What did you think of Masters of The Air Episode 4? Let me know your thoughts below! It was an interesting choice to not have any real scenes in the air but I think it worked!

@mako88sb

5 ай бұрын

I enjoyed it. Not sure if you’ve ever seen Memphis Belle but there were scenes showing the ground crews and command staff that had to suffer through the waiting similar to this episode.

@mako88sb

5 ай бұрын

Just wanted to add that I see only one reaction video to Memphis Belle. I think it should get more attention as it’s a pretty good movie for the most part. It certainly isn’t accurate in regards to the actual Memphis Belle and crew but still does an excellent job of showing what those crews went through and why the B-17 had such a great reputation.

@jabthejedi

5 ай бұрын

I found episode 4 slightly underwhelming. Probably the biggest battle of the air so far and we didn't get to see it, unless they will show what happened in subsequent episodes. When they were fixing the plane and it took off, that was a really great scene. One thing this programme did have over some of Spielbergs WW2 stuff (I like them all though) was the lack of slightly cheesy tropes such as actors doing scared acting before missions or 'surprised faces' about casualties and what has become of their units (obviously this did happen though) but that has started to sneak in this series. Didn't really need to see the guy in London for that long if it's a limited series, rather see battles and interactions between various combat groups.

The mission to Bremen where Buck is shot down , is the same mission where my father's plane , the Piccadilly Lily of the 351st SQ/ 100th BG went down with 4 POWs and 6 KIAs. My father , like Bucky , was on leave to London because he had completed his 25 missions on OCT4. The guy that took his place on that Bremen mission at right waist gunner was killed by flak over the target. Dad always said it was luck/fate that he made it to 25 and became a member of the Lucky Bastards Club.

I was really torn to pieces seeing the character Nash die. You see an eager, bright eyed, enthusiastic young man ready to come prove himself after 9 months of rigorous training, only to be killed in the first mission. I felt not showing the raid was extremely effective. Sometimes it is what you don't see that leaves more of a mark, as you have to use your imagination. Great decision on behalf of the writers.

@scottessery100

5 ай бұрын

Poor helen

@danward1070

5 ай бұрын

I can see the positives, like it puts us in the shoes of the men who have to wait anxiously for the others to get back and then have no idea what happened and just have to accept they've gone. However, I don't agree with it's use on Bucks character, I think he was far too significant for him to just get shot down off screen.

@Lekirius

5 ай бұрын

​@scottessery100 I'm sure she expected this, and made sure to not be overattached to Nash.

@nealmccoy5727

5 ай бұрын

@@danward1070 The intro with the music gives a spoiler about his fate.

@jasperdelorino4140

5 ай бұрын

I highly doubt that Buck is dead, a tvshow/ movie rule isif a character didn't die on scene theres. good chance they are not dead, also it wqs mentioned that 4 people got out as it went down.

“Bob” had 2-3 tells that he was German. (Depending if you want to combine 2 and 3 or not. It wasn’t the words of the Star Spangled Banner that gave him up. Even the blonde guy (William Quinn) started mumbling the words of the song when he sang it. Not everyone knows it all by heart, and “Bob” did messed up 2 words but they weren’t egregious and still made sense in that point in the song. Hell, even I do that sometimes and probably would if you asked me to sing it right now.. It was… 1: The date. That was the first obvious tell for me. How he wrote “Day, Month, Year” like most other countries except in America where it’s written “Month, Day, Year”. And the 9 looks like a lowercase g, that’s how Germans write it, with the bottom curling under instead of the line going straight down.. (Actually had to google this one because the 9 threw me off so much. It literally looks like a lowercase g. 2: His accent and him trying too hard (this could be combined with number 3). Saying things like His accent as well. “You guys sure musta kicked the hornets nests” and “They came after us with a fury I ain’t never seen!”. The other characters have their quirks and different American accents and sayings, but this seemed forced. Like “things an American would say”. 3: Not the words, but HOW he sang the Star Spangled Banner. He was so loud and full of enthusiasm and overdoing it (because that’s how Germans were taught to sing their national anthem) and he really overdid it. I mean think about it, if someone asked you to sing the SSB you wouldn’t belt it all proud. The show runners made a point to show the difference in HOW each character sang the song. First, Sergeant Bailey unenthusiastically barely even singing it, then “Bob” BELTING it, the Quinn again unenthusiastically singing it and then mumbling and leaving out words. Very stark differences I believe to be intentional. The fact that Quinn’s character mumbled parts proved more that he was an American more than “Bob’s” belting the song and trying to prove how proud he was of it IMO. I did feel it odd that his last word was “No!”, though and not “Nein”! But, I guess he was probably so entrenched in his spy role it was natural to yell no and he was trained to used American terms even under the greatest of pressure. Again, trying very hard.

