Thanks for helping me out with this video man, and for everyone else if by some reason you're living under a rock check out his channel it's the first link in the description.

@williampearson6299

2 жыл бұрын

How do you have time for all of this, Dude?

@daviddyster4145

2 жыл бұрын

That's an amazing point, I left after endgame and I haven’t looked back since. I hope to see your Justice League movie pitch soon.

@christinaanderson6944

2 жыл бұрын

I cant believe troboy is in one of your videos

@daviddyster4145

2 жыл бұрын

@@christinaanderson6944 Surprise?

@hoodiek6802

2 жыл бұрын

When are you making the how to make a good Justice league film

Thank you for bringing up what they did to Thor. Seriously, dude went through the most since Infinity War and even ate and drank away his pain for FIVE YEARS and it's treated like a joke everytime. Everybody made cracks about his weight, disregarding the fact that his brother died right in front of him. Just disrespectful, man.

@no.reply_

2 жыл бұрын

They went “Ha ha this guy lost his family, his home and couldn’t save billions of lives and now he drinks, overeats and play video games to cope lol”

@NiwanzTFT

2 жыл бұрын

@@no.reply_ I didn't get "ha ha" for Avengers Endgame personally

@DelRae

Жыл бұрын

@@Cartooncroc Loki should’ve stayed dead kek

Marvel really feels like they're over correcting themselves with Thor. They saw how successful the new comedic change was and just fully went into it at his expense

@YoureRightIThink

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I think the first movie had better humor, it was smarter in my opinion and I know they couldn't go with the "fish out of water" jokes for more next movies but something similar at least

@amorra6024

2 жыл бұрын

Thor in his first solo film and Avengers 1 will remain my favorite iteration of Thor. While I also like his portrayal in Infinity War, I didn't like how his character (and also Hulk and Loki) was portrayed in Thor Ragnarok. I felt that they made Thor too much of a joke at the expense of his character and all of the development he went through in the past MCU films. Honestly, current Thor is really disappointing. As it feels like they stripped away a lot of his emotional depths that made Thor feel genuinely heroic and complex to me.

@p.h.i.lcongure9168

2 жыл бұрын

@@amorra6024 I’ve honestly only recently started to enjoy Thor. I really liked him in ragnarok, infinity war and endgame because the humour doesn’t take away from the emotional moments and we see how he uses it as a crutch. But now it seems like they’re swinging too far in the comedic direction

@jay4you853

2 жыл бұрын

@@amorra6024 Thor Ragnarok was a joke, the humor was bad, the VFX terrible, the acting very questionable at times, and the world they built just didn't help. Also, the way they portrayed Hulk or Thor himself is just made me lose all interest in the movie and now TL&T just definitely killed the character, giving him no depth or substance. He's just a joke, a bad one. Yes humor is very subjective but I don't want to pay to see super-zeros but superheros doing superhero-ey things with a hint of comedy, a lot of good VFX and a tone of intelligent writing that doesn't ignore the previous movies and create more plot holes. It's time to give Thor some purpose because he could be the leader of the MCU as Tony is gone, but just like Dr. Strange he has no identity, serves no purpose. He's just here to be here and crack jokes...while he's being relegated to supporting character. Marvel is killing its own characters. Literally. Just look at how they made the so-called God butcher uninteresting as he never butchers Gods, missed opportunities...or how they made Wanda dispose of the so-called most intelligent man on Earth, who is supposed to appear in future movies but I won't care about as I'll assume since his other version from another universe was so weak, he might be the same. Marvel dropped the ball with that new phase and don't get me started with the bad TV shows...

@EB_3693

2 жыл бұрын

I think DCEU's failure at adopting a serious superhero universe scared them... despite the fact that MCU was already doing good creating a serious universe where humor was initially played as a coping mechanism to all the batshit stuff their heroes were undergoing. Seeing DCEU fail must have made them think that leaning on the one thing that set them apart - humor - was the way to go. Problem is in the earlier movies the humor often had a layer of intelligence underneath. Nowadays its like the actors are just lining up for their chance to get an average/good quip in.

dude phase 4 doesn't even explore the blip fully, it's like it never happened. and there are far too much jokes on these movie. they definitely have to tone it down.

@tylerrice4178

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly as much I would want that explored as well no doubt there will be people who will be so annoyed and will get tired of the snap/the blip being mentioned or explored across these films and TV shows.

