If you would like to see an upclose shot of the 160 torpedoes, either go to my community section on my channel for some screenshots. Or go to season 6 episode 3 at 9:13. :D

@Navigathor1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@dark_ops1651 Nice Video, but I would like to add a few corrections to the section with the torpedos. The number "10 Torpedo launchers" was a speculation on the expanse fandom wiki since season 5 and other, newer numbers are more likely true. In season 6, specialy in episode 6 can following things be seen: - The pella has 6 large forward torpedo bays, 2 on each "wing" and 2 on the fore section. - Launcher_04 and MAGAZINE-a04 are labled. This suggests that each launcher (at least 4, but 6 can be seen from the outside) has at least one magazine, the "a" suggesting, that it's possible to reload additional magazines. - a torpedo magazine (they are at least shown 5 times, once in the center of screen) has 40 torpedos each. - a total of 4 Magazines are shown at the same time, but vision is limited by the onboard screen sizes. There could be other torpedo launchers, but none are ever seen and there doesn't seem to be place for more, since almost every part of the ship got shown. My personal guess on magazines would be, that an "a" and "b" magazine exists for each launcher, setting the torpedo number to 480, or 500 with some spare torpedos or special warheads. This totals to: - 6 Torpedo Bays/Launchers - at least 240 Torpedos (40 per magazine) - additional magazines possible Again, I like your video and don't want to bring bad vibes, just a correction on some stats.

@randomrealistictone2231

2 жыл бұрын

Can you do the UNN Phantom-Class?

Rocinante being lucky? Nope. It's called Bobbie being a badass.

@sr7129

2 жыл бұрын

Bobbie brought guns to a torpedo fight and won.

@HfknK

8 ай бұрын

“Good Marines shoot at where the enemy is. Great Marines shoot at where the enemy is going to be. Godlike Marines make the enemy go there.” - Bobby Draper,

The Pella can be considered a Bird of Prey, with its armaments it can really be an incredibly lethal ship. Too bad Marco didn't had a crew like the Rocinante, the latter completely wipe the floor with them and two more belter ships during their engagement and left them running with their face in their asses.

@safirouhi1651

2 жыл бұрын

Yea but none of those ships had railguns. One lucky shot pretty much evened the odds

@yourfriend8052

2 жыл бұрын

@@safirouhi1651 I’ll bet you the Granicus didn’t actually know the Rocinante had a railgun

@matthewgaviola8885

Жыл бұрын

@@yourfriend8052 Lauber was the one that got hit. Not Granicus. Also I’m pretty sure the Rocinante’s Railgun was common news at that point as it’s been months(?) into the war. And they doubted that the Rico would fire the Railgun outside of its effective range and even score a hit.

@Debbiebabe69

Жыл бұрын

@@yourfriend8052 Some unnamed mook onboard the Pella knew of the Roci's railgun, never mind the captain of a ship. The mook was worried about the effects the railgun could have in the battle and when she said 'but the Rocinate has a railgun' nobody seemed the slightest bit surprised, so the Roci having that railgun must be common knowledge.

Still impressive how the Rocinante was able to teabag it and its two friends.

@leoshnoire

2 жыл бұрын

The strength of Roci's railgun in a fight makes me wonder why more small ships don't have them.

@OceanHedgehog

2 жыл бұрын

@@leoshnoire Most small ships either aren't built sturdily enough that a railgun strapped to the hull wouldn't rip the hull of, or don't have the reactor power to power a railgun. The Corvette-class just so happens to be tough enough and just large enough to support a smaller railgun.

@leoshnoire

2 жыл бұрын

​@@OceanHedgehog In that case, I don't see why other Corvette-classes did not undergo the same modifications. Or why not mount railguns on ships larger than the Roci (i.e., Serrio Mal/Heavy Frigates, or the Pella/Light Cruisers). I understand the MCRN built those other classes to work as part of a fleet, but if their philosophy is quality over quantity... but also I just wanna see more railguns :)

@OfficialBasedologyYT

2 жыл бұрын

Plot armor

@OceanHedgehog

2 жыл бұрын

@@leoshnoire I hear you, you can never lose out with more railguns! I will point out that by the time the Roci got its own railgun (after the Ring Gates opened), the MCRN was going a massive demobilization, so they were probably strapped for cash. That said, they probably would have eventually added rail guns to their Corvette-classes, like you're suggesting, to compensate again for their fewer numbers with well armed ships.