@simba642

5 ай бұрын

Also a further possible clue is that the lighter that bob used wasn't a zippo which were almost standard issue

@jimkaratassos

5 ай бұрын

I fully agree with your #1 (the most obvious tell), for anyone who's ever spent significant time in Europe. But there's a lot more in that scene. "Bob" doesn't just write the date as Day Month Year. Bob actually writes, if you watch carefully, "18 Day MAY 1943. Absolutely no American would write a corruption of the German "der 18. mai 1943" like that. Watch it again. See how "Bob" forms his number four. No American has EVER been taught to write the numeral four like that. Watch his hand position as he writes. No child taught in the 1930s in American Palmer penmanship held a writing instrument like that to write, with the middle finger so far off the page. Look at how "Bob" forms both of his numeral ones with the big leading stroke. And everything is straight up, straight down, black-letter style, not the Palmer slant that everyone learned in the 1930s. It's all European as hell. As far as No, 3 goes, there's more to unpack there, too. The answer to the question, "What is your national anthem?" is "THE Star Spangled Banner." Does an American EVER omit the definite article in that song title? List to Bob's enthusiastic third line of the Star-Spangled Banner, "Just how proudly we hailed." It doesn't actually make sense because it's ungrammatical. "What so proudly we hailed" is the correct line, and while Americans may mumble the anthem and get some words mixed up, nobody screws up "What so proudly we hailed" when you understand that "what" is the flag flying over the fort, and we're all taught that in elementary school. No American would ever sing that third line proudly if they understood what they were saying. We'll mumble it before we would knowingly get it wrong. Just look at it and listen carefully. You would have shot him in the head with full confidence, too.

@doomsday9973

5 ай бұрын

Interesting observations! The date was def a dead giveaway

@calengr1

5 ай бұрын

unless Bob had grown up in a German-speaking hamlet in North Dakota, or had been educated in German-speaking Europe ...... but forcing the interviewees to write down the answers must have had a good track record for revealing who was attempting an infiltration. if he had just been shot down the the would have had little chance to swap out for a German cigarette lighter, and he probably could not account for that.....@@jimkaratassos