@wifparanoid304

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylerrice4178 no there won't be if it's good

@catnoirlover1719

Жыл бұрын

Didn't Wandavision,Eternals, Far From Home and Hawkeye already shows it? Even Falcon and Winter Soldier also shows the side effect of it Show more of it and people will start thinking MCU didn't have any more ideas than showing what they already knows and already pass

@ExeErdna

Жыл бұрын

The Blip is something they know they eff'ed up on Falcon and the Winter Soldier. In fact a lot of the MCU seem devoid of the aftermath of shit happening. Basically the Eternals itself proved that like oh you was here during that whole thing with Loki, Ultron and Thanos... Y'all just having Sunday dinner like you can't just help? Or like with the Inhumans they were so cheap at that point they allowed Inhumans to die then "killed" them off in the comics.

The same thing is sort of happening to Star Wars. They are rushing the projects so quickly and are preferring quantity over quality.

@thadmaster7

2 жыл бұрын

Star wars hasn't been releasing as mutch as marvel though

@ross3986

2 жыл бұрын

@@thadmaster7 I know but most of the shows Star Wars has now are pretty mediocre. They feel very rushed and don’t have enough time to be amazing. It’s just wasted potential

@cooldinom

2 жыл бұрын

also over reliant on fan service. Obi Wan had no reason to exist other than the fact that people have nostalgia for the prequels and it was a good excuse to get Ewan and Hayden back. Mandalorian Season 2 made the somewhat smaller scale story feel like a movie ad not in a total good way as it again, felt over reliant on fan service. Once you notice the pattern it stops becoming a "cool, they put them in!" thing.

@YoureRightIThink

2 жыл бұрын

I only watched the Mandalorian I wasn't interested in the other shows

@ross3986

2 жыл бұрын

@@cooldinom very true

“I don’t have inspiration. Only ideas. Ideas and deadlines” - Stan Lee

3:53 This particularly frustrated me with Multiverse of Madness. They could have easily explored America Chavez' fear and challenged her to embrace fear and stand up against it (allowing her to harness her powers properly) rather than saying at the end that she just had to realize how dope she was.

Thank you for finally verbalizing one of my biggest problems with recent Marvel movies: they hint at larger themes without ever going in-depth with them. This allows the writers to do half of the work, yet be praised like they’ve gone above and beyond “a simple superhero movie”

Quantity over quality has always been the goal. Once Disney built up enough goodwill with balancing filmmaking with profit, they took off the mask and are now in full profit mode. The movies aren't going to get better. They'll continue to pump out more product until its not as profitable and that will be that. The MCU will go the way of the Western or Apatow comedies, lol.

@CarloNassar

Жыл бұрын

I say it should all be cancelled before it goes in that path at all.

Only legends like Mitch and troy can properley explain Marvel's problem and what needs to be fixed AND get me excited for what's coming next

@kadegetslaid634

2 жыл бұрын

I love both channels tbh, they're big fans but not blinded by the fandom, and they also don't just hate on everything

@bro-be3bd

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Alot of other channels who tackle the Phase 4 problems are incredibly biased towards the MCU or are all doom and gloom. This video points out the problems but still makes me excited for what the MCU has in store.

@kadegetslaid634

2 жыл бұрын

@@bro-be3bd agreed, and or they blame it on the "sjw agenda" and call it the m-she-u which has been beyond used and is so annoying

@gonkdroid8279

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, my thoughts exactly

@SpinoSam

Жыл бұрын

@@bro-be3bd Exactly. If I go to see MCU problems I come to these guys, if I want a good and unbiased MCU review I go to watch Channel Awesome or Schrafrillas Productions

This phase feels directionless cause we are being introduced to new characters so quickly instead of having at least two or three "main characters" and building there. We gets street, young, and new heroes now. I will agree some of the dialogue needs to be better but the setups are there. I think they need to dial back the content and definitely expand on the themes they explore. The MCU isn't above criticism and I think the next phase needs to get back to grounded material to an extent.

@fictionverse7292

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, with Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow gone there are new heroes to fill in their big shoes. I compare phase 4 to phase 2

@jesseheisenberg8854

2 жыл бұрын

and the problem with this "new" characters are just copy paste of the OG but diverse you know what i mean? yeah i get what they were doing but. if they gonna introduce new ones at least make them different from the old ones not race but origin/ability/powers/personality.

@mr.iiconic

2 жыл бұрын

@@jesseheisenberg8854 this only really applies to Ironheart. Sam Wilson is different enough from Steve, Kate Bishop is a world apart from Clint, and She-Hulk is one of the greatest classic comic characters ever.

