Marinette, the girl they KNOW has been relentlessly bullied every day for years suddenly skipping school? Shouldn't a decent parent assume she MIGHT be skipping school to escape being constantly tormented? Idk man.

@voidtectonic

4 ай бұрын

Ugh, how dare this child try to avoid one of the most harmful things in her life. Punish her for not being a depressed masochist.

@rachelfoster2872

4 ай бұрын

@@voidtectonicPunish the child!!!

@dirisiri1267

4 ай бұрын

​@rachelfoster2872 Yes, punish her!/s

@craigpeoples9883

3 ай бұрын

Yeesh if you think about it this way, no wonder she can be so questionable

@tthats_that_me_espresso

7 сағат бұрын

Fr, if parenting was a job, they’d be fired

Honestly if my kid came home every day complaining about a school bully that’s always in her class I’d change schools immediately.

@LacieAnimations

4 ай бұрын

Or figure out what’s going on, talk to the counselors and have your kid moved to a different class. If the bullying is still happening, then that’s when you move schools

@littlesparrow303

4 ай бұрын

@@LacieAnimationsthat I agree with

@kou7191

4 ай бұрын

@@LacieAnimations By the logics of the show, Chloe being the mayor's daughter makes her literally untouchable, so Marinette changing schools would've been the easiest, if not only solution.

@Kayla_Sandoval

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, my mom said she would do the same. She would never believe someone else over me.

@nevaehhamilton3493

4 ай бұрын

I didn't even have to tell my mom I was being bullied because she already knew and pulled me out of that school (I didn't know I was being bullied until much later in life, btw.) Spoiler alert, the *_teachers_* were my bullies.

One of the reasons I despise watching the episode Ladybug is that no one, not even her parents, believe her when Lila does her shit and plants the evidence

@abbysworld05

4 ай бұрын

Adrien believed her, everyone exempt Adrien believed Marinette

@littlesparrow303

4 ай бұрын

For real!! Then they only make Adrien believe her because to have a moment. I’m sorry but her parents should have stood up for her. Like in S1 of Robocop Tom did believe his daughter wasn’t a thief.

@janayshacousin7905

4 ай бұрын

exactly like it's sad that your own parents believe a stranger they don't even know over their own daughter

@viviennemorgan7217

4 ай бұрын

tom believed her in robocop.

@billykaplan9915

4 ай бұрын

And the evidence was very poorly plant since they didn't even open the door an it fell out of the locker and later I always hate how absolutely everyone believe even the most ridiculous things she said like she could said she's a alien and everyone will believe her

"And bonus points- she's an abusive spouse too- which is something *no other character in the show* is able to claim. So congratulations! *Not even Gabe's as bad as you.* " I can't be the only one who thought this was hilarious 🤣

@delphoxhoopa7289

4 ай бұрын

Nope! It's funny because it's true! 🤣

@nicolas._.2294

4 ай бұрын

I would argue that Gabe is worse.....but eh

@Archiver_Studio

4 ай бұрын

@@nicolas._.2294 At least Gabe has...A reason? I guess? He's a villain and still mourning so he's kind of justified? Audrey is none of these things and is still a horrible person so yeah, definitely worse than early series Gabe

@nicolas._.2294

4 ай бұрын

@@Archiver_Studio I don't think his wife death can justify him from throwing adrien through half of paris(cat blanc)

@Archiver_Studio

4 ай бұрын

@@nicolas._.2294 That's fair, but my stands outside of the alternate timelines

As someone whose mom always stood up for them against bullies, to the point where ALL the office staff knew who she was, Marinette's parents frustrate me to no end. They love Marinette, but they clearly don't prioritize her feelings when it's important, and that's just as painful as bullying, if not more so.

@billykaplan9915

4 ай бұрын

I wish my parents stood up for me my parental figure and Me had a relationship like Gabriel and Adrien

@StarlightSilver

4 ай бұрын

Same. Everyone in the building heard my mom cursing and screaming at the adults. It practically echoed through the entire building

@delphoxhoopa7289

4 ай бұрын

​@@StarlightSilverThe teachers were too happy when I finally graduated. Since I was leaving, they'd never have to see my mom again! They were probably celebrating after I left!

@carlopicanco2555

4 ай бұрын

​@@delphoxhoopa7289 Sometimes I wonder how people who shouldn't be teachers/principals got into the profession.

