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@MegaTrill88

2 ай бұрын

"So, Band of Brothers wins." Nuff said!

The interviews with the guys in old age in BoB were compelling beyond belief and [sadly] can never be replicated.

@ericscottstevens

2 ай бұрын

Before Richard WInters died the fame crushed him, it was overbearing on him. So much he refused further interviews about E Co. or the BoB show. He had lived for many decades without much fanfare about the war then suddenly the fame hit he did not want to be a part of anymore. It is regretful to think he spent his final days trying to recuperate from all the celebrity status thrown at him. Hopefully he passed peacefully thinking about everything else not related to the war.

@dapete

2 ай бұрын

@@ericscottstevens I guess that's what happens when Tom Hanks has a crush on you.

@spanishroyalty1254

2 ай бұрын

Say the full name

@dapete

2 ай бұрын

@@spanishroyalty1254 type out BAND OF BROTHERS in a toobs of you comment about MotA?

Cant beat Luz's line ' ... remember boys, flies spread disease, so make sure you keep yours closed.' That sort of thing was missing from MotA.

@ericscottstevens

2 ай бұрын

My favorite [Speirs]: "........We're all scared. You hid in that ditch because you think there's still hope, but, Blithe..., the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function- without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it......" Runner up [Winters]: Salute the rank, not the man" Close runner up [Nixon]......"Ahhh, that's my own piss"

@Randomstuffs261

2 ай бұрын

@@ericscottstevens Nixon's line "Ahhh, that's my own piss" always brings a tear to my eye. Incredibly emotional

@kyleh3615

2 ай бұрын

I don't think anybody will be quoting MotA as they quote BOB (especially since BOB is over 20 years old)

@Please_allow_me

2 ай бұрын

Give me 3 days and 3 nights of hard fighting, and you will be relieved 😂

@roberthampton7517

2 ай бұрын

Do forget Tojo and F-face line in The Pacific!

Band of Brothers was filmed in 2001, lots of WWII veterans were alive and most of the . They could talk to the actors, share feelings, anecdotes, memories about each specific moment: a joke, a nickname... That transmitted a humanity and let you to identify with the characters, something that, unfortunately, is no longer possible because WWII veterans are almost all gone.

Last episode of Masters should have been two episodes. Too much too fast. Loved it. Especially Rosie...

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah that's fair!

@longann7560

2 ай бұрын

agreed !

@piranhaattack4836

2 ай бұрын

At least we got a documentary add on movie to the show

@Mickey-1994

2 ай бұрын

I agree all the way, it really needed that 10th episode.

@longann7560

2 ай бұрын

@@Mickey-1994 At least it would have put the series on par with BOB and TP which both have 10 episodes each. Why this one has only 9 is beyond me.

Band of Brothers was such a masterpiece that it's not fair to try and compare another series to it. That said, no it wasn't as good. MotA had its moments but it's not even close in my opinion.

@IMeanMachine101

2 ай бұрын

disagree it's made by the same people so why wouldn't it be compared?

@CowboysNation22

2 ай бұрын

@@IMeanMachine101because if you watch both series it’s very clear that Band of Brothers is the better series. BOB is damn near perfect so it’s not fair to MOTA to compare it to that. I’d compare MOTA more so with The Pacific and even then idk if MOTA is on that level.

@fitycalibre7555

2 ай бұрын

@@CowboysNation22so damn near perfect? My man I love BoB but people forget the massive issues and inaccuracies it has. And then they conveniently forget about them when comparing it to

@CowboysNation22

2 ай бұрын

@@fitycalibre7555yes damn near perfect. The small inaccuracies it has are easily able to be overlooked because it’s such a powerful story. If the biggest mistake is getting the death of Albert Blithe wrong then yeah that’s damn near perfect.

@CzechImp

2 ай бұрын

''it's not fair to try and compare another series to it (BoB)'' But that is exactly what Apple were doing - selling it as from the same people who made BoB and The Pacific.

IMHO This was the story of the Bloody 100th. Trying to shoe horn in the Tuskegee Airmen (who could have a series of their own) made the show lose its focus. Episodes 7 and 8 must have been directed by someone who didnt see the previous episodes - they were all over the place and flipped back and forth too often. They could have spent more time with Rosey who was shot down TWICE and returned. Or how about spending some time with the 2 downed airmen that evaded the Germans and made it back. The 100th had enough stories that could have filled 12 episodes therefore I feel they needed to concentrate on them. They could have spent an entire episode on just the ground crews and how they kept things going. So many opportunites to concentrate on the 100th. I agree with you that more time should have been spent on D-Day and the days after. Good job BrainPilot - enjoyed your narrative. My 2 cents.

@neilfound3506

2 ай бұрын

Totally agree, it felt like they had bigger plans, but during Covid the series got cut back in size and they tried to put too much in, and that just ended up leaving all story lines compromised. We got half an episode following Quinn and Bailey evading the Germans, then a few seconds of them back at base when an episode following the journey to safety would have been way more interesting. Following Sandra in occupied territory was just a dead end that wasted air time. Too many jumps in time that meant characters weren’t developed, in episode 9 we see Major Crosby, but his character hadn’t really moved on in the show much from when he was a first Lieutenant being sick and scared of his own shadow. The action scenes were the highlights, if BOB is 100, The Pacific for those of us who aren’t American so not that invested in their history is 75 then MOTA is 50. It needed either 2 hour episodes or a second season.

@butterbook

2 ай бұрын

Yes...I LOVED this series...but the last two episodes definitely had a different feel. The Pacific is still my #1

@chromiumphotography5138

2 ай бұрын

​@neilfound3506 Convid? Really - how long ago did that fake boat sail? Is this going to be the excuse from the defenders of Epstien from now on when their project doesn't live up to expectations?