@roger632

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is, is that these new young characters just aren't very interesting to the majority of viewers I'd say... so they'll definitely be losing out on some viewers if they keep making these shows like Agatha Harkness, Iron-Heart, and all that kinds of stuff. Because no one cares, people aren't gonna waste their time on six to eight episode long shows about side characters from the last show lol.

@dylanfranz5203

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like instead of doing the shows they should just do movies some characters need it like moonknight or just some of the others and especially Hawkeye he was done super dirty

The main problem with the current writing in the MCU is that they constantly chose terrible random ass inexperienced writers to write these movies and shows.

@mrpuss2519

2 жыл бұрын

random? or activists instead of competent writers?

@DOOM_guyEditz433

2 жыл бұрын

I know

@travis7patriot653

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrpuss2519 This^

@pupulauls

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrpuss2519 wdym

@mrpuss2519

2 жыл бұрын

@@pupulauls Check Ms Marvel's writers profile.

Hey wait a second that’s me Thanks for having me in on this one dude!

If marvel were too put a hold on there movies I'd get behind that, they need more time to maintain consistency and quality in the writing.

Tbh: This why I always prefer the Marvel Netflix shows because they feel real and not safe. Each Character even Iron Fist felt like people trying to balance their personal demons and trying to safe the world. I felt more connection with Matthew Murdock, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Danny Rand and Frank Castle than I do with Vision, Wanda, Falcon, Winter Solider, Black Window, Hankeye, and more who was so underdeveloped that they have to get shows.

@willistan3562

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, Kingpin showing up at the Hawkeye finale pretty much sums it up for me. No shot that the MCU will be able to capture the character deep dives of the Netflix shows. If they reboot Daredevil, I seriously doubt the writers will be able to go 5 minutes without firing one-liners.

@akeelyaqub2538

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly imo daredevil is still the best content marvel has ever produced.

@atiksafari8582

2 жыл бұрын

I agree...marvel neflix the best shows

@TheN1ghtwalker

Жыл бұрын

@@akeelyaqub2538 It's because Marvel didn't produce it, Netflix did.

@akeelyaqub2538

Жыл бұрын

@@TheN1ghtwalker true, idk why i gave marvel credit for it

The only time that the redemption of the villains really worked for me was in No Way Home, where it was the central focus of the narrative as Peter risks everything to help these people who are just victims of horrible events. Ock was definitely worth redemption, as was Electro, who was defined by a life of misery and nonexistence, Lizard, a man forced by Oscorp to test on himself out of desperation to save their CEO, Sandman, who just wanted to be with his daughter again, and Goblin, who just wanted to be free of his psychotic alter ego who was destroying his and many other’s lives. Other than that, every other redemption has felt forced alongside the other tropes of the Marvel formula in the other recent movies.

Two of my favorite KZreadrs working together. Nice.

This is why no way home was the highlight of phase 4 for me. We see peter really put through shit by goblin and the whole movie feels incredibly emotional and dramatic whilst being fun and enjoyable. The returning spidermen are the cherry on top

@hopelesslyoptimistic8231

2 жыл бұрын

Still No Way Home is pretty bad. I’m not saying people can’t enjoy anything. I love No Way Home and it’s one of my favorite movies of all time, but it’s not a good movie. The has so many plot-holes and character changes. The whole plot is based of a mistake Doctor Strange made and effectively ruined Peter’s life-That isn’t good at all when the reason the story is happening isn’t even the main characters fault or even a villain, it’s someone who is supposed to be Peter’s friend.

@p.h.i.lcongure9168

2 жыл бұрын

@@hopelesslyoptimistic8231 plot holes don’t automatically make a movie bad. Every movie has plot holes. Plus the spell was Peters fault because he was interrupting the spell when strange consistently told him not to. The whole point was that Peter is struggling to choose between his hero life and personal life but in the end the only thing he has left is Spider-Man

@p.h.i.lcongure9168

2 жыл бұрын

@@QuackUp I don’t think so tbh. It has a pretty solid and clear second act, the villain redemption works better here because other than goblin they aren’t necessarily evil. They’ve suffered from freak accidents that have made them that way. Peter is also a really strong protagonist and is really taken through the ringer in this movie. The only issues I can see with it are some of the plot holes with magic