@milchbrotchen2930

4 ай бұрын

Sounds like your mom was a bully😂 ​@@delphoxhoopa7289

I also hated the season 5 situation where Marinette is laying depressed and her parents aren't even trying to talk to her

@Demonslayerfan1133

4 ай бұрын

Finally someone says that I thought it was just me

@CK-solutions

4 ай бұрын

Don't you remember, they tried to come into her room and she told them to go away? Marinette also mentioned that she didn't have time to play games with her dad. Then we later see him trying to remind her by popping his head through the attic door.

@Chlolivi

3 ай бұрын

pretty realistic, my parents didn't notice I was depressed until I told them after 6 years

Also, tom forced marinette to date cat noir despite the fact these two felt uncomfortable around each other. He got pissed and endangered paris just because CN doesn't love his daughter

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

4 ай бұрын

Honestly if I were Plagg. I would’ve threatened Tom. Because though it’s not mentioned. I’m pretty sure Plagg is like an older brother to Adrien considering how much he cares about him. That and Plagg has every right to cataclysm Tom!

@CK-solutions

4 ай бұрын

Or you could see it as him trying to support their relationship, because he loves his daughter.

@eca2009

4 ай бұрын

oh no it' definitely not that, while that might be part of t it's not an excuse to force kids to date each other depsite making them uncomfortable and then endanger a whole city because you got angry they didn't fall in love even tho you probaly knew it wouldn't work out@@CK-solutions

@CK-solutions

4 ай бұрын

@@eca2009 I perceive it differently though. There's a difference between forcing and indicating you're in favour of them dating. Tom is a devoted pastry chef, inviting Cat over for some delicious treats. Commenting that he wouldn't be against them dating. This is how Tom speaks to everyone. He doesn't mince his words and it often revolves around what he can cook for them, lol. This is a cultural thing too. Where France is obsessed with food, hospitality and being upfront if you like someone. The other person has to indicate they feel the same, in order for it to proceed. But it's not uncommon for there to be great ceremony in revealing romantic interest. Maybe that comes across as "forced" to more reserved cultures? But it's revered in France and why it's called the most romantic city in the world.

@eca2009

4 ай бұрын

@@CK-solutions i am Portuguese myself and, while I understand and respect France cultures and views on this, seeing that episode here in Portugal made it feel more like force then approving of them dating. I respect your opinions too btw! I am not trying to change them, this is my own view and opinion about this topic and scene

There is a good reason why Marinette from the "Miraculous World: Paris - Tales of Shadybug & Claw Noir" turned so easily into a villain in that universe. She had no support + the bullying she got from some of her classmates - Chloé, Kim, etc - still happened.

@abiutheartist

Ай бұрын

Exactly

Let’s all be reminded that Sabine is supposed to be inspired by Astruc’s ex-girlfriend, so if he was the one writing Sabines episodes, either she was really this oblivious or this is how Astruc viewed her. IDK.

@marocat4749

4 ай бұрын

And i like sabine, just the bad writing of marinette with the refusal of any criticism agnowledged, or flaws, within her show, makes her so neglicent.

@nevaehhamilton3493

4 ай бұрын

I dunno man... That's some real creepy shit right there.

@littlesongbird4566

4 ай бұрын

What is with this guy and inspiring almost every girl character off a girlfriend or ex he had? Like Marinette I get because the whole love square is inspired by his relationships with his girlfriend, but this is like the he third time I heard he based a girl character off of someone he used to be with. This is actually getting weird. Edit for spelling.

@madrat8060

4 ай бұрын

@@nevaehhamilton3493 I see what you mean, but this is the same guy who stated that he views Marinette as his "own daughter", so it's not so out of the ordinary for Astruc.

@nevaehhamilton3493

4 ай бұрын

@@madrat8060 I still think it's creepy. And the fact that he genuinely believes that being an obsessive stalker with a crush is an actual character trait makes it so much more insidious. Personally, I think the only way for a person to believe that being an obsessive stalker is a morally acceptable thing is if they were an obsessive stalker themselves. Plus, we can tell he's not at all over the break up with his ex-girlfriend.

Honestly yeah Marinette's parents are kind of neglectful and neglect is also a type of abuse. Like they do care about their kid but they're not really bothered about Marinette's life, where she is, what she's doing, and how she's feeling. That is abuse.