@Atpost334

2 ай бұрын

Agree, the Red tails are a great story, but they lost all flow and focus with it in episode 8. Also good to cover the POWs and Buck’s escape, but spent way too much time with that in episode 9.

@victorcornet21

2 ай бұрын

@@neilfound3506 The show wouldn't be eligible for Emmys, I don't think, unless it included the Tuskegee airmen. (I would love to see an entire series on them.) At least that is the case with the Oscars, anyway, a diversity quota has to be met. I can't imagine the situation is any different with the Emmys.

One issue that i dont see many people bring up is MOA had way to many characters to invest in. They kept introducing new characters just about each episode and it was hard to follow and know their names. With BOB, you had a select group of men who you followed through out the war. That made it personal and intimate. While MOA had great characters like Buck, Bucky, and Crosby; the amount of characters throw at the viewer throughout the show was overwhelming.

@Wollcrauft

2 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing however I think that that was on purpose and probably the life of someone in one of these squadrons, I mean the life expectancy of a B17 crew was 11 missions, they had a constant flow of new faces and old ones being lost. They hardly had enough time to invest in them themselves so their story of new characters coming and going is just going to be in the nature of hearing the stories of the ones that actually survived. Whether that makes for a good show is in the eye of the beholder I guess, I enjoyed it very much but BoB will always be my favorite.

@imanton_20

2 ай бұрын

it was on purpose because replacement would come everyday and die the day after. There is the story of a guy who took a coffee morning of the mission, nobody knew his name, then died and was known as the guy who took a coffee.

@lzhiwei

2 ай бұрын

I think it was on purpose. I felt like they immersed the viewer in certain ways like this; for example us not being able to see Buck's perspective of being shot down and captured to replicate what bomber crews felt when they didn't know the fates of their friends. It's a bit of a pseudo-fourth-wall effect that pays off with as close a realistic effect as possible on the viewer.

@arki___

2 ай бұрын

you gotta know this was based on true story and that's what happened imagine flying the whole 100th with only just eagan and gale.

@scottf5791

2 ай бұрын

@@imanton_20Yeah but this is a show. I need to feel invested in the characters and I didn’t care about any of them and why would they have storyline that go nowhere such as the spy lady?

The "problem" is the loss rate was so high for the 100th bombardment group there's no real core group that fought from beginning to end. So many ended up dead, wounded, or prisoners and scattered all over.

@ianlarue8937

Ай бұрын

This, to me, is the real point of MotA, and why this story couldn't have been told 20 years ago. As Americans, we're not used to seeing "our boys" fail, or lose, or die pointlessly and helplessly. Losing those pretentions, as our standing in the world has changed, makes it possible to tell these stories now.

@joshfata8524

Ай бұрын

you said it best. The way I see it is many people don't fully understand what they are watching therefore they are critical of a subject they cannot comprehend fully. Not their fault but I personally find it unfair to rag on MOTA if you don't have the full backstory. Some will make the argument a show should provide that to the viewer regardless but I see MOTA as almost a show made for those of us who know the history and are able to follow it.@@ianlarue8937

Masters of the Air was fine, but it felt too cinematic. Band of Brothers used a lot more handheld which provided a much more raw and immersive experience. I also felt that there were simply too many characters and too frequent time jumps which made it difficult to get invested in the characters.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I know what you mean about the handheld stuff! In Brecourt and Bastogne especially it made a massive difference!

@ericscottstevens

2 ай бұрын

BoB did jump cuts too, Winters running through that grassy field. Why? was he running towards or from something we did not know yet, then as the story unfolded we see him run up and shoot a SS HJ at the end of a formation kneeling the weeds. It was great thought in energetic storytelling.

@6401gabriel

Ай бұрын

The long take before boarding the plane were Martin asks Lipton about what to say to Guarnere about his brother is incredible.

The BoB supporting cast felt like real humans interacting with each other, where Masters of The Air felt more like plot and drama

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I'd agree!

@Winchester_Mercury

2 ай бұрын

Yes, they looked like real people, real soldiers not actors in the scenes

I liked Masters of the Air but so many minor characters I feel like didn't have a conclusion at all and makes me wonder why were they there or what happened to them? Like Cruikshank, Hambone, Brady who were around since the beginning. Blakely and Douglass who were the only other crew from the start to some how survive the war not shot down. Jack Kidd just vanished after episode 8 and he was around from the start. This video talked enough about Quinn and how they skipped out his adventure, might as well have cut him out of the show really or Helen played by Emma Canning. She was an interesting side character for the 1st 4 episodes and pretty much vanished after that. Could have been interesting to see how she responded to other airmen flirting with her after the death of Nash who she met the night before his death. I know it seems like a rant but it was annoying to see all these different side character's and never see them again. Would have been better if they focused on 1 or 2 bomber crews no more or less really

“Characters in this series just kept dying. I didn’t have time to really get to know any of them”

@PHDiaz-vv7yo

2 ай бұрын

And that’s what made MotA so good. It depends on what one defines as a point of quality for either series.

@maartineriksson

2 ай бұрын

That in itself is not a problem - the whole premise was that we know that the casualties were horribly high. What made it not work the same way as in BoB (where the same thing happens), was that MotA gave a vibe of "you're supposed to be sad now" but we weren't given any reason to care about those characters.

@francisgudatama6274

2 ай бұрын

Some read it as we werent supposed to be sad, but disensitized to death in the air force. ​@@maartineriksson

@IPendragonI

15 күн бұрын

Easy Company lost a total of 49 men, 100th bomb group lost 732 men and 177 aircraft. That's more than 10x the amount of men Easy Company lost in the entire war.

