If you want to see more of my amp reviews, look here: kzread.info/head/PLNaLwTdlpQNHNo5bubVjV1OW04gkqU8rM

@rickydariel2018

3 жыл бұрын

Instablaster.

Thank you Elmo! I went this direction instead of an attenuator because you are brutally honest, if something even smelled a little you’d let us know! I experimented with my 7 band Boss EQ and it brought my Marshall DSL100 down to bedroom level. Thanks again

Elmo, great to know of this, fantastic playing as well 😁

Perfect video man, keep playing, pointed out everything ! rare to see it around youtube

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I like an EQ pedal in the loop for solo boosts, and you can use it like the volume pot to decrease the volume. You can adjust the EQ if you lose any tone from lowering the overall volume. Or like I did, get a master volume put in the amp. Actually, on my 1987x I had 2 master volumes put in. One works as a master for overall volume control (with both channels on 10) the second master is foot-switchable for a lead volume boost. Works great.

Thanks again, Elmo. Your playing is always great.. and your videos always helpful! Subscribed, sir.

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

@TheCount0212

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter Thanks to you, I've decided to pull the trigger on a Marshall Studio Vintage 20w/5w head. The sound in my head is definitely 60's/70's classic rock. Looking forward to plugging in!

I have two full Superlead stacks in my bedroom. Running in stereo, I've dimed it while wearing good hearing protection. It's AWESOME!!!

@MrPolevaulter

Жыл бұрын

Cool 👍

Update. ..I just got the same volume pot/box delivered 2 days ago that I got on ebay. This cheap little thing is great I also had an attenuator years ago and didn't like it either. I raised my dsl100h volume at around 4 amd it was loud. Then adjusted the vol box lower and kept my tone for the most part. My 1987xl will arrive for Christmas...can't wait to do that test also . Thanks for this !

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Cool bananas :)

@echoTVat

5 жыл бұрын

i have the volume box either ...great thing...cheap crancked and silent

Very interesting. Sounds nice. Ill stick with the helix for the bedroom but it's good that you can get a good time from a stack at low volumes

Awesome stuff man! Subbed. 😉

@MrPolevaulter

10 күн бұрын

Cheers!

very useful ideas re this amp. Great playing too!

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers :)

Hi Elmo love your channel always great informative vids and playing, Have you done a review on a affordable guitar attenuator ?

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! No, sorry :(

Love your videos

The rivera rockcrusher is an amazing attenuator. Maintains every bit of tone

@francesco0185

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't know this loadbox. Could you use it also for home recording with cab and mic simulation? What's the difference with the Universal Ausio OX? Thanks!

@shichen4805

2 жыл бұрын

@@francesco0185 The rivera rockcrusher works better as an attenuator while UA OX works better as a load box with great cab and mic simulation(yes, rivera rockcrusher doesent have that)

I have a Plexi Reissue that I run through a Rivera Rock Crusher attenuator and can get fully cranked tone at bedroom level pretty easily...it's beautiful actually. I do run a rack mounted reverb unit though it as well for the reverb mostly but I can fine tune the volume there if need be, it's generally left at unity on the output and input as it goes through the preamp stage on the amp and can effect tone especially when turned very low, can get thin...but great for level setting in between dB stages on an attenuator. Great to have for live sound in any sized room while keeping consistent tone. That RC is great for home studio/recording purposes too. Mic'd in the home studio (I still record to analog tape) I sometimes have to take the headphones off to make sure it's not too loud because it just sounds so damn good and full toned in there, doesn't get thin, stays creamy on the high notes, because it's essentially a fully cranked Plexi. Point being: I would not rule out a good attenuator, they can work wonders on these beasts. Nice rig (those things are tone monsters), nice work, good demo...and yes, a volume box through the back is a lot less costly than a good attenuator, so that is worthy info for those on a budget. Cheers.

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! And yeah, I understand what you're saying about an attenuator. I'm planning on getting one, but I want something that will do the job once and for all, so it will have to cost a bit. We'll see what I decide on getting.

@bbbro34

5 жыл бұрын

Rivera Rock Crusher, and I'm not a salesperson, just a user, is a reactive attenuator, not resistive, and it does a fantastic job on holding tone...just buy it used, I did, and got it for $300 US dollars, lists for $550 new. When I asked the people via email at Rivera if it could handle a 100 watt Plexi dimed, they were quick to respond and said that is it exactly the amp they had in mind when they made it and to dime away. Here's the other plus side to it, it's great live and will allow you to hold consistent tone and give a good volume control for any size venue, small or large, pub, whatever...the sound guys will love you for it. No more evil stare downs when you roll in your Plexi stack. Great video and good info.