@janeznovak5159

4 ай бұрын

Stop crying like doing nothing is an abuse how ansurd

@user-oy6he1qs8b

4 ай бұрын

FR. Even Aunt May would call to check up on her nephew and ask him where he was whenever he missed curfew, not knowing he was Spiderman, obviously. Marinette's parents don't even question where she goes, and are just fine with her taking off on a whim.And it's not like they know she's a superhero. Like her parents know she has a phone, surely. You're telling me they haven't tried to call her during an akuma and not get concerned if she didn't pick up?! In Timetagger, wasn't she supposed to be watching the store and catering to an important client,and she wasn't? Ignoring the time travel thing, she should have been grounded.

@TheSoulCalledZuzia

4 ай бұрын

Literally the only episode where they are concerned is the one when they learn *from school* about Marinette's constant disappearances. Yeah.

@Kayla_Sandoval

4 ай бұрын

Fr like her parent never check up on her and stuff or worry when she is never in school. My mom litterly is the opposite of them. Which I'm actually ok with.

@riel4553

4 ай бұрын

Ad to that the times something goes BOOM in Marinette's room. They don't always check and visually confirm that she's ok.

On the issue with Lila manipulating Marinette's parents, I'll say it again: This would not have been an issue if Lila had magical charm powers, unknowingly, that made people believe any lie she tells, no matter how absurd it is, and only those holding Miraculous jewels are immune to her powers! That would have made everyone who's ever believed a lie she told much better in the eyes of the audience, especially Marinette's family for not demanding her to be disciplined!

@swiatalicji9544

4 ай бұрын

Yeah that is actually my theory. In my theory, Lila has this power, but if she says something that directly contradicts the truth that someone knows, it stops working on that person, and is less effective on permanent miraculous holders. That's why it doesn't work on Marinette

@littlebluecomet

4 ай бұрын

@TwilightWolf032 this is actually a wonderful theory that would add so much more to Lila's character and resolve the current frustrations of her being portrayed as being a convincing and sympathetic liar. Anytime Lila's on screen is a headache because the amount of characters that are broken and dumbed down JUST to bend the narrative to make her an actual impactful antagonist. Yeah her having a lying superpower would be absurd, but... it is a super hero show that already has magical elements all over. It would fit well into the universe and lore and make it so much more interesting! Fr the fandom should just rewrite this show, so many good ideas here

@liaheben

3 ай бұрын

I just have to think of in an adult believing in something call ball phobia. Dear 🤦‍♀

@Asexual_Individual

3 ай бұрын

It seems to be a stupid unwritten rule that non-Miraculous powers are restricted to the Specials and don't exist in the main show (with the Specials themselves being of questionable canonicity). The show has many problems, with things being restricted to Miraculous-only powers being among the smaller issues. The Miraculous were used to fight other villains and disasters in history, yet non of those types of forces show up to challenge the heroes in the show itself.

@TwilightWolf032

3 ай бұрын

@@Asexual_Individual Yeah, it would have been really cool to see other types of villains showing up from time to time to shake things up. But unfortunately, for Astruc status quo is god, so it must never be challenged.

"Maybe he based her off his childhood bully or something like that" yes, that's exactly what he did and Sabine is his ex girlfriend.

@miraculousfan2520

4 ай бұрын

The latter's true, but the former's been debunked multiple times. If people already believe that he hates Chloé, then why would he deny that?

@PancakeRights

4 ай бұрын

@@miraculousfan2520 sorry I don't understand what you're trying to say

@confettisquid

4 ай бұрын

@@PancakeRightsBasically Miraculousfan is saying that it’s true that Sabine is supposed to represent his ex, but that Chloe being Astruc’s childhood bully has been proven wrong a bunch I dunno which is actually true or not but that’s what they’re saying

@PancakeRights

4 ай бұрын

@@confettisquid ah but that's not the case Chloe is based off his childhood bully he said so himself

@sagrawolf

4 ай бұрын

@@PancakeRightsthat’s why he was pissed when he learn Chloe got a redemption arc and he had it reversed and gave her a worse fate of being abandoned by her father and forced to live with a mother who abandoned her whole family and will make Chloe’s life a living hell because the show creator wants to get back at someone who likely forgot about him years ago

I hate this show group hive mentality. Considering that it has been shown that other schools exist, i would have transfered Marinette.