@hopelesslyoptimistic8231

2 жыл бұрын

@@p.h.i.lcongure9168 A spell that Doctor Strange didn’t tell Peter that it would make everyone forget him. It doesn’t make any sense why Strange would do that. Strange would at least assume that there is someone Peter wants to have in his life. Strange could of guessed he had family and loved ones. You can’t say it was because Strange was arrogant because there is a difference between being arrogant and just bad at your own job. Peter could of easily gotten a spell where everyone could remember him but the rest of world and the entire movie wouldn’t have happened. I agree that every story has plot holes, however, when your story is built upon these plot holes it ruins the entire story because nothing is believable anymore. One is excusable, but this isn’t the only time where the entire story could of played out in a better way. Peter could of helped the villain while they were caged up, Aunt May shouldn’t have been with the villains, If Doc Ock didn’t run away during the apartment battle he could of helped save Aunt May, and why did Strange cast a spell that made everyone forget Peter? The only way for that to work is for everyone in the entire multiverse to forget Peter Parker which would ruin an infinite amount of Peter Parker’s lives. Would Peter Parker forget that he is Peter Parker because Tobey and Andrew disappeared meaning they had to forget about themselves? These are major problems that don’t just ruin No Way Home but Tobey and Andrew’s universes.

@thedeathskuller8665

2 жыл бұрын

@@hopelesslyoptimistic8231 Doctor Strange literally tells people that they can make everyone forget he's Spider-Man, Peter just didn't listen and realize that the spell would include his loved ones. Peter needed Doc Ock and Norman Osborns help to create some of the cures, meaning they definitely couldn't have stayed in the jail, and Peter needed physical contact with ALL the villains to attach the cures, even if he did keep them in cages until he finished they would have just attacked him if he did that since they would have no reason to trust him, since they've been imprisoned. Aunt May gave Peter the motivation to help the villains it's perfectly in character for her to be there and want to help them as well, attempting to take care of them as Peter was working on the cures. Considering how easily Green Goblin took care of Doc Ock at the end of the movie he would have made little difference if he was there to help Peter. That's not how the spell works the villains in the multiverse are only drawn to this one due to being drawn to it having a Peter Parker who is Spider-Man, if everyone in the universe believes that there is no Peter Parker in this universe then the spell wouldn't be drawing in these other characters.

I knew you were talking about troy right after looking at the thumbnail you and troy are my favorite KZreadrs glad to see you guys collab

The goal of Phase 4 should’ve been the discovery of the Mutant side of the MCU. Period.

@scottbulinski5450

Жыл бұрын

What even is phase 4 goal

@pictureperfect3211

Жыл бұрын

@@scottbulinski5450 exactly. Making it about the mutants would’ve made more sense seeing as how their more mutants than random superpowered heroes and villains. At least focusing on the fallout from the Snap

I agree with you on this so hard. There's something seriously lacking in the writing. Half-assing it is a great way of putting it. There was an interview where the writers of Loki admitted they were just making things up as they were filming. And also yes, all of the characters' personalities seem to be all melding together like melted plastic where they once stood out as individuals - they've all got that same snark, the same sarcasm, the same female badass stoicism to the point where it all feels the same.

I just really hope that marvel will take their time and slow down with the mcu project and not been rush and some new better writers

In my opinion, Marvel’s plots haven’t been the most mind blowing but they didn’t need to be, the characters were always strong. That’s the part that is missing now, there’s no character and they’re trying to focus on heavy themes by doing what? Delivering them half baked and undercutting them with either action, visuals and a generic figured out formula? There’s no sense of care in the characters, it just seems like, “Here’s a generic archetype, that’s all they’ll be until the end of the movie.” That’s just my two cents.

For the new Thor movie I thought we were going to see Thor figure out what it really means to be a god. Like you said it was just for glory, would be cool to see him realize his responsibility not only as a hero but a literal god and his influence on people that look up to him. Also hoped that Gorr killed more gods.

The best writing builds around the emotional core of a character. It doesn't help when marvel follows up a dramatic scene with a Joss Weadon punchline. Building around and maintaining a strong emotional core adds to the spectacle surrounding the character, be it action or VFX etc. Look at any emotional scene from say MHA, every beat that carries weight in an action scene is built upon the characters emotional state. In short, please just write out what "basic"/ baseline emotion you want your character to confront and build on that. Thor's should have been grief and loss in a way where he can demonstrate his own maturity over the course of the past few films away from Jane. Jane's could've been denial and that's why she acts more like Thor's carefree self, so then he has to be the "responsible" one.

@Augusto_Pinochet

2 жыл бұрын

MHA ?

@IndigiAutisi

2 жыл бұрын

@@Augusto_PinochetMy Hero Academia, it's a manga with an anime adaptation about superheros

Writing problem. Cgi problem. Oversaturation problem. Uninspired filmmaking problem.

