Whose bow are you most excited for? Any questions or tests you’d like to see done with the bows? It’s going to be a great 2024 friends

@fenryswartooth

8 ай бұрын

Something I would like to see is seeing a video like this but on the budget side. I would love to see how the Bear Alaskan XT and others in that 600 to 800 range stack up to each other. I have been researching a ton and gonna pull the trigger on a bow around tax season and really looking for all the info I can get.

@huntsimple9527

8 ай бұрын

I have the Alaskan (not XT) and for $499 that I paid, it is incredible. Smooth, quiet, and very fast. Mine tuned with zero issues and is holding a bullet hole after hundreds of arrows. I have nothing against the flagships, I have some, but when I step up to the line in league and shoot a 289 with the Alaskan and the guys with the new RX-8 Ultra are shooting 260 it is an interesting conversation - not that I am a great shooter at all, but just that shooting comes down to the person WAY more than the equipment.@@fenryswartooth

@tylerweeding5610

8 ай бұрын

Does MFJJ make you wait until launch day to create content on the new bows?

@Nick-im3ym

8 ай бұрын

Mathew’s lift 33 babay! Have always shot hoyt but I’m getting one of these bad boys.

@Cparchery...

8 ай бұрын

Would love to see the elite and bowtech checked with bowtech on comfort I was interested in the Sr cause I thought it would be a lot faster even on comfort but I guess I was wrong

great archery shop ... adjustable draw stops have existed before on the OS3 Binary Cam before CSS custom shooting systems sold to Horton. I shaped chuck's round stops to include the flat spot and grooved prototypes that simply machined screwed directly onto the cam. It is a great concept to adjust yourself to hit your let-off valley right where you want for a better release and draw length micro adjust. Some finger shooters with compounds really benefitted from this design.

average height of a male is 5'9" so 27-28" draw. lots of talk about efficiency of a bow when dropping draw length from 30"...would like to see bows reviewed using say a 450 GR (seems to be a popular hunting arrow weight) in that 27-28" draw length.

@jwild5360

8 ай бұрын

U can calculate what numbers you’d get at all those specs by seeing what they do here at 29.

@dionysis84

8 ай бұрын

100%!! I’m 27 1/2dl and my arrow weight is around 450 (FMJ).

@ryanwhittlinger1073

8 ай бұрын

I like the Ashby fps calculator. Take 5-10 fps off the rated ibo speed and throw into calculator(Mathew’s lift is rated 348, so put 340) and I tested different bows accurately to within 1 fps

@Basshole51

8 ай бұрын

@@ryanwhittlinger1073 thanks other calculators I have tried in the past have been off

@ctreece7506

8 ай бұрын

What’s the average height of the guys that will buy these longer ata bows? It ain’t 5’9 lol

Getting back into it after many years, i dont have a press for parallel limbs ect so that adjustability really makes me more comfortable especially with pro shop good hr away and id want to do everything myself anyway..... Thanks for the time and info

Tim, the quality of your videos is going up a lot! Congratulations! You deserve more followers! I can't wait to see hunting videos on your channel too! Greetings from Spain!!!

Great comparison video. Thanks guys.

Great video Tim! I really liked your use of music and song choice. Great job brother.

As someone who doesn’t currently own a tree stand or saddle to hunt whitetail 🦌and turkeys 🦃 here in the east, part of me is leaning Hoyt or Mathew’s since they have stands to use among other features. The other part of me wants to be able to tune my own bow without an expensive press so the Bowtech Core SS, Elite or the new Athen’s Axxis peak my interest there. Sadly even if I sell my Prime Black 3 I can’t afford these new models until next year or so.

I’ve been shooting an Elite since before they were cool. Still shooting a 2017 E32, bought it for the narrow foot print, sweet grip, and crazy solid back wall. It pulls at 67lbs and flings a 495gr arrow at 272fps. I have never “upgraded” because I just don’t see the value, all I gain on the new bows are 10ish fps, and a few ounces in weight. It’s still as accurate as the day I bought it, sub 6” groups at 70yds. I hands down recommend elite bows to anyone in the market, they are VERY shootable and are easy to tune.