@MomeleziSimamkeleMcunukelwa

2 ай бұрын

But do we even see other schools in this show

God, imagine IF Emile did came back, she would probably be so PISSED, or…I mean it’s hinted…she’s not that great either-

@abbysworld05

4 ай бұрын

Based on Adrien’s childhood I’m 100% positive that Emilie is just as abusive as Gabriel because Adrien was controlled with the twin rings his hold childhood and isolated him his hole childhood, they say they love him but it definitely doesn’t show it so I doubt they love him cuz they don’t show it based on his entire childhood it shows they are abusive towards Adrien, I think it’s possible she would be mad at Gabriel but she might also think it is sweet that he did all this to try to bring her back, heck I think she would take the butterfly miraculous to attempt to bring him back if she did come back, the part that’s canon is that Emilie abused Adrien too due to Adrien being insanely isolated and neglected even before Emilie died and being heavily hinted that Emilie controlled Adrien like a puppet his entire childhood up until she died just like Gabriel did to Adrien

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

4 ай бұрын

I don’t think Emilie was abusive. Flawed? Yes. But she clearly was the better parent. Especially considering those recordings in season 5.

@billykaplan9915

4 ай бұрын

​@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll thanks at first I did believed she wasn't that great but with the recordings I came to the conclusion that Adrien was their miracle he wasn't like other kids and she probably was fearful that anything could happened to him that's why without noticing she isolated him and maybe even controlling all unconsciously

@Dred0n

4 ай бұрын

​@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll I dont think so Adrien was homeschool all his life, couldn't make friends, force to do modeling all of this happen while Emily was still alive.

@akeelahbruce1821

4 ай бұрын

​@Dred0n he was friends with Chloe. I don't want to start a debate mind you. I'm not necessarily in the Fandom anymore so I'll just be listing past facts while you (who I'm assuming might’ve watched season 5) knows how badly Chloe character turned to be and would show why she isn't a good friend. The debate would get nowhere Also sorry for assuming if you watched season 5 or not, it was for me to get my point across

I mean, if the narrative doesn't acknowledge that parents like Gabriel and Audrey are terrible, you really expect them to acknowledge the faults of Marinette's parents?

@billykaplan9915

4 ай бұрын

The narrative does tell you they're terrible the problem is that it made Adrien forgave Gabriel even though he should have complicated feelings about his father

@starsiadraws

4 ай бұрын

@@billykaplan9915 The problem is the narrative literally tells you Gabe's sacrifice was enough to make up for all his abuse and the fact that Adrien not only forgave his father immediately after literally being imprisoned for days, but said "I want to live up to his legacy," and NEVER addresses how abusive Gabe was to his son. They only say that his villainy put people at serious risk and that Gabriel didn't care if someone else had to die for his selfish wishes.

@billykaplan9915

4 ай бұрын

@@starsiadraws I know Adrien forgiving all that abuse was what ruined for me

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

4 ай бұрын

@@billykaplan9915 Someone needs to tell Adrien the truth. My vote is for Plagg.

@billykaplan9915

4 ай бұрын

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll Lila will I'm sure of that that's why they made that decision

We can say that Marinette has many flaws.But her parents' abusive and neglecting behaviors should be responsible for some of them.

@eca2009

4 ай бұрын

fr especially her obsessive behaviour, think about it: if your parents ere THIS neglectful and you've been treated like crap by your classmates for years and then someone from your class is finally nice to you, genuinely nice wouldn't you become THAT attatched to them? (keep in mind all the problems that marinette had that came from this which you might've gotten too)

@Isabelle-qq2yu

3 ай бұрын

@@eca2009*cough cough* Helga Pataki *cough*

I remember watching this show as a 14 year old when it first came out and being jealous of how Marinette could just go out whenever she wanted. Didn't have to ask for permission when she went out or let her parents know who she was hanging out with, didn't have to be concerned about her parents checking on her in her room every now and again so she could be off for insane amounts of hours saving the world, didn't have parents that would be suspicious if her room was quiet for a bit because she's a generally loud child, so her absense should've been noticed. I wanted a life like that as a teenager. almost 8 years later and I now find her parents to be quite disturbing. Letting her out in the evening or at night as a girl without needing to know who she's with or what she's doing. Dismissing her problems when she's upset. Not noticing when their daughter is becoming depressed, and when they do, being mildly concerned and not actually doing anything about it. They dote on her, but have very little actual care for her physical or mental wellbeing it seems. And in real life, I've seen kids with these kinds of negligent but doting parents who end up going off the rails or getting into very terrible situations, all while their parents are mild of the problems. It's bizarre how the show writes them as if to be amazing parents for this.