@francisgudatama6274

12 күн бұрын

@@IPendragonI that number doesnt make sense. They were constantly getting new recruits and losing them every step of the way to Germany during the war. Maybe you meant they lost 49 men during the Normandy Landings?

Just to echo what a lot of people had said, the pacing of MofA really let it down because for the last few episodes, I felt they were trying to squeeze in too many characters. Starting with Quinn being unable to save Baby Face to the Tuskegee Airmen, I just couldn’t buy into them as much as I could with Buck Compton or Winters in BofB. The show would have done so much better if it had 3-5 more episodes to flesh out every major plot line. To be honest, I’d love to see a sequel for the Pacific Theater where they cover events like the Battle of Coral Sea, Midway, Mariana’s Turkey Shoot, sinking of the Yamato, and the eventual firebombing campaign over Japan. 8.5/10 imo for MofA

The Blood 100th documentary (episode 10) is really good aswell

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I want to give that a watch too!

I loved Band of Brothers, and the Pacific was extremely well done. Masters of the Air comes in a distant 3rd.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Do you think? That's fair!

To me personally all 3 series i loved them, Band of Brothers in on another level with an Oscar into it's story. The Pacific took some flak back in the day but that series was more darker in tone, but it was good, Masters of the Air is algo damned good, took some negative reviews because of the CGI, but it's an historical series. These 3 series are only for those who had a taste for historical series of WWII. Not fair pitting it against Band of Brothers, just enjoy, watch, suffer the 3 installments.

If you really dive deep into it. Dick Winters made Band of Brothers untouchable. But this story was incredible.

@hayfielddraw4364

2 ай бұрын

While this is true, there were so many characters that helped make BoB. It would not have been the same show without Speirs, Lipton, Compton, Guarnere, Malarkey, Luz, Perconte, Webster, Liebgott, and so many others. It was such great story telling, such great acting, such great dialogue, such great filming, etc, etc it's frankly a masterpiece. It was so good, most other war movies make me cringe now, the Pacific included.

All 3 - the Army guys in Germany, the Navy and Marines in the Pacific, and the Pilots in Northern England were ALL fantastic series. It shows what fabulous, dedicated, disciplined boys and men they ALL were even to coping with everything that war hands you. As a nation we should be VERY PROUD of them, signing up, going to war...they all knew what their role was, accepted it and excelled whether they never made it ashore on Omaha beach or they lived through bombing Germany and POW camps, or being in a ship sinking in "the slot" at Guada canal. Yes, we STILL Have men who accomplish this kind of commitment and discipline today...so tell a soldier of any branch of the service you are PROUD of them and thank them for their sacrificial service to protect and defend ALL of us..

It was good. But it doesn't compare with B of B or The Pacific. I still prefer Twelve O'Clock High movie w Gregory Peck.

Nothing will ever come close to Band of Brothers. I think all of us millennials know this by now. I was born in 89 and had the pleasure of watching BoB when it released in 2001 as a young lad. I didn’t realize I was watching the pinnacle of ww2 shows at the time.

IMO....noooo for a series that was waited for and highly anticipated for such a long time, it bothered me how certain important events were glossed over. The CGI could of been better at times. I think the main characters could of been focused on Buck Buckey and Rosie. It had its moments but such a long and eventful air campaign this series should of been the 10 episode or maybe 12. Out of the three I rank this last of the three series.

Main problem is deffo the pacing, but also it is probs much harder to make an amazing and faithful series on the 100th then it was to do Easy Company, who's story was far more unbelievable, and prolonged than the 100th. Still have to prop up the series as it was amazing, to think what those airmen went through up there

@EliKav

2 ай бұрын

needed at least ten, 50 minute episodes

@ChienaAvtzon

2 ай бұрын

The issue was wasting too much time with the two Bucks. Their time with the 100th was a blip in its history. Rosie Rosenthal was the 100th’s most famous pilot.

I'm not sure why people insist on ranking these three shows. Each represented such different aspects of the war and if you didn't experience it as these heroes did, then you have no reference to say which is better. Rather than rank them, understand that these shows are meant show us how war impacted each character differently, and the fortitude it took to survive during war and how it impacted them after. As a veteran myself, I can appreciate all three shows and what they represent. We don't need to rank them, but appreciate the work that was done to provide them to the public.

@hobiebarry9789

2 ай бұрын

This Comment deserves to be hearted and seen by all you are so right.

@joshfata8524

Ай бұрын

I agree

To be honest, you can't even compare them. Band of Brothers stands alone, on top. Masters of the Air feels like any other generic war show, its okay and entertaining, nothing more.

1. Band of Brothers 2. The Pacific 3. Master of the Air. They released them in order of quality. Best to worst, and the worst is still pretty good.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

That's fair! And Yeah all 3 are incredible shows

BOB felt more intimate and Withers was such a great leader that you followed his story and how he affected everyone. BOB is a classic. They are all good. To really complete the trilogy, now go watch....."They Best Years of Their Lives." the best movie about coming home.

@MegaTrill88

2 ай бұрын

Best so far about about coming home and readjusting after WWII, but a first rate movie or series about returning home after Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Iraq, etc has "Winner" all over it!

@Orly90

2 ай бұрын

I love the Best Year of their lives. Watched it on KZread not long ago. Crazy to think it was made a year after ww2 ended

I'm an aviation fanatic so you can guess which one was my favorite. I mean , the aerial special effects and cinematography was top-notch. I'm also an Army veteran so you can also guess how I feel about Band of Brothers (hint - completely awed by the work and presentation). In the end, overall I'm a WWII buff and hold all that served with such high regards. All I can say is I'm so privileged to have been able to see all three series. I'll be re-watching Band of Brothers to take it all in again.

