This shows you for real the difference between a fast car and that extra the GT2 has.. can't quite get over how the GT2 just walks away. Not like Tim is not trying, got to hand it to Porsche and Manthey 👍

@borinvlogs

2 жыл бұрын

Extra weight on 620R

@Lucas-gb2qh

2 жыл бұрын

@@borinvlogs and the 620R has 80HP. Less unless they tuned it

@Richard_Turner

2 жыл бұрын

@@borinvlogs the 620R is about 200kgs lighter. Even with extra pancakes that isn't making it heavier 🤣

@seanreynolds3535

2 жыл бұрын

@C J B this for sure. A 620r on senna wheels will beat a REGULAR 2rs. Remember all this is a heavily modded MR. Doesn't even count. You can change the wing to AP/APR add easily a tune and exhaust to 900hp and walk a 2rs MR. The comparison means little. Do stock to stock, sure. Mclaren crippled the 620r on tiny 225/285 on 8/11. Just change that and gone.

@MrZyLeXx

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanreynolds3535 Nah the turbos in the 620R doesn't make that much power, barley the 720s does. Sure McLaren might have a shot at it after getting bigger wheels but even then the MR is designed on the Ring so the 620R will still get smacked.

Enjoyed that. Just goes to show how good Porche are. Not just fast and reliable but good endurance too.

@CharlieBeveridge

2 жыл бұрын

Porsche make amazing products. Leaders in every class. But lets not forget the GT2 MR is a modified car, custom tuned for the Ring.. If Mclaren , Ferrari, Nissan or whoever turned up with a factory or race team Ring tuned car, everyone would claim they are "cheating".

@RiasGremoryS54

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharlieBeveridgeThank you, finally someone said it. But Porsche is not the leader in every class at all and everyone with some culture know that.

@apocrypth

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharlieBeveridge this exactly. Porsches are great, but this is MR, that is seriously different beast alltogether :)

@RiasGremoryS54

2 жыл бұрын

@@Victor-wy7yc No at all, not in the slightest.

@justchirpin3080

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharlieBeveridge don’t put Nissan in the company of Ferrari or Porsche again please……

Tim doing what he does best. The 620R is very very fast but that Porsche just has the legs. Just, just, just. I cannot comprehend how quickly that thing disappeared.

Tim is a machine behind the wheel of a machine. Awesome...

Best video in a long time. Really good, brilliant and engaging discussion in the end with Tim

Since the 620R is the track oriented model in McLaren’s line up, I am slightly surprised how much it understeers. I expected the 620R to be more neutral.

@mgcharoudin

2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@jpracing893

2 жыл бұрын

Simple answer is the tyres width, it has pretty small front tyres (225) the Porsche has something like 265s or something, set up to be safe (understeer)

@DonLee1980

2 жыл бұрын

@@jpracing893 quite the contrary. A 225 front tire means it’s front limited. That means the front will slide before the back. Ie, understeer. The GT2 has wider fronts making it more neutral balamced

@srinitaaigaura

2 жыл бұрын

@@mgcharoudin Mclaren front end is so weak relative to the rest of the car that a Regera beat a Senna on a tight track.

@C42ST3N

2 жыл бұрын

@@DonLee1980 The tyre width just determents the potential grip but with the setup you can make even a car with small front tyres to a drift machine. It just depends on how much you load them.

I have been driven by Tim in GT3 RS month ago and it was amazing experience!!! He is really excellent driver and after 1 minute I felt totally safe and comfortable with him. I have been dreaming about that for years and it was fantastic. This was my first time on the ring and I will definitely come back in the future. Thanks APEX and Tim, you are awesome guys.

@ins1demanwhitaker527

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds amazing

Really shows how good the GT2 MR is, the 620R has so much push, he was really wrestling with it, By the way RUN Misha RUN, Shmee has arrived with his GT4 Cayman, stay away from the purple Porsche, Rj in Oz

What a lap!! and very good technical and emotional explanations. Won't be surprise if Tim disappeared to become a test driver someday.

I think Tim needs to hand Tim 🤣 the keys to the Senna for this test.

@mijnnaamisaaron

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@ravallewindowcleaningservi9421

2 жыл бұрын

That would be the lap....bring on the MR and Senna..

@Vincent_Stevens

Жыл бұрын

@@unexplainedwearenotalone3537 With that kind of grammar, im sure you are under-aged to even talk bout cars lmao. Porsche just beat the SVJ with the new 525 HP GT3RS, Where are the McLarens now eh? Bring on any track, This GT3RS might mow any McLaren in a Downforce track.

@Lemonssssss

Жыл бұрын

@@Vincent_Stevens The 992 GT3RS makes a peak downforce of 860KG at 180MPH the Senna makes 800KG at 155MPH and it has 800HP.