@GuitarsAndSynths

4 жыл бұрын

seems like even for low wattage tube amps you really need an attenuator in most cases. Heck even my 1 watt solid state Vox mini G3 amp gets loud at half volume.

@LightningStrat

4 жыл бұрын

I have the YJM100 Marshall amp with the built-in attentuator. Looks amazing to have up here but can't really get much use out of it as it has to be set aggressively, so I'm back to my solid state Marshall till I can isolate it. I was thinking of wiring it up in the garage fully soundproofed and then using a wireless system to play back through my guitar/speakers that I keep in my bedroom. Or maybe I need a Rivera Rock Crusher, ha. Would that be better than the YJM attenuator?

fantastic playing by the way...video's are great

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers :)

Hi Elmo, would you suggest the SV20 or the 1987X for Yngwie and 80s tones? I don’t need bedroom volume, I don’t have neighbors

Fender amps are famous for going from can't hear anything to the windows and doors rattling. The way I tamed my 65 twin reverb was to change the volume pot on the amp with a volume pot with a better linear taper.. finally, I used a overdrive pedal as a clean boost and tone filter and that was the silver bullet. I could use it on 1 and still get an excellent practice tone. Another trick is to remove a power tube. I personally don't like that as it makes the tone sound weak.

Hey Elmo, I’m wondering if I should get the studio classic or studio vintage with a hotplate/mini mass. Can you get Plexi tones with the studio classic, it is as dynamic and responsive? Is any of this going to sound good lowered to around 85db ? What would you recommend? Thank you!

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Haven't tried the Classic, but in my experience, you don't really get the whole Plexi thing with a JCM 800. You can get close, but it's still not the same.

Thank you for post this video.

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

And thank you :)

Is it possible to do the same with marshall SV20 ? Is the fx loop after phase inductor ? Mainly for solo volume boost.

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

Yep.

you are genius man, i put my fkin mooer mini comp FIRST in the chain as a volume pedal and voilá maximum volume all the way! you are truly a genius elmo thank you very much (i have a master knob in my x1987)

@MrPolevaulter

Жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

@maximokruk2739

Жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter the delay feature you mentioned made everything click. much cheaper than buying a fryette 1000 bucks power station.

@maximokruk2739

Жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter yngwie tone for days! he used to use a delay FIRST in the chain which COMPRESSED the signal. bizarre.

your intro music is Plexi LOUD ! woah ! I've used a volume pot in my loop since 2000. plus we played loud anyway !hope you had ear plugs in btw

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the volume pot is a great thing :)

I’m one for low tube amp volume bc I’m in an apt setting .. I Own Bugera tube G20 watt amp with 2 - 80 watt Bugera TS cabinets and my amp is at full functionality at low volume , my low volume is set at tv volume setting when I’m channeling it. So I set my tv volume for whatever then see if tv volume drowns out or equal to my amp and if it does then off the tv then jam. Then when I up the amp volume then my tv sound bar fills the gap 🤘🎸🤘 Btw ... I’m still interested in purchasing a Marshall rig setup and just leave my tv sound bar just loud 🤘

This is just what I was looking for. I'll pick up a JHS Little Black Amp Box with my 20w Plexi Reissue now 🙌. Can I ask what the dirt is you're kicking in there? That lead tone is just gorgeous.

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It's either the Fender Yngwie Malmsteen overdrive or the Strymon Riverside. I forget 😀

Have you tried plugging the send output from the amp into a cabsim ? Not all amps sound good that way, but some do. Like the bluguitar for instance

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Haven't tried that, no.

I play my Marshall half stack (Plexi clone with vintage Basketweave cab) but I don’t play distorted rock. My rig has juicy clean tones at low volume. If I showed up to a small club gig with my rig, everyone would hate it visually and would probably kick me out before I even turned it on.

Do you have a link to the specific volume pot you use? Also, how do you actually hook it up? (i.e. what connections are needed)

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

No. I don't think the guy makes them anymore. I bought a second one, which is more rugged (since I thought I need a spare). I haven't tried it though. Here's the link to that: www.ebay.com/itm/Metal-Volume-Box-guitar-amp-audio-taper-effects-loop-master-volume-attenuator/200925901680?hash=item2ec81df370:g:zqoAAOSwVctY5MXu Connections are simple. From the send of the amp into the volume pot, and out from the volume pot into the return of the amp. I also have other stuff in the loop. In my case I put it all before the volume pot.

What are your thoughts on the smaller Friedman and Bogner amps like the mini Dirty Shirley, mini Runt 20, mini Pink Taco and Bogner Atma versus the mini Marshall re-issue amps? Seems like Friedman and Bogner hav solved the entire low volume issue and Marshall still is not quite there yet plus FX loop is better.

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't tried them, so can't really say.

