these albums will always hold a special place in my heart. being born in 74 with a father who is a musician and played beatles albums and solo albums regularly these 2 albums are when I got into the beatles in general. I loved silly love songs when I heard it on the radio when I was really small, but coming up and the hits from double fantasy grabbed me and they became till this day my favorite band. Paul is my favorite all time musician. I loved his voice especially on the live versions of maybe im amazed and coming up as a child . when something gets into your mind at a young age like that it always holds a special place in your heart. I just have always loved Paul's sense of melody . I love John and George as well. once again I loved all those years ago by George when it was a hit in the states in 81. thanks for your videos on the beatles solo stuff. I really enjoy them

Im glad you mentioned One of these Days. Fantastic song, eerie sounding on the album.

Great review John. As usual I tend to see things the same way as you do. This was very emotional for me to watch in some ways. Two old friends who might have united but like a divorced couple they still loved each other but could not live together anymore. I remember on my first listen to Double fantasy I thought that "Woman" was outstanding but nothing else. in time i came to realize the classic album that it is and ido prefer the stripped down version. Regarding McCartney 2 I loved "Coming up" Waterfalls" and "One of these days". So how I felt with Pauls album is still how i feel about it. I think with "Double fantasy" that it's not a john and yoko album as much as "New york city" when they were so tight together. I felt on listening to this album that were still very much in love but that they were heading for another lost weekend. John had enough songs to make a solo album but who cares. It is what it is and it's beautiful. John hated leaving songs in the can and it would have strange to work on his album when having to use the lesser tracks that were left of double fantasy. However he never had to face that problem. Thank you John Lennon for coming back one last time and for showing us that the "Beatles" were always your band and in writing a new Beatles song just because you could. The song was called "Woman" you proved that to us all. God bless the Beatles.

I've always loved McCartney II, probably my favorite post-beatles album, I guess I'm avant guarde that way.

For me Double Fantasy will always be shrouded in sadness for obvious reasons....I heard an inerview with John in which he spoke about McCartney 2 and he said he thought Paul sounded depressed....in saying that Coming up was always a fun feel good throwaway.....and I think Waterfalls is one of Pauls loveliest songs ever....though largely forgotten even by him....

Not just a German pressing ... an East German pressing, on Amiga, the state-owned record label.

Hi john only just discovered your channel- really enjoy . Thankyou

In a strange way, Double Fantasy was a perfect last album for John to release before his untimely death. It's a beautiful tribute to his relationship with Yoko, a peak in terms of his songwriting and as always with John very personal. I couldn't think of a better Lennon album to end his all too short stay on this planet.

@anshuldinger1425

5 жыл бұрын

Yes! I love the album. Admittedly the different styles of John and Yoko clash, so it doesn't really flow. But as individual songs, they are truly great

@marguskiis7711

4 жыл бұрын

Boring album. "Plastic Ono Band" was Lennon`s peak.

@dr.buzzvonjellar8862

11 күн бұрын

I agree. His best work on DF is as good as anything he wrote. It also feels prescient, as if…. Especially Woman and Beautiful Boy. To me, it sounds like he was just warming up. He hadn’t gotten into second gear. Rest him.

There's a recorded interview where John says that he thinks Paul was screwed over by the record company when they promoted the live version of Coming Up rather than the album version. It certainly comes across that he had _some_ regard for that track. I'm sure I've heard somewhere though that what really took his fancy was the video - and particularly Paul putting on the old Beatle suit. Quite what that would have meant to John is open to conjecture. For what it's worth, some sources suggest George was in a much worse place with John when he was killed than Paul was. I've always felt that it was John's death that did for Wings. Paul didn't tour for quite a while afterwards and I suspect that that was related. And really, if he wasn't going to tour then he didn't need a band. Tim Rice did the MPL-produced interview with Paul used to promote McCartney II (included in the Archive Collection boxset). Given that that was the intended purpose, he's remarkably negative about the album and it's a slightly fractious interview. (Around this time Rice wrote some lyrics for a version of Hot As Sun recorded by Noosha Fox, so presumably the pair got along OK. I think they possibly share a love of Buddy Holly and the Everly Brothers.) In a way it's kind of admirable that they _did_ put that interview out - I remember seeing it on TV at the time but I was too young to pick up on the mood of it. And looked at one way, the album shows a similarly admirable lack of concern for commercial pressures. Looked at another way, Paul was smoking too much pot and he didn't care enough about what he was putting out. Personally, while I see it as a half-arsed album, I have a lot of affection for it.