Currently shooting a ventum pro 33 and I didn’t love the new draw cycle in the new alpha x wasn’t as smooth. But then I shot the elite ethos and that to me and my style was the bow of the year! Great video as always

@TimConnor13

8 ай бұрын

Interesting! One thing about draw cycle is even if it’s a little different than what you’re used to.. it’ll feel like home after 50-100 arrows as long as you don’t mind the cycle.. my thoughts have definitely evolved a little on it

@zachlambert8219

8 ай бұрын

100% anything you have for a while feels like home. That’s also why it’s hard to sell a bow that has history because it is home. Thanks for the content and honesty.

Nice bows for sure. Lots of choices and the speeds are pretty close.

Well got to get 2000 saved up before summer. Thanks for the video

Would love to see yall review the Xpedition Xlite. At 3.75lbs for the 31 inch ata and 3.85 for the 33 inch ata seems like they may be a sleeper and overlooked. I know they dont send a bow to MFJJ, but may be worth reaching out/ picking one up.

@Cparchery...

8 ай бұрын

I was really thinking about buying one but that company has done some crazy stuff since the new owners and I can't see spending that much on a bow that I can't shoot first cause they chaced away all there dealers

@johnjordan9945

8 ай бұрын

@@Cparchery... arnt they running a full try/ shoot worry free option as well? And I hear you on the dealer relationship. They just seem to be doing things that the other big names are doing as well. Interesting to see what they do for sure.

I think really they’re all great bows All of them come out with cool technology every year I’m just a Matthews guy myself

I haven't bow hunted or even really been around archery since the late 80's, wow has bow technology changed!! I had a bear whitetail II & it was a good mid range price bow, if you were uptown you had a hoyt or browning.

The Elite Ethos also has .25in draw length adjustments.

@raider9170

8 ай бұрын

It also has the let off adjustment from 75-90%

@Cparchery...

8 ай бұрын

And options of cable stops and limb stops they make a really good bow I think if they spent more on marketing and staff shooters they would be ahead of hoyt

@JSmartnick

8 ай бұрын

Agreed. They didn't go over all of the features of the Elite like the others. It has the most features overall.

I am most excited for the new Mathews. I want a bowtech but ..... They didn't release a new 33" or 34" unless I missed something. Keep up the excellent work men!

@TimConnor13

8 ай бұрын

Core SR is 33

To be thorough I'm going to shoot the PSE thats 33" axle to axle and 7" brace, forgot the name, and the Elite Ethos. However, that new Lift 33 is a work of art.

Solid video, Tim. Bro, that shirt is top notch lol. 👊🏻

@TimConnor13

8 ай бұрын

lol thanks G

Coming from a CNC machinist. Chances are the run time isbt much different. The new cnc machines out now can spit these things out. We just soent 755k on a new machine from germany thatll be here in january and it cuts our spindles down from 38minutes start to finish to 4 minutes start to finish. Will pay for itself in 4 months. Its insane. Theres so much innovation in CNC machining going on right now its nuts. So really that part is conpletely up in the air. Not to mention even if its done the same way doesbt necessarily mean its quicker or slower. If the cut outs require different sized end mills (longer, shorter, different types of EMs, if it can fot in a different vice / arbor" theres a thiusabd different variables) or anything it may seem more but more coukd equal less. Some angles can be cut faster and more adequately than others. Tools and inserts are changing. Some machines arent even using coolant any more but an oil (highly flamable oil, but oil none the less) which can save tools and inserts from wearing out causing shorter over all run times and so on. There are advanced chip conveyers that can help prpduction in a major way and can actually yeild higher return on chips versus scrap. Comparing the past 3 years of risers to this one i can tell you the run times slightly vary if at all and could just as easily be shorter than longer. Id thought about taking a Machining job with mathews a couple of years ago but idk if they could eveb match my pay tbch. Their machining Opperation is on a much smaller scale than im used to and i know for a fact its probably 85% R&D since theyre always dling R&D for the next bow. Id say they should be finished sith next yesrs bow now or better be close to it or theyve already gotten it finushed and are working on 2026 bows. Id say the latter. Id say its possible they could even have s team working on 2027 bowsv

damn I love both of you guys channels!!!