Absolutely gorgeous, the Pella is probably my favorite ship design in the show. It would be nice to see it painted up in it's mcrn colors. The model company eaglemoss just started releasing expanse stuff, I really hope it's successful enough that they get through a bunch of the ships, would love to have a Pella model on my desk.

@DavidJC94

2 жыл бұрын

just ordered my rocinante from the website. thank you!!

@CHMichael

2 жыл бұрын

That battle is so much better described in the book - little different but much more detailed. ( the books needed the show for visualization)

@staberinde1794

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidJC94 glad to hear it :)

@ezragoldberg3132

Жыл бұрын

The Donnager is prettier than the Pella :)

@dpo1168

Жыл бұрын

I have a 3d printed Pella done in MCRN colors.

I love how the best ships in the Expanse Universe are made by the MCRN

We definitely need an episode on the Protogen Amun-Ra class stealth ship!

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, there are so many ships in the Expanse that I want to cover, but it's a bit hard to try and compete with Spacedock's videos when they were literally involved in making some of the canon for those ships. 😬 But perhaps....

@leoshnoire

2 жыл бұрын

@@dark_ops1651 I love these breakdowns too, and I think yours complements Spacedock quite well (i.e., you also cover each appearance of the ships in the show, whereas Spacedock approaches the ships more from an in-universe documentary style). Up to you of course, but will subscribe to see whatever you put out :)

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

@@leoshnoireTheir unique position allows them to make documentaries like that yeah 😁

@rommdan2716

2 жыл бұрын

Aren't protogens robot furries?

I would love to see the Light Cruiser in original MCRN color.

Always hoped they would confirm this class as being the Raptor class from the books, would be a nice reference/tie-in

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

It would have been really nice to be able to call this the raptor class. But there’s just too many differences 😔

@yourfriend8052

2 жыл бұрын

It is definitely not the Raptor class, the Raptor class was bigger, has 3 drives, a railgun, and was just too different.

Love these breakdowns, helps appreciate the show even more.

While I do agree that the other two Light Cruiser concepts look good, I am glad that they didn´t make it into the show as a background filler just as the concepts of the Heavy Frigate due to the MCRN Desing philosophy. The MCRN employs, as we all know, fewer, more powerfull ships. This also means it has fewer ship classes compared to the UN. A good example for this is the scirocco class Assault Cruiser. Compared to its size, I can hold suprisingly few marines (although they are among the best trained in the Solar System) and shuttles for simultaneous deployment (total of 36 across 3 Dropships + 12 in both rows of breaching pods), because the cruiser must also function as a combat ship (light railgun and lots of torpedoes) and a command vessel. The Leonidas class Battleship of the UN can hold and probably deploy more troops despite being a battleship and never designed as a troope deployment craft. Long story short, seeing multiple Light Cruiser Classes in the show would not fit well with the MCRN doctrine of fewer ship (classes). If the cruiser came from the UN, then the alternative concepts could have been easily used because the UN uses much more Ships and Ship classes (Just count Marsian Battleship classes und UN Battleship classes)

Long range firefight buffing ship. Adds torpedo capability, big magazines of torpedoes for sustaining barrages (or smaller number of actually overwhelming the enemies defences) AND good point defense itself. Two of those next to the Donnager at the start of the show, and Donnie would never fell.

Love this video! The expanse is already pretty underrated and seeing people break down its scifi components and analysing them just warms my heart. I hope you make a breakdown of the MCRN Donnager class battleship as well since it was one of the first MCRN battleships to show up in the series (survivors of Canterbury were picked up by the Donnager way back in s1)

Beautiful, you just want to hop on one, fly through the ring and out to the great unknown.

