I own exactly these two bikes in these colours and also the 125ccm Black Seven. I bought them all in 2020. They ride all perfect on the small streets in the Black Forest in Germany and all country roads. They are made for this. The Scrambler ist perfect to hunt Big Bikes on small streets. The "fivehundred" is good to make 400km a day without any problems. Both take exactly 3,2 Liters E10 on 100m. I feel it doesn`t matter how fast i drive. Both have about 8000km no problems. Tires on the 500 are now BT 46, on the Scrambler Pirelli Enduro. Both run 145km/h (90mph) with GPS. Speedometer are really exact and show same Speed as the GPS. The sound is very different but both sounds fantastic. Only the brakes are lousy if you prefer a really fast rde. The Black Seven is top in town and for a short trip on sunday morning. Consumption only 2,1 Liter/100km, it runs 103km/h GPS, speedometer shows 120 ???. Tires now also BT 46, really really top. The brakes are the best, much better than the bigger ones above. Sound is top. Also no problems on 6500 km with E10.

Just bought the Genuine G400( usa version) great sound, comfort and smooth power! Thoroughly impressed!

@derek9153

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear! I just bought the same bike as you. Arrives soon. Can’t wait.

@allans7281

3 жыл бұрын

You’re going to absolutely love it it is a dream to ride what color did you get

@derek9153

3 жыл бұрын

@@allans7281 Awesome! It’s exciting to hear this from someone who owns one. I chose green.

@derek9153

3 жыл бұрын

@@allans7281 MSRP $3,999. More importantly to me, it makes my heart smile when I see it.

I have the Australian version - Sol Invictus XY400 - what a fun bike - the engine is the old Honda XR400 single with radial valves - the crankshaft etc are genuine Honda parts, the bike is made by Shineray - it's actually quite impressive build quality - l fitted a sump guard (ex XR400) (the oil pipes run under the crankcase & are vulnerable), MITAS EO8 tyres, Barkbusters, heated grips, LED lights, the Scrambler handlebars as l do quite a lot of off-road (we are blessed here with lots & lots of dirt roads) - except for the exhaust which reduces ground clearance the Scrambler could have been a different choice - l have the older Carby version - the fuel tank actually takes 15litres - enough for nearly 400klms - it will sit easily on highway speeds 110-120kph with very little vibration - as you found turning circle is minute - such great value for the money - is relatively light weight & incredibly well-balanced

@charleshueckstaedt5064

6 жыл бұрын

Hello Keith , im from wisconsin usa . very interested to learn more about these bikes . as i will be retiring to the philippines and buying the motorstar cafe 400 . can i email you..to learn , you seem to really have alot of info . lake1001@gmail.com thanks ......

@keithralfs5190

6 жыл бұрын

Your email bounced -

@keithralfs5190

6 жыл бұрын

Charles your email bounced

@keithralfs5190

6 жыл бұрын

l think that's the one l tried

@keithralfs5190

6 жыл бұрын

Oh l see 1001 & lakes are reversed

Thanks guys for this fantastic/fun review! I've ordered the roadstar a few weeks ago. (Here in Belgium it is called the "Mash five hundred 400"). I've watched this review many times, and based on it, I've made that jump to this bike. Really looking forward to pick it up.

When you say 'twin cylinder' based on the Honda XBR. The XBR was a single cylinder four valve with twin exhaust outlets. I think you've made the common mistake of counting the exhaust headers and thought they were cylinders.

@motorsforthemasses

6 жыл бұрын

doh!

@desroin

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah the Mash bikes are all single cylinder as well.

@petewelsh9978

Жыл бұрын

It’s a single! If you’re going to go to all the trouble then get the basics right, it devalues an otherwise good review.

Did ya'll realize the Mash 500 is a 400cc single cylinder engine with dual exhaust ports ? ? ? I hope so, enjoyed the review, thanks !

@arsbadmojo

11 ай бұрын

I don't believe they know.