@Vincent_Stevens

Жыл бұрын

@@Lemonssssss And ur point being? At nearly 500k less, the Porsche is the one that surprises me more. The Senna is fascinating, i agree. But what Porsche has done here at that price point is way more fascinating than the Senna. I bet their new 765lt would give the Senna a hard time, or even beat it most probably

With the new settings of the camera...now you can say that you are in the car, feeling the speed. Thanks again for another quality upload!

I am a little bit late to the party... Boy, that GT2RS was out of sight pretty much after Flugplatz. Crazy.

Great lap from Tim. And great emotion, too, that's also from Tim, drawing every ounce out of it. And then the analysis. Super cool. Pure Tim. Superb.

perfect video Misha, well explained by Tim and you

That explaining part was great . Gives you much better idea of what is actually happening . Great work !

Much respect to Tim to driving to the car, and not focusing on the GT2RS to chase. Well done.

I really liked those insights from Tim comparing the two cars 👍🏻

The sense of speed in this video is incredible. GT2 RS MR makes it look easy.

Track day videos with Tim are really great. I loved the post-lap discussion.

I watched this video today on the way to the testing center where I was taking my Private Pilot Knowledge Test. I ended up getting a 92%!!! So, this video gave me good luck. Thank you, Misha!!!

Stunning lap Tim, but the GT2 RS MR is an absolute weapon.

Of all the Nurburgring onboards that I have seen, this one gave the best sense of speed. I think because of the camera angle catching the peripheral walls as they passed, it really helps the viewer to see what 140+MPH really looks and feels like on the track. This video also does a really good job of showing just hot bumpy and uneven the ring is. The static mount hood cams just don't do the experience justice. Can really see how the weight transfers and transitions affect the physics of the car here, especially when cresting hills at speed. Thanks for this!

Really enjoyed this video and driver insight. More vids like this one!!

Nice to see Tim back on the channel, nice vlog camrads

The content I needed! Thanks!

Good to see Tim at the wheel again. Excellent lap thanks.

So informative! Fucknnn spectacular! Too many people out here in the states bash Porsche (boring, not enough hp, looks like a vw, etc,) but out perform on a consistent basis and are a fraction of the cost of the exotics to maintain if you track them.

Did not expect it to be that big of a difference! Good to (shortly) meet you today Misha! Sadly my 620 & GT2RSMR laps didn't happen due to track closures etc. but the team at Apex handled it like champs. Even got a ride back to Apex in the GT2, loved that :)

@mgcharoudin

2 жыл бұрын

Plenty of other opportunities! Great having you with us!

Just shows how extremely good the porsche is! Nice lap and you're right, the McLaren looks way more exciting to drive!

@stephen300o6

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure understeer is that much fun.

@TheTechnoaddict

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephen300o6 i meant the experience. The sound, raw acceleration compared to the porsche. And for safety it's better it understeers at the limit instead of oversteer. The porsche understeers too when you are overdriving it. It just has it less quick, that's why it's better and faster.

@Dyltheboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephen300o6 understeer is a very relative term. A car that is fully capable though, will not be as fun. Especially as a driver

The little chat after the drive really made this video, thank you!

Always amazing!

We want more Tim :)

Interesting comparison!! Enjoyed that, thanks

loved this , best content for ages , more tim please

Brilliant. Really enjoyed that Misha.

Great vid as always Misha.

End of the day, it’s about how a car makes you feel. You’ll be talking about your experience in the McLaren for much longer.

We need more Tim on the channel :) Nice video as always!

There is no substitute. With or without Manthey upgrades the 2RS is king. What a car…

@TheChannel1978

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, have a hard time believing a GT2 RS is 'not emotional'. I like the 'better Golf' analogy too. Just because it's compliant does not make it less emotional for me necessarily. I own an S2000 and a GTI. They are similar cars performance wise but the S2000 demands your attention more. Great drive if you put work into it but do you every day? In a car with 2x or 3x the horse power I wouldn't want it to be on the ragged edge, Porsche know what they are doing.

@rocketing47

2 жыл бұрын

Well without the Manthey set up it would be nowhere near as quick as it was. It’s a Tuned Road Car , the 620R was stock Not a great comparison

@ACMEpowersports

2 жыл бұрын

@@rocketing47 Nah, no power increase with Manthey. Aero is better. With McLaren even if you spend 1M for the Senna (which isn’t any faster than the P1’s 6:43 around the Ring) you only gain 4 seconds on a 300k mass produced car from Porsche. The 620R is out of its league.