@maellesaliou5871

4 ай бұрын

It's also bizarre how the show writes friendship. Marinette's classmates really aren't behaving like good friends everytime Lila is involved, yet Miraculous insist to present them as good friends to whom Marinette can always rely on. Yet just a few lies from Lila's mouth are enough for them to think badly of Marinette and believe the worst about her as we've seen it in Ladybug and Revelation, which could be the proof that Marinette's classmates actually don't share the same trust and faith in Marinette that she has for them. True friends aren't easilly led astray by somoene like Lila, yet had Sabrina not have a change of heart in confrontation, Lila's plan would have worked and Marinette relationships with her friends and school career would have been ruined, and no one would have given her the benefit of the doubt.

@CK-solutions

4 ай бұрын

Be careful comparing a different cultures to your own. This is Paris. I would do things in my Country (Australia) that I've had American friends shudder at. Not because I was neglected. It's because the lifestyle is different. Kids were encouraged to be outdoors, being active - and parents weren't going to follow them everywhere.

@TryinBin8889

4 ай бұрын

@@CK-solutions What a coincidence! I'm also Australian but had strict af parents. It's not a cultural thing persay, it's a parenting thing, and for many of us kids who have carefully curated TV and Miraculous was considered ok because they had moral lessons in the first season per episode, seeing someone like Marinette on TV warped and distorted what normality Should've looked like for me (ESPECIALLY because I live in a country with such a diverse and multicultural range of parents from super strict to lax like yours)

@CK-solutions

4 ай бұрын

@in8889 It's interesting and thanks for sharing your experience. I grew up in farming communities, so I wouldn't say it was lax. I know it is from your perspective. But we earned our relaxation and personal time, by earning your work in the community. The community knew you and looked out for you - and often sent their kids with you, lol. You were given the freedom if you demonstrated you were a hard worker. That's why I say, it wasn't really lax. 😉 But I understand why you would use that term.

@TryinBin8889

4 ай бұрын

@CK-solutions right. I was a city kid, like Marinette. Community isn't as much of a thing here since there's just so so many people, so it's quite different. There isn't really anyone looking out for you except your family and close friends. Crazy how vast and diverse Australia is!

Adoration in season 5 was the worst, when Marinette’s parents fully believe that their daughter stole all there things just because Chloe made it look bad. Just like she did before. Yet they believe her lies this time.

@CK-solutions

4 ай бұрын

Sorry, but when you see a bunch of physical items from several store owners, stowed inside your daughter's bag - you're going to be mortified that your daughter stole from them.

I agree this is poor parenting. This is just parents failing to be protective guardians over to their daughter at all cost like, and treating them as a thief when she told them she didn't do it etc.

I did some research into French schools and it’s very difficult to change classes. The students are put in a class that is at their level. The only way that a class change can happen is that all must agree. That means the parents, the teacher of the current class and the teacher of the new class and the head of the school

@JustAnotherPerson4U

4 ай бұрын

This thought occurred to me as well. That the reason Marinette cannot be seperated from Chloe or even go to a different school is due to the french state school system. Maybe she's too far to go to the second nearest school to where she lives so she cannot go there.

@CK-solutions

4 ай бұрын

Yes, different culture and different systems.

I remember watching miraculous and my mother being like “how tf did her parents never notice how inattentive are they”

The school drama is pretty accurate tho, the kids who have squeaky clean records that suddenly get in trouble once for something (even though it could’ve been a fabricated story) typically get the hammer dropped on them immediately while the kids who regularly act out barely get punished after each offence. Idk why, maybe the crime of messing up when you have a past of perfection is worse than routinely messing up in the eyes of authority but I’ve seen it happen in real life.

@chrisdiokno5600

4 ай бұрын

I think its cause like, its this sudden shift in behavior that makes them come down harder. IE this shock