Awesome video! Keep them coming.

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Will do!

At first I was irritated that they changed the Pella, but by being an alternate design for the Rocinante it still serves as as an evil twin to the hero ship. And it being a missile cruiser makes it dangerous but also the perfect foe for the Roci with its high PDC coverage. Quite a brilliant addition.

Great video

I love the pella so much. My favorite ship

Also, the ship has plot-hardened armor which could be easily penetrated by slow and light PDC rounds, but able to protect from crazy-fast torpedo (10 times as faster)

@vladimir0rus

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnonD38 a peace of soft copper perfectly penetrates tanks because of speed: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge

@vladimir0rus

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnonD38 your might to continue facepalming because it is only thing you can do. Explosive used to create high velocity projectile made of copper. It is penetrates armor by kinetic energy, not by explosive themselves or by heat.

@vladimir0rus

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnonD38 "A Comp-B loaded shaped charge with a copper liner and pointed cone apex had a jet tip temperature ranging from 668 K to 863 K over a five shot sampling." But melting point of copper is 1085 °C. So you're wrong in every word you said, kid.

@vladimir0rus

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnonD38 are you stupid? your "super heated" temperature even below melting point of copper. if your speed up copper slug to 10 km/s you will get the same effect.

@vladimir0rus

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnonD38 you don't understand why it shaped as a cone. It because it need to be transformed to a high speed projectile during explosion. To focus the explosion energy. After the explosion you will have a copper slug moving at 10 km/s. If you already have high speed copper slug you don't need any explosives. The torpedo contains plutonium sphere which will act pretty much as the copper. So in our case the torpedo is just a big high speed kinetic projectile.

Luck? The Rocinante beat them with genius strategy. Flipping for railgun shots and then using the PDCs to shoot where the Pella had dodged to each time was inspired.

Still don’t get why they didn’t bother with an railgun on that design. It could absolutely fit 1 or 2 smaller rail guns. If you were to completely remove the troop/breaching pod/skiff carrying capacity from a Scirocco, it wouldn’t be that much bigger than the Pella.

@pranavtripathi6336

2 жыл бұрын

I think troop delivery aside, their space combat abilities would be similar

@will2brown50

2 жыл бұрын

To be absolutely honest railguns aren't that important in fleet to fleet engagements. Torpedo's will decide a battle 9 times out of ten. And when they dont, the Donnagers foehammers can literally one shot most ships in the UN fleet.

@Debbiebabe69

Жыл бұрын

even the larger Sciroccos only had a single light railgun. Putting railguns on frigates was a novel practice that only took in the stealth ships and the Rocinate. Pella was designed to fight from a distance, and it had the engines to outpace pretty much anything except a Donnager....

Funny, im a Rhine River Pilot. Piloting big River Cargo ships. And by us, Coffee is even more important than Diesel for our engines...

Imagine stealing an advanced martian ship, being able to fool and destroy UNN battleships, seed terror across the universe and still lose to a cowboy and his armored girlfriend in a small frigate.