@jorgeleonel6663

3 жыл бұрын

I have a Friedman Be100 and the master volume works like a charm!!

Nice video👍 played a plexi for years and have to sold it cause it was to loud....I cried rivers for years... yesterday I unboxed my new Marshall 1987X Plexi and I cried rivers again🤗 in my opinion not the amp is to loud, but the living situation is important...need a place where the amp can run his character😜 stay tuned

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

I understand.

@johnmarshall3903

3 жыл бұрын

Fryette power station. Excellent unit

I use the Carvin Hot Box Amp volume it works fine and at $15 u.s. it's cheaper then the Bugera attenuator that I don't use anymore because it sucks my tone.

Damn, I started thinking that putting 50watt combo (it has 5watt switcher, but it is still loud as hell) in flat is a bad idea, but you just save me with this video))

if have effect boxes in the loop...would i place the volume box after all the pedals? Or before all the pedals...

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

I have it after everything else.

@echoTVat

5 жыл бұрын

after the effects

Phone dB meters are useless. Most phone microphones have a threshold of between 80-90 dB. You were probably more about 120.

Hey Elmo I know you probably already said the name of that noise suppressor/gate pedal but what was it called? I'm gonna try get AC/DC's sound in the future (Both Angus & Malcolm's tone) but their amps are insanely loud so I wanna get their sound without being as loud as a concert

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

The noise suppressor is a Boss NS-2.

@masonkemp6251

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Elmo!

Hi Elmo, what pedal are you pressing there when playing? I mean when you start, there’s some overdrive, but then you stomp on something and it goes into heavier distortion… As far as I know, Plexi is a single channel, so is there some pedal you’re using?

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Overdrive. I forget which one.

do you ever jump the two inputs? If so please explain which two and any pros and cons. Thanks

@pawelos4

5 жыл бұрын

First and second if he does and one of the channels is bright while the other is dark. You can get different sounds by jumping the channels and these are the pros and cons.

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

I never do, because I prefer the bright channel.

Hi Elmo! I have a 1987x and an Earnie Ball Jr 250k pedal that I tried in the loop. However it sounded like shit. All brightness disappeared as soon as I lowered the volume just a bit. Any idea why I'm having that problem? Is it maybe because of the 250k pot? Maybe 500k would solve the problem?

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

That might be the problem, although I'm not sure.

@andrewgarcia3136

4 жыл бұрын

I would throw an eq on the loop personally

Did you ever tried something like Torpedo Captor X or Ox? It seems like nice (not cheap though) option to attenuate amp and give you possibility to play/record silently.

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Just bought one, but haven't tried it yet.

@HammerFang

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter cant wait your review of that devise :)

Which overdrive do you use when you step on someting?

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Fender Yngwie Malmsteen Overdrive is my go to pedal. I've also used the Strymon Sunset.

can you compare the clean setting on the origin 20 to a hot rod deluxe? they are about the same price range

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Don't have the Origin anymore. I sold it to buy more gear to review. I have about 12 gear reviews made 😂

@rowdyjohnson6026

4 жыл бұрын

That' s an apples to oranges comparison. It's not that one is " better" than the other, they are just very distinctively different, and offer a very different set of features as well. There is a tone difference but also a difference in available gain, which pedals work well with them, etc. That said if you are looking for a " clean" amp and get your o.d/ distortion from pedals, ya want the fender. If ya want more drive, can live without internal reverb, or are more of a guitar straight to the amp type fella that needs the amp to go from clean to dirty without pedals, ya want the marshall. The origin is pedal friendly, dont get me wrong, but it is classic marshall, no more no less. The fender is a 6l6 driven clean amp with a lil breakup if cranked with a nice reverb and not much else, but is a lil more pedal friendly. The beauty of both is their simplicity but other than that, they have very little in common.

I do this on my new studio vintage. I need to crank the amp, and it's 20 or 5 w. But sometimes on small stages where you mic the Amps, you need to go even lower. I have a rcbooster to put in the loop, and it works great. Great as a boost also. Kick it in on lower volume for rythm, Kick it off when it's time for solo😎

@stratofig

5 жыл бұрын

How does the Studio Vintage sound when you turn this volume control down low for playing at home volumes? Does a pedal with a volume control put in the effects loop also work to lower the volume?

@toreknutsen7251

4 жыл бұрын

@@stratofig I use a attenuator for that purpose. Just have the rc booster as a reverse boost, kind of.

Would love to see a video of your live set up with this. Can we get a rig rundown?

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

I'm in the process of rebuilding my live rig. I'll do one when I'm happy with it. I have an older video as well.

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Can't find it now. I think it was unlisted. I can look it up on my laptop tomorrow. Remind me if I forget.