No Tim, the Ethos simply aims like a ROCK 😂 I’ve got a Kairos on order (Ethos with Verdict cams). She shipped today, hopefully get the chance to go slay something Saturday!

How much does the drop away add for the Mathews you think? All the rest shot with biscuits

@heberkapcsos7730

8 ай бұрын

The videos I’ve seen it’s usually 3-5 fps.

Love the Jokes Tim. Good job getting Josh laughijg. Good to see

Thanks for the information. Wish I had a local archery shop to go to like MFJJ’s. Pueblo CO has nada.

@719matt3796

8 ай бұрын

Royal Gorge Archery Canon City

Great video man I'm surprised with that elite ethos speed second fastest but it has the longest brace height im wondering if it's just as fast as the bowtech in comfort setting

Nice work mate, I went to the shop last week to shoot the Ethos, ended up buying the elite kairos 😂 might have felt amazing since I’m shooting a 5 year old elite! Will get it out bush for its first hunt next week 🏹 Cheers from Australia

@fisherman_rue2403

7 ай бұрын

Why the Kairos over the Ethos? Shorter draw?

@AaronWhitaker01

7 ай бұрын

@@fisherman_rue2403 I only have a 27.5” draw so it’s the better option for me

@fisherman_rue2403

7 ай бұрын

@@AaronWhitaker01 Great! That's my DL too. Do you mind sharing some of your real world numbers? Arrow weight, speed, etc?

@AaronWhitaker01

7 ай бұрын

@@fisherman_rue2403 for sure! I’m running a 500gn arrow and I got 256fps through the chrono. I’ll most likely get it out for a hunt in the next week

@fisherman_rue2403

7 ай бұрын

@@AaronWhitaker01 nice! I hope your have a successful hunt. What's the draw weight set at?

Bow wizard merch! We need it!

Was the ethos in performance mode? I shot it the other day (performance mode) and it felt twice as hard to pull as the core sr (comfort mode). Curious on your thoughts

I’d like to see your opinion in this type of side by side using the prime rvx 34

I’ve got the Elite Ethos in PureWhitetail coming sometime over the next week!

There have been a couple people that have checked the speed with the different letoff, and no difference Good shit as usual brotha 👍

@TimConnor13

8 ай бұрын

Thank you dude ✊

@JamesBond-oc4gm

8 ай бұрын

@@TimConnor13 👍👍👍

Interesting. The Core SR and Lift 33 I shot at 29"/70lb were 287fps for the Core SR in comfort, and 292 for the Lift 33 with a 440gr arrow.

@skoolynugenator1802

7 ай бұрын

100 or 125 grain field point?

I'd like to know the speed from 29 to 29.5 on the Hoyt 33... that last position on one mod to first position on the next mod last year was a major speed dump. 29 was faster than 29.5. I'm wondering how well it's addressed now that they have 3 mods

I don't know if they're a headache to carry or deal with but Athens Archery has always intrigued me. Any chance you get any of those in the future?

Hey Brother. Out of the 4, I would be torn between the Bowtech and the Mathews. But of course I'd have to shoot them for myself. Great look at these bows. I appreciate your opinion.

I want a review on the Athens Axxis 33"

All i want to know is will those hoyt bipod go on the elite ethos.

Don’t let Josh get in your head you’ll be walking out with Mathews for sure! Lol

@TimConnor13

8 ай бұрын

lol iron fortress G

Tim, I really felt like you left us hanging here. Just like the podcast. To be continued... We want to know what's your '24!!!!?

Is it me or does Tim look more like Jonah Hill ? Anyways love the new bows thanks for the insights on the new bows. I need to get to Podium Archer so they can pro tune my bow. Keep up the great work. Road to 100k!!!!🎉

Tim you did a killer job on this vlog and I really enjoyed it. Josh has taught you very well and I give thumbs up to both of you for that and this channel. I really saw that you enjoyed shooting the new 2024 bow lineup from all brands at the end of the day you will be the only one that can make that decision. Just one question to ask you is that if you had narrowed it down between the Mathews and Hoyt which one would you pick and why just wondering because I have always shot Hoyt and I was so happy that you shoot Hoyt right now and I know that Mathews makes a killer bow no doubt about it but if you really had to pick which one! I had ordered the fully loaded RX-8 with all the accessories and the Garmin XERO A1Pro sight with it I went all out. I really think that Hoyt is one of the elite bow manufactures out there and they are just hard to beat. Tim again shoot what makes you happy buddy!!!