To those asking why the Roci has a Railgun while the Pella does not. The reason why the Roci has one in the books is because they weren't sure whether they could always buy torpedos and so a railgun made sense as they had the space for ammo, capacitors and the gun as well as the ability to power the ship and the railgun's ammo is easier to source than military grade martian torpedos. As for the Pella, it is useful to observe the doctrine of the MCRN and especially to look at logistics. The MCRN has a doctrine of power projection over truly vast distances where resupplying is often extremely difficult. And so by looking at the Pella, it may be a cruiser but compared to the Scirocco class assault cruiser it is relatively small and so putting the light railgun from that ship onto the Pella's class of ships would probably be impractical. Therefore a new railgun would have to be produced for this ship, which entails new ammunition, new parts and new manufacturing lines, all of which would be a logistical nightmare. Edit: plus with the amount of torpedos that you can put on this thing is a railgun really necessay as presumably it can rapidly fire its torpedos, creating huge salvos the likes of which we haven't yet seen in the show. This could overwhelm the pdc defences of virtually any ship except the Donnager Class and Truman Class, before getting within railgun range. So a railgun wouldn't really be very combat effective as the cruiser likely has more advanced and capable sensors than any comparable UNN or Belter ship so it can strike hard beyond the effective range of most of its adversaries. This renders the point of the railgun useless in most engagements as this ship will likely be engaging well beyond the railgun's maximun effective range. So it made sense to not install a railgun on this class of ships as in most engagements it is dead weight which requires more parts and systems to operate, which in turn requires more of a logistical backbone when they could instead: pack more torps onto the ship; have more space for ammo, reaction mass and supplies (these being critical due to logistics, this ship needs to be able to operate independently for months at a time in war and peace time (people and equipment win battles but logistics wins wars)); have more space for more crew (this is critical for damage control and for boarding actions); have more space for the crew you have (this is good for mental health and morale); maintainance (systems can be made easier to access due to the fact that a railgun isn't taking up space and less types of spares are needed and it is easier to train sailors to maintain a ship with less systems) and finally descrease the size of the ship and drive plume which makes the ship harder target to detect and lock on.

@frederickcstacey.7520

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think that I need to add anything else.

@frederickcstacey.7520

2 жыл бұрын

Well at least I hope so, for my sanity.

@Debbiebabe69

Жыл бұрын

the effort needed to procure Martian torpedoes is VERY much understated by many people. Even the Pella herself - if you watch the Pella and two mook ships vs Rocinate battle, Pella's first couple of torpedo volleys are with Martian torpedoes, but that must have been all the Martian torpedoes she had, because after that she was reduced to firing cheap Belter torpedoes.

@Duchess_Van_Hoof

Жыл бұрын

It is worth mentioning that even if Martian torpedies were available, they would probably be the most expensive kind of munitions out there. Right after actual nukes. Tungsten rods for the railgun would probably be cheaper to aquire.

nice video my friend!! i have a favor to ask... can you do a video for the MCRN Stealth C ballistic missile platform? i belive is the most wronged ship on the expanse universe.

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

That's actually a really cool idea! Hopefully theres enough material for me to make a decent video :D

@pranavtripathi6336

2 жыл бұрын

Dude I know right! It was definitely one of the most overpowered and awesome ships in the show that barely got any attention other than that all of them were destroyed by Earth. I think each of them had 10 'planet buster' missiles which themselves contained 20 MIRV warheads, with 5 of those absolute units pointed at Earth no wonder UN was shitting themselves

@will2brown50

2 жыл бұрын

@@pranavtripathi6336 1000 nukes lmao. And presumably with all of them launched simultaneously the UNs interception rate would get severely reduced.

@pranavtripathi6336

2 жыл бұрын

@@will2brown50 Ikr. Only one of those MIRV made it past their planetary defenses but that was just one planet buster that was launched. Even if it's a 1 in 20 shot, atleast 50 would make it to earth's surface if all of them were fired at once.

I don't think Mars were that much ahead than earth. In the books and the show, it is said that Mars just came out of a new modernation program while earths navy was described to be decades old. Mars just had the newer navy. Also the fact that MCR couldn't give their new light cruiser a railgun while the UN was able to give the Rocinante one shows that Mars was behind in some aspect in miniaturized railgun tech.

@vangamer5294

2 жыл бұрын

wait is that railgun an UN design? That is very interesting!

@Tonius126

2 жыл бұрын

@@vangamer5294 yeah, it is the same design used by Amun-ra class stealth ships.

@vangamer5294

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tonius126 no fucking way, that’s sick

@JamesVDBosch

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tonius126 Where are you getting that from? just curious.

@2damaxmr2

2 жыл бұрын

It is possible Martians focused more on torp technology compared to earth.

I love your videos and keep doing it. but morrigan II Class patorl Destroyer & patrol gunboats skiff

Sir were outnumbered 3 to 1. Then it is an even fight

I dont they have 160 torpedos its too much for a light cruiser, i think it shows 40 in one of the episodes

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

We know there's 40 torpedoes in at least 4 magazines. That is the absolute least it could have.