@SmartypantsTutoring

2 жыл бұрын

Overall enjoyed the first 3 phases, but I think they have gotten a little too comfortable.

Great video man! Glad you're addressing a lot of this because for as much as I've dug some of Phase 4's content (ew I hate that I used that word but I mean it fits), I think you're dead on with a lot of your analysis.

I think Shang Chi and Spider-Man No Way Home are the best films out of phase 4 the others are varying degrees of good and bad but I have to say that those films were just amazing like the fight scenes in Shang Chi reminded me off classic Hong Kong action films which I know is because of Jackie Chan's stunt guy being involved

@69nadyacole69

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, the actor don't want to be called kung fun master. Because he said that's racist

@mahiyatsafiyullah7103

2 жыл бұрын

@@69nadyacole69 context I am so confused about what you are talking about

@CT--xj5jf

2 жыл бұрын

@@69nadyacole69 that’s besides the movie

@lobodesade6780

2 жыл бұрын

I personally hate Shang She, I loved the Spider-Man movie tho.

@CT--xj5jf

2 жыл бұрын

@@lobodesade6780 Shang chi*

Dr Strange has the most convoluted themes. Christine Palmer gives two thematic statements to Dr Strange in the movie, "are you happy?" (theme of hapliness explored theough alternate realities where he couldve been happy) despite in the movies end telling him "face your fears dr strange" (theme of fear previously being demonstrated through America Chavez being unable to use her powers and Strange telling her its about fear-- nothing to do with Palmer.)

I loved Infinty War. But Endgame was a real misstep.

@mohammedazam6562

2 жыл бұрын

Glad I'm not the only one

@anubusx

2 жыл бұрын

@@mohammedazam6562 The rat thing. Time travel. Killing Thanos at the start. Fat Thor. That 5 year time jump.

@mohammedazam6562

2 жыл бұрын

@@anubusx also don't forget what they did to Hulk

@anubusx

2 жыл бұрын

@@mohammedazam6562 That to.

They keep hiring the same garbage writers. Same guy who worked on Loki, also worked on Dr. Strange 2.

This idea of 'mentioning a deep theme and never following up' has been around since phase 2. Fans hate criticism of Winter Soldier but even that movie had the same problem; it begins with questions about freedom vs. security and the surveillance state, yet nowhere in the movie does it explore that afterwards. It just turns out the government was filled with HYDRA and that's that. Infinity War mentions the philosophical notion of killing millions to save billions, but never discusses it. Somehow, every single Avenger just agree it's bad and proceed to solve this issue by punching it. I'd think at least SOME of the characters might agree with Thans, with tension coming from that. Civil War says it's about freedom vs. registration, yet it's never an issue. Cap and the others don't register to help Bucky on a side quest, not because of fundamental differences in belief. This has always been a problem; it's just become more obvious lately.

@ANTSEMUT1

Жыл бұрын

This all of this.

@voltronlegendaryguardiansl7261

Жыл бұрын

This. ^ - • Phase 1. - And, unfortunately, franchises and series such as Marvel's Cinematical Film Universe have always been an By-The-Numbers Franchise and an By-The-Books Series overall, and so, I partially find any and all of these subjectively personal criticisms and opinions hilariously laughable and pathetically tragic, since not only have all of these problems always been a part of this franchise, but now everyone's questioning if said Film Universe is generally all-around inconsistent and that none of these films have any type of cohesively unified vision altogether either.

They need to stop making a joke every 5 minutes. How can we take anything seriously if they themselves don't. The dialogues don't even feel natural anymore. I miss the tone of the early Marvel movies, like you can see a clear contrast between Thor 1 and Thor Love and Thunder.

Thanks for the analysis and for recommending the one on MCU’s CGI problem

HOLLYWOOD is having a writing problem. Everyone and anyone can be a writer nowadays and I’ve been saying it for a while, but everyone is just accepting and PAYING for mediocre written content.

@waterking74

Жыл бұрын

The problem is Hollywood is giving a bunch of rando writers big projects/franchises

"Hype culture" didn't ruin the MCU. Bad writing did

@edgaraf9411

Жыл бұрын

It definitely added to the fire though

@nope5657

Жыл бұрын

Hype culture kinda did too, though

Tight schedule often leads to failure, revision time is very important.

That was an extremely accurate description of what's happening with Marvel lately. We need more such voices to reach the producers' ears.