@CameronCrawford_92

5 ай бұрын

@@jimkaratassos I think you’re looking into this whole thing a little too deep. If someone were to ask me what the national anthem is half the time I would just say Star-Spangled Banner, and the other half I would say THE Star-Spangled Banner. Same thing with THE Pledge of Allegiance, or just Pledge of Allegiance. That doesn’t really mean much to me. He also doesn’t write “18 ‘day” May 1943”. He writes something that caught my eye from the very beginning, but it is way too long to be the word “day”. I got as close as my TV as I could on this one, and even used my cell phone camera to zoom extra, and I still can’t make it out. But it is at least five letters and way too long to be the word day. But still, probably a tell. As far HOW he writes…. Again, looking way too far into it. I know people that write all different kinds of ways just here in the United States. Even in the small city I grew up in, just depending on what elementary school they went to especially when it comes to numbers like the number 4. That is a bit of a reach in my opinion. But it did make me go back and look at how he wrote his number 9. It looks like a lowercase G. Google how Germans write numbers, and it’s almost identical to everything I have found. So there’s a little something there. But as far as the way his pencil strokes I’m not with that one. People write in all kinds of different ways, trust me… I have plenty of sports memorabilia and sometimes the way these guys write confused the heck out of me. It’s been the same way all throughout time. But the number nine is definitely a tell. And probably whatever he wrote before the word May. I think you’re looking into this whole thing a little too deep. If someone were to ask me what the national anthem is half the time I would just say Star-Spangled Banner, and the other half I would say the Star-Spangled Banner. Same thing with THE Pledge of Allegiance, or just Pledge of Allegiance. That doesn’t really mean much to me. And you’re making assumptions again just like you are about the handwriting. I personally was never taught that the “what “we were hailing was the flag and I just quickly pulled 10 friends and family and only two of them knew. Otherwise, it sounds like bad grammar and its own right. it was a poem written in 1814, poems don’t always have the best grammar. So again… Just think you’re looking into it a little too deep. He’s just singing it way too loud and proud just like the Germans do their songs and I just like he probably thought the Americans did as well. Were their hints, yes. Were their clues, yes. But I am assuming most of it is off screen since they were in there for an hour. And the Director focused on a few just to give us an idea. I really don’t think it’s as deep as you’re making it. But to each his own if you wanna have fun analyzing that deep, go ahead. I’m gonna keep it where I’m at and enjoy the rest of the show. I hope you enjoy as well! Au Revoir.

I really enjoyed the more “relaxed” pace of this episode, especially after the intensity of the third episode! It was also great to get more character time with Bucky and Buck. Also the addition of Rosenthal is exciting!

@BrainPilot

5 ай бұрын

I feel like Rosenthal is going to be a great character to follow!

@mako88sb

5 ай бұрын

@@BrainPilot While in high school 4 decades ago, there was one book about B-17’s I would often read at lunch time. I recognized Rosenthal right away as someone often mentioned in that book. For good reason. Pretty amazing guy.

Just watched EP 4 and I was looking forward to your vid. I was hoping they would show their time in Algeria after that grind in Regensburg. Maybe some character development or interaction between the surviving crews. Bummed out they didnt show the struggle of the 2nd Bremen raid (Lost 8 Planes). Still a solid episode for me.

Mortality rate for a b17 crew between 1944-45 was around 46% or more. It was basically a death sentence. Coin flip with the grim reaper. Crazy to think there are men younger than me who made that choice.

@Lekirius

5 ай бұрын

They flipped a coin everytime they went for a mission. Damn I'd rather be a dogface.

I liked this episode alot because they portrayed the human side of bombing and the on ground or 'away from the mission' pressures they faced. Plus the interwoven resistance network to get airmen back home.

@musical_merri

5 ай бұрын

Yes! I loved this episode!

I agree with basically everything you said. I really like this episode showing the other side of things and the people waiting at the base for the planes to return. The only thing this show is missing is the vet convos at the beginning of the episodes and they really should've either dedicated the first episode to training, gunner positions and learning all the crews or done maybe a flash back in one of the first 2 episodes with some back story. Half of the planes and crews we've followed are now dead. And yes Crosby needs to narrative every episode, it was missing last episode.

@danpalance105

5 ай бұрын

too many people across too many timelines to show a training episode like Band of Brothers.

Bob was a German. I caught two tells he made. When they told him to write the date he didn't write it like an American. We write the at as month/day/year, "Bob" wrote day/month/year. His second tell was.when singing the Star Spangled Banner. He sang"Just So Proudly We Hailed", the correct lyric is "WHAT So Proudly We Hailed". So yeah, not an American.

@tigerwarsaw99

5 ай бұрын

Thanks🙏I didnt notice that as im not American.