@auxencefromont1989

2 жыл бұрын

@@dark_ops1651 the rocinante has a 10:1 torpedoes to launcher ratio, si for 4 tubes, 40 seems about right

@eds1942

2 жыл бұрын

The Roci carriers 20 torpedos. And the Pella is twice her length. Though I think the later’s load is closer to 120 which are probably for mixed situations rather than the Rocinante’s GP missiles.

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnonD38 there’s a shot with 4 magazines and each having 40 torpedoes

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnonD38 I posted some screenshots in my community section of my channel right now. KZread posts force me to make it square so the photos might not be that good. If you want to see if yourself, 6x06 at 9:13 shows a pretty good view of it.

Great video. The only thing that throws me off with the design is the odd number of PDC’s.

@michaelcook7107

2 жыл бұрын

And so few compared to the Corvette. The comparative torpedo loadout is 8 times as large, but only 3 more PDCs. For a ship that is likely meant to be either a missile barge or destroyer leader, in either case wanting to priorities point defense.

@jamesdouglas6977

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelcook7107 I think the ‘Corvette’ class having 6 PDC’s is because it is the ‘hero ship’.

@Debbiebabe69

Жыл бұрын

​@@michaelcook7107 Corvette light frigates had a relatively high PDC load and low torpedo load - they appear to be more the 'CQB escorts' for bigger ships. Heavy frigates have more torpedoes, but *LESS* pdcs than the Corvettes.... Morrigan destroyer - 2xPDC, 2xTorpedo Corvette light frig - 6xPDC, 2xTorpedo (+1 light railgun in the case of the Rocinante) Heavy frigate (Serrio Mal) - 5xPDC, 6xTorpedo Light cruiser (Pella) - 9xPDC, 9xTorpedo Scirocco assault cruiser - 1xLight railgun, 12xPDC, 10xTorpedo Donnager battleship - 2xSuper heavy railgun, 59xPDC, 14xTorpedo The Pella design seems to be to combine the high pdc count of the light frigates with the high torpedo count of the heavies, into a single cruiser package.

Woulda been interesting if Marco had power armor

The only thing i cant understand about this ship is the lack of an axial railgun .. i think simularly size earth warships do have them...

WEEEEEEEEE

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

CUTIE WEEEEEEE 🥺🥺🥺

What if the rocinante was replaced for the light Cruiser

you should've kept in where i said babebeughebejesie!!!!

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

I still have that saved on my computer 🥺

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe I should make it member only content 🤔

@graceiii1231

2 жыл бұрын

@@dark_ops1651 SHOW ME

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

@@graceiii1231 OKAY

Christ, never spotted that torpedo magazine shot, das alot of torpedo's, how do you count the number of torpedo tubes? I could only spot 4, and there only 4 on the torpedo screen or do you look frame by frame at shots of it launching torpedo's

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

Theres a really good shot of it firing torpedoes after shedding its disguise in the finale

@fabianbischoff5777

2 жыл бұрын

@@dark_ops1651 That scene is a great find, thanks! Though I think we see 11 torpedoes there - 4 in the center, 3 from the close rigger, but 4 from the distant one. It leads me to believe the much-recited 6 torpedo launchers could be true, with all but one firing a pair (like we have seen from many launchers, especially Martians) and one of the close ones just firing one torpedo.

@fabianbischoff5777

2 жыл бұрын

Looking even more closely, it could be that the launchers close to the camera also start 4 torps, with one being nearly eclipsed by the closest one. At a certain angle it seems like the unlaunched torps are already waiting next to each other, so there could be 4 launchers behind the 2 hatches per rigger, similar to the heavy frigate's outer double launchers. Also, in the center, the 2 big hatches open, but at most 1 torp seems to be launched from there; the other 3 center ones appear higher - where 3 smaller hatches sit. It could be that the light cruiser has different sizes of launchers, like the Scirocco-class.