@BenWGray

5 жыл бұрын

Look forward to it cheers

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

There you go: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oWqpltKHnJPAitY.html

@BenWGray

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter Cheers Elmo

whats the level of the loop set at on the back of the amp?

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

I don't remember.

funny: my rivera from 1992 has a FX-return volume for both power amps separately. and they tell that trick in the manual as far as i remember

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Cool :)

@deadcatforcutie9349

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter yh, but many amps have only a send-level control these days (if any). your solution is pretty neat and straight forward. merry XMas!

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

@@deadcatforcutie9349 Thanks! Have a Merry Christmas too :)

Hi. What model is the cabinet? looks like 1960 А...

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

1960 AHW.

Yo so what's the volume out pedal called (brand, model, etc)? I know a place selling one for AU $1800 brand new (I asked, it's been sitting in the shop two years). Seriously considering it!

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

Volume out pedal? Do you mean the volume pot? It was around 20 dollars if I remember correctly.

@LockyTheRocker

4 жыл бұрын

Elmo Karjalainen yeah volume pot is what I was meaning :) thanks

Thanks 🤘

Pelastit just mulle 500€. Ostin DSL 100H nupin ja en saanu soundia.Panin sitten vihjeesi mukaan send/return looppiin Ibanezin D7 ja sen levelin 0.01:een ja driven nollaan.Marsun gain ja volume täysille. D7 tonesta kun kääntää niin OHO. Pukkaa yhtäkkiä mieletön soundi! Parasta soundia koskaan! Erottelevuus soinnuissa ja munakas paksuus ja kermainen laulavuus kaikki samaan syssyyn. Oikein kunnon peräkammarin kreivi meininkiä. Yhtäkkiä oli nuoren Arsene Lupinin sormet. Paras vinkki ikinä!

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Loistavaa että olin avuksi :)

Hi Elmo, are you using the volume pot also in live on stage?

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Yep.

Hello Elmo , where can I find this volume pot? Any product link ? Thanks

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

On eBay. There's one: www.ebay.com/itm/Metal-Volume-Box-guitar-amp-audio-taper-effects-loop-master-volume-attenuator/200925901680?hash=item2ec81df370:g:zqoAAOSwVctY5MXu I have it, but it's not as good as the one I bought earlier (which isn't available anymore). Everything happens in a really small space when turning the knob, and then nothing happens. JHS also has one, but it's more expensive.

@antonio.cappelli

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter Thanks, I would like to buy a Marshall DSL20HR, for the construction type of the amplifier the JHS could be used or not? Would an attenuator be better? I'd like to use the head at a bedroom level because I live in a small condo, the Marshall has a shunt to switch from 20 to 10 watt but still loud, Peavey 6505MH Will Be a Better choice? Thank you

@MrPolevaulter

2 жыл бұрын

@@antonio.cappelli Not sure about the DSL. Haven't tried the pot in the lopp with that.

I like the overdrives your using. What did you use in this video?

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

Fender Yngwie Malmsteen Overdrive I think.

@NATJANOFF22

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds Killin bro!

Depending on your speakers, using an attenuator or effects loop master volume or post phase inverter master volume might lose you some "tone" due to a lack of speaker breakup caused by higher volumes. Some speakers are "stiffer" than others, maintaining their signal integrity at higher volumes. Others (like G12M25's and G12H30's, for instance, among many others) will break up and distort at higher volumes. If you've built your tone around a set of speakers that have an attractive-sounding breakup, you will lose that characteristic from your sound at lower volumes, even with the same amount of amp distortion. I learned about this first-hand when I got a good rocking tone out of a 1959 Reissue without an effects loop. In order to quiet it down, I got a Weber attenuator with a coneless speaker motor in it to reduce the volume going to the cab. Unfortunately, part of that great tone was the speakers breaking up under the hideously, horrifyingly loud volume of the 100-watt Plexi. That same attenuator worked *_great_* on a Laney AOR 100 rig, though. The Laney cab's speakers broke up at much higher volume than the cab I used with the Marshall, so the attenuator didn't ruin the tone. You learn these things as you go, sometimes. Heed my warning about this, though, and you might save yourself some money if you investigate how loud speakers can get before they break up. That way you can plan for an attenuator, if your amp doesn't have an effects loop or if you don't want to use it as a master volume, or if you're going to install a post phase inverter master volume. One last thing: If you want to get an attenuator to use on a non-master volume Marshall (or a clone of one), get one that's rated at at least half again the nominal rating of the amp. So, get a 75-watt (or higher) attenuator for a Model 1986 or 1987 50-watt Plexi and a 150-watt (or higher) attenuator for a Model 1959 Plexi. The reason is that, when these amps were first designed, built and marketed, the watts rating of the amp was *_at the point of a certain percentage of harmonic distortion of the system._* Think about that for a moment. A 100-watt Plexi is putting out about 100 watts of power _at the last point on the sweep of the volume knob that amp is still producing clean tones._ Where is that on _your_ amp? 4? 5? Everything after that is distorted and more watts. Average, everyday, run-of-the-mill Plexis can generate 135 watts at max volume. 145 to 150 is perfectly common. It is not unusual for them to produce 170 watts at full chat. If you try to use a 100-watt attenuator on a "100-watt" Plexi, you might just burn up your attenuator.

