Math Olympiad | How to solve for "a" and "b" in this problem ?
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There are 6 solutions a =25, b = 24 a = -25, b = -24 a = 25, b = -24 a = -25, b = 24 a = 7, b = 0 a = -7, b= 0 The squares cancel out all the negatives.
@user-nl6jv9ob7z
Ай бұрын
Есть еще решение : а=-7, в=0
@bertthebird2341
Ай бұрын
@@user-nl6jv9ob7zThis is solution #6.
@jeffw1267
Ай бұрын
This is pretty obviously a Pythagorean triple of the form 7-24-25. I noted that 49 is the square of 7, and the two variables are also squares, so they had to be 25^2 and 24^2.
@davereynolds739
Ай бұрын
My question is what did the Math Olympiad have as the correct answer?
@michaelhuppertz6738
Ай бұрын
Even more than 6: example (a,b) = (+/-9, sqrt(32)),+/8, sqrt(15),..., without definition D= for (a,b) there are many more, the presenter should limit D to integer only.
a=±7 b=0 a=±25 b=±24
@jaume65bcn
3 ай бұрын
Good, our youtuber friend made the tipical mistake of the beginner.
@jeanpaulangevin8618
3 ай бұрын
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@jeanpaulangevin8618
3 ай бұрын
On va pas faire de sport on est à
@Demon_703
2 ай бұрын
it will give the same answer so that he skip this a step(Square cancels the negative)
@giuseppe3y3
2 ай бұрын
Wrong! Wrong!
x²+y²=R² x=b, y=7, R=a therefore, the equation represents the circle b²+7²=a², and has infinitely many solutions in ℝ
@profemarcoresuelve
3 ай бұрын
Esta mal su comentario. Si hay infinitas soluciones y estas pertenecen a la grafica de la Hipérbola.
@markdaniel8740
3 ай бұрын
@@profemarcoresuelvebefore you say that someone is wrong, make sure that you are right. X^2 + y^2 = r^2 will define a circle with radius r that is centered at the origin A hyperbole has more variables to define the focal point
@pm-os7lz
3 ай бұрын
Totally makes sense. However, I view the problem not as one trying to find out how many solutions there are, but one that is trying to find specific solutions based on the relationship between a and b.
@profemarcoresuelve
3 ай бұрын
@@markdaniel8740 Primero hay que identificar quienes son las variables en el problema. Las variables son a y b, y 49 es la contante ,por consiguiente la igualdad a²-b²=7² que se esta planteando pertenece a la ecuación de la hiperbola que esta centrada en el origen. Lo que ud ha planteado b²+7²=a², no es la ecuación del circulo amigo
@rainerinedinburgh5807
Ай бұрын
That's only half correct. The equation x²+y²=r² only represents a circle if x and y are variable and r is the fixed radius. Here you are fixing y=7 (to be more precise, you're fixing y²=7², i.e. |y|=7), and allowing x=b to be one variable, and the radius a to be variable too. For any specific |a|>7, the equation actually represents the four points at which the circle x²+y²=a² intersects the two lines y=7 and y=-7. For |a|
Thank you, very comprehensible explanation.
nice explanation ❤
Đây là dạng hàm số Y=(X*2+ C)^2 Cho biến số X mọi giá trị sao cho X*2 lớn hơn hoặc bằng C ( nếu C nhỏ hơn không), thì đạt được giá trị tương ứng của Y. Tồn tại vô số cặp nghiệm Cặp nghiệm nguyên dễ nhận ra nhất của đẳng thức a*2 - b*2=49 là a =+ - 7 b =0 ( a phải khác 0)
Let a=n and b=n-c, where c is a constant. Thus a^2 - b^2 = 49 can be written as n^2 - (n-c)^2 = 49. Solving for c gives, c = (n^2 - 49)^(1/2) + n. Plug c back into b. Thus, b = -(n^2 - 49)^(1/2). So, if a = n, then b = -((n^2 - 49)^(1/2)). So, a^2 - b^2 = 49 = n^2 - (-(n^2 - 49)^(1/2))^2 = 49, for n >= 7 and n
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In common right angle triangle 7^2= 24+25, consecutive nos in the middle, as per vedic 7^2+24^2=25^2, rest is best known Mukundsir
Excellent. Thanks.
@learncommunolizer
2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!!
Note; {a,b} are elements of Natural numbers which are counting numbers or positive integers, Otherwise we will have many solutions
@lanisilvious7098
3 ай бұрын
But the question does not say so. And you do not say so in the video. How does one know from looking at question?
@is7728
3 ай бұрын
Ok thanks for clarifying🙂
@is7728
3 ай бұрын
And maybe you can pin your comment so that more viewers know this.