I did this exact same thing you did in this video, and I left with the Mathews lift 29.5 in 80#s 28.5” draw length. I’m still shocked I bought a Mathews. I’ve shot Hoyt and then Elite my whole life. I use to be that guy that hated Mathews😂 But what they did this year is a work of art. This bow checks every box as a midwestern whitetail hunter. Don’t take my word for it though.. Go get your hands on one and youll see what I’m talking about!💯

I’m still shooting VXR 31.5 and not changing anytime soon. Mathews are still the best IMHO .I’ve worked as a tech in a shop in SC and shot every bow imaginable except Athens bows ,but I think you’ve got to shoot what’s best for your style and what you like best. There are a lot of great bows , just find what works best for you.👍😊🏹🎯

@krisaunedi4920

8 ай бұрын

Anthony what is wrong Hoyt??? Again another Mathews bandwagon jumper!!!

@anthonyforfare7223

8 ай бұрын

@@krisaunedi4920 nothing,they make great bows ! Just for me personally Hoyt is to spongy on the back wall , but they are made in America and are the oldest archery company in ‘Murica 👍🥰😊

@dionysis84

8 ай бұрын

@@anthonyforfare7223those carbons are not made in America for Hoyt, lol. The PSE carbon is the only one made in America I think

@anthonyforfare7223

8 ай бұрын

@@dionysis84 who was talking about carbon bows? Is reading comprehension not taught anymore? 🤔😳🤯🤡🌎

@patrickgagne8795

8 ай бұрын

Friend of mine swears by the vxr. He’s a huge bow freak and was a Hoyt guy for years but thinks the vxr is one of the best. I have a rx5 and it’s a good bow but the elites seem pretty sweet

I like one and done, so Hoyt or Mathews there. I wax my strings alot, I got 7 years on my Hoyt Rampage XT strings before I had to replace them.

Good video man! What was that song??

What rest is on the elite ethos??? Anyone!?

How does mathews integrated system limit accessorie choices. You don’t have to use any of there integrated accessories. It will accept any sight rest or stabilizer.

I've been waiting all week for this and the pod to drop.

@TimConnor13

8 ай бұрын

Thank you my dude 🙏

Tim I know resale value is a big deal and not talked about much. Do a video on resale value. I always factor in resale when I purchase a bow. Some bows are hard to sale and do not hold there value very well. Good video

Dig the music!🎤

Tim, your current beard & hair, money 👌🏼 Keep it like that

Tim are using a wrist release full time now? What happened to the hand held?

How does the RVX hold up to these?

Camera question.. Im looking to get a good starter camera to start making my own videos. Maybe something that can shoot in slowmo

Have you guys ever shot an Xpedition Xlite?

Nice comparison review. Would have enjoyed it much more if it wasn't overloaded with ads.

Athens just crushed the game! Would love to see Athens and Bowtech system compared.

@TimConnor13

8 ай бұрын

10 4 🤙

@Angel.Custodio

8 ай бұрын

Just about to write the same lol

@Kmarkt1989

8 ай бұрын

Same

@jackbuendgen389

8 ай бұрын

I'm so happy for Athens! They beat the bigger manufacturers to a micro tune cam system despite the fact they're WAY smaller than Mathews or hoyt

@Angel.Custodio

8 ай бұрын

@@jackbuendgen389 I’ve always heard great things, plus I’m a NY’er, I wanted to show love to a company that employs people in my state, hopefully I get to see some more reviews.

If hoyt and mathews had a baby hey hey hey

We know the Mathews is at 85...what's the letoff on the other 3 bows. I doubt it'll get 4 fps more with the 80% mod. The Elite Ethos also has 1/4" adjustment and letoff adjustment. It had this tech for about 3 or 4 yrs. Hoyt just came out with it.