@jhardycarroll

2 ай бұрын

They had to cheap out on the models, though. B-17Fs were barely in evidence by 1944, but the show didn't have the budget to show the G model with the Bendix chin turret.

@luddite4change449

2 ай бұрын

@@jhardycarroll MoTA had lots of CGI, which was in its cost effective infancy when when BoB was made. I loved the ending of BoB, yes it seemed like the war just petered out for E/506th, but thats what really happened.

@vincent-wu7bw

2 ай бұрын

CGI was trash a lot of the time.🤷‍♂️

@shaneclark5596

2 ай бұрын

@@vincent-wu7bw yep. How could anyone say it was good. The enemy fighters' movements would have turned their pilots to mush.

As a warbird fan and having read many a book on the air war, I feel they left way too much on the table. Just on the technical point of the show, they planes never really changed, and it was quite obvious. And why the Tuskegee squadron again? They have two movies and many a documentary about them, but nothing on the squadrons that actually fought over the ETO. It would have been cool to see Gabreski, Zemke and so forth. I know that some of the technical advisers where let go sooner than they should have been, and that led to quite a few technical errors. There are lots of vids around here to point it out. For the average viewer, the show is fine, but for us Airplane nerds, it was way off. And that is such a shame.

@mattfulmer4243

2 ай бұрын

As a fellow WW2 Aviation enthusiast, I totally agree. I love the history of the Tuskegee Airmen but honestly, their inclusion was strictly to check the mandatory DEI box. It wasn't a bad series, but there were SO many inaccuracies and it pretty much played out as a "Hollywood-ised" version of the Air War.

@snook279

2 ай бұрын

I totally agree and the series lost me when they started making up stories. Crosby and the British woman? I don;t remember reading that anywhere. When they never added a B-17G is another huge fact they missed. Like you said, for me it was way off. Glad it's not out on DVD!

@timoneil6582

2 ай бұрын

I wasn't sure if the ME163 or 262 was used operationally against the 100th, but both were used as defense against bombers over Germany. I was hoping to see the reaction of bomber pilots seeing a rocket propelled or jet aircraft for the first time. Seeing the 163 must have been mind blowing for them.

The only problem of The Pacific and Masters of the Air is that Band of Brothers in simply unmatched. It’s not even fair to be compared with something else

@franciscomap75

Ай бұрын

Exactly, I mean the interviews alone are incredible

It is like comparing apples and oranges. The ground war was literally step by step so much easier to introduce continuity to the story and get to know the characters because they would beside each other all the time. The air war was more erratic not just in terms of the major events but also geographically. And if characters disappeared from the story well that's because that's exactly what happened. As a drama Band of Brothers probably is better but I doubt if a more fitting tribute to the 100th Bomber group and those brave young men (and women) will ever be made. The last episode was outstanding and I was in tears.

As someone who lives 5 minutes away from Thorpe abbots, I love how they gave a load of attention to east anglia in its role in the war!

Your assessment was spot on. I thoroughly enjoyed Masters of the Air, but Band of Brothers left a bigger impression on me.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video and agreed!

You just can’t replicate the kind of performances you see in band of brothers- the acting is just so god damn good. Still both mota and the pacific are amazing and helped millions of people understand nuances of the war they never would’ve otherwise

MotA doesn't even come close. Band of Brothers had much better dialogue and wasn't sensationalized. The big thing for me was music during the action scenes. Band of Brothers just had raw sound, no music to tell you how to feel during battles. Masters of the Air was far too cinematic during battle scenes and made them feel less authentic. I think it had a lot of good going for it but it missed the mark by being too much.

But you have to realize I don't think they could fit 2 years of war in 9 episodes and same thing with the pacific from 1942 to 1945. Band of brothers just had it with from 1944 to 1945

@nissanzenkiboy

2 ай бұрын

Is the pacific good ?

@ldmb1966

2 ай бұрын

@@nissanzenkiboy Very good. More brutal than BoB, but that the reflects accurately the brutality of the Japanese compared to the axis forces.

@dobridjordje

2 ай бұрын

​@@ldmb1966The Pacific is the most realistic, grim and brutal depiction of combat that was done in the PTO ever filmed. Out of 3 of them, The Pacific is by far the most depressing and genuine portrayal of combat.

I'm sorry but if we're talking beyond the technical aspects, a comparison is unfair. Historically speaking, the stories that are based around the three units (Easy Company, 1st Marine Division, and 100th Bomb Group) are different in that some units' stories can be told more easily than others. With Band of Brothers, the opportunity to tell a story about wartime camaraderie and brotherhood comes naturally because the emphasis is on a small and cohesive unit, which comes off as an outcome of historical luck. But for The Pacific, which follows a larger group, they chose to hammer hard the concept of "war is hell" which you won't find anywhere else than in the Pacific Theatre. With Masters of the Air which follows a regimental-size formation, the emphasis was on portraying the Air War as well as experiences of airmen POWs. I know that Band of Brothers is a phenomenal series. But to compare the installments that followed to it is a disservice to what the subsequent series were trying to tell. Beyond the technicality aspect of filmmaking, each installment should stand on its own and so should be analyzed on its own.

I like in the last episode where Rosie and Crosby said “Sir” to Egan and Clevens like they were still their superiors while everyone at that point were Majors and not Captains or Lieutenants

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah that's true!

after watching the entire series I only got a little invested with Cros I saw him as a poor man's Carwood Lipton, there was character development but not as long as what we got for our beloved 1st Sgt. whom we even saw smoking later in the series. I think BoB just had the perfect timing of real history and hollywood embellishments for us to enjoy it. The Tuskegee airmen in my opinion should have a series of their own I felt it was just added for the sake.