Hi John, What a great idea for a video. McCartney 2 is not one I play but Double Fantasy I know.. iyt has become somewhat iconic because of the tragic turn of events to come. Tino

@amandahuginkiss4063

4 жыл бұрын

Tino Stabile what is “iyt”? I don’t know why people use that method for producing brevity when it might not be obvious what words they are referring to.

@tinostabile3256

4 жыл бұрын

@@amandahuginkiss4063 It is a spelling mistake. You give me much too much credit. No abreviation. I meant to say it... not iyt... it has become iconic.

@amandahuginkiss4063

4 жыл бұрын

Ahhhh. That makes more sense. I understand a spelling mistake more than condensing the words by just using the first letter of each word. I make spelling mistakes also, mostly because my phone tends to assume what I am trying to type instead of just putting what I type. If I don’t read over what I type before I post it, almost always my phone has literally changed words that I typed. It does that on texts as well. Anyway, peace brother

I wish he finished grow old with me and released it in double fantasy. Such a classic

Didn't John also say that he liked "Coming Up" somewhere else? The Milk and Honey songs sound a lot like demos to me, and I agree with you that some of them might not have made it onto their next album. "Nobody Told Me" was intended for Ringo anyway, as you say.

@crestenify

5 жыл бұрын

It got stuck in his head after hearing it on the radio so often, not sure that he loved it, but it moved him to get back in the recording studio!

Just started watching your thoughtful and informative videos. With all the recent chatter of one more album after Abbey Road, I wonder if you would care to 'imagine' it by choosing what you consider their best solo work at the time, and seeing what would have come of it it if it made a final Beatles album?

I find it's almost impossible to compare those two albums. Just the context in which they were created and released makes it so. McCartney II is a total solo effort made without any pressure or more accurately made to get away from the pressure of having a band. There’s the myth that the album was not supposed to be released and was just originally glorified demos, and that circumstances (the relative failure of Back to the Egg and the Japan bust) made him. In fact, following the Archives release of the album, we found out that the album was actually mixed and ready for release as early as October 1979. It was finished before Wings went on their UK tour. Although a little light, it’s very personal and quirky and British, and a homemade affair. Musically, on the whole, McCartney II looks towards the future. Double Fantasy is very American and although meant as a comeback, musically it looks towards the past and is a very 70s album, with the usual heavy artillery of session musicians. A very solid project that had a lot of weight on its shoulder given that it was John’s big break after his temporary retirement. Interestingly, his work on Yoko’s Walking on Thin Ice which he recorded on the very day he died, sounded much more modern in comparison… Original reviews were not that good for any of those two albums. Lennon was criticised for being mellow and safe, and McCartney his usual flimsy and unfocussed. Opinions on Double Fantasy changed in the aftermath of Lennon’s death. Personally I wish Yoko would allow Lennon’s songs for Double Fantasy and Milk and Honey to be remixed and compiled as one album. It could be then compared to Tug of War as Tug of War was really reshaped to mirror Lennon’s DF showing what McCartney could achieve as a solo artist given the same ammunition to make a fully produced album with top session musicians. Remember that Lennon died during the early sessions for the album while Paul was recording Rainclouds with Martin, Laine and the Irish musician Paddy Moloney of The Chieftains. At that stage the album and what they were trying to achieve was not totally decided yet, By the time the recording sessions moved to Montserrat in February 81, the big studio machinery was in full flow.

I have to admit that I've never really warmed to either of these albums. Double Fantasy is the stronger of the two, IMHO, but in 1980 I too was disappointed in half a John Lennon album. John's cut on Milk and Honey seem a bit unfinished to me, which they probably were. Both of John's albums are a continual reminder of what the world was robbed of on Dec. 8, 1980.