@maxglen8182

5 ай бұрын

Great insight. Had to rewatch the episode after reading your comment. Not American as well :)

@cartmantke

5 ай бұрын

@@tigerwarsaw99at first I didn’t notice the date, but when I heard him sing I was like hold on, then when they shot him I went I bet he didn’t write the date correctly, because it was odd they showed him writing that. Went back and yep dd/mm/yyyy.

@cartmantke

5 ай бұрын

@@maxglen8182for me it started with the Anthem, when he sang I immediately thought it wasn’t right. When they shot him i thought “Ah they really focused on him writing the date” and had to go back a rewatch him write it and caught it

@nealmccoy5727

5 ай бұрын

I loved the question with Babe Ruth. I wonder if a German would have answered that correctly.

Just finished the episode and went straight to your channel, thanks for the great content man! ❤

@BrainPilot

5 ай бұрын

Glad you're enjoying the videos and thanks for coming to the channel after the episodes! 👊

I am loving this show. My grandfather flew with the 369th and was shot down on his 36th mission in December of 1944. He was taken to a POW hospital and they had to amputate his leg due to it having shrapnel when he bailed out.

Good change of pace this episode and we get a bit more perspective from the ground crews.

@BrainPilot

5 ай бұрын

Yeah I quite liked that. Seeing the likes of The Colonel and also Lemmons rushing to see how many made it back and the panic/worry that they had!

Great review but one scene I believe deserved to be mentioned was a little thought off aspect of the air campaign which was the maintainers. The scene where the mechanic was fixing an engine start issue while taxiing (redball) really made me proud and happy they showed this, being a maintainer myself for 20 years in the AF. The details have been great.

Excellent review, the best of all reviews on the series! Keep up the good work.

@BrainPilot

5 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoy the videos!

i knew there was a good chance things would slow down after the melee in episode 3. I just didn't like how abruptly the episode ended and i feel they didn't do a great job selling Buck's death. It's pretty clear he probably survived becuase i think there are scenes in the opening intro of the show that haven't happened yet.

@BrainPilot

5 ай бұрын

That's a fair point about the intro!

You want to know what blows my mind? 34,000 American airmen were captured by the Germans and sent to POW camps. 34,000!! That really gives you an idea of how dangerous this job really was. That’s not including the wounded or killed in action. To think that’s a small stadium 🏟️ full of people shot down over Europe, just those who were able to bail and got caught.

This series hasn’t even closely lived up to the hype. It just keeps getting every episode.

thanks for the explanation

thanks for the video

Felt like I barely started watching episode 4 before it ended! Totally engrossing and I'm loving it! You get a true sense of just how exposed those young men were up there, and how terrifying it must have been. Top show indeed

I like the way talk about the 25 missions and they how hard it is to beat the odds

My six sense tell me Bob is not dead, but he is very likely to be a POW.

I disagree with Buck getting shot down off screen, I think he was too much of a significant character for him to just vanish. I get that it gives us a sense of what it was like for the men on the ground but i feel the same effect could have been achieved with a character who wasn't quite as important.

@user-fv2qz2bs1x

5 ай бұрын

This series is based on true accounts and Buck Cleven survived the war, therefore he did not die in the raid he became a POW, which we'll likely see in the next episode

As the down airmen were walking up a hill you can see a field with round bales, looks like there wrapped. That's a modern thing, back then probably square bales but more than likely trams or rooks which is hay piled high in a cone shape.

@chumleyk

5 ай бұрын

Yes. Round bales are post war machine made.

@user-fv2qz2bs1x

5 ай бұрын

Good call

I want to see more of the Polish Bird..

Some of the missing people were in prisoner of war camps. In living out the remainder of the war in captivity Spoiler, the main characters in this series are about to themselves vanish into POW camps for the rest of the duration

Wow this eps had me tear up so much emotion going. Love this show so far!