Read the book, it fills in a lot of details. Air war stories are very difficult ones to tell on film. I think they did a great job on the series. Band of Brothers is a more relatable story for a lot of reasons, it has broader appeal as we've probably all imagined what it would be like to be a grunt even as kids playing war, ( I guess that's not done anymore), it also was released at a time when America needed to see an expression of It's military might post 9/11. That alone increased its popularity immensely. In addition, a lot of the guys were still with us then. As that horrible war moves further in to history and the last of the combatants die it is important to remember the three series are a tribute to the people that fought for the Allied Forces in WW II, the were truly a great generation.

All of Spielberg/Hanks visual library of events in WW2 are masterpieces and give us an insight into the lives of amazing young people who took on responsibilities that astound us. I believe that We can't compare these different theatres of war as entertainment. They are stark reminders of what was sacrificed.

We need another with troops on a sub, destroyer, carrier. You can do either ocean.

A big problem with MotA episode 9 was that they didn’t move the B-17s into the ‘G’ model that they certainly were in late ‘44/‘45. That being said, I love studying the air war and definitely put MotA up there with BoB. Both great with The Pacific in at third.

@PHDiaz-vv7yo

2 ай бұрын

The G model had the chin turret- more of a blunt nose. The F model used throughout was sexy AF

@Atpost334

2 ай бұрын

@@PHDiaz-vv7yo Yeah, the F model was aesthetically better. However, it looks very weird in silver trying to pass for a late war G model. Bizarre that they went through so much for accuracy and then totally screwed that up.

I understand the feeling on the speeding through stuff it seemed in MOTA and also wish we had more time or more episodes but one thought is maybe there isn’t a whole lot of information for the current guys either. Fortunately most the BOB guys got to know their guys they played or about their guys from their buddies. It truly was a very special series and remains that way today even amongst the actors and the true vets families.

I don‘t need to compare them. Each of them is a masterpiece. And each shows us the cruelty of war, friendship, bravery ……

Pacific came out in 2010… jesus time to sign up for AARP (Im 25)

There really is no comparison even if MOTA was even half as good as Band of Brothers, which really was. a masterpiece. MOTA screwed up episodes 7 and 8 so bad that it turned a great series into one that was just good. They at least should have stayed truer to the template used in Band of Brothers and the Pacific which really took away from the whole thing.

Rosie should have featured far more. He was with the 100th for 16 months and is perhaps the most famous B-17 pilot of the war. Would have loved to see more of his real life exploits like bringing back crippled bombers to England. The pacing was problematic, but comparing it to BoB pacing is not a good idea. Easy Company got pulled off the line to rest and refit after Normandy and Market Garden, so there were natural time jumps built into the real life story to begin with. The 100th BG was in continuous action for 2 years. Also as others have mentioned, budget issues probably cut the show short. The final episode is an hour and twenty minutes, which was probably two episodes put together. The first six episodes if I remember right, cover just a few months in ‘43, leaving just three episodes to cover the rest of the war. I think they definitely left a lot on the editing room floor, which made the pacing worse than it was. Introduction of Tuskegee airmen was a waste and very forced. They deserve their own series anyway, and we never even saw them doing what they are famous for, escorting bombers. Perhaps that was done because with the movie Red Tails, that isn’t new content for most people particularly the target audience of the show. But it took away valuable screen time. If you are going to include them, why not introduce them on an escort mission? No show is perfect, and I really enjoyed the series. Using real B-17s for a lot of the ground shots/taxi was awesome. It covers some big missions during the war and sheds light on an oft forgotten and bloody chapter in American military history.

Sadly there is a huge difference between Band of Brothers and Masters of the Air and that is the Source Material. In Band of Brothers the source material was literally the people who were there, they would literally go back and ask people like Winters or Guarnere what happened in this moment, the actors got to talk with the people they were playing or meet their friends and relatives. In Masters of the Air we have the books written by the people that were there, sadly we can't go ask these men because they have all passed on. On the whole I found Masters of the Air to be a great series, my biggest gripe was I felt the section with the Tuskegee Airmen felt forced and would much rather see an entire series dedicated to those brave men.

@macmcleod1188

2 ай бұрын

I also found the book "masters of the air" to be more about the unit and less about the people than the book "band of brothers."

@user-pj2ru6ke7d

16 күн бұрын

I agree , the Tuskegee airmen depiction was so brief it didn’t tell their story!

No series for me will ever come close to BofB. My husband and his father were fighter pilots, and I've always been exposed to that type of flying. I never saw much about "heavies" and I have to say, my God, those young men were as brave as any that sat alone in a fighter cockpit.

I think band of brother was just able to make you feel as you were part of that division and you actually build the bond with all of the squad Masters of the air. It was just hard to follow or get attached to specific characters. However, I still really enjoyed it.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I know what you mean!

Your opinions perfectly match my own on Master of the Air. I loved it, but I personally don't think any war movie or series can ever top BoB. My only real complaints about Masters was exactly what you pointed out. The time jumps, and some of the interesting sub plots not getting more attention, and essentially happening off screen. I did enjoy Masters more than The Pacific though. Like BoB (which I probably watch at least once a year), I can see myself stopping to re-watch Masters on TV down the road when it eventually makes it to cable like BoB, which is something I just don't care to do with The Pacific.

I think what made BOB more immersive IMO, was the cast went through two weeks of training to get more into their roles. They learned the in's and out's of their gear and somewhat of the physical training that would go into being a paratrooper.

What made Band of Brothers so special was when it aired there was no social media and Internet to spread the awareness by overhyping everyone. It literally came out of nowhere in many ways. It being on regular TV was even more brilliant.

