics cause which one came first? Comics or movies? If your logic is applied then the phonex powers are just mouth to mouth word without facts cause most of the characters in the MCU didn’t see the phonex create. There are pages describing it and drawn but if your logic is applied then that did not happened and it’s just a myth animated.

@lnvincibleMark

29 күн бұрын

Until the comics shows this, it’s not happening .

2:20 I don’t think he could fight back

I just want to say would be able to hold a explodion when got her power 1 or 2 year and fighting thanos child she wants to protect vision not fight

11:16 She can react to quicksilver and speed

838 Captain marvel should be just as strong as 616 captain marvel the reason she got killed by a statue is cuz wanda absorbed all of her power seeing as wanda as absorbing her suit and yellow energy also there was an explosion that knocked them to the ground that was yellow to

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

There's nothing to suggest that 838 captain marvel is as strong as 616 captain marvel. But even 616 captain marvel struggled to fight against thor in her own series so This isn't really accurate. Then again MOM writing is not very consistent.

Dude u forgot when she easily catches her speedster son . Who was running at full speed.

@KindaSubpar

26 күн бұрын

Her son isn’t as fast as other fast characters I mentioned. She can still be blitzed

@camgeorge6222

26 күн бұрын

@KindaSubpar says who u cause that's ur opinion. Especially since she is also keeping up with captain marvel who is ftl. Also her husband is supersonic. Too so yea false deduction u made.

@ebenezerstooge

26 күн бұрын

@@KindaSubpar Exactly she can still be blitzed regardless of her reaction time or whatever plot armor she has. Thats a given lol . Even Steve Orlando her current writer says that she’s not infallible

@Geralddd966

17 күн бұрын

Her son only exist because she made him in her hex ,he is nothing but a hex

@Geralddd966

17 күн бұрын

​@@camgeorge6222capt marvel isn't FTL is combat only travel speed

Ok that makes no sense why would 1 Castle just be producing a infinite amount of books

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

Narratively it makes more sense than Wanda destroying them all. She simply picks up the building, drops it, and dies When the building is destroyed, so are all of the darkholds. It’s just the conclusion I came to

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

How could wanda have destroyed all the darkholds in every other universe without actually visiting them? It defeats the whole purpose of her needing to kill America Chavez for her powers in the first place.

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar exactly. that makes more sense than Steven randomly saying all the darkholds In then universe were destroyed. Unless he visited all of them, which he didn’t, there’s no way that she destroyed all of them.

@jerrynelson3779

4 ай бұрын

@@lnvincibleMark so explain she’s never went to evil strange universe yet his darkhold was destroyed

@lnvincibleMark

4 ай бұрын

@@jerrynelson3779 Wasn’t he using it when dream walking into bjs varient that was in his universe? Theres no way for him to know that she did this.

The only way i could disagree is that you keep mentioning that her durability and power is not surpassing other characters like thor,thanos etc but no one has ever thought to talk about her knowledge and how fast she thinks because speed blitzing her would definetly put her down but you know she can react to the speed of light she reacted to 838 captain marvels blast which moves at the speed of light even if that version is weak her photon blast still moves at the speed of light im just stating these facts and i just wanna prove you wrong on somethings i dont agree with

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

I mentioned it in a few other comments but Wanda was blocking before the blast was moving. Kinda like moving out of the way of a gun being pointed at you, not dodging the actual bullet after it was fired

@CyrusObina

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar that's basically what I said

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

I don’t believe her reaction speed is ftl

@CyrusObina

4 ай бұрын

@@KindaSubpar she literally reacted to a photon blast it moves at a speed of light it doesn't need to be strong and she did that while she was nerfed

@KindaSubpar

4 ай бұрын

I explain why her reaction time wasn’t ftl in my first response

You wanda haters are so weird, stay mad that she is the most powerful in the mcu other than what if lolol

@EternalPayne

Ай бұрын

U Wanda stans are so weird, if she's so powerful why does she need a book and a child 😂 Hela dogslams

@lnvincibleMark

29 күн бұрын

She’s so powerful that she gets taken down by war machine right? Lol

@sazude2

28 күн бұрын

@@lnvincibleMark Really dumb statement but ok? I like how you use a past feat for a more updated Wanda as if you thought you ate.