@BrainPilot

5 ай бұрын

Yeah this was a powerful one!

Like the Melbourne episode in The Pacific, this basically felt like a filler episode. Not much happened and, if it did, it was mostly off screen. I assume when they pick up Cleven’s story again, they’ll cover the Bremen raid in flashbacks.

@LuisSoto-ho5fw

5 ай бұрын

There's a very real possibility they'll do just that. But (as you probably know) explaining it here would involve a spoiler 😉

@AndrewBlack-jy1mq

5 ай бұрын

How could you say this was a filler episode ? They introduced new characters Nash was really into that girl and turns on he died on his first mission that’s pretty damn significant and also HERES THE HUGE ONE Buck along with other key characters where shot down lol

What happens to Buck and Bucky was partially revealed in the opening credit sequence.

@dallassucks130

5 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s annoying asf and especially in the trailer

In the Air Corps it is a squadron, a squad is 8-12 Infantrymen. Please edit your input.

SPOILERS on Bob I felt something was VERY odd about Bob was the Star Spangled banner. he probably said he went to Trafalgar Square every other weekend, which we do not see. That will be another Red Flag (Granted 306th BG base was closer to London than Thorps Abbot, but it's still far). He also probably failed the Babe Ruth test as well which we don't see.

Master in the air was amazing

@BrainPilot

3 ай бұрын

Yeah it really was!

I pinged straight away who the infiltrator was. It was how he wrote the date at the top of the piece of paper. Americans write month/day/year. He wrote day/month/year, the English/German(?) way.

Did Elvis leave the building? Why didn't they show it?

In the train scene, seeing black people in Paris in 1943 was very unlikely . Just a fact.

To me the date was the (very) obvious tell for Bob

Can someone tell me how did they get back from Africa? Did they leave the planes to be repaired later and flown back by other crews? or were they repaired there and the crews flew them back?

Is this one Memphis Belle that completed their 25th mission in EP4? Crews of Memphis Belle were the first one made it, and they did one more fly past to celebrate before landing.

@cripplehawk

5 ай бұрын

Memphis Belle was part of the 93rd Bombardment group. They finished their 25th mission on May 19th, 1943. They were based in Bassingbourn England near Cambridge not Thorps Abbots.

@164DiecastVideos

5 ай бұрын

First crew to complete it was Hot Luck - a B-24 liberator crew - but crashed on its way to refuelling in iceland i believe on its way home to the US. Also had the a very high ranking officer who was due to get the role Eisenhower got later. Hence Memphis Belle became the “1st” due to propaganda.

It's lacking the narration to help guide the story. That's what I loved about bamd of brothers and the Pacific.

@BrainPilot not characters they are real people, just like in Miller's book

They knew Bob was a spy by the way he wrote his 9s. He wrote them in a European handwriting style

The spoiler warning was insufficient. I thought you were only spoiling up to the end of ep 4 as that was all that was publicly available to now. You should have said you will spoil events coming after episode 4.

I'm kinda pissed that they didn't show the mission where buck went down. Weakest episode yet.

@BrainPilot

5 ай бұрын

It might make what's coming next really powerful though

Who plays helen?

Shiver your timbers?😳 Mighty quinn?🙄 Jman

Bob gave himself away when he was asked to write today's date on a peace of paper. He wrote the date in little endian. Americans use middle endian.

"my heart couldn't take another pilot in the potato field" Who wrote this crap? Script, acting all of it is just one long cliche

US had it easy compared to the Commonwealth in Bomber Command

Someone let me know when 332nd entered the chat

Spoilers for the episode are fine bud, but please don’t spoil future episodes with historical spoilers for specific characters.

@BrainPilot

5 ай бұрын

Sorry about that! I'll bear that in mind for future vids! I'll provide a warning if I talk about the real life story and the people that are depicted

Why the need for explanation? If the film doesn't make sense, it fails.

So...is Buck MIA?