The two series cannot really be compared. They are completely different types of campaigns, with completely different impact of members of each unit. Too many people expected MoA to be just like BoB, but that simply wasn't the way it was in reality.

All 3 series are outstanding! Every person will have their own favourite series/episodes. pointless question asking "Masters Of The Air VS Band Of Brothers - Was It As Good"?

You should watch the documentary released along the final episode, the bloody hundredth (i think that most people missed it). I believe it really improves each one of the 9 episodes as you discover how they used real stories, pictures and footage to make the show (told by some of the characters that appear on it)

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I'm definitely going to give that a watch!

People complain over the lack of character development not realising that THAT was one of the main points of MotA. People kept dying in the air war at a staggering rate. With that being said, it didnt top Band of Brothers, but wasnt far from it IMO.

It could’ve benefited from a larger budget. There were many different stories in the series that were cut short or not fleshed out. I think that was mainly due to cost. Sure, maybe they shouldn’t have even started them to begin with, but it doesn’t ruin the show for me. They did alright with what they were given.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah Austin Butler did a great job! He definitely grew on me as the season went on

I’m afraid it fell short of being as good as band of brother - but then again, most things do. I still enjoyed it. It’s just not got that timeless feel that BoB has.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I think BoB is going to be a difficult show to beat!

I actually thought some of the MotA special effects looked too low budget. Surprising for 2024 and the production team involved

Band of brother is always gonna be the best but masters of the air was awesome and exceeded my expectations

@BrainPilot

Ай бұрын

Yeah BoB is just so good!

Can't beat Dad's Army. Tops it with the fact that one actor (Ridley) served in WW1 and WW2.

The storytelling suffered because there were too many "main" characters who all had differing storylines and none of them were given an episode to their storyline thanks to the chronological narrtaive of the series. There was no handover from one storyline to another. The fact that they messed about with facts also detracts (eg, the 1945 Forts were still NOT the G model? Was that even possible?) and shoehorning the Tuskeegee airmen so late in the game gave too many focal points and ended being more like "look at me" cameo style. They could have stuck with Buck/Bucky as the A1 plot before making them the B plot and handing off to Croz/Rosie (from Munster raid onwards) as the A1 plot. This could have been told as their counterpoint stories - eg, Croz more or less "safe" in UK, while Rosie getting shot down in France and escaping capture could have replaced Quinn's story. The "Sandra" C plot could still have worked (if whittled down more...) and the Tuskeegee airmen could have been omitted (give them their own miniseries). If needed as another C plot , they could have introduced them earlier & worked story as snippets of flashback AFTER they are in Stalag Luft 3, because we're can also have the themes of racism, etc, better explained over more episodes.

There's no point in showing their PoV of D-Day because honestly it would have been boring in the air. The Allied Airforces were practically uncontested by the Luftwaffe. The show showed us their version of BoB's D-Day: Regensburg, Bremen and Berlin

I don’t think MotA needs to be compared, with more action packed BOB. The air war was more about calculating risks and strategy, more difficult to relate to

Masters of the Air could've given us more of the action when it became more balanced towards the Allies side. We just saw the parts in which the USAAF gets slaughtered by the Luftwaffe, which were done with great artistic effort by director Cary Fukunaga, leaving us with the absolute dread it must have been to climb onto the B-17 on those days. Once the P-51's were up, they just told us in very few words and scenes how much the aerial warfare changed from that point on. They got the "war is hell and soldiers are expendable" part from the Pacific and forgot to give us something in return. The Marines went through hell at each island they hopped on, but at least they showed how they won their battles and how it contributed to the bigger picture. Masters of the Air uses a "the protagonist was asleep" trope to skip through D-Day, which was unspectacular and anticlimactic. They tell us the preparation for Operation Overlord would require the bombers to be used as bait, implying that the losses would be even worse than before, but that's not exactly how it happened. On the positive, the acting and the production were beyond great, you get really enthralled by the sets, the planes and the onscreen action and drama. The depiction of the Tuskegee Airmen was fantastic, despite taking so long to come up and being only one episode on what is, inarguably, one of the USAAF most famed units.

Band of Brothers, #1. The Pacific, distant #2. Masters of the Air, #3.

I think it would e better to compare this to The Pacific. Band of Brothers followed a single company, and the attrition was minor compared to the Marines or the 8th. The biggest problem of Masters of the Air was the budget. They didn't have enough money to do ten episodes, so a lot of compelling material was dropped (you could easily have a ten-part series on the Tuskeegee Airmen, and the POW stories are equally rich). The Pacific was based on the best combat memoir ever written, Sledge's With the Old Breed. They also used Leckie's book Helmet for my Pillow and whatever they could find about Basilone, but the problem with that show was the war itself, the nature of combat with the Japanese, had no heroism or romanticism. It was slaughter, as brutal as war can be and therefor unpleasant to watch. They did a decent job with Masters, but most viewers didn't feel much of a connection with the characters,

I think they invested most of the masters of the air budget into CGI.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I imagine so

I loved MotA, only thing I did not like were the timejumps. Would've like one or 2 episodes focused more on action. But still, loved it :)

I liked MOA better than BOB... I retired from the Air Force so I'm a little bias.

First thing that came to mind when i saw this 2 shows side by side is the difference in colour. I don't know why modern films and series have a lack of contrast. Masters of the Air is a very colourful show, but compared to BoB the image feels washed up.

Cannot compete with BOB no backstory is enough to give it 2nd tier status. Plus the terror wasn't developed Buck Compton's arc from the BOB series was better than any one storyline on MOA.