When you grabbed that elite you said the cam didn’t feel aggressive and yet it was the second fastest. With the longest brace height. 👀 Granted 2fps isn’t much.

The elite has features that the Hoyt has “1/4” adjustments” and let off from 70 to 90.The Bowtech has the Deadlock but Elite has S.E.T technology just seems like that was overlooked acting like Hoyt is innovative and Bowtech is the only bow you can tune at home.

I'm loving my pse

Can we get mfjj to review a athens archery bow? Someone please send him a new athens

Hoyt also came out with a new custom string that comes stock on the 2024 lineup.

@joshstevens9528

8 ай бұрын

If it comes stock, then it's not custom

@krisaunedi4920

8 ай бұрын

@@joshstevens9528 Sorry Josh but your wrong I called Hoyt directly and talked to a tech person and they are all upgraded strings your only paying extra for if you want a different color but the string material and tech is all the same!

@mflee1992

8 ай бұрын

@@joshstevens9528it’s custom in the fact that it’s “custom” made for their bow specifically.

The Bow Wizard is a way better nickname than MFJJ.... props for the Metallica shirt 🤘

Why not prime?

I just wish I could get a decent long draw under 1k

My heart is screaming Mathews or Hoyt....but man are they behind on tuning tech. Noone has support like Mathews though. Dying to shoot an Elite but no dealer within 2 hours. Shew. Might be shooting my DXT for another year.

Don’t know what’s different with the Lift in this video, but I also shoot 29 inches and 70# with a 440 grain arrow, my Lift chrono’d 299 fps

@jakeg2194

8 ай бұрын

Only thing I could think of is mine being like 72# and not true 70#

@casanovafrankenstein8875

8 ай бұрын

😂

@jwild5360

8 ай бұрын

@@jakeg219472 vs 70 is about 4 fps not 20.

@jakeg2194

8 ай бұрын

@@casanovafrankenstein8875 i didn’t just make that up.

@mikestackz854

8 ай бұрын

@@jakeg2194your chrono is probably fast, every review out on the lift is slower than that

What’s the song

I want the address of this shop, friend, please

Why not PSE? Just asking. PSE is putting out serious bows l, qith serious speeds, and performance. I don't see you guys do a lot on them, and I feel they dominate a more than they are given credit for compared to Mathews, Hoyt, Bowtech, Elite so on. I'm brand blind as an archery Manager of a proshop and prior proshop owner. I think everyone has great stuff out these days, but you guys usually don't throw PSE in the mix and I think that is a sad sad leave out because they at times put out better speeds with insane accuracy. Just my 2 cents

@TimConnor13

8 ай бұрын

It’s in Mondays video coming up ✊

How about testing at 50lbs 28dl.

Save 800 on rx 7 or buy 8? Help

What the bowtech in comfort?

@TimConnor13

8 ай бұрын

No, performance

@Angel.Custodio

8 ай бұрын

Most of the reviews show the same. Comfort is minus 10 fps then proformance

@tonyhieunguyen350

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! I just picked up one last week loving it so far.

@tonyhieunguyen350

8 ай бұрын

@@Angel.Custodio that's what I'm getting. I shooting mine in comfort

In every video the lift appears to have a very harsh back wall.

Core sr has only .75 reflex. 1st on my list to shoot. Lift close second. I dhot hoyt since early 2000’s but the vtm 31 they sold me last year has some quality issues and customer service on it was disappointing.

@Fourthkow

8 ай бұрын

What quality issues did you have? I had a limb issue on my VTM … I must have lightly dinged the edge while hunting and it started peeling.

@tonyviers-de9qi

8 ай бұрын

@@Fourthkow top cam leaning right and limb deflection was uneven . Looks bad . I got it to paper tune . Hoyt said… “in spec” and sent it back 3 weeks later

@tonyviers-de9qi

8 ай бұрын

I’ve looked at several other bows and none were like mine . Cant get good groups at distance. To me , it’s just unacceptable for a flagship bow . And even more unacceptable that it’s perfectly fine with hoyt. I’m not totally ditching hoyt but I’m definitely more likely to give the other brands more favor in the future and hoyt will always have a mark against them when i look at their bows

RIP my beloved PSE

No PSE?