Another great video Mischa, one I really wanted to see, I love your honest opinions, I would like to see how a GT2 would do against a Senna. Might be a McLaren win.

Dang that just looked fast. Can't imagine what it actually felt like

Superb misha Really enjoyed that 👍👏 I’ve missed Tim

That was EPIC... really shows the gap between a fast nur car and a lap record car... amazing!

I had no idea the GT2 RS was that much faster, holly cow ... !

So "no" front grip because of the narrow Tyre but beter brakes despite the narrow front Tyres, must be magic then 😋 This is the stuff i like to watch

@ma6netho

2 жыл бұрын

maybe less mecanical grip but better downforce to break later

@SpartanG6

2 жыл бұрын

Mid engine car doesn't need the front tires to brake as much as an FR

McLaren deliberately put skinny tires on the sports series so they are not faster than the more expensive super series. But it actually also helps with emotion and feedback as you get better steering feel and the car moves around more with less unsprung rotating mass and grip. McLaren makes special cars! Hat off to the amazing pace of the GT2 RS as well!

Awesome Drivers... awesome Cars... awesome Skill. Great video and discussion at the end!

great to c Tim again n now more with the Taxi laps. thx Misha for the clarification on the right hand pass for track days, didnt know that. wen i saw the car move to the left n Tim pass on the right i held my breath for u guys n called him a dumb ass. my sincere apologies to that driver. i thought left side pass was for TF n also track days. the after lap chat was informative, thx for that guys. how wud the McLaren 620R go against the Porsche GT3 RS MR. cool vid Misha.

Gt2... KO....Perfect.... Fatality!

Hi Misha! Hi Tim! Great video! Iff i had the money I would take a taxi lap with the MR first and then hop in the 620r with both Tim at the wheel. That McLaren is zo much more drama

Maybe if the 620r went and had an after market kit fitted to it, that would make the factory car even faster 🙄

Thanks to Robert for sharing this incredible car!

I have to say I am surprised that the 620r has a 235 size front tyre - just checked the internet, actually 225🤦🏻‍♂️ I don’t even think the cup 2/cup 2 r has that size of a tyre. I have Bridgestone re003 high performance street tyre (Asia pacific already has the new re004) in the size 225/45r17 on my civic. With the 620r having the same tyre size, it has to be the limiting factor as it doesn’t allow the car to exert more performance. What a weird thing for mclaren to have decided on this size. Edit: thank you for the video showing the difference nonetheless Misha!

Such an amazing driving 🙂

Great content!

I would try one tick off from the fr AR-bar and I would try one tick less not only the fr rebound slow but also one tick less in the fr bump slow. The front bump cut off is at too high pressure. It is obvious there is more grip at rear than at front and it seems to be mostly in the slow ones.

McLaren always seem to run excessively narrow front tyres, 225 width on the 620R I think? That's crazy, even my tiny little lotus runs 205 fronts and I sometimes feel it could go wider. Wonder why they do it, apart from steering feel which on their track slag is a weird choice.

@stefanroseEP3

2 жыл бұрын

I run a set of mclaren 225 front trofeo r on my civic 😅

@hormahfill2230

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you too, I run 225/45R17 with a performance street tyre on my Honda Civic, and the 620r in the close up shot of the tyre was a 235.. Which is weird and seems like it doesn’t allow the car to exert all the performance it has.

@HondaExige1

2 жыл бұрын

@@hormahfill2230 OEM is 225 on the 620r according to Google so they must be running wider tyres already which means in oem spec it's got even less front end grip, which again is a weird choice for their £250k track specialist car. Chris Harris made the same comments on the Senna which still only runs 245 but does have loads of downforce helping out.

@hormahfill2230

2 жыл бұрын

@@HondaExige1 yeah, as I was typing my own comment I double checked on the internet and oem as you said was actually 225. And I can’t agree with you more 👍🏻 My bad for not double checking just in case though!

@boostedone1367

2 жыл бұрын

225????? What. The. F....

Just wow. Good sense of speed with this camera angle.

Very nice driving and great comparison. I was reading the stock front tire is 225/35/19 but from the video I could see you had a 235/35. Why not try a 245 or 265 with more camber? There is also a Pagani fitment 255/30/20 in Trofeo R which might fit. Also why are the front tires so narrow?

“It’s a track day. You can overtake on the right” I just said that to myself when I noticed the guy pull over to the left… then Misha said…. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤣

can you explain why the front end doesn't grip? You mentioned suspension, others mention the narrow tires?

A fast Golf. I love that analogy 😁

That was brilliant 👍👍

Is this Kevin Estre? Points at Tim Morley. sheesh this bloke is fast. PS: Thank you for all the hearts Misha.

looks like the 620R needs some MR love

Good driving position! I can't understand some people driving far away from the steering wheel with the arms all stretched and no control at all.