As mentioned in the video, I don't think that anything is going to meet or beat Band of Brothers. Imo, the series is almost perfect in every way. I thought the third episode about Blythe slowed down the pacing a bit too much and focused on a secondary character that had never been introduced up until that point, and then was never really talked about after that. Of which, I feel like they could've focused on another character instead and it would've been even better. That being said, the series imo is still at least a 9, if not a 9.5/10. I love the way that they focus on Easy Company and a single group of men as opposed to Masters of the Air which jumps around from telling multiple different stories from multiple different points or locations in the war. The Pacific did something very similar and because of the jumping around from different characters in different locations, the episodes and especially between episodes would take up weeks and weeks, if not months and months of time that was oftentimes not shown on screen. BOB imo is just far superior in every way, even imo the special effects as MOTA had several moments where the planes were flying and it just looked so fake and honestly quite bad. MOTA I had been waiting to come out for years and years, and was honestly quite disappointed in when I was watching it. You'd think for a show that was called "Masters of the Air" that it would actually spend the majority of time up in the air. I'd say probably 90% of it occurs on the ground and was honestly quite boring. There were a couple decent action scenes earlier on, but goodness ever since about episode 5 or 6, the rest of it pretty much takes place on the ground or in the POW camps. The final episode was definitely my favorite, but it also seemed like they had filmed it first or maybe earlier on and then ran out of money. So they had to make the rest of the story about drama as opposed to action? Having Crosby tell the story as a navigator that only went up for a few missions and then was on the ground the rest of the war was pretty boring. As was his affair with the English officer, and the 3 days that he ended up sleeping which took place over D-Day which just glanced right over it as well. You've also got the final episode that basically takes the viewer from August of 1944 until the end of the war, which was almost a year later. Which imo was just too much time to only spend one episode on, and instead I wish they would've focused maybe on Rosie's initial 25 missions that he flew with his crew instead. I think that would've been much better than being all over the place with different characters, different stories, slow pacing, little action and so forth that the series ended up becoming. BOB definitely had a few episodes that were slower but goodness, they more than made up for it with the action scenes and everything else. Even the actors in MOTA just didn't seem to have any bond or connection with one another like they did in BOB. Which is infuriating because I feel like MOTA had the potential to be such a better show than what it really was. I feel like if they focused on one crew, like Rosie's, and was like the movie Memphis Belle where they focused on that specific crew doing their 25 missions, that it would've made for a much better show. That and spending the majority of the time actually up in the air as opposed to drama, relationships/affairs, spending way too much in the POW camp, etc. Still a decent show, but one imo that fell pretty flat and could've been immensely better in every way.

Honestly I think the reason the pace is off for both MOTA and The Pacific compared to BoB is because BoB takes place in a shorter amount of time cause the 101st were only in active combat for less than 1 year as compared to the 8th Air Force and 1st, 5th and 7th marines

I felt with Masters of Air it was almost like they had written for 14 episodes at least, then they were told that there was only money for 9.

I like it more personally, but I love both!

I was very disappointed in Masters, the first 5 episodes were very good, but it was as though a different production team were involved in the last 4 episodes, technically I’m sure it was very good, but as you mentioned so many things were missed out, what happened to the girl who was the spy? BOB is without question the finest portrayal of WWII combat we’re likely to see, Masters could have been brilliant, but obviously it was made for an American audience, who don’t care about historical accuracy.

Masters of the air was great. But it desperately needed another episode or even two. The first half was perfect but episode 8 specifically really dragged the series down. The Tuskegee Airmen should’ve been in it earlier or not at all. Not only that but it skipped D-DAY and went all over the place time wise that made it confusing. Just having another episode inbetween 8&9 would’ve gone the extra mile

I felt more emotional at the end of Memphis Belle than I did with Master's of The Air.

Feel like a lot of cuts were made and masters of the air needed quite a few more episodes to flesh things out. For the viewer people travel great distances too quickly. Like Rosie somehow getting back in Britain so quick after being shot down in eastern Germany.

I loved Master of the Air but I'm a pilot so the visuals drove me nuts! Top Gun 2 really got how to film aircraft perfect, I think they should have started by filming similar aircraft actually flying and then animate the B-17 onto them like Top Gun 2 did.

Masters of the Air was incredible. And that's not an understatement from me; It was thrilling, engaging, exciting and emotional. Though yes, I agree BoB edges out over it.

The finale of MotA had its moments but the worst part, in my humble opinion, was trying to replicate the concentration camp episode of BoB. Unlike the BoB episode which had the time to truly move you through the brilliant shots, storytelling, and character relations we as the audience had formed with the E company members, the MotA finale didn't have the time or the masterful storytelling to make the impact and falls flat on its face in that part. Although shout out to MotA for mentioning the unspoken occupied neutral country of WW2, i.e. Iran, through Rosie flying back from Tehran! A shame they did not show any of it and just skipped the whole getting back thing with a time jump.

I have looked at Band of Brothers multiple times, ever since it's original release in 2001. I haven't seen one episode of Master of the Air...I have no desire to.

@BrainPilot

Ай бұрын

It's definitely worth a watch!