Is it possible to do it on my marshall jtm45?

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

If it has a loop, then it should work.

I use a boost with the volume down in the loop of my jcm800 reissue. But my 1959HW has not the loop effect XD

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. That's a problem with the 1959.

Elmo! It works for the Marshall studio SV20C combo? Cheers from Argentina

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

If it has a loop, it should.

@christocaster

3 жыл бұрын

Hi if i put a JHS little black amp in the fx loop of my sv20 (the same in your demo) i loose the Gain from the amp. Logical but not cool like your demo here. With a Vol pedal sadly the same. What the problem ? Thanks man;)

@jcd13able

2 жыл бұрын

@@christocaster SV20 creates some of it's distortion from the power tubes if the preamp tube signal is large enough to drive the power tube into saturation. Since you are attenuating the preamp signal it doesn't have enough umph to push the power tube into saturation thus less gain coming out of the amp. In another words, most of your gain sounds come from the preamp tubes instead of the power tubes like a 100w plexi would produce. With sv20 you're better off with an attenuator between the power tube and the speaker that will reduce the volume of both pre and power tube distortions.

@christocaster

2 жыл бұрын

@@jcd13able ok thanks.

Can you link where I could buy the same volume pot ? thanks

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

It's not the same one, but I think it should do the job: www.ebay.com/itm/Volume-Box-guitar-amp-effect-loop-touchy-master-volume-taper-fix-attenuator/200925904844?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D6ba13b58dccb476e913772d9fdf9659c%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D200925904844%26itm%3D200925904844%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Ae6bc3c15-f499-11e9-8c27-74dbd1801a9c%7Cparentrq%3Af2461f8d16d0ac3e258d7807ffff5e66%7Ciid%3A1

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

The one I bought isn't available anymore.

@rowdyjohnson6026

4 жыл бұрын

Check out the " volume box" by Carl's custom guitars ( also available on ebay and reverb.com) inexpensive and work like they are supposed to for an fx loop style " attenuator ". In a perfect world the marshall power brake or thd hotplate would be my recommendations but these fx loop boxes work well for much less cash.

What's the volume pot called? And does it work for a solid state amp? Thanks

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Why would you need it in a solid state amp? I forget what it's called. JHS has one. Can't remember what that was called either.

@eternalism8274

3 жыл бұрын

jhs - Little Black Amp Box

I use a serie/parallel switch. After the whole amp. Trainwreck expres. It sounds as if you connect more speakers and your impedance get's less. It's sounds good bc in this case the power amp is on 10 the whole time. So a 16 ohm in serie and a 16 ohm paralel. use big resistors ..............like 25/50 Watt. succes

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Cool 😊

My understanding is this.... The way you are doing this in the loop is actually placing a master volume before the phase inverter tube. I think this is where they placed the master volume circuit in the JCM800s, but I don't know or sure. There is another mod that places it after the phase inverter tube known as a PPIMV which stands for post phase inverter master volume.... LaMar Master Volume is a popular mod for plexis. That tube is absolutley responsible for a lot of the plexi tone so you're missing a gain stage if you stick it in the loop. I have a plexi with a PPIMV and have A/B both ways and there is a definite difference in the tone doing this in the loop where there is barely any with the PPIMV. I can take my plexi on nuclear and tame it quite easily. All that being said this is a great solution and you can do it for $20 if you don't already have an extra volume pedal lying around. If you've got a plexi check into a PPIMV. It's gonna run ya about $100 which is still cheaper than an attenuator, but if you've got a plexi type amp you've already got some $ invested. Great video, Great playing I sunscribed

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers :)

If you would ever make a video with the Waza Craft Expander set up as a normal attenuator between the head and the cab - set with the optimal choice of power tube match out of the 16 possible choices the device has, and compare that sound with the sound you get with your solution in this video, that would be a video I'd be very interested in watching! If your solution would be nearby soundwise, that easy way of solving the attenuator problem (where the attenuator used seldom is the right match for the power tube valves) would be highly desirable. :-)

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

I've been thinking about the possibility of making such a video. The Boss just costs a lot though, so I have to shift some gear first.