In my opinion, I think phase 4 isn't "directionless" like others say just not enough focus because of the pushbacks and of course covid. I think they should just slow down and just focus on building up new characters with better writing and chill on some of the humor. The big projects from phase 4 have been Loki, wandavision( despite the twist and final episode) moon knight, Shang chi and spider man ffh they had some good hits it's just they need to slow down with pumping things out so quick.

If Marvel would stop caring about how much money they can make a year and know that really no matter what people will buy tickets and go see a Marvel film when it comes out and the more they're rushed out I could stop feeling like every Marvel movie that has been coming out is just a slightly altered version of the last one with no heart no vision no real difference they should be more like DC and take quality over quantity

@noctisluciscaelum211

2 жыл бұрын

I give DC this there movies have gotten better after Josstice league.

Phase 4 has an editing problem. The films are all edited down to two hours despite the large scope of their stories and increased cast of characters

@rickydinto

2 жыл бұрын

250 millions dollars budget adapting very complex storylines in less than 2 hours movie, oh c'mon dude. No one could justified that amount of money in a single solo movie where last movies can't even break a billion dollars box office [Guardian of the Galaxy wasn't involved in this movie much]. They should've spend this budget for a 200 millions dollars Thor movie + 50 millions dollars left on full season of 4 very high quality anime series {Thor, Gorr, Jane Foster, Valkyrie}...😐

Man it’s funny I made a comment on that CGI video yesterday that “marvel has a writing problem” and then I get this recommended the next day haha we’ll there you go. Fantastic video man I completely agree I think both Marvel and Star Wars really need to spend more time with their scripts

I loved seeing a Collaboration with Troy! Another great video.

That's true, it all begins with the script. But who is capable of writing quality scripts for these movies and their characters?

Due to the things that the VFX Artists have been through recently. I'm finding it hard to look forward to future MCU content. Because since they missed 2020 they've been rushing their Films to get back the lost time. But due to the VFX Troubles it's making me question if Kevin Feige is really a nice person!

@Augusto_Pinochet

2 жыл бұрын

A nice person? Lol. You think that even a tenth of the people involved with Hollywood/moviemaking, are “nice” people? Your comment oozes with naïveté. These people look down their noses on everyone who aren’t famous, or wealthy. Lol “nice person”. You’re in for a lifetime of being let down if you expect everyone to be even halfway decent.

The thing I hate most about the MCU is that they never deliver on their build-up I mean Doctor Strange 2 was build up so much but it was so disappointing like it was an okay docter strange movie but I expected so much more. An other thing I happened to find increasingly annoying is their butchering of certain characters like Taskmaster and vision honestly hope but the MCU adapts the vision comic from 15 its my personal favorite marvel comic book

Marvel comics were famous for constantly upping the stakes, almost like Dragon Ball Z, introducing bigger and stronger villains, until eventually the heroes were facing off against Lovecraftian entities like Galactus the planet eater; the Eternals did experiment with the cosmic side of the comics, but bungled the execution. Phase 4 seems to have overloaded the audience with content, the beginning of Marvel’s foray into television; catching up with it all is starting to feel like homework. Post-credits scenes aren’t teasing the arrival of Kang, but introducing new actors into the franchise, often playing fringe characters that are hard to get excited about. Starfox and Hercules just aren’t as intriguing as the old favorites; X-Men and Fantastic 4 are the next big names to enter the MCU, and the mere thought of them seems to be fueling much of the Marvel hype. Hopefully, Kang starts to make more of an impact in the next few entries, because phase 4 needs a strong villain to focus on; without that threat, the momentum is starting to slow down.

Marvel Studios just needs to have a long break to actually flesh out ideas and reduce “Superhero Fatigue” to moviegoers. That way the pay off will be well deserved

@adriandenton6637

2 жыл бұрын

Not going to happen is it.

@MW-dd8vk

Жыл бұрын

@@adriandenton6637 Unlikely at this point

I think the main focus on the film should be on the main protagonist they should not be secondary characters in their own films it kind of makes the film have no point or at least change the title to reflect the fact of the film being someone elses film

That’s why people like Joker. He doesn’t switch sides and when he does, you still know which side he’s on. He’s a bad guy who does bad things because he can. He enters a room and you’re already scared everyone is going to die. That’s villainy. He doesn’t seek redemption or death but he’s not scared of any. If superheroes can do good things, why can’t supervillains do bad things? Like enough with the whole “life is grey” shit, we get it

@noctisluciscaelum211

2 жыл бұрын

Same with Homelander you know hes a bad guy. When people here his name they run. Just like Darth Vader. Now Marvel trying to make every villain sympathetic.