Thanks John. Always good.

if youve watched enough of johns videos youlll know that he hates the backing vocals on mind games and double fantasy

@Jack-qn6jb

5 жыл бұрын

@ i dont know if you mean john lennon or john heaton haha. im tlaking about mr heaton

5 жыл бұрын

Jack I was talking about Lennon. Actually I hadn’t payed attention to the guys name that posted this. Never mind!

Hi John, interesting comparison. What do you think of the 2008 film Let Him Be?

I see you mentioned in this review John the song Wonderful Christmas time, i was in London this week on my travels listening to BBC radio London when this song came on, i know this is in no way Maccas best effort by a long chalk but was annoyed at the female presenter being totally disrespectful to the track by pulling it off air half way through stating " i am sorry i cannot listen to this rubbish a moment longer" this then opened up the floodgates for people texting in commending the presenter for " getting rid of this drivel " along with numerous similar disrespectful comments.There seems to be a trend now for younger people to knock the legends that were the Beatles, earlier this year a late night presenter on the same radio station made the unbelievable statement that he knew Ringo Starr was in the Beatles but doesnt have a clue what he did with them or what instrument he played.....i believe this presenter is 42 years old.....just shows the type of muppets the BBC employ.....disgraceful....

Hey John, loving your videos you have got me listening to quite a few Beatle solo records (RAM is my fav). Just wondered what current (ish) bands you like?

@johnheaton5667

5 жыл бұрын

Alex Conway thanks...regarding new bands ha ...not too many....think the last band I really liked was probably Blur :- )

@alexconway4950

5 жыл бұрын

John Heaton I had a feeling it was that way! I feel like I am going back more and more nowadays, 70’s seems to have been a golden period. Just a shame I was 1 when it ended! But some great recommendations.. keep them coming..

Clean up time..one of my favorites 😃

My favourite track on Double Fantasy,is Watching The Wheels.On McCartney 2,its Waterfalls

Nice Video !!

Superb john

I’m very fond of McCartney II, I didn’t buy it immediately when it came out in 1980, because the reviews that I saw were very, very critical. But I find it to be a very fresh sounding, charming album, one of my favorites of Paul, actually... I hate to say this, with all the ugly hostility that Yoko continues to receive - but If Johns last album had been made as a solo record - for me it would have been much more enjoyable, which I know, sounds terrible to say. But I wish they would have made two separate albums. Not to disparage Yoko too much - I respect Yoko’s writing ability - but it’s very difficult for almost anyone to hold their own against John Lennon, who was one of the greatest singers ever.

@jeffkaufman9875

7 ай бұрын

@Tom Why is that “terrible” to say? Why the half-apology in stating your opinion?..

@TomCwimpRock

7 ай бұрын

I made this comment four years ago and barely remember posting it. I guess that I was trying to not let it degenerate into typical Yoko-bashing but I see that I went overboard in trying qualify it. Thanks for your reply. @@jeffkaufman9875

@TomCwimpRock

7 ай бұрын

Yes, I think I went a bit overboard trying not to offend. You’re right, it is not a “terrible” thing to say. I guess that I was trying to avoid going down the typical Yoko bashing route that occurs a lot in the KZread comments section.

@jeffkaufman9875

7 ай бұрын

@Tom FWIW, I applaud your reluctance to offend; that said, your opinion is, well, your opinion, and like anyone else and theirs, you’re entitled to it!..

Great reviews. I personally love M II great sequel to McCartney. I think Double Fantasy is a masterpiece, only downside for me is that Walking on Thin Ice is missing on the album, I know it wasn’t completed in time for album release and they were working on it on THAT night.

I've got McCartney II, 2 copies of it actually but I haven't yet brought myself to picking up a copy of Double Fantasy. I'm just not into Yoko's stuff, maybe one day I'll have to just have to suck it up and sit through it but until then I'll just listen to the John stuff I like digitally which is Starting Over and Woman. I think McCartney II has some interesting tracks but last time I heard it I felt it really tapered off on side 2, going to have to listen to it again.

He dosent speak very loud and his voice trails off so I put the caption on..

Coming up is my favorite on McCartney II. I’m losing you is my favorite on Double Fantasy.