@gabriel_santana_86

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter Maybe they'll send one for free to you just to hopefully market their product through your video. The result to be expected would at least in part be favorable for their product, and you have enough followers. 👍☺️

So you only have that little black volume box between your guitar and amp in this video nothing else in the line ? Sound great 👍.

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

It's in the loop. I do have an overdrive between the guitar and amp.

@rasmuss2239

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter Which box is it? Du you have a link?

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

@@rasmuss2239 Not to the one I have (I don't think they make it anymore), but something similar: www.ebay.com/itm/Volume-Box-guitar-amp-effect-loop-touchy-master-volume-taper-fix-attenuator/200925904844?hash=item2ec81dffcc:g:wFIAAMXQ-BZQ9goF

Boss GE-7 EQ has plus or minus 15db slider. Crank the amp to where you like it and drop the volume to where you need it on the pedal. Same tone just quieter. That's if you like having eq options aswell as volume control. Otherwise a vol pot will do fine like he says

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

The volume pot I have has more range and is way cheaper.

@guitarocd9984

5 жыл бұрын

If you turn the EQ pedal down you won't be hitting the front end of the amp with any Force. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. It would be like turning your volume down on your guitar same thing.

@BigAirNo1

5 жыл бұрын

Youre right but if you use eq in the loop you're still hitting the front end the same, just basically attenuating it.

@guitarocd9984

5 жыл бұрын

Ah the fx loop. Let me go try that. I've been using an attenuator. This never dawned on me.

@Ibanezguy2007

2 жыл бұрын

you can do this also with a Helix or Multi FX pedal right? Just lower the output on the multi fx

to make it clear you put a volumebox(poti) between cab an and amp(caboutput)??????

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

In the effects loop, not between amp and cab.

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Between the amp and cab you'd use an attenuator.

@echoTVat

5 жыл бұрын

thank you@@MrPolevaulter

Good to see someone out there who scallops their own necks like me. Takes balls to do that.

@alfaalex101

4 жыл бұрын

Stonehouse Guitars Once you play a scalloped it’s hard to go back. Loads more expression in your bends. Takes a lot of patience though

@stonehouseguitars3869

4 жыл бұрын

Homer Simpson I switched about 10 years ago and I don’t even notice it anymore. I notice if I play a regular fretboard, hammer-ons and pulloffs and legato seem to be quite a bit easier. The added resistance helps there I think. But I don’t have any problems with that with a scalloped fretboard, it’s just super easy on a flat one. Scalloped was the way to go for me, I’ve never looked back since, although a flat fretboard does not bother me that much. Just makes bends and vibrato not as fluid or good.

Is it a JMP50 or a JTM45? To me attenuators cost an arm and a leg and whatever the brand they always change the original sound the bad way.

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

My Plexi? It's a 1987x. The attenuators I've tried didn't work well, but I've heard that the Ox by Universal Audio, and the Waza Tube Amp Expander really work. Not sure though.

@anthroknight

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter Brilliant playing and a great video! I've been using a volume pot in the loop of my 60 watt Hot Rod Deville 410 (I know, heresy) for many years and it really is a great solution ... if you can live with only pre-amp tube saturation. But i recently built a fantastic attenuator for about 50 euros -- really easy to do in a few hours even by a novice. It absolutely DOES NOT mess with the tone down to around -28db: on a 50W Plexi that should drop the amp from somewhere around 118db dimed to about 90db which is still way above bedroom level, but playing with the volumes and perhaps putting an always-on pedal in front with low level (or even the volume pot in the loop as well) you can definitely get into bedroom territory. If you're interested just go to the Marshall Forum and look for "Simple Attenuator" :)

0:34 that intro man haha amazing

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

:)

@hichembell9972

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter would you please help me decide? Bugera 1960 vs Marshall Origin in one word for a plexi sound

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

@@hichembell9972 Not sure. Both are good I'd say.

Very interesting. Do you lose compression when you turn the volume down a lot? I mean do you get power amp distortion? It would seem you would lose speaker air movement or something. Very cool tip. I once had a peavey 2x 12 Ranger combo. That thing was so loud you could rotate the earth on it's axis. I mean this thing was loud.

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

You do lose a bit yeah.

Is the JHS Little Black Amp good ? :)

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

Dunnno.

@jorgeleonel6663

3 жыл бұрын

That's a great question. It is supposed to be hooked up in the fx loop. Heard great things about it

What power soak are u using? Also what are u driving it with mate ?

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Just a volume pot in the loop. I think I was using a Fender Yngwie Malmsteen Overdrive in this video.

@kitchenguitarshred8587

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter you got it sounding brilliant fairplay

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

@@kitchenguitarshred8587 Cheers!

Thanks for this video Julian Assange!

@indianajones_stone

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

Wow.can you get it down to tv levels? Or it won't attenuate that much

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

What's TV level? I'd assume it's the same as bedroom level.