Finally! somone addressing the writing problem of Marvel phase 4 writing! MOM writing is crushing my soul with wanda character.

So I watched that video and then your video and I understand the points you are making. I've enjoyed the films we've had so far, but understand it needs to change and do better. It's been this phase has been, which does have its criticism, but I have just enjoyed them as any other person. We do need to hold Marvel in its criticism on some things that aren't working. This does make me think about those issues and I enjoyed both videos

With the current mess of Phase 4 with all of the bad writing and shoddy VFX/CGI, I'm actually really worried about the Xmen and Fantastic Four being introduced into the MCU. I want to see these characters be done right, especially after some of the previous disappointing film iterations. But going by the mixed reception people are giving to Thor Love and Thunder and to the other MCU films (outside of Shang Chi and Spider-Man NWH) that I've heard about, I hope that Marvel/Disney really slow down on how many projects they are making and really plan out the future Phases. So they can focus on producing better scripts and visual effects for their MCU films and TV shows, as I know they are capable of making a good films. Like I would love to see the new Xmen '97 animated show be of similar or even better quality to Netflix's Arcane in terms of writing and animation quality.

@adriandenton6637

2 жыл бұрын

Without the kung-fu choreography Shang-Chi would be very forgettable.

That's an amazing point, I left after endgame and I haven’t looked back since. I hope to see your Justice League movie pitch soon.

Just as Troy said, “do a transition” a KZread premium ad played😂😂

I think they are doing secret wars as the big event. Loved the video! :)

YOOOOOOOOOOO MY FAVORITE COMIC KZreadRS DOING A COLLAB THIS IS AWESOME

As a kid growing up watching Marvel movies, I lost interest in them around 10 or 12 years old. Back then I knew that these movies were just getting milked and the stories, characters, and plots get less compelling with each installment. I never understood the fans of that franchise and am still deeply confused by the fans now.

i'm so happy for James Gunn and matt reeves over at dc both doing complete opposites in storytelling helming two universes and series while having amazing films, actors, moments, scenes, and comedy. you can go to any scene in the batman and have a wallpaper you can't do that with a marvel movie

I really hope since Marvel will be at SDCC this year someone's gonna bring this up, and that we can get an official response from Kevin.

@thesuperframe

2 жыл бұрын

atleast a question on where all this is heading.

Great analysis on the state of Marvel🤔👍.... You've just earned yourself a Sub...👌

I think it went downhill when Kevin Fiege took over

You know what? Marvel Studios needs to learn from SEGA for once. Well, look at one of their stuff for references and well, we can't have too much of a good thing at times.

They had a kinda clear goal (which has only just been announced) with the multiverse, thunderbolts and young avengers stuff, other than that a bit empty. But the thing is it felt more like Lego bricks rather than bricks if that analogy makes sense.

After Endgame, Marvel should have started anew with Fantastic Four and the X-Men. This would have been easier than trying to build on Phase 1 which had already come to a definitive conclusion.

Finally we have a good Perth youtuber, lets go :)

To add on to what troyboy said In no way home green goblin wasn’t truly redeemed when he was cured in truth he was actually killed Norman Osborn was still him the green goblin was Norman Osborn true self

Honestly I think marvel should take notes from dc films where the themes are handled with care threats are identified and they work on unique shots and for the heroes to come out of place to everyone else and standout and not as relatable with layers and complex like superman in man of steel or Batman in the dark knight.

Marvels goal is to make the young Avengers. However, they are stumbling through and (as you said) undercooking stories.

I think Kevin Feige and company listens to the fans more so often than a lotta other big properties out there. And is as loyal a fan as any of us. I understand these movies make big money and it’s a business but I just hope that at least it doesn’t turn into something like Star Wars is today for example with the exception of the Madalorian where it’s quantity over quality or visuals over story telling and character and etc. Phase 4 to me still has me excited but at best it’s been a lackluster.

@benhibbits5168

2 жыл бұрын

Not really then they would start giving us good films that spend more time being made so we actually get a films that has a heart

@a1997

2 жыл бұрын

@@benhibbits5168 Fans during phase 2 & 3 wanted more marvel content like tv shows and stuff without thinking about the consequences. Now that they're getting them they're changing their tone. That's the thing, you as a studio can never win unless you make great content nonstop. And however great the studio is nobody can make great content nonstop. The sooner you realise it the better.