@gerar2158
3 ай бұрын
Los número naturales no incluyen el cero. Son los números enteros.
@HedwigBleicher
Ай бұрын
@@gerar2158El cero es un número natural porque para mucha gente una cuenta bancaria de cero desafortunadamente es natural
We know that any odd integer = difference between the square values of two consecutive integers
Incluso \sqrt{59} y \sqrt{10} son soluciones . Por eso se debe plantear bien el problema. Te explico , en realidad hay infinitas soluciones . Las soluciones son todas todos los pares ordenados(x;y) que pertenecen a la grafica de la Hiperbola.
Mr devdas, It is simple, 49=7^2=24+25 7^2+24^2=25^2, this is applicable 4 all odd no squares Mukundsir
One equation n two variables it means infinite solutions !
4:50 для нахождения b проще воспользоваться вторым уравнением системы: ▫a-b=1; ▫-b=1-a; /-1 ▫b=a-1=25-1=24.
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@mtbbk
3 ай бұрын
Ja
Я решил это задачу за 20 секунд. Мне 56 лет. Работаю сапожником 😅
Yes he some ans correct.
Thanks 😊
@learncommunolizer
Ай бұрын
You're welcome! Thank you very much!
Lots and lots of possibilities. The first that comes to mind is ±7 and 0 The next is ±8 and ±sqr15 Next one ±9 and ±sqr32 But also ±sqr50 and ±1 Etc.......... ±25 and ±24 Etc.........
@donsena2013
3 ай бұрын
I think the presenter wanted to consider only integer values of a and b
@marscience7819
Ай бұрын
There are an infinity of solutions. One equation, 2 unknowns.
Works only if it is Natural numbers
El planteamiento está incompleto no se establece correctamente las condiciones o se están asumiendo condiciones no planteadas
This is not correct math. You should have shared your assumptions at the beginning. You are assumung both a and b to be >= 0 and are integers. Otherwise, in this case it is one equation with two variables. So there are multiple values for both a and b. If you assume a to be dependent and b is independent then for all values of a (both positive and negative), there is a value for b. Please each correct math.
@humbertorodriguezperez1214
3 ай бұрын
He is assuming that b >= 0 and a > b (or else a^2 - b^2 =< 0), as well as that both are integers. And right, he should have said he was assuming these premises before starting solving the problem
@dnickaroo3574
2 ай бұрын
Why take so long to derive such a simple result, after the above assumptions are given?
@pas6295
2 ай бұрын
கரேக்ட்
@shushantadebnath5630
2 ай бұрын
This is not the correct solution for the math.
@bertthebird2341
Ай бұрын
@@pas6295What language is this?
It took me a few seconds to solve this problem in my head . A =. 25 or -25, B = 24 or -24.
@kurtsalm2155
2 ай бұрын
I doubt that.
(a+b)*(a-b)=7*7 => (a+b)/7=7/(a-b). 7 can be divided only by 1 or by 7 and so on.
There are 6 solutions as @purnamishra put it above.so please check again
7, 24,25 pythagorean triplet
Much easier way to find a solution in integers: a^2 = b^2 + 7^2 and there's a well-known pythagorean triple, 7^2 + 24^2 = 25^2, so a = 25 and b = 24. Note this doesn't guarantee to have found all solutions.
There are inf solutions along the circle of radio 7 ; a2 + b2 = 7^2
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@pojuellavid
2 ай бұрын
Заграница всегда так решает, для дебилов.
Did you say that a and b are natural numbers?
@mtbbk
3 ай бұрын
Yes
@is7728
3 ай бұрын
@@mtbbk If so, then at what time?
@mtbbk
3 ай бұрын
@@is7728 Oh he did not say but from the answer we can say yes
@is7728
3 ай бұрын
@@mtbbk I understand but there are indeed infinitely many solutions if the question isn't well-written
@jessewallis6589
3 ай бұрын
What are some other solutions?
How about a 7, 24, 25 common right angle triangle
@jeffw1267
Ай бұрын
I spotted that in a fraction of a second, after noting that 49 is 7^2 and that both the variables are also squared. It's recommended that students memorize the smallest Pythagorean triples for college entrance exams. These are 3-4-5, 5-12-13, 8-15-17, and 7-24-25.
¿Cómo salen las soluciones?. Si se hace a=bk (con “k”constante). De ahí, operando algebraicamente se desprende que b=(7*((k+1)(k-1))^1/2)/(k+1)(k-1). En consecuencia, para cada valor de “k" existirá un par ordenado (a,b) que es solución. para A^2-b^2=49
Only b>0, Plus a =0, b =-7
Почему не все ответы? Если а= - 7, b=0 это одно из решений, которого нет в ответе, также а=-25, b=-24, тоже будут решение Всего существуют 6 решений которые не указаны как решение
shouldn t you add that a and b are positive or at most eqal to 0?