The finale was simply fantastic, easily one of the best episodes of the show. There seemed to be a strong connection (perhaps intentional) between the scene of Rosenthal at the camp and BoB's episode 'Why we fight'. I still think BoB did a better job of showing the raw emotion of the human experience experiencing such imense horror, but in this scene and in general this show often evoked a lot of emotion out of pure silence, of images where we all knew exactly what had taken place. To me it was a moment for which Rosenthal perhaps was questioning whether all the carnage was worth it only to witness perhaps the greatest justification of their efforts to stop that evil. The show although different was very powerful and for a limited budget I think they did the best they could. I agree the time jumps were excessive and there could have been a season alone on the redtale's story, but I think they felt it important to describe the change in air offensive with the introduction of higher performance aircraft later in the war, relative to the 100th's bombers and given the budget constraints I would imagine that explains much of the jumping around. All in all I believe MOTA was better than The Pacific and BoB still holds the 1st place in the best WW2 series ever produced (and for which may ever be produced in the future).

if go by the books and the materials used for these series Band of Brothers was top, it had more characters majority of them still alive when these books was being researched and written. They did a good job of capturing and telling the story is a short amount of time. You really want to tell directly from what was written on the book, I would say it would be very to put it on film and more or less it's never been really done before. The film would be very long, longer than all three series combined and very costly. These two Band of Brothers and Master of the air I think was just right at this time. May be technology and more budget as well filmi making innovation may change that decades from now, they are gems. Pacific was vast theater, air sea and land, As well as missing pieces like Dec to May the retreat to Bataan, or Singapore and Malaya. Aleutians, the cost watchers and Australians/New Zealand. or the building up of the Guerrilla movement in occupied territories instrumental in making the liberations. Submarine warfare like the Darter and Dace or battle of surigao strait, Leyte Gulf, Okinawa and Bloody liberation of Manila. which always overshadowed by Iwo Jime which happened at about the same time.

I feel like Masters of The Air was kind of this ghoulish almost horror/ terror vibe at times with the battle scenes, nature of the deaths, nature of the environment. Especially the scenes where the planes just came back destroyed and they were counted coming back and you dont know how many are lost. Then they "silently" "calmly" come in to land and taxi- then they send out the ambulances and its just a gorey chaos of injuries and smoking airplanes. Or after a crazy air battle theyd skip to the next day, not show the mission, and all you get are the stories from the scratched up guys who made it back that day. Was very unsettling in a great way in terms of TV, and reminds you how everyone convenes down here at base- then they go way up over Germany and a lot dont come back. Horrorifying circumstance

“Masters of the air peaked too early which meant that there was uncertainty in which way it could go” BOB episode 9 description: Easy Company finally enter Germany, to little resistance, and have a chance to relax for the first time in a long while. A patrol in a nearby forest discovers an abandoned Nazi concentration camp, still filled with emaciated prisoners. Locals refuse to acknowledge the camp's existence. The peak was peaked.

loved both but Masters wins imo. I just absolutely loved everything about it.

Band of brothers was great and a much easier story to tell. In Masters with the pace of the action and the fact they held true to keeping masks on it was hard to keep up with who was who. Also with the number of losses many crew members were just no on long enough to connect with them death was fast and life was short in the air. I believe they did a very good job with each of these series. This by far was the best on the army air corps I have seen. Having spent time in a real B17 I could relate to what was shown and they have come as close as anyone. I wish they would go a movie on A Higher Call. That book was great. Not only what happened between the American bomber and German Ace but the story being told from the German perspective at the end of the war, the German war machine was not one. Many of the pilots held much different thinking than the SS and Hitler. It was interesting how they would try to get air crews away from the SS to protect them. They were enemies but they fought with honor in many cases.

It felt a lot like LOTR theatrical versions. "Good" but a bit sterile and who the hell were half the characters etc.

I liked both, but I'll take BoB over MoTA any day. Aside from the "major flaws" in BoB that come in the form of inaccuracies that only those with a diehard interest in WWII may notice, it was almost perfect otherwise, esp. when stepping into the mind of the average watcher. The story, cinematography, pacing, and character development from Currahee to The Eagle's Nest in BoB is a masterclass in television, and it's as emotional as it is immersive and explosive. Each episode circles a certain character, giving them room to grow in the eyes of the viewer, something that really worked in its favour - and something MoTA didn't do. Sure, I liked Bucky, Buck, and Cros' and their supporting cast, but whereas MoTA felt like a bunch of guys acting like flyboys with funny accents, they lacked the depth and realism, the little things, that BoB perfected. Still gonna rewatch MoTA in full as I really enjoyed it, but I don't think this is even a question. It was not as good.

Now all we need is WW2 Mini series about A British Infantry section or tank crew and a Commwealth mini series.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

That would be cool!

@samuel10125

2 ай бұрын

@BrainPilot There is a book about a British Tank crew who fought all the way from North Africa, Italy to Normandy, Holland to Germany and apparently its pretty gritty If in right it's called The Tank War by Mark Urban.

Band of Brothers - the best of the trilogy, followed by The Pacific, and then Masters of the Air, which lacked focus, but it couldn't be helped considering most of the original members were lost. Barry Keoghan's Biddick was the only one who felt to me as though he could've walked out of the Band of Brothers cast.

1. Band of brothers 2. The pacific 3 masters of the air

All 3 were brilliant. There are definitely episodes better than some band of brothers episodes imo. I’d say the best finale was the pacific, seeing the effects of the war like PTSD was heart breaking.

I don't think this series could have ever connected like Band of Brothers. They couldn't get the interviews, sure, but the airmen in the war were just less connected. They faced their horrors and their losses, but it could never really be the same as men on the ground. Soldiers on the ground are just more vulnerable.

@franciscomap75

Ай бұрын

And yet airmen suffered higher casualties than soldiers on the ground.

They forgot how to tell a story in parts of this series and loaded up latter episodes with a number of irrelevant and pointless plot lines that wasted precious time that would have been better used concentrating on the core characters and subject matter. I can't say the same about either Band of Brothers or The Pacific, both of which were clearly well focussed and superior to this effort in almost every possible way. The less than stellar quality of this series has diminished the 'franchise' somewhat and I predict future similar projects bearing the names Hanks and Spielberg (should there be any) won't generate quite the same excitement or anticipation as a result.