I had an XBR 500 in the 80s, I loved it, the sound on the Roadstar is the same as the XBR , when the silencers rotted I found the price of genuine honda parts very expensive so I had a pair of BSA gold star silencers made for it, about half the price of the Honda replacements! it sounded great, I never had any reliability problems with it, just hope the chinese made bike is as good.

@Preben4Life

Ай бұрын

They do today. Still with Honda XBR motor Block and europian QA. Have had the Shineray 400 XY (same as MASH 500) No problems so far after 1 year and 10000km.

I'm riding the Roadstar, same color scheme as the example in your video, but with the black engine block. Personally, i prefer that combination. The Mash Five Hundred, as it is called in Holland, rides so well and it looks stunning from every angle. Thanks for the positive review!

thanks a lot for this comparison. i wish it was published a week before tho, i just got my scrambler after deciding back and forth between those two, lol. this will definitely help people. i'm very happy with my scrambler it was the right decision to get one. although i had to drive over 400km (one way) here in germany. dealers seem to hesistate keeping them in stock which is a bit sad for pretty bikes like those.

@dune6727

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry any update on how the bike is now, thanks

Very nice video review. Thanks!

Great Review guys.

Great review....well done

Great review. Thank you

Roadstar for me.. lovely hushed exhaust note.

in South Africa known as the Crosby!

Now the scrambler looks more cool, I love the twin pipes on the roadster more though the scrambler sounds nicer, at least on the video... I guess I would have to see them both and try to ride them before making a decision. I am thrilled though with bringing back this conception of a classic replica bike not so powerfull but all that you actually need.

Been to look at them today at a local dealers, very impressed with them and the price is very competitive with a something like a royal Enfield,

I love your ending. Almost like, top gear. At what rpm does the vibration can be felt at the handlebar. Thanks for the video.

Damn I just love these Mash bikes

very retro nice looking machines remind me of the triumph bonnie

Bought the brown one. Seat one inch too for me. Front brake just a little to weak. Good suspension, nice soft sound (when you cut the gas, very nice downrevv) Engine lovely, looks like a seventies bike!

@purpleether5405

2 жыл бұрын

still got it?

In the philippines it is known as the motorstar cafe 400.

@keithralfs5190

3 жыл бұрын

In Australia the Nemesis 400 - the old XR400 - they are singles - Shineray and the motors are genuine Honda motors

Strangely enough I have now just bought the very scrambler that you have been demonstrating. Small world isn't it! :)

@PATLIGHT1000

4 жыл бұрын

And how are you getting with it.? I am picking mine up this Saturday.

I own this bike almost 2 years and I love it everytime I ride it.

@benl7070

4 жыл бұрын

And no electrical faults?

@oleksaka

4 жыл бұрын

​@@benl7070 There are no electrical equipment except for ignition and headlights =)

@benl7070

4 жыл бұрын

@@oleksaka must admit I don't actually remember commenting that ha ha ha either way okay.

I Love your show!

very good video, I didn't know wich model buy, now it's obvious for me. Thank you !

@motorsforthemasses

6 жыл бұрын

You are welcome....which one are you going for?

@cyrilrouja8938

6 жыл бұрын

scrambler !!!

Yep, they are singles, nowt wrong with that, the carb versions are cheaper, and CV carbs are well sorted and easier and cheaper to set up for aftermarket xhausts and airfilters. Drum rear brakes are OK, bit more hassle changing shoes than pads, but less likely to contaminate friction material when degreasing back end. The "Five Hundred" is a model name, MASH not alone in that weirdness, Triumph had the 595 Daytona (955cc) and BMW had the F650 which I think was an 800cc twin. There are numerous versions of the 400, theres on with a sidecar over here!. Thing about bikes like these is that you can usually fit a big bore kit , but only you know so its still insured as a 400. I'd choose the scrambler probably as the 2into 1 zorst might be less weight???, plus cheaper to fit 1x end can than two.

@motorsforthemasses

6 жыл бұрын

Great response, thank you. Very correct on the names vs cc...and I have never understood it.