@ClarenceFisher

4 жыл бұрын

Between (Just Like) Starting Over and Watching The Wheels, what's my favorite Double Fantasy track? I love them both equally, they're great side openers. I thought the album ended in a fizzle. All of his other albums ended on a slam dunk. My Mummy's Dead was a great way to close Plastic Ono Band, Oh Yoko was a joyous close to Imagine. Meat City was hilarious, Nobody Loves You When You're Down and Out was riveting, and Just Because was a rollicking way to end Rock and oll. I just thought Hard Times Are Over was a bit too gospel-y, a little forced optimism instead of something from the heart or soul, the way the other closers were. It amazes me that someone of John's stature would cave to his wife on what to put on the album and how to do it.

John was planning to write with Paul in 81..

I think Yoko's output on Double Fantasy equals Macca's on McCartney 2

Interesting that they consciously or unconsciously used a Double/Twins/Pair/Two of Us theme.

Strange days, indeed...

Hi John, must admit I rarely play McCartney 2 though I agree about One of these days being good.Otherwise not a great album.Johns tracks on Double Fantasy show what potential John had to write great songs still. Afraid even accepting Yoko's songs are amongst her best she still detracts from the work.Hence her lack of success without John as a song writer.I accept your comment about what John was trying to do showing a relationship.Cheers

We love U Billy.)

It makes me wonder what Paul would have done had John not been killed. McCartney II promised a more electropop way forward; an area of music he wouldn't return to until 1986's Press to Play. While Tug of War is a nice album, it felt like McCartney was in artistic regression, especially when one considers the contributions George Martin and Ringo. Sure, some good stuff came out of those sessions, but it wasn't until he came to terms with the loss of John that he was able to move forward artistically. That's all opinion of course, but I think it's valid.

@jasminebeth5328

5 жыл бұрын

Andrew, that is an interesting point you bring up. I like to believe that a revived John would have set in motion that old competitive spirt with them both. I’d like to think Paul’s 80’s material would have been stronger if John was releasing albums if he was not murdered. I agree that Paul’s 80’s material was, at least in my opinion, not near as strong as it was during the 70’s. From Flaming Pie (a stellar album) onward Paul’s material caught fire and got a lot better compared to his 80’s stuff. I would have loved to see, actually hear, what a friendly rivalry would have produced through the rest of their careers. RIP JWL

@DJ-bj8ku

4 жыл бұрын

jasmine beth I agree with both of these comments. I think the rivalry would’ve produced stronger material from both, although John seemed to be able to produce edgier stuff than Paul period. I also think there’s no doubt the Beatles would’ve reunited.

I love temporary secretary! such a great tune. Kind of weak albums to me from both of them tbh relative to other stuff, but I still love them both!

Back in the day all my mates were into Metal and as I was a diehard and defensive Wings fan I just wanted Paul to rock. And rock McCartney 11 did not. So I guess I was a touch disappointed, though it remains a period piece of occasional interest. Then when I thought John might come to save the day for us Beatles fans he failed to rock also. The simple wants of youth! Of course his album became iconic for the worst of reasons. His handful of songs were ok and reflected his maturity and I quite liked the Elvisness of Starting Over. Tended to skip the Yoko songs and I couldn't name one now. I don't think either album came anywhere near the best work by either artist....

Opposite albums. II is very experimental, brave, new wave, post punk. Double is very conservative, old school, polished. The conservativeness influenced Paul too, whose Tug Of War was pretty the same.

Hi. In my opinion, if he had not shared the album with Yoko, there never would have been a record.

@jamesdunn9714

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, she wanted it that way I am sure. Yoko was a first class user and still is.

@robbiepeterh

4 жыл бұрын

James Dunn do you know her personally?

@knockedoutloaded279

4 жыл бұрын

John had originally planned a solo album..his notes show it...

0:55 great picture taken outside the Dakota. With a trash basket right behind Yoko? I was a professional photographer for over 20 years and that photo is just plain sloppy.

@vidarbonsak7855

5 жыл бұрын

I find it great for precisely that reason.

One Of These Days wouldn't have sounded out of place on the White album.

@ClarenceFisher

4 жыл бұрын

One of these days is so beautiful.

Interesting discussion John. I've always liked McCartney 2 and prefer it to Double Fantasy.

To this day I haven't heard any Yoko tracks off Double Fantasy on purpose. Its always bugged me he would never relent no matter what...or that she refused to relent for the best interest of her "great love".