@Radkeyboard7984

4 ай бұрын

Same

I actually just said something along the lines how Tom and Sabine, aren't the greatest parents. Compared to other parents in Miraculous Ladybug. They are the better of the bunch. But they still have quite a few faults. Such as, never sitting down with Marinette, and addressing that her crush on Adrien, is more stalker like, than an actual crush. They don't explain to her that all those pictures of him, her computer wallpaper, having his schedule, and the girls of her classes plans, is more stalker behavior, than an innocent crush. Also, as said. They know she's been tormented for 5 yrs +, by Chloe, and that Ms. Bustier, nor the Principle, does anything about it. I understand they aren't rich, nor probably well off. But considering their bakery is very popular, and usually has booming business, they at least, are able to live comfortably. Instead of letting Marinette continue to be tormented by Chloe, they couod have pulled Marinette out of that school, enrolled her in a different school, and get her a therapist, due to how traumatized Chloe made her. They could have gone to the schoolboard, and reported Bustier and Damocles for negligence, involving letting Chloe get away with her crap. They also did believe Lila, over Marinette, to a degree. They believed the "lying diease" lie, and before that, after little effort from Lila's lies and false accusations, they had actually believed the worst of Marinette, for a moment. They had actually believed that Marinette cheated on a test, pushed Lila down a flight of metal stairs, and stole Lila's necklace. And, again, regarding Chloe. They know she tormented Marinette for years, and yet, they haven't banned her from the bakery. And, as much time as they spend time with Marinette, and as much as they support Marinette. They let her take on too much. She's Ladybug (can't fault them for not knowing, as it was meant to be a secret), she's the class president, she's also taken on commissions before, she runs all over the place, babysitting Alya's little sisters, babysitting Nino's little brother, babysitting Manon, designing banners for Kim and Alix, designing costumes for Kitty Section, etc. I'm honestly surprised Marinette hasn't collapsed/been hospolized from being burned out. They don't get on Alya, for dumping Ella and Etta on Marinette. They don't get on Nino for dumping Chris on Marinette, or, well, for trying to. They don't get on Nadja, for not giving Marinette proper heads up, and just dump Manon on Marinette. I can understand the Marinette is old enough to babysit. But, she's also still very busy. Nadja seems to have Marinette as her go to babysitter/emergency last second, babysitter. And that isn't okay, because Marinette has school to worry about. Homework, school projects, afterschool things, studying for tests, class president meetings, etc. She doesn't have time to deal with Nadja having her be Manon's go to/emergency babysitter. But, again, Tom and Sabine say nothing about it.

as a victim of childhood bullying, this is painfully accurate. some parents would rather sit and make their kid smile through it because “it’ll end eventually” instead of actually take action against bullying

Not only is this bad parenting, but unfortunately, this is realistic parenting. There are a lot of parents who would do nothing when it comes to bullying. I was one of the lucky ones who finally put a stop to it after years of it but it took me a lot of courage to tell my parents what was going on. Once that was done, my parents were REALLY close to suing my elementary, middle, and almost my high school (They were part of a chain). Luckily thanks to that, all three have shaped up, and I'm not afraid of talking to my parents anymore. But like I said I was one of the lucky ones. Not a lot of kids would talk to their parents about bullying because they're scared they won't do anything. Never be afraid to talk to your parents and if you need extra help, talk to your grandparents. From my experience, grandparents are just as scary as parents are when it comes to bullies, only they come out for blood.

@chrisdiokno5600

4 ай бұрын

Or they'd advise their child to tell the teacher or the like

@NAVEMAN3

4 ай бұрын

@@chrisdiokno5600 Sometimes teachers won't help. Nowadays Elementary would act, but middle and high schools still turn a blind eye.

@chrisdiokno5600

4 ай бұрын

True, true@@NAVEMAN3

@Eli-tq2xe

4 ай бұрын

​@@NAVEMAN3 I remember in elementary school that I used to keep saying to both my parents and teachers that I was bullied, since I was always told to speak to adults in my life about it My parents did try to stop it, but my teachers and my school did close to nothing I remember complaining to an helping teacher and she said "we tried to talk to the bullies' parents" It's a combination of parents not caring and the school not punishing this kind of behavior, usually I was the one punished for retaliating or even just staying quiet and alone

@katarzynamedynska1682

4 ай бұрын

​@@Eli-tq2xe I'm sorry to hear that you had to go through such awful experience.

I feel like out of all the people who should secretly know about Marinette being Ladybug, it should be her mom. The whole, "moms literally know everything" trope and when it comes to superheroes, it's always the mom who secretly knew all along. And yet I also have little faith in the writers.

Even if astrec just really hates Chloe wouldn’t a redemption be best with her saying sorry to mari and then mari can be all like “I’m not ready to forgive you” and whatnot

@nevaehhamilton3493

4 ай бұрын

Not everyone has the capacity or ability forgive, especially if what hurt them traumatized them to the point it affects their mindset. Speaking from experience.

@IllusionQueen4Eva

4 ай бұрын

Same here. I'm incapable of forgiving. But I wouldn't make one of my characters based off of my bully and then treat the character like crap, especially when it's a show known worldwide.