625 - 576 = 49. 25^2 = 625; 24^2 = 576. Die Frage ist nur, welche 2 aufeinanderfolgenden Zahlen 49 ergeben. Die Berechnung funktioniert geht so auf, weil die Exponenten dieselben sind.
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Umm, 2 unkowns, one equation. That means specific solutions are impossible, you need another equation! Is there an additional specification, like a and b have to be integers?
The difference of 2 consecutive squares is an odd number. a and b differ 1 it's 49/2, so that leads to 24-25 Are there any other solutions? a and b differ 2 is no good, the squares differ by two odd numbers, so that's even. could they differ 3? That would be (x-2)+ x + (x+2), average x, 49 is not divisable by 3. Neigther is it divisable by 5. But it is divisable by 7, so (x-7)+(x-5) etc. average x=7 1+3+5+7+9+11+13=49, so 0 and 7. Written down like this it seems complicated, but take the first and fourth line and write that in a table
I haven't heard that a and b should be integer numbers.
Para la reflexión de los amigos. ¿Son esas las únicas soluciones?. Por ejemplo: a=14/3(3)^1/2; b=7/3(3)^1/2, ¿es solución?.Si es correcto, ergo, hay infinitas soluciones. salvo que se pidan solo soluciones en el campo de los Z (números enteros) exclusivamente, cosa que no se aclara.
A 8 b 5
7, 0
Two more answers. a+b = -7. a-b = -7. In this case a = -7; b = 0.
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The easiest solution is a=7 and b=0
-7._7=49
How to unsee that. And this channel. Omg.
a+ b = 7 ; a- b = 7 ;a +b = a - b , 2b = 0 b = 0 ; a + b = 7 , a - b = 7 ответ : а = 7 , b = 0 .
A=b+1 a=25;b=24
49 = 24.5 x 2? Who said a, b must be integer?
7 24 25 pysagor
a= 24, b=23.
There are an infinite number of solutions. I'm not satisfied with this approach.
Two unknowns, one equation. Cannot be done. The answer will be speculative. Clearly, a or b is 7, at the same time the other must be 0. The since we have two unknowns in one equation, we have no way of binding the solutions to the variables. Everything else done or said here is nothing but meaningless mathematical gymnastics
Thêm điều kiện của bái toán a and b phải là số nguyên
@professorsargeanthikesclim9293
Ай бұрын
Apparently nonnegative, in fact.
Use Pythagoras
Я в уме без решения нашел корни. И так ясно a=7, b=0.
a=7 b=0 , a is not -7 ,it is imposible, I solved the problem
Only person could solve is Modi.
+8ஆர்-8அண்ட் +5ஆர் -5
a = 7, b = 0
a=56 b=7 a-b = 49 Ok, so I guessed ... it was sure as hell easier that the above. Ok, I am not a math person, but am I wrong???
@HedwigBleicher
Ай бұрын
Yes , you are right that you are wrong. It is a^2-b^2=49=7^2.
@professorsargeanthikesclim9293
Ай бұрын
Don't ignore the squaring and don't only look for one solution if not specified.
2а=50. Из этого СРАЗУ получается а=25. Зачем сначала все делить на 2, потом сокращать 2, и получать 25. Для кого вы читаете математику? Тот кто смотрит это, тот уже кое что смыслит в математике. Эти подробности раздражают. Смотреть не хочется. Это какой-то незыблемый метод и без него сам лектор не может?
Solution by insight 64-25=49 a=8, b=5
@HedwigBleicher
Ай бұрын
64-25=39.
bro forgor plus or minus
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कैसे संभव है यदि a+b बड़ा होगा a-b से तो a+b=7 and a - b=7 not possiable
@heinrich.hitzinger
2 ай бұрын
a+b>=a-b means a+b>a-b or a+b=a-b
a=± 7 & b= 0
@tanklar1
3 ай бұрын
a cannot be -7. a=7 b=0 I solved the problem
@entertainmentzone6838
3 ай бұрын
@@tanklar1 why?