Very good review here.. I woke up on December 9th,1980 to Beautiful Boy playing on the radio. My wife came into the room and said that John Lennon had been killed.. I was in a state of shock..

tough to compare. double fantasy was a regular full affair album...mccartney 2 was more of a homespun affair and experimentation

Two of my favorite Solo Beatles albums. They were both, like Ram, slated by some people and critics at the time of release but are loved more now. I personally love McCartney 2 but in my experience the more tradition "Rock" music fan tends not too like how "Pop" it is. I like Yoko's new wave type songs on fantasy too.

Great comments again. I have to say I tend to agree with the assessment on both albums. I did rate Double Fantasy when it came out and am still of that mind. With Paul's album, I feel as though he was trying to recreate McCartney (hence II obviously) with the stripped down production, but there is no way there is anything of the quality of Teddy Boy & Junk on it. Generally with McCartney I just feel as though he has no edit function. Once the other 3 were not involved there was no one to say "not that one Paul".

Would have been a waste giving Ringo 'nobody told me'.

Interesting that the two artists, 10 years after the breakup of The Beatles, both made albums that kind of made up with the prejudices about them. Paul is the commercial one, the pop artist, isn’t he? No, here he’s much more avant-garde and the record surely isn’t overproduced and aiming for the market in that respect. But now John, he’s the experimental musician always trying to move the boundaries, isn’t he...? Not in this case! 7 pop songs, well produced (-and wonderful) but hardly avant-garde. In fact the more experimental stuff comes from Yoko on that record... I was 21 at the time, and I remember that neither record was very well received by the critics. I wasn’t especially overwhelmed by them neither. Then John got shot, and “Double Fantasy” was canonized while everyone forgot about Paul’s album. Like both of the records today. “Double Fantasy” really does contain some of Johns most long lasting classics, as a solo artist at least. And “McCartney II” really moved Paul in a new direction. Easy to hear in his later music, and even today😊👍

I played Double Fantasy a lot more than McCartney II at the time. It was the first Lennon album I'd heard so it was pretty fascinating to me, particularly with all the weird Yoko songs. I think I was disappointed with McCartney II because of its Wing-less nature.

McCartney II was much more experimental

Must say I think the best thing about Double Fantasy is the production. It's got a big, "fat", uptown, 1980 "New York" feeling to it, and obviously it's the sound Lennon wanted. The "Stripped Down" version is interesting, yes, but IMO not an improvemet.

McCartney 2 was never meant to be released at all. Paul was persuaded to do it by record company executives. If you watch the interview tween him and ''Tom'' Rice you will see Paul reveal this fact. Pauls idea of a day off is to go into a recording studio and make more music. And this is what Paul did in making the McCartney 2 album. Paul was making it for his own personal use, and that's why it does not sound ''polished''. It sounds home made. I think it was a mistake to release McCartney 2. I rarely listen to it. I think, Paul McCartney: Return To Pepperland, is a better album, this is from 1987, and unreleased.

I'm an American but was living in England when these albums came out (military service) and I remember the release of various singles from "Back to the Egg," Paul being jailed in Japan and John's assassination. As I recall "Double Fantasy" didn't do well upon release, was headed back down the charts when John was killed then of course everyone was buying it. I too was disappointed in it, mostly because half the songs were by Yoko but also because John was domesticated, contented. He didn't have much to say but his talent was intact as was his voice. I like Yoko's song 'Kiss Kiss Kiss' and the single 'Walking on Thin Ice' which harken back to her "Plastic Ono Band" album, that was unique. When she tries to sing like a normal person she's awful. I cannot stand to hear 'Yes, I'm Your Angel' and I don't play "Double Fantasy" at all since nearly all John's songs are on "The John Lennon Collection." I'm okay with "McCartney II" it's unpretentious, just Paul fooling around in his home studio. Half the songs are pretty good. I read this past week that he's planning on releasing a collection of unreleased songs he played at soundchecks of the years, some improvs. Says he has hundreds of them.