MCRN light cruiser isn't 89m, maybe initial concept was supposed to be that, but extrapolated from airlocks, PDCs, and compared to the Chetzemoka(75 to 95m long, 29-36m wide)in S5, and to Repair Skiff(Tycho/Ceres Repair Skiff, 13.4m, official by Spacedock)in 6x05, 06, MCRN light cruiser is about 148-165m long, and 49-55m widest(front of nacelles), and 27-31m thinnest(the bow)

Well cant be that good. Its no long here

Sabakawala class

It's not so much bigger than a corvette that it would need 3 more drives. While it looks cool, that doesn't gel with the premise that a ship only needs as much propulsion as a human body can withstand in g forces.

Gonna be honest and this will be an unpopular opinion, I honestly thought the Pella was ugly. Don't get me wrong, it's still a good design with solid Martian design language throughout it, but I just didn't find it as aesthetically pleasing as say, the Heavy Frigate or the Morrigan class or the Protogen Stealth frigate or whatever class the Zenobia was supposed to be. The biggest thing for me is that the bow just looks a bit too blocky and ugly and not as narrow and angular as the gold standard of the Corvette/Rocinante.

@dredeth

2 жыл бұрын

Do you like Donnager? Pella is somewhat scaled down Donnager.

@TheAndroidNextDoor

2 жыл бұрын

@@dredeth I thought the Donnager was fine. I just couldn't stop seeing the Halo Frigate in it's design language whenever I looked at it. As for the Pella, I honestly liked the other concept designs for it more than the one they ended up going with. To me, it just appears almost too stubby for the amount of engines it has and the size of them. When I look at it, I almost feel like there should be more ship on top of those 4 engines. Which probably explains why I don't really have much of a problem with the Scirocco, despite it's also blocky appearance.

@dredeth

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAndroidNextDoor It seems to me that Pella was super capable of some crazy maneuvers and traits that would come out of that engine to ship mass ratio. And that we just couldn't see it applied in the action on screen :)

@TheAndroidNextDoor

2 жыл бұрын

@@dredeth with the placement of the engines it's not really maneuverability so much as speed and acceleration. I'd think that if it had such massive engines for a comparatively smaller ship, it would be capable of some serious acceleration. But that doesn't really help the belters much and given that we've seen the Roci do a 15G burn with only one engine, I'm not sure what the point of the four engines is beyond making the ship look cool and threatening.

Nice overview of the ship. But the recap is not necessary.

89 meters is inaccurate, it's actually about 140ish meters.

Honestly I like concept C better

laconia 😠

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

Your opinion matters the most 🥺 The Laconia video is in the works 🥺

@graceiii1231

2 жыл бұрын

@@dark_ops1651 🥺

I believe its just 40 torpedo's (which is still a lot) not 160. Otherwise great video.

@valen123456

2 жыл бұрын

The Corvette-class can carry 20 torps, a heavy frigate carries 40 (Bull said the Sario Mal in S5 carried "twice" the Roci's loadout). If you look closely at 2.08 you can see a on-ship tactical screen showing 40 torpedoes in Magazine-a04, implying the Pella has at least three others. At 89 metres the light crusier is roughly the same size as a modern Saar-6 corvette recently deployed by the Israeli Navy, which can carry 16 anti-ship missiles, 40 SAM's, 32 Iron Dome Point Defense missiles, and a number of large torpedoes, which is at least 88 missiles excluding the torps. However the Pella is more heavily built than any modern navy ship and does not appear to devote space to a hanger bay for a support craft like a helicopter that most modern navel ships do (the skiff seen in the last epsiodes came from another ship). Expanse torpedoes seem to be about the same size as modern torpedoes and anti-ship missiles and do not seem have the same diversity in size and capability of real world weapons. However given the space avaliable the Pella can still seem to cram in a good number of them, maybe not 160 but still more than 40.

@dark_ops1651

2 жыл бұрын

@@valen123456 Well put! There's actually a shot of one of the Pella's display screens showing 4 magazines at the same time. I kinda failed to put it in this video though 😅

you lost me at "beauty"

Pella means Stone in Greek fitting for belters and Marvel of God in Hebrew