I knew that Michelin made the superior tire but I never would have guessed that the Cup 2 R is that much faster than the Pirelli. Up to 10 sec/lap faster is crazy!

What's the inside of the tyre like? Have you changed or checked the wheel alignment?

🤘 Timmy 🤘nice vid and upload today☝️😉

That is a beautiful drive

Awesome drive! Tim really squeezed out what the car has to offer. And great camera angle in the carousel. Shows how violent the car moves over the concrete slabs! I wonder though if the front end could be refined more still. Considering that during the DTM race on the GP track the Porsche was completely unrestricted by the BOP and the McLaren still runs with restrictions.

Is the 620R in need of additional mechanical grip on the front axle? Wider tires? Or aero grip?

Christ that GT2 is a ballistic missile! Think I would pass out at full pelt in that haha

Porsche, it’s got to be spelled and said correctly to show proper respect. It’s quite special that one, nice post Misha. 🤘🔥😎🔥🤘

Hardly a like for like comparison in performance terms with the 620R a 100 bhp down on the GT2 but nevertheless interesting More like for like is a GT2RS against a 765LT It’s Always a better comparison for like for like and if Mac had a separate arm like Manthey you would see a different set up I imagine

I've gotten the same impression from my friends who have the GT2 RS - they don't say it out loud, but it's not the most exciting car to drive, at least they enjoy other cars like the Cayman GT4 or 911 GT3 more.

I got to experience the McLaren today. It was well worth it👌

@mgcharoudin

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Would love to see your review of the Model S Plaid on the ring!

Can't believe a supercar like the 620R why it has such narrow front tires, or any supercar for that matter. Put some 265's on it like the Porsche and then run this same test, 620R would be a completely different car in those slow sharp corners. Porsche might still win, but it'd be a totally different ballgame. Misha it'd be really cool if you guys could do more tests like this with other cars...hint hint. 💪

The mclaren is fast. The porsche is from another dimension.

Can't you fit the wider front tires to McLaren 620R???

I would love to see the 620R with the 245s up front from the Senna plus the fine tuning of the geometry to dial out so much understeer. That would likely only be a setup for the advanced drivers though.

@jhxzzy863

2 жыл бұрын

Best comment ever.

@Sean_Farmer

2 жыл бұрын

@@jhxzzy863 Ever?...You're too kind. 🤣

@andrewnorris5415

2 жыл бұрын

LLF modified his 720 with some shims that dial out the understeer. Not too expensive.

I thought it was 620R vs 2RS MR ... past 5 min there were no versus anymore, holycrap !!!

What a Lap! Amazing! Speedo would make it even better.

There is no substitute (at the Ring) 😉!

Have you tried the Surface Transform discs yet? Said to last 5 x longer than OE.

@mgcharoudin

2 жыл бұрын

Not on McL yet

Now Senna chasing a 2RS? 👀🤔 would be very interesting!!

@juhsztn

2 жыл бұрын

senna GTR vs 2rs MR? 🧐

@stubones

2 жыл бұрын

LOL, you mean passing it and leaving it behind

@stubones

2 жыл бұрын

@@juhsztn The normal Senna is more than enough to embarrass a GT2 MR. LOL

@juhsztn

2 жыл бұрын

@@stubones would love to see it

@weiguchickenburger920

2 жыл бұрын

IMO a customer Senna cannot attack the ring as hard as a 2RS without damage therefore 2rs wins!

Glad i went for a ride in that gt2 rs mr vs the 620r

If you never have driven a gt2 rs how many laps would it take to get around the 7min mark?

I would like to see the McLaren with better tyres. Better suspension settings/spring rate. Better individual gear ratios. And some + camber. I wonder what would happen then? I can see the + camber on the gt2

@liamduffin2977

2 жыл бұрын

Porsche would still be off

I could just see a topgear episode where they test the GT2 RS, the 765LT and the Lamborghini SVJ. Then, the RS vs the GT Black!

Jesus. That car was getting PUSHED. And it got smoked. Man the 2RS MR is some machine.

Seems like the car need more tuning. Do you guys think they just put too much caster?

un buen super deportivo y buen conductor tambien saludos desde tenerife

has your mic got noise cancelling or is mclaren that well refined for flat out noise?

@mgcharoudin

2 жыл бұрын

It was set to forward-biased

Hallo Misha, nice lap

The 620R does not like curbs or why did he avoid them?

Good video

@MacheteK

2 жыл бұрын

Good comment

The 620R ist the smaller one, so i think you need to take the 765 LT or something like that to compare GT2RS.

This is their terrain and no one cant beat them!