McCartney II 8/10 , DF 4/10 sadly (it's Yellow Submarine syndrome, how can I properly rate an album where John only has 6 cuts)

I'm more of a McCartney than a Lennon fan but I actually thought John wrote the stronger songs on Double Fantasy. Pauls is more experimental and a collection of musical ideas with some melodic highs that weren't developed into fully fledged songs with the exception of Waterfalls and Coming Up. Johns songs were the finished article and had more polish. I don't listen to Yokos and if they had toured I wouldn't have paid good money to hear her howling.

I think they had made up by this point. And John wasn’t necessarily inspired by coming up but was championing his friends album for PR reasons. Which is cool. Personally McCartney 2 is so much interesting than double fantasy. John never really done anything innovative in his solo career. They’re was great iconic songs but he wasn’t pushing the boundaries. I know your a Yoko fan but she doesn’t do it for me. A mid album track like nobody knows thrills me so much more than 75% of double fantasy. And Johns last gap comments are just bitterness. I will give John, instant karma, mother and imagine although it’s been played to death for sheer genius but a lot of his other great solo songs had their origin in his Beatles time like. Jealous guy, gimme some truth and even mind games. John probably thought he couldn’t compete hence his long hiatus.

@MeanMrMayo

5 жыл бұрын

a1974h - John took the hiatus because he wanted to bring up his son Sean. John pushed more boundaries than Paul did overall with his Bed-ins and avante garde projects such as Two Virgins. And also SomeTime In New York City. First Beatle to do a live album with other non-Beatle performers. Rock and Roll Oldies was also a departure from convention at that time. Paul certainly played it more safe with commercial Pop.

@a1974h

5 жыл бұрын

MeanMrMayo I love your channels and I bow down to your superior Beatles knowledge but music is subjective and I find a lot of Johns political and preachy stuff tired and a cliche. As for sometime in New York, the title song is pure rock n roll and it’s honestly absolutely brilliant. But it’s not innovative and the rest of the album isn’t really up to much.The albums McCartney 1&2 are certainly not commercial pop and neither is Ram for that matter. The bed in was during his beatle era wasn’t it. And the Avante grade stuff like two virgins screams of someone trying to look innovative but really coming off as pretentious. It’s poor musically. Paul went more mainstream when his first few albums weren’t received well and even at that band on the run the song is insane the amount of melodies going on and the concept behind Picasso’s last words with the music mirroring a Picasso painting is pretty neat to me. John still wrote at least one classic an album. Mind games for me is a masterpiece lyrically because of its double meaning of being about the book that it inspired it and meditation and about mind games with your partner. But take his great lyrics he definitely missed Paul’s musical input with his melodies and crafting of songs. Phil Spector wasn’t that great for John in hindsight too. That’s what made John and Paul such a great duo.

@MeanMrMayo

5 жыл бұрын

Well you made a comment that "John never really done anything innovative in his solo career" and that "he wasn't pushing boundaries" - and I feel that is untrue. (Plus Lennon was murdered with only a few original studio albums under his belt!). Sure you are entitled to an opinion ... but just because you don't subjectively like them as much and feel John's works were "preachy or pretentious" that does not mean they weren't also pushing boundaries and being daring for those times instead of just writing silly little melodic love songs (and then when John did the same thing for DOUBLE FANTASY you charge him with "not pushing the boundaries" LOL!) . I for one am getting tired of John being marginalized and slighted for Paul over the past couple of decades (at least). When Paul's first 2 solo records came out... not many were hailing those as iconic works of art or anything; they were viewed as doodles from a man who had lost his way at the time. And in 1980 McCartney II was not exactly considered any kind of masterpiece. When John was still alive both he and Paul were thought of either as being equals.. or if anything actually many thought John was a notch above. But now he's dead 40 years and largely overlooked - especially by young people today with no frame of reference. ... Paul has done tons of albums and concerts and projects more than Lennon... and now "it's all about Paul as Chief Beatle Genius". Hey I love Paul's music and give him many props ... but just getting fed up with John getting slighted as Paul's sideman these years. Paul's not helping any by always singing John's vocals in concert and often claiming he wrote some of (or had a hand in) John's most iconic Beatles songs. John only made solo records for something like 6 years (most artists take that long between albums these days). Paul missed and needed John too to say "no" and give an edge - which is why he collaborated with Elvis Costello. So now in hindsight everyone thinks Paul was a master genius with his first early albums - and that M2 is an experimental classic! Sure' "Band On The Run" is amazing melodically - but means nothing. As far as "Picasso's Last Words" - I think it stinks. Cheerio!