Mathews designs their bows to use light arrow set ups, the 29 inch ATA is much faster while the 33 is a more forgiving platform. Run a Victory RIP EV 350 with aluminum inserts and 100gr head and be wowed by the speed and accuracy.

Really like the matthews lift. Can't afford it but still seems like the best bow!

So what one did you like most?

@TimConnor13

8 ай бұрын

Going to take some time to figure that out

@mikestackz854

8 ай бұрын

@@TimConnor13 I’d like to see a video on the one you choose and why you chose it

Nice overview, but still telling people that 1/2” of brace, or DL - power stroke -gives about 5-8fps. It doesn’t. It’s about 4fps. Every single bow I have put thru a chrono has been in this range, whether it runs on fixed mods, rotating mods, or comparing a TRX 3D with a TRX 38 G2. 4fps is the number. Maybe 5 Ona. Good day with some bows, ut I have never come anywhere near 8 with any bow.

I must just be an elite fanboy, ethos would be my pick.

@John-xk7uo

8 ай бұрын

Got one I’ll sell you

@brentlombard3459

8 ай бұрын

@John-xk7uo I've got 3 elites and a prime already, ill be in the market for a carbon bow next. I appreciate the offer though.

@John-xk7uo

8 ай бұрын

Dang right!!!

shot the same bows but the 29 inch version the mathews was by far better imo

Tim = Daddy ❤

This comparison did it for me. Bowtech it is!!

@huntsimple9527

8 ай бұрын

My SS34 is an amazing bow. Bowtech has something going on - and I think the fact that the limbs have very little deflection at full draw has a lot to do with it. Couple that with the Deadlock system and wow, a big winner. Their grip is also very repeatable for me. If Bowtech had the marketing behind them that Mathews does - they would increase market share massively in a short time period........

"it's like how our results will differ when we go to TAC" 🤣 shots fired. mostly by mfjj...mostly misses

With all of the speeds comparable (with the SR Exemption), which draw cycle felt smoothest? I hope we can see an Athens 33 review, I always regreted not buying the Revolt XL, and then Anthens has the same specs, 33 ata and 7 inch Brace height, but with picitinny, etc.

What he meant was Hoyt is king

I mostly thought it was interesting that the elite was the 2nd fastest. (not by a lot, but still) They really skip over the Elite in every video. Like they make a big deal about the stuff on the hoyt, but the elite has adjustable letoff from 70-90%, draw length in 1/4" increments, 2 different back wall settings, 2 different draw cycle mods, plus it has the SET tech for tuning, and the adjustable cable guard and is less than a 1/4 lb heavier than the lift, but they barely even mention it. Tim talks about how "thoughtful" everything is on the Hoyt but barely mentions the same stuff on the Ethos. What gives?

Timmy, thanks for saying “shitload” and not bleeping it. Really drawn to content creators that talk like regular dudes and leave it. Also, enjoyed the video overall. Keep it up, brother!

Shot sense is the same thing as the mantis x8. Id be highly surprised if mantis isn't behind shot sense. The mantis x8 has been out for a bit so I'm really confused by all the hype because this isn't a new concept? I was really wanting some feedback on how aggressive the cam on the lift is? I felt like elites cam was less aggressive than Mathew's last cam and from what I've observed the large round cams seem to have a less aggressive draw. I'm very curious to try the lift to see how the draw is. The bowtech draw looks pretty aggressive, I didn't like the draw of the SR350 on performance with the huge increase right before the dump into the valley.

Sucks shooting left handed. Of the 4 now shops in my area only one carries one brand of left hand bows. So your stuck with what you buy

I'd do some real ratchet shit for the new elite ethos.

And still the same chit grip on mathews. So light that your gonna overload on stab weight. Light is not always good

A pro shop owner wearing a Metallica t shirt deserves everyone’s business.🤘

You could go back fifteen years and copy paste the flagship bow reviews. Only thing new are a few cake decorations…

Bowtech 🐐