@TOTk1980

6 жыл бұрын

I think carbs are going away due to the Euro 4 emissions thing but I could be wrong.

@motorsforthemasses

6 жыл бұрын

Sadly true

@jaquesdaniels2964

6 жыл бұрын

Carbs are probably on the way out in part due to tighter emission regs, but also due in part to modern fuel which can lead to carb icing in certain conditions, -I think EFI bikes can be made to run on leaner fuel mixtures than carb bikes, at the moment, carb bikes are managing ok, but in a couple of years who knows???, even lawnmowers will be EFI lol.

@tooresttrikie6744

6 жыл бұрын

BMW are famous for branding engine sizes as being something their not! case in hand they used to do a car (possibly still do this not sure?) and labelled it as the 316 and it had an 1800 petrol or 1900 diesel in it or very confusingly did actually have a 1600 petrol lol yet all 3 could have the same badging! so they've done it for years!

The Scrambler looks good... 👍🏻

Great review! Found out from the Importer here in Malaysia that the Scrambler has longer front forks and taller suspension. Wasn't able to find any info about this. The spec sheets don't mention this. But true enough, when I sat on one after the other I was able to flatfoot the Classic. On the Scrambler there was a tiny gap between the soles of my shoes and the ground.

@Bundleism83

5 жыл бұрын

Are you Malaysian

@stevobadmoonster

5 жыл бұрын

@@Bundleism83 Yes sir. I am indeed.

I have the scrambler. Good moto, handy and fun.

@borisjelzin9162

3 жыл бұрын

Hi,...and after 2 years ?

gosto muito de motos neste estilo , parabens pelos comentarios .

I,ve AJs Scrambler for an everyday bike. But i agree with Malcom the roadster for me better colour just needs the scramblers exhaust note. Not a fa of the scrambler, s colour scheme, but still two nice bike's.

Great video guys as always, and I'm loving the mash 500 oops sorry 400.

@TOTk1980

6 жыл бұрын

Lol, easy mistake to make huh?

Got to be the road Star but with the scrambler colours. Thinking of this as my first bike.

Hiya guys. Love your videos. I have just recently bought the 400 scrambler and I absolutely love it. What would you recommend to treat the seat with. ? I cannot find any info at all about it. As you know Mash are pretty crap with any info, and most/all is on line but saying that no info as to protect the seat covering. Any info from you would be helpful, keep up the good work guys.

Can you do a review on the Brixton BX125?

Hands-down I love the road bike it looks like an expensive classic triumph

That scrambler sounds awesome

The 400 Dirtstar Scrambler looks great, especially the chrome version. One thing that I don't like about it is that low slung exhaust, it's just too easily damaged down there. I'd prefer the machine to have a high level exhaust with a bash plate installed to protect the engines oil sump from getting damaged by rocks etc.

Hi , both bikes are great, myself twin exhausts look better. My Suzuki gz250 has 2into1 exhaust. But it's a single pot. Good review lads. 👍🍻

If I only have the roaststar available here, can I swap the exhaust with the dirtstar without having to retune the engine?

Can you talk about Mash Force 400, please? Really good information. Thank you

@motorsforthemasses

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, we did. See here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mniDzrF7j7LWeJc.html

I prefer the scrambler one. It looks nice though the roadster also looks nice, but what I like about the scrambler is its much taller seat height and its nature as a scrambler.

Love your Test! Great Job! Just missing Top Speed on these Bikes. My opinion; my choise also would be the Scrambler. Only thing i do not like on this Scambler is the Exhaust System. The Tubes, running from Cylinder Head to the Muffler, should be realy bend like those on the old Honda 350 Scrambler or the newer Triumph Scrambler. Would make more sence, would complete the Design of this nice Bike.

@PATLIGHT1000

4 жыл бұрын

Agree totally. I'm picking mine up on Saturday and after first run in I will be looking into changing this.

How do they fair after a uk winter?