@starsiadraws

4 ай бұрын

@@nevaehhamilton3493 But Chloe DOES have the capacity to change. We've seen it multiple times. Also, she's a child. People change as they get older and learn and heal. I used to be really (unknowingly) toxic as a friend when i was Chloe's age, but I've changed a lot as I've learned more empathy and as I've started my trauma-healing process.

@Kh79797

4 ай бұрын

@@starsiadrawsThe commenter you replied to wasn’t talking about Chloe’s capacity for change. They were commenting on how it’s a fine progression if Marinette can’t forgive her

@Saltedroastedcaramel

4 ай бұрын

​@@starsiadraws That's not true for everyone. However, Chloe did have a window for change.

the most frustrating thing of all is how easily everyone believes lila basically ANYTHING like- at my school you have to bring a note from the doctor saying that you have a condition and cant do this or that excersise in PE, otherwise they dont believe you how come that lila just says she has something and noone has no proof its true shouldnt they at least confirm it with a parent if not a doctor?

@liaheben

4 ай бұрын

ball-fobia.

@eca2009

4 ай бұрын

in my school you either have to give a specific teacher who's in charge of most things like notes, family reunions, etc either a special note from the hospital you're from telling them you didn't go because of this and that or that same note you just said, i can't believe those people are THAT dumb

Again... does child protection not exist in this universe? Or any kind of anything adjacent to that?

@SodaCider641

4 ай бұрын

That’s a question you can also ask sbout The Proud Family.

Side note: I’ve noticed that Marinette is like Tom and Ladybug is like Sabine.

@littlebluecomet

4 ай бұрын

That's such an interesting observation, I totally see that too now that you mention it!

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

4 ай бұрын

I actually think it’s the other way around.

In the episode where Zoe reveals she has a crush on Marinette (forgot what it’s called) Marinette’s parents seriously believe Chloe when she’s accusing her of stealing a bunch of stuff…including their own doilies that she very well could just have asked for if she did steal them

They’re nice people but they’re definitely not good parents 😅

Honestly… it OBVIOUSLY doesn’t make marionettes creepy behaviour good at all, but like Chloe’s torment to her and then Kim, and then Adrien shows up, being an ACTUAL nice person and knows Chloe? No wonder she fell for him-, but STILL

@iamcat1797

4 ай бұрын

I agree I feel like people can be to hard on Marinette sometimes they get mad at her when she didn’t do anything wrong.

@watermelon3266

4 ай бұрын

@@iamcat1797 even without that backstory with kim it makes sense that mari stalks adrien, he’s a boy she likes cuz he was nice, but he’s also childhood friends with the person who bullied her for years, so there’s probably some subconscious part of her that is stalking him to make sure he’s who she thinks he is and not someone like Chloe. This actually makes more sense than the whole kim’s backstory too bc she liked luca, but didn’t stalk him, n she liked chat noir and didn’t stalk him either

@iamcat1797

4 ай бұрын

@@watermelon3266 I know right. I swear some people just like to hate on main characters for no reason.

@billykaplan9915

4 ай бұрын

​@@iamcat1797I really don't want to hate on her I even defend her sometimes but the fact that they romantice stalking and the fact that no matter what weird thing Marinette do to Adrien she'll be the good guy just bothers me

@iamcat1797

4 ай бұрын

@@billykaplan9915 true but you could argue that Adrien harasses her many times and he’s still a good guy.

The parents are pretty neglectful & neglect is a type of abuse

Just imagine one new kid in the school (who joins in the origins episode) who calls out everyone’s bs, OR Alix is her canon self ALOT more, no wonder she’s bunnix 😭, how much in canon would change tho?

@hayleymcgough8567

4 ай бұрын

that sounds like a awesome fanfic idea

@staydetermined6717

4 ай бұрын

@@hayleymcgough8567 Oh? The new kid or Alix being her canon self more? But for the new kid, it would be interesting if they got a miraculous as well… maybe they’re a descendent of a holder? Well why not a polar bear it’s hella ironic…considering their polar opposite to everyone’s stupidity ;)

In Miraculous Ladybug all parents and adults are horrible and incompetent characters. Just because Sabine and Tom are kind and supportive to Marinette that still doesn’t excuse them for not believing in their own daughter against Lila, Chloé, and Mayor Andre. Yes Tom had one scene where he stood up to Mayor Andre in Robo Roger or Robo Cop episode. However, the later episodes still shows him being incompetent and believing in Laila's lies.