@a1974h

5 жыл бұрын

MeanMrMayo joe nobody is saying John was Paul’s sideman and I’m only comparing their music up until 1980. I’m in no doubt John was thought of as a notch above Paul. Johns comments about Paul’s music and the fact the music press unfairly judged Paul’s music at the time ensured this . Also Johns death definitely cemented his untouchable legend status at the time. But what we have now is a generation that can judge music in the fullness of time without the music reviews and trends of the time. What a I will say about John lyrics are straight from his heart And it’s a shame we were robbed of the chance of hearing an album from John in his later years as I’m sure that would have been a deeply profound piece of work. I’d still rather listen to McCartney 2 than double fantasy any day off the week. The Yoko songs wouldn’t even get played.

@MeanMrMayo

5 жыл бұрын

@@a1974h ... I'm not so sure it's just a matter of the press unfairly judging Paul's music. Maybe they truly didn't like it. Maybe it was too twee for them. And even if John made comments at the time, they're just his opinion. The Press, critics, and the public themselves all had minds and ears of Their Own. As for Double Fantasy, There are at least three John Classics on that album alone. And Yoko's material is very good, at the time it was thought to be even A Step Above John's in 1980. You don't want to listen, of course you don't have to... but I can't help you there. Anyway, just to end this on a funny note, I was sitting in a restaurant tonight after I wrote my first couple of posts, and the song Band on the Run came on the system.

Yoko isn't a competent musician, songwriter or vocalist. Her stuff on Double Fantasy stinks. That being said, Lennon's work on the album was a good return from his self imposed hiatus from the music scene, not his greatest work, but good. Yoko's contribution to DF brings the album down to just OK. McCartney 2 was not the best of Paul. John probably needed a better edit button between his brain and mouth. Sometimes it's better to just leave some passing thought unsaid.

@CraigBickerstaff

5 жыл бұрын

Yoko is plenty competent as a musician, her background is in classical music and I think one of John's songs is influenced by her playing moonlight sonata. She just has some weird avant-garde taste when creating her own work.

@Peter7966

5 жыл бұрын

@@CraigBickerstaff Competent was a poor choice of words on my part. Yoko Ono could not make a living as a professional musician of any sort without John Lennon's success and off the chart musical talents. And in the pop/rock music world, she has nothing to offer, has no gifts and wouldn't even get a look by a producer or record company if it wasn't for John.

I'm sorry, but I am afraid that I didn't like either of these albums when they came out and, nearly 40 years on I still don't like them. Coming Up and Waterfalls I still like but the rest? No sorry. Double Fantasy? Well it has Yoko's tracks interrupting the John tracks and I still don't iike her voice(though at least now I can programme the tracks out) but also the Lennon tracks sound like John Lennon writing tracks that he thought 40 year old Beatle fans might like. Insipid. Oddly enough I thought that the tracks on Milk and Honey were much better and did show promise for the future. Hey Ho, everyone has different likes and dislikes!

IMO, Paul hasn't done anything really good since his two gems Yesterday and Elanor Rigby. Both John and Paul are not the John and Paul from the original Beatles. there are too many weird facial features to dismiss. though they made interesting music apart, there was never anything close to the shimmering examples I mentioned.

@cmoon4941

5 жыл бұрын

The worst thing about the internet is that it gives idiots like mars dexter a forum to spout their misinformed and frankly bonkers opinions.

@marsdexter9852

5 жыл бұрын

@@cmoon4941 the worst thing about the internet? read a book for once then. I never claim to know, but there seems to me a great suspicion about the inner workings. less you know something I don't. you may be the bigger idiot!

@jeffkaufman9875

7 ай бұрын

@mars You’re on Pluto, mate!.. 😂

@marsdexter9852

7 ай бұрын

@@jeffkaufman9875 thanks for noticing! lovely here...

McCartney 2 had one of his best songs in Coming Up, and one or two other nice tunes, but overall one of his weaker efforts from that time period.