I'm still waiting on my tt40. Maybe tomorrow. Or else it will be tuesday.. I want to ride.

2:22 they are singles, not twins. Sleeved-down Chinese copies of the Honda GB500. In Thailand these are called Stallions, so not really French at all. Informative review. The Scrambler would be my choice, but in orange.

I don't have one, but I want them both.

Can i choose both of them? they are both good looking Bikes.

How's it compare to the RE Himalayan?

The Honda CB400SS / CL400 uses a similar 398cc single cylinder engine (carbed) and develops about the same bhp to the Mash. The RoadStar 400 has a tubular swingarm but the DirtStar has a box section one, like the Honda originals.

@terrymoore4208

4 жыл бұрын

There probably a Chinese copy of a Japanese 400 like a sr 400 which is still being made

Do a tt40 review please!

I may be getting the Roadstar next year because handling my 472 pound bike is getting to be a struggle at 65. It's the most interesting bike in it's class I think. And the cheapest. Something I noticed when you sat on these bikes; they didn't look tiny like all the 300-400CC bikes with 17" wheels. I look like an ape on most small bikes.

@ohwell2790

Жыл бұрын

NIck, my name is Darrell and am 78, 3 heart attacks, on the first 2 the doctor put me on pills, the 3rd one under the knife for a triple by pass. Lost 50% of the heart mussel 40% on the out put side 10% on input side. Guess what, still ride of course the doctor does not want me to. But, live on and do what you want, do not give up and I feel great, Ridding is a blessing and every day is too. Think I will have another beer. Life is good and don't take any pills and have a box full. Live to ride and ride to live. I know that is a old saying. but in my case it is true as is everything I have written. Currently ride a 2012 Kymco Like 200i and really interested in this bike. May order one from Cleveland Motors in the USA. carry on.

Motor for the Masses... I love Cagiva SST 350.....!!! "Music for the Masses" ..Depeche Mode....!!

They should have had rear disc and a gear indicator inside the instrument cluster and dual channel ABS too and it would be perfect.

Got to be the roadstar so retro.

Should come up with a "Rambler" model. Somehow, Mash Rambler sounds good. ; )

How does the comfortability of the scrambler compare to the roadster? 😉

@TOTk1980

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think there was any difference they are very similar in riding position and the seats are equally comfortable.

My personal view is for the road bike she looks the bees knees 😍 I agree, why put a 500 badge when she's a 400 it's stupid. Good price for this classic looking motorcycle.

Just on looks alone I prefer the Road Star. Have reservations about the build quality having had previous experience with Chinese made machines, alright only scooters but there's a certain slap dash, couldn't care less feel to them.

Like Honda XL250 S: '78 - '81 OHC 4 Valves - 2 Exhaust pipes Honda XL250 K1: '74 Honda XL250 Motosport: '72 - '73 OHC 4 Valves - 1 Exhaust pipe First OHC-4Valve-production-engine-bike?

I love my 2020 model you’re right comfortable fun bike to ride n great sound. If you’re looking for something unique and a blast check out the Kymco Spade. The only Adult mini bike with a 150cc EFI great riding position and perfect for small town shooting around. Let’s all twist some throttle! Allan Cali USA

My roadstar was great until it needed a new spark plug. Can't find a spanner to fit it anywhere. Been of the road for over a week now.

@jonb6660

4 жыл бұрын

I know too late for you but I bought a set of box spanners from amazon for under £5. Also useful for adjusting timing on Honda cg125 etc

how does it work rear drum with ABS ?

@motorsforthemasses

2 жыл бұрын

ABS can be single channel or dual channel...

And what city do you live in

Hey! Can I have that K model flying brick?

Good review guys, I own a triumph street scrambler 900. Great bike but i'm tempted to sell up and buy a touring bike and possibly one of these for sunday spins. If I play my cards right could nearly buy both for the price of the triumph. Nearly. One question, the green jacket you have, what brand is it? I feel a little onlilne shopping may be on the cards! cheers fellas!