@joshmuz9018

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter pretty much man. Like when your watching tv fairly loud. The 1987x reissue sounds like a killer amp I'm interested but can only play at home in my country most of the time now

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshmuz9018 Something like that, yeah.

What if you have an old Marshall with no loop? Get a old JCM800 with a Master Volume I guess.

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

That or a power soak of some sort.

you use volume pedal becoz your amp is broken?? or is it all of Plexi naturally act like that ?

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Plexis are like that.

85dB fully cranked? I doubt it. Depending on the efficiency of the cabinet I’d think it’s more like 115-120dB. It’s probably pushing 90-95dB 20 meters from the cabinet, ie very loud indeed. 95dB would have equivalent loudness to sitting in a car with the radio at full volume.

@eternalism8274

3 жыл бұрын

I was guessing and expecting 115 dB. No way 85 dB, that's a commonplace level at home.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the fx loop master volume is completely different from the actual sound. The classic plexi tone is based on BOTH preamp and power amp distortion. Using a volume knob in the fx loop (which I believe is pre phase inverter, the part that actually distorts), will only cut the signal more and more and doesn’t drive the phase inverter at all. This means that this sound is mostly if not only preamp distortion, which is NOT how a plexi sounds, which is why you need an attenuator in between power amp and speaker (which is definitely AFTER the phase inverter) so we can hear phase inverter/power amp distortion which is a big part of the sound of plexi users (ACDC’s Angus and Malcolm Young, Yngwie Malnsteen, Pete Townshend, Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page... etc)

@christocaster

3 жыл бұрын

absolutely right man!!!

Man!!! That's some intro!!

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers 😊

take off the capacitor on the VOLUME 1 knob, or reduce to 500pf or 250pf. It will reduce the volume when you turn the knob down. Not much, but the volume will be more notice.

@TheStrataminor

5 жыл бұрын

and if you don't know what you are doing, you will end up paying for a tech to fix up your mess, or electrocute yourself...don't do this!!

@skald98

5 жыл бұрын

Or just put a volume pedal in the effects loop.

Marshall should make a 1 watt....and have an option for a 0.5 watt output. They're missing out on a HUGE customer base.

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Haha :D

@derekcrosson2575

5 жыл бұрын

They do.. in the dsl series

@infectionsman

5 жыл бұрын

They have released a series of 1w heads, and several of them have a 0.1w setting! JMP-1H for example, though it is disgustingly overpriced.

For each single DB down is half the volume, also each db up is twice the volume.

2 volume pot in series in fx, would do it!

A really good pair of industrial ear defenders works fine for me :-). The bonus is that you can't hear the neighbours complaining either, but the Marshall stills manages to get through. After all more is more (or less)…

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

😀

What’s your settings for Yngwie tone?

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Do you mean what my settings are? I don't try to go for an exact Yngwie tone.

@RisingPhoenixNK

5 жыл бұрын

Yes what’s your settings

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Volume on full, bass 7-8, mid 7-8, treble 6(ish), presence 4(ish). The overdrive pedal has gain and volume on full.

@2007srv

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter YOU in vol 1 correct . what do you have it on 10 ? thanks .

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

@@2007srv Sorry, not sure I follow.

Ehx signal pad in the loop cheap as shit and works perfect!

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Cool :)

Eminence makes attenuation speakers. I have the redcoats and they work great.

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Cool :)

I doubt the microphone in the phone would have the dynamic range to be able to output anything higher than 85dB. I encourage you to wear hearing protection when you do these things. Have to see you deaf by the time your're 40 ;)

@MrPolevaulter

4 жыл бұрын

I am 40, and still not deaf 🤣

marshall plexi top

not bad, my ears are ringin from pollen an sneezing, i can now afford marshall mini jubilee, but dammit, 1200 bucks an upwards for a good used 20 watt amp,an i know there great..i was only sent 1400.0 though an got bills to pay an truck needs headliner etc..a friend has a 1987x plexi reissue for 1400.00 dammit, we used to get them used for 500 or so..theres never enough money...........i want the little silver jubilee combo so bad, but no way under 1000.00 or so, dammit.......................

7:02 🤣🤣

Your dB-app isn't far off actually. When counting and adjusting dB you need to understand the logarithm. I seem to remember you've mentioned that math wasn't your strong suit 🤔, so I'll break it down. Deci means ten. This means every bel higher basically raises the effect by ten each step. So there is a greater difference from 79 to 78 than from 78 to 77. This means that each whole step between 80 and 90 are basically ten times higher than the ones from 70 to 80. Obviously an app can never measure perfectly but seeing how I have my own dB-machine at work and I use my amp as a point of reference when teaching about sound in physics I can conclude that your app is sufficient enough 👍. I live in my own house so I have my big amp in my living room. And my kids sleep on the top floor so I can play quite high even after bedtime. But I must say that the fact that I can adjust the wattage in the output (from 60w all the way down to 1w) goes a long way. It doesn't keep the sound all the way, but definitely close enough. Great feature actually. But very interesting video. The health of our ears is something many of us don't think about. Catch that? 😂😉. I might use this video as part of my teaching actually. Could work as an introduction both to counting dB but also added knowledge before I go practical. Hope that's ok in that case.