@hunterrousseau3770

4 ай бұрын

And Alix's dad what about him. I mean, I know there's that time he announced her identity to the class before and had no idea how bad Cerise currently is before she was expelled from the school before. But still, knowing that choosing her as Bunnix must mean something special right?

@movies798

4 ай бұрын

@hunterrousseau3770 Holy shit I totally forgot that Alix's dad revealed the entire classroom that she's Bunnix. Definitely not a smart move. But then again, the whole secret identity was complete bullshit since Season 4.

@hunterrousseau3770

4 ай бұрын

@@movies798 Maybe so we'll just have to wait for a video about him on this channel here, right?

@movies798

4 ай бұрын

@@hunterrousseau3770 That I don't know.

@hunterrousseau3770

4 ай бұрын

@@movies798 Give it time

Another show with bad parenting as its trademark (looking at you, too, Proud Family). If a show has bad writing, gives the characters chronic problems such as bullying and bad parenting, and doesn’t solve said problems, then it’s a huge alarm bell to cancel the show and put the writers into therapy. Negligence isn’t the only problem parents in Miraculous have, it’s the lack of discipline. Nino has a spoiled younger brother who gets angry when he doesn’t get what he wants. As a result, he gets akumatized in the future. Not to mention Alya’s younger twin sisters. Back to Nino’s brother, I think his parents don’t discipline him and only give in to his demands. Nino is probably aware of this. Either he doesn’t give a flip about his brother’s behavior or he’s secretly fed up with it. If I had a younger sibling who acted very spoiled and was undisciplined, I would definitely be done with their BS. Undisciplined children aren’t only putting their families in danger but themselves and the world around them. They’re very vulnerable to akumatization. This POS of a show should be cancelled already because it’s not getting any better.

I'm totally on board with you ! Even parents who deeply love their children and support them can fail as parents if they're being negligent and stupid to the point of being manipulated into thinking badly of their own kids. No matter how loving and good to Marinette Sabine and Tom are, they are incompetent as parents. Something that infuriated me is that Sabine let Lila hug her and call her a second mother just after Lila made passive-agressive comments about Marinette, clearly showing that Marinette's dislike of Lila is not one-sided if Lila can have also express a negative opinion about Marinette. And while Sabine "tries" to defend Marinette in that scene, she barely react to the fact that a girl who almost got her daugther expelled is also saying negative things about her. Such behavior from a mother is negligent and very hurtfull toward thei child. For parents to allow somoene they barely know to influence their opinion about their own child is sickening. Had somoene like Lila walked into our lives, my paents would have noticed the alarming signs and had wanted nothing to do with her, had I been bullied by somoene like Chloé to the extent of how Marinette was, daugther of mayor or not, my parents would have done the maximul to get me away from my bully. If things keep going like this with Sabine and Tom in Miraculous, it's just a matter of time before Marinette's parents fail her in the worst way possible in season 6 and 7, and I deeply hope that the show won't try to excuse their behavior and brush it of.

It really makes me wonder who hurt Thomas Astruck to make him this cynical. Like... At this point it feels like Astruck is venting some form of trauma when writing this show, what with all the terrible parental figures, all the Chloe hate, and everything. Surely it can't be a coincidence right? :/

@maellesaliou5871

4 ай бұрын

Terrible parental figures, An evil to the core bully and not very faithfull nor reliable friends. Yep it seems like either Astruc or the other people in the writting team didn't have the best experiences when they were teenagers.

As yes that one season 3 episode, where lady justice AKA marionettes akuma form was born, I’m convinced ALIX HELL ROSE, would of stuck up for marinette, IF THEY ACTED LIKE THEIR CANON SELVES AUGHHH

@billykaplan9915

4 ай бұрын

I hate how idiotic everyone is when it comes to Lila and none was actually doubtful Marinette remind me a lot of those characters that do everything for everyone just to be backstabbed at the first opportunity her friends are terrible

@staydetermined6717

4 ай бұрын

@@billykaplan9915 And what’s even worse, it’s not even in their damn character to do this-

@billykaplan9915

4 ай бұрын

@@staydetermined6717 At least Alya should trust her unconditionally and yet she did believed Lila

@staydetermined6717

4 ай бұрын

@@billykaplan9915 Because the plot demanded it duh

@billykaplan9915

4 ай