7:16 I mean, you just described all of the villains in the non-MCU Spiderman films. They are ALL just scientists/people got science fucking them up and driving them crazy, but not really bad so they can redeem themselves in the end. XD

Captain Marvel was the point we’re marvel was going down hill for me

It makes me pissed how they want you to have sympathy for people like Wanda and the flag smashers, who did a lot of nasty crap, and treat Thor like a joke.

The Ultimate Duology: This and Troys vid>Infinity War and Endgame

I agree marvel having a clear plan would help. But also I don't need phase four to immediately get my focus on the next movies or build up to the next Thanos I need to get invested into the current state of the marvel universe and be invested in where these characters are at after endgame. I want a focus on getting the audience attached to the characters instead of continuously hinting at future projects. So when the big team events do happen it feels like a big pay off. seeing these characters learn and grow through their own movies and then team up when the stakes are the highest is cool.

The crazy thing is this is an issue with Marvel in general not even just the MCU. So much of the comics that come out now feel like the story is already at it’s breaking point at the end of the first issue and then force you to slog through a slow and painfully predictable conclusion. Writers want to break away from tropes and subvert expectations that they have now become another trope that is tiring and makes wanting to continue a series harder and harder.

I think a lot of the reason that attracted audiences with phase 1 in the lead up to the Avengers as well as the infinity War is seeing how and if it could be done.

I cannot believe you two collabed

It remind me of a quote all good things must come to an end.

I totally agree with what you said. Now MCU is all about making more money by producing more movie/series.

I think they should do the New Avengers like Brian Michael Bendis' run in the 2000's that would be awesome and it kind of works

As for the writing they had time they just have an agenda over the script

BROOOOO YOU DID IT MITCH! Nikolai is going to be dr. Doom!!!!! (Rumored) but I’m pretty sure!!

God I hope this message reaches marvel. I have my doubts but they need it.

Great video, I’ve been saying about the same thing to everyone. The writing has been odd to say the least in these movies so far. I was having a convo recently and I was saying that after the infinity saga left the mcu alone for 4 or more years to get the writing down and then surprise everyone with a comeback with great new stories and heroes. With so many things from tv shows and movies everything feels even more bloated. Hopefully someone will fix it. Again, great video.

I saw you comment on Troyoboyo's video and went "Oh it'd be cool if they did a collab" and then I refreshed the page and it was just HERE 😂

It's kinda like driving to a city and passing by landmark at lightspeed

Honestly I believe Marvel's writers should try their damndest to follow The Hero's Journey set up by Joseph Campbell.

That new avengers team did so well

I agree that the writing has been a problem. But I don't agree that they have to be working towards the formation of a new avengers or some kind of event. Of course there should be a plan but if the individual movies/shows in phase 4 were good enough on their own we wouldn't be so worried. I think it is totally fine for them to double down on making good stories that are smaller scale. When they're dealing with ideas like the multiverse and time travel, the writing really has to be on point. I am quite worried that this problem is not gonna get better and the MCU will repeat the mistakes the comics have made.

Great video!

NWH is the shining light at the end of a very dark tunnel. Spider-Man is the future. Not just the college trilogy. Build up his corner of the MCU, introduce more supporting characters and villains from the comics. Do a TV show set in-between events of the movies, do specials, crossovers, spinoffs, etc.

YES!

100%! They did our boy Thor Dirty

“Just a series of events, not a story.” Well, welcome to the world of Kishotenketsu. XD

Not to mention that it seems like they're just rushing ideas out there just for the sake of perking interest, (especially when they know the interest in their content is waning.) So they sprinkle in little random aspects in there, like Ms. Marvel being a Mutant all of a sudden; and while that's a cool and Interesting change, it just felt kinda shoved in there, as if they thought that the introduction of Mutants could attract more attention to the show, (even though a lot of people just watched that scene here on KZread, but didn't watch the show in it's entirety. Lol)

I didn’t think I’d see troys name in one of your titles lol

I would compare phase 4 to phase 2 as the 2nd phase wasn’t so beloved either

I agree that the problem comes down to the writing. The clear vision they had to setup in the first 3 phases its not felt at all in these next few phases. They don’t have a decade to set up another epic 3 phases (in their minds at least) they have to introduce characters and not develop any of them so they can have a big epic battle at some point.

Finally im not the only one. I was watching doctor strange 2 and spiderman no way home a couple weeks ago and I was confused I felt like their wasnt a story that it just had action and scary things and that the characters were telling us stuff and it went from place to place which confused me even more.