@BrainPilot

5 ай бұрын

Indeed!

Ah dude. I expected when you said there's spoilers it would be for episode 4 not what happens after. That's kind of s*****

Uh did Quinn ever make it back to England or did episode 6-7 just forget about this lol……Ashame man I love this series so far but 6-7 was a huge let down.

SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS SPOILERS! For those of us who didn’t do research ahead of the series, you’ve ruined a very big part of the suspense. Unreal.

This show kinda stinks man. Intro a new character to show give him an off screen death. Weird.

@dflamm210

5 ай бұрын

Blue ain’t watch the intro🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Buck dead. So sad

@nealmccoy5727

5 ай бұрын

He is not dead. He is in a stalag

@9-nguyenleminhhoang599

5 ай бұрын

@@nealmccoy5727 i don’t saw him in the trailer so i guess that he’s dead

@nealmccoy5727

5 ай бұрын

@@9-nguyenleminhhoang599 He isn't dead. He is based off a real character, Gale Cleven, who was taken prisoner after Bremen attack. They may not show him in the stalag until a future episode.

@9-nguyenleminhhoang599

5 ай бұрын

@@nealmccoy5727 hope to see him back on screen

@SpitFir3Tornado

5 ай бұрын

You can pretty clearly make it out in the intro

How about this one for a review: Boring! Where was the air battle?

@BrainPilot

5 ай бұрын

I feel we've got more of that coming. This was one to take a breath after last weeks massive episode!

I’m not impressed

This show is very safe and very paint by numbers, 4/10. I know the real story of rosenthal, 'You'll do something alright' is a little nod to the fact he was the only one not shot down

This episode is why I cancelled my Apple TV subscription

@BrainPilot

5 ай бұрын

That's a shame! I feel like this show is pretty good!

I don't know...imagine making a show called Masters of the Air and then having an episode with virtually no flying scenes. Weak.

@Doohickeles

5 ай бұрын

i mean, the past episodes have had LOTS of flying scenes, this one was slower paced and not as great as the past episodes but it still is a bit interesting to watch, plus i think it focused more on the characters than the actual flying here. but i see your point

This series has been a bit of a let down so far

I’m sorry to disagree but after watching all 4 episodes this is a very sophomoric attempt at a “Band of Brothers “. Disappointing expecting much more.

@doomsday9973

5 ай бұрын

I think it’s outstanding. I don’t know what you possibly expect.

@stevedavis8329

5 ай бұрын

i agree. I had reservations based on a bad review, but honestly, it works for me. it has to work differently than band of brothers. you can't literally have bombers falling out of the sky, simply because there aren't enough of them left to have even something that maybe got towed up there to fall and burn. Band of Brothers had the advantage of unlimited equipment from various nations that at least looks like Kraut gear from the 40's. They could have really deeply realistic battle scenes without CGI. @@doomsday9973

This show is not good. It's way too polished and rushed. There is barely any character build or personality and overall is it just two-dimensional. Canceled by Apple TV subscription, it's not worth it.

@doomsday9973

5 ай бұрын

I think it’s excellent, too bad

@StuckInOhio10

5 ай бұрын

@@doomsday9973 if compared to Band of Brothers or The Pacific, it's pretty bad.

@doomsday9973

5 ай бұрын

@@StuckInOhio10 disagree completely. And the pacific was hugely disappointing (and a money loser for HBO) especially with all the home front garbage. Considering it’s the same team that made BoB I don’t get what the issue is.

@StuckInOhio10

5 ай бұрын

@@doomsday9973 your statement is invalid. Same team does not mean the same grade or quality of production compared to it's past accomplishments. The character building is terrible and you can tell it has no pace. It's a 5.4/10 as of now.

@doomsday9973

5 ай бұрын

@@StuckInOhio10 so says you. I’d give it an 8/10 easy, and blows the pacific out of the water. 86% on rotten tomatoes so your opinion is not the majority