@motorsforthemasses

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, thank you! The Mash is a great bike. My dad even bought the roadster and he loves it. The jacket I have on is grey and made by Viper.

@muzzmoto3881

4 жыл бұрын

Great, cheers. Better get my eyes checked aswell. 👍

Id buy a royal enfield bullet or Himalayan nothing wrong with these though.

@AbdulAllahAbuDaoud

4 жыл бұрын

jcreswick, the funny thing is that these have about 5 more horses than the Himalayan. That’s my biggest gripe about the Enfield.

Lucky buggers , spoiled for choice in the UK ... Here in Indonesia we have limited bike choices and 250 cc is about it. Those are lovely looking bikes . Have you reviewed any of the larger electric motorcycles offered from China? Cheers lads brightened up my afternoon.

@motorsforthemasses

6 жыл бұрын

Hi, yes we did a head to head with an electric scooter and 50cc scooter. The Zero is available but expensive and there is the Super SOCO designed for 16 year olds and the TT racer EGO. Not sure if that is available to buy here though?

@stevobadmoonster

6 жыл бұрын

This bike is available in Indonesia as the Shineray XY400.

@axeman6560

6 жыл бұрын

stevobadmoonster I'll look for, I'm in Bali is this available in Jakarta? Thanks for the info.

@stevobadmoonster

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, check this out: pertamax7.com/2016/06/10/kenalan-dengan-shineray-xy400-motor-retro-scrambler-asal-tiongkok-keren/

I"m riding XT500 since my age of 17. Yamaha- community says: Bring back XT500 2.1 Yamaha:😴 Y get me a MASH X-Ride 650

Very small bike for a 400cc machine. You called it a twin, but is it ? Are you sure?

Those are single cylinder- not dual cylinder. 4 valves- one exhaust per each set of 2.

They are NOT 2 cylinder, they are a single cylinder dual exhast port. The reason they only have 28 hp is they are all designed for the German market, a 400 at 28hp has really low insurance in Germany. When I lived in the Netherlands, I worked as a driving/riding instructor there for a while (bike car, truck, bus), and we had 4 x Honda 400 twin cylinder at 28 hp each. It's the same with rear tyres you will notice many bikes for the European market have a 4.50 rear tyre, this being for the German market again (TUV and Insurance).

I preffer the dirtstar scrambler with the roadstar seat.

Scrambler looks nicer. But would rather do what you are doing. Buy a donor bike, strip it, and turn into a scrambler

@motorsforthemasses

6 жыл бұрын

Me too lol...starts off cheap...but gets more expensive lol

I would go for the scrambler myself! I like that blacked out engine and 2 into 1 exhaust also I notice its black! wonder what it'd be like on a motorway? but why is it when you go on their website are there what look like fake bike shops? I was even told on one that it wasn't secure to close it as it was trying to scam my details! come on Mash you might have been hacked? anyone else tried the website and found this?

@motorsforthemasses

6 жыл бұрын

Oh er, I haven't noticed that. Have you emailed them to mention that?

@tooresttrikie6744

6 жыл бұрын

no not yet they only seem to have an email that you can order a bike on! as it says sales@mashmotorcycles.co.uk why not try their site yourself the garage I was warned away from was one of the ones possibly in South Yorkshire there are 3 almost in a straight line look for ride motorcycles I don't know if I have the right one but it was one nearby if not!

@motorsforthemasses

6 жыл бұрын

I was on their website before and didn't get any issues myself. I have known that there are some poor franchises out there but they are usually monitored by companies like MotoGB who are their suppliers, although I believe Mash rep themselves. Unusual one that is. AR Motorcycles have never reported issues with them though.

@tooresttrikie6744

6 жыл бұрын

fair enough but did look at Yorkshire I think I said South but after looking again its North East I'm from Scotland myself and my nearest is on the Border probably 150 miles away or near enough that! but was really looking for ones that had deals or bit better pricing! as the border one had the scrambler a few hundred more than the standard one! so came across this dodgy "garage" website! don't really want to risk looking for it again!