@tanklar1
3 ай бұрын
@@entertainmentzone6838 because a+b=a-b=7
@tanklar1
3 ай бұрын
@@entertainmentzone6838 a-b=a+b=7
@entertainmentzone6838
3 ай бұрын
@@tanklar1 a+b=-7 & a-b=-7 also
8*8=64-5*5=25
@HedwigBleicher
Ай бұрын
64-25=64-20-5=44-5=39≠49
A=25 B=34
@user-ce9rg8ee9k
2 ай бұрын
Ага = 59 😅
OK so. . .idiot question. Why only use the positive factors (1 × 49)(49 × 1)(7 × 7)? (-1 × -49) = 49. (-49 × -1) = 49. (-7 × -7) = 49 For example, using -1 and -49 (-1 > -49) a + b = -1 a - b = -49 2a = -50 a= -25 b = -24 Check: a^2 - b^2 = 49 -25 can be squared (-25)^2 = 625 -24 can be squared (-24)^2 = 576 625-576 = 49 Try -7 and -7 a + b = -7 a - b = -7 2a = -14 a = -7 b = 0 Check a^2 - b^2 = 49 (-7)^2 - 0^2 = 49 -7 can be squared (-7)^2 = 49 So a^2 is 49 if a = -7 49 - 0^2 = 0 0 squared is 0 So b squared = 0 49 - 0 = 49 So i got (a,b) = (7, 0) or (25, 24) or (-7, 0) or (-25, -24). So. . .why are negative factors not factors? Where is the error in my math?
@sadhumetta6770
3 ай бұрын
I was going to ask the same question as well.
Now solve it using calculus.
@Mal1234567
Ай бұрын
All those who think calculus can't be used to solve this, raise their hands.
(25;24)(7;0)(-25;-24)(-7;0)
It ist not correct. Pythagoras: a²+b2=c2 Here: c²+b²=a² 7²+b²=a² When you change the value from b so you change automatically the value from a So you have endless possibilities
-7 -25 -24 are all forgotten in your answers THUMBS DOWN
Это если a и b больше 0
@professorsargeanthikesclim9293
Ай бұрын
And integers.
Cuidado... Estas llegando a unas conclusiones matemáticas que no tienen logica
2. 2 a. - b. =. 49. , a > b 49+1. =. 50 ÷ 2 =25 2 2 25 > 24 25. 24. = 49. Verify 625 - 576. =. 49 So simple..... I follow this short cut method Shortcut square root method.. 15 x 15. = 225+ 15+15+1. =. 31 16 x 16. =. 256+ 16+16+1. =. 33 17x17. =. 289+ 17+17+1 =. 35 18x18. =. 324+ 18+18-1. =. 37 19x19. =. 361+ 19+19+1 =. 39 20x20. =. 400+ 20+20+1.=. 41 21x21. 441+ 21+21+1. =. 43 22x22. =. 484+ 22+22+1.=. 45 23x23. =. 529+ 23+23+1. = 47 24x24. = 576+ 24+24+1. =. 49 25x25. =. 625+ 25+25+1. =. 51 26x26. =. 676+ 26+26+1. =. 53 27x27. =. 729+ 27+27+1. =. 55 28x28. =. 784+ 28+28+1. = 57 29x29. =. 841+ 29+29+1. =. 59 30x30 =. 900+ 30+30+1. =. 61 31x31. =. 961+ 31+31+1. =. 63 32x32. = 1024+ 32+32+1. =. 65 33x33. =. 1089+ 33+33+1. 67 34x34. =. 1156+ 34+34+1. 69 35x35. =. 1225+ 35+35-1. =. 71 36x36. =. 1296+ 36+36+1. =. 73 37x37. =. 1369+ 37+37+1. =. 75 38x38. =. 1444+ 38+38+1 =. 77 39x39. 1521+ 39+39-1. =. 79 40x40. 1600 If you go on adding the two multiplying number plus 1, you will frame square numbers of subsequent numbers easily
Можно решить в уме. Спасибо образованию СССР. Мне 60,решила гораздо быстрее.
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It's not completely
Your not checking the solution at the end. You can trust the maths. Your really checking you didn’t make a mistake
a^2 - b^2 = 7^2 => a=7, b=0. Not perfect hindu logic
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This is mediocre way of doing math. And the fellow thinks it is Olympiad level maths.😅
This is very wrong. Also too many steps. Here is the right answer A=4 B= 3 4×4 =16 3×3= 9 . 16- 9=7.
This is wrong
If you have memorised squares, you know the answer.
@robertloveless4938
3 ай бұрын
That's how I did it. Took about 15 seconds. Just gobup the number line by odd numbers, keep track of how many numbers used. EASY PEASY.
@Uttrediay
3 ай бұрын
Not to brag, but I used a fraction of a second to recall that the difference between 25 and 24 squared is 49 (625 minus 576).
@alfredofettuccine9425
2 ай бұрын
No need to memorize anything: any odd number 2n+1 is the difference between 2 consecutive numbers n and n+1 squared…
No solution. One equation two unknown
@professorsargeanthikesclim9293
Ай бұрын
Incorrect. Infinitely many, unless specified to be integers or nonnegative integers.
Just no. Stop.
Very poor skill of teaching.
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答え a=7 b=0