@lnvincibleMark

28 күн бұрын

@@sazude2 Dumb Statements is thinking that Wanda is the most poweful being in the mcu when she was taken down thor in what if lmfao. You guys are never beating the self humiliation accusations that’s for sure 😂

@lnvincibleMark

28 күн бұрын

@@sazude2 also Wanda’s current as to date is taking herself out by a building falling on top of her. I dunno what’s sadder these days. Being a wanda Stan In the comics when she can’t ever beat cyclops of being one in the mcu when even her own actress wants nothing to do with her 😂

11:21 im pretty sure wanda de powered her

This vid holds valid and invalid points….and there are some holes in this

😢

Is Wandagore not in other universes. Chaos magic itself is multiversal and she could enslave the multiverse the same way she warped Agatha. Either way, her magic works on autopilot and would save her from a lot of shit.

@ebenezerstooge

Ай бұрын

If it really works on auto pilot then how come it didn’t save her in her fight against vision if you know the mountain that fell on her? Statements without feats are just that. Statements with nothing to them.

@ebenezerstooge

Ай бұрын

Also how can chaos magic be multiversal yet it can’t affect other unvivsrsrs without assistance of an anchor? She can enslaved an entire multiverse yet she can’t even travel to it without someone’s power? Lmfao

@ethanskinner6146

Ай бұрын

@@ebenezerstooge the fight against white vision? Notice her head didn't snap so quickly, like a normal human head should. Also, the Scarlet witch is present in every universe, not just the MCU. She must've killed all the Darkholds somehow. The true Darkhold is Chthon and we haven't even met him yet.

@ebenezerstooge

Ай бұрын

@@ethanskinner6146 Yeah because White Vision held her head in place so it couldn't move. To suggest that shes got auto magic durrability when white vision, a nerfed version of Vision was able to get through the hext and almost take her out is the opposite of that. Also Wanda aka The Scarlet witch are the same person. And there are multiple varients of every character in every universe so this doerrsn't mean anything either . And how could she have taken out all the darkholds in every universe? There is No way she could have especially since the 616 comicbook universe still has their darkhold. So again marvel is just contradicting themselves. But more than likely Strange is assuming shes taken them out. She didnt take out all the darkholds. Just hers and strange.

@ethanskinner6146

Ай бұрын

@@ebenezerstooge but then why would they mention it. They cleared put it there to state that Wanda destroyed the Darkhold in every universe or most of the Darkholds.Also, how do we know 616 still has their darkhold

NO. Scarlet witch in MCu, has very powerful durability. Let's have a recap. In MoM she got punched on the face by America Chavez that punched thru mountain and SW was still standing, multiple magical arrows and magical cannons in kamartaj barely did a scratch on her. She seems to be immune to pain and her wounds when she came out of the mirror dimension her body was filled with lacerations and her body was crooked and healed instantly. So when u say that SW can be "instantly killed" is pure BS. Considering according to Agatha. That her chaos magic works on autopilot. So "instant" kill doesn't work theoretically. Plus shes telepathic. So sneak attacks thru speed wont work. And to say something like the illuminati are weaker or crap like that. Is a low blow to attempt to make an excuse why WANDA not the scarlet witch was able to defeat the illuminati easily. And yes, wanda (possessed) defeated the illuminati with Wanda's, not the SW's powers. That's why wanda cudnt heal when chasing after Dr strange. Ps: wanda siphoned captain marvels powers rendering her human. And killed her easily. The same thing can happen if she went against ANY CAPTAIN marvel variants. Despite all that. She was being "Reasonable"

You remind me my friend, he also doesn’t want to believe that some kind of witch is the most powerful but You donʼt want believe that She showed super speed and destroying of Darkhold😂 its so funny ,,If you Destroy mountain You can destroy all of mountains from Multiverse 😂 Its same like ,,If you kill Ironman in 616 he will die in All Part of Multiverse, and She created infinity stone inside hex ☠️ Scarlet witch and Wanda isnʼt same characters, Wanda is weak she is simple human with Powers but Scarlet witch is another level, «Scarlet witch is not born she is forged» and you don't see the difference between Wanda and Scarlet Witch

@Star_flop124

4 ай бұрын

Wanda is powerful. Girl she crate a new reality, she destroy the mind stone,.she almost kill thanos, she play with the avengers mind and more. Girl it's true scarlet it's more powerful but you can't say wanda Is weak, also wanda and scarlet are the same character but scarlet it's only more powerful than young her cause her power become more powerful.

@Star_flop124

4 ай бұрын

Also wanda always was the scarlet witch but she don't know.