@RichRides

6 жыл бұрын

The guys at Ride Motorbikes are really top blokes and have a great reputation so I doubt it's them you'd be warned away from. I even used a demo bike from them for the video review I've just uploaded to KZread!

I've just realised if u put on a 3 stone and grow a beard you'd be the spitting image of my brother in law.

What is the top Speed of the scrambler?

@motorsforthemasses

3 жыл бұрын

About 85

@jlrutube1312

3 жыл бұрын

@@motorsforthemasses Does the road bike have a different top speed?

The scrambler

Do they make a hop up kit for these bikes

@motorsforthemasses

5 жыл бұрын

That I am unsure of to be honest.

@charleshueckstaedt5064

4 жыл бұрын

CHARLIE you can get a 34mm carb.. also there is a 440cc big bore kit ..usa .

@charliegutierrez8728

4 жыл бұрын

@@charleshueckstaedt5064 Were my can i get is it my tocayo.

@charleshueckstaedt5064

4 жыл бұрын

@@charliegutierrez8728 i looked online ..

If you was buying a Chinese 400 motorcycle which ones should be more reliably

@motorsforthemasses

5 жыл бұрын

These Mash are great, my dad has one and my brother has the Brown 7 125

Bosch ABS? Twin cylinder?? No. I own the Roadstar. Thought I'd take a walk on the dark side and try a Chinese. The fuelling isn't perfect. Likes to cut out when coming to junctions but starts easily again. Side stand digs into the tarmac before the left footpeg. Quite dangerous. Right footpeg catches well before the tyres run out. A bit more thought here would sort a reasonably good handling bike. Rear shocks cope well 1 up but bump out with two onboard. Seat strap digs in the arse on long journeys. Saving grace is the little engine is as hard as you like and uses no oil. I've had mine riding 2 up into hurricane headwinds uphill flat out on multiple occasions when it wouldn't pull top gear and it doesn't bat an eyelid. Oddly it's the rubber parts on the bike that have gone off. Headlamp mounts, fuel cap seal, side panel mounts, oil tank mounts.. The metal finishes have coped through winter as good as any Jap I've had. Despite its traits it's a great little bike. I frequently do a few hundred miles on the motorway and back roads in a day and would go anywhere with it. If I sit with traffic rather than try and pass it I regularly achieve 82mpg. God knows why they charge for road tax on such clean little things as these yet cars get it free.

@motorsforthemasses

6 жыл бұрын

Hi, great to hear from an owner. Yes, the twin cylinder mentioning was a slight error, thrown off at the time by the twin exhaust. However, even Mash state it uses a Bosch ABS system. www.mashmotorcycles.co.uk/model/400cc-mash-models/roadstar-copper It seems overall you are pleased with it. Do you think it is worth the money?

@gtd65

5 жыл бұрын

I had a look at a low mileage used Crosby 400TT in South Africa last year but was shocked at how badly aged and worn out the rubber parts were. It had done about 6000 miles but I've seen 30 year old japanese bikes in much better condition. I've had a couple of Chinese tiddlers and they've been reliable enough machines.

It is a single cylinder bike, not a twin cylinder.

Oohh i do believe they are singles, I'm probably not the first to point that out but I'm just saying. Single, twin port.

Same color as mine it gets a lot of attention nobody knows what the heck it is

Twin cylinder ? sure about that ? 😊

Both looks great , but if i have to choose 1 , then its the ........ hhhhmmmmm.... !!!!😜😜😜😜😜

Since you presented a choice of just 2 bikes for us to consider which we prefer, and didn't present any other choice of bike, or the option of "neither", I will do exactly as you asked. Only, I will do it in 2041 (23 years from now), if any of these 2018 Mash bikes still exist at that time, and compare it with my 1995 (23 years old) Yamaha which is still in perfect order today and in constant use to this day. So, roll on 2041, eh.