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Cool stuff. I'm indebted to you my learned colleague 😊

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

And it's totally OK to use any of my videos to teach, or scare, the kids 😂

@MagisterTuomo

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter That you are not 😊

@MagisterTuomo

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter Both of course. "Don't make me bring Elmo out ☝️! " 😂👏

@MagisterTuomo

5 жыл бұрын

Indebted I meant. Figured I should emphasize that. Would be awkward if you'd misinterpret and go "Now we must do battle". 😁

bedroom must be 250 ft. x 4 or bigger, no reverb needed for the marshall........

I think if you have a Plexi it should be illegal to turn it down! Just kidding. Nice video Elmo!

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Haha :D Thanks :)

elmo,your a good man an kinda crazy,an have a good touch there..............last time i was in a bad mood,id be in a better mood if i had 5000 more dollars..............

@MrPolevaulter

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Then lets just use that cube :D

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

😂

Most likely you were using a load box that was a resistive load as they are the least expensive and definitely the most common. You need to use a load box that has a reactive load- those don't kill your tone.

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry, not sure I understand? Sounds like you didn't watch the video. I might just have misunderstood. I was using a passive volume pot in the loop, not a load box. One of those would be after the amp.

@hkguitar1984

5 жыл бұрын

I think livingabovethe12th was referring to your use of an attenuator many years ago, and that you hated it. I/We would like to see you try a newer modern attenuator that is "reactive". Older attenuators used a resistave coil encased in cement, and while they work well they do suck some of the tone out of the signal/sound. Try a Rivera Rock Crusher Recording with the active EQ, it is an active attenuator that seems to be a good trade off between price, features and performance. For my older 1987x (no effects loop) I am running a 2x12" cabinet with a pair of custom voiced/reconed Vintage 30s, it is VERY Loud. Looking to upgrade my Dr. Z Air-Brake attenuator soon with the Rivera model. Funny what you said about the volume knob not working, so true. Volume settings at anything under "4" sounds thin, I play mine daily at about 3/4 full volume (using the attenuator of course). Interesting, my other amp is an old Fender Twin Reverb, at 100 Watts it is almost as loud as the 50 Watt Marshall 1987x!

The newer 1987X heads sound nasty and noisy and the fx loop is weird. You shouldn't have to service a new head but better tubes some tweaks and putting the treble cap across both channels like the early Marshalls makes it much more usable for cleaner settings then you can use a boost or an OD. Or use a power brake.

If I play a 1 watt through a 4x12 it’s not going to be bedroom volume. Get a 1\4 watt amp

@rowdyjohnson6026

4 жыл бұрын

The 4×12 is the culprit in this scenario. Ya dont need less watts ( this will also sacrifice clean headroom) , ya need less speaker. When using 1 watt, a single 12 is more than enough speaker. Then again, most do not only play in the bedroom so attenuators and fx loop type "volume boxes" still come in handy regardless. One amp, large cab, small cab, and attenuator/ volume box allows one to go from bedroom to small club to theatre efficiently. And getting a single 1×12 cab and volume box is cheaper than several amps with several wattage ratings etc., and allows you to take your favorite amp/ tone to any setting, large or small.

i have 87x plexi on about 1 or maybe 2 and a ,,..pure air pedal,...... on maybe 1 or two, in the livingroom,and am careful....an it works,but the cats have slunk back towards the bedroom,it can be done,an this plexi was played all over the world an traded for a rare firebird,an has a weird mod in back, goes up an down a little on bass an treble, not a master volume,but no clue,its the richest most attractive plexi i ever heard..an im still afraid of it a little here in the living room,what a beautiful tone,so huge,an makes me fel like im better player than i am,i wish i knew who the guy was who my friend traded the firebird for this..gimme a normal strat an a marshall or good engl,an classic blues/ rock, no metal,no shred i hate that musick so bad,gimme zz top, skynyrd, deep purple,....spirit,an nazareth,an queen etc..................

these guys were never ment to be bedroom amps

@MrPolevaulter

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely true. But you can still use them there. The best option is to not have the volume pot, and just annoy the hell out of your neighbors :D

@albertorivera6715

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrPolevaulter lol

Db meter on sell phone is shit!