@motorsforthemasses

5 жыл бұрын

It was meant to be simply the 2, 400's Mash have to offer....it wasn't meant to be a comparison with other bikes

Ignore chinese bikes at your cost.. I've had a. scooter and cf moto 650... there brillant for the money with good attention to maintaince and care ... they are good..cheers chuckle bruv....😉😆 from dave

Another great review (I've watched you guys for months) and funnily enough we both posted videos about the Dirtstar within a week of each other! Great that we agree that the Dirtstar is a lovely fun bike :) Here's my video review kzread.info/dash/bejne/k2l9xapwe9iqabw.html

Mash, please, please, pretty please make a 650 single, cruiser/bobber style bike, nice and long and low with a fat tyre, but your own styling...er..please, I might even sell one of my kidneys or one of these people around the house who keep calling me 'Dad' to buy one.

Seems pointless to have twin exhaust on single cylinder engines it’s just extra weight for no apparent reason

@CaptHollister

3 жыл бұрын

You get better exhaust scavenging when each exhaust valve has its own header.

Why o why are all bikes made in china. The old saying comes to mind "you cant polish a turd " plus the insurance on china imports are ridiculous. For me to insure a mash roadster is £298. I only pay £156 for my gsxs750 go figure

The bikes are made in China, but all Mash are doing is re-branding an existing machine. They did not do R&D, no design, nothing. They just took an off the shelf bike from China and re-branded it. It's available throughout Asia under a variety of different brands and I am sure many other countries as well. It's a weakness in the Chinese style. Whereas the Japanese built brands and live or die by their brand name & quality. The Chinese just churn out product that get's branded a 1000 different ways, some good product and some absolute shite. The trouble of course is all Chinese built bikes then get a reputation based upon the worst products.That said, I do like these bikes and Shineray (the manufacturer) are one of the better quality Chinese manufacturers.

Nice looking bikes but Confusing looks like a twin cylinder what Honda 500? ah now from the comments I see he he

Twin cylinder?? Really???? You mean twin exhausts

@motorsforthemasses

3 жыл бұрын

Addressed that a long time ago

Not the scram

they should produce them in Europe ans it would be great! And don't say it is too expensive to build a small motorbike without electronic and with small simple engine of 400 ccm for 4000 euro in Europe !! Come on people do you really believe it ??!

@motorsforthemasses

3 жыл бұрын

If the quality is good, why build them in Europe; the labour rates will never be on par as cost of living is far greater than Asia.

@grzesiek1x

3 жыл бұрын

@@motorsforthemasses the problem is that the quality isn't good ! Compare with Honda! It is not magic. if the labour work is cheap you need to reduce your expenses somehow and i know how chinese work on factories...

@grzesiek1x

3 жыл бұрын

@@motorsforthemasses you can't say to someone to work 10 times faster than to an employee in Europe and expect the good quality! It is not possible. The pace is so high that mistakes happen but who will be paying after for that ? Clients!!!

@grzesiek1x

3 жыл бұрын

and 4000 euros is not cheap for a motorbike with a small engine from 80' ! Seriously??

same chinese bike sold under many names around the world

nice review but really are shit bikes. ..

@russelnash

6 жыл бұрын

peter reid why would you say that?

@peterreid2888

6 жыл бұрын

Danny Moore what that Chinese bikes are dominating the world.. I have a Honda from 93 all original just chains,light bulbs,tyres and brakes renewed.... used and abused in the swiss mountains, sure it has scars... I would like to bet that with the same treatment those Chinese bikes wouldn't last half the lifetime.. With most things what you pay for is what you get... on my Honda with bumpy winding roads I never have to tighten a bolt.. I have the feeling that with the other bikes it would take constant attention to keep everything in order.. And otherwise when there is a real hill cyclists will be overtaking because they have no torque... I could keep on but you catch my drift....

@TOTk1980

6 жыл бұрын

I have the feeling your comments are based on speculation alone, maybe if you have the time go and check some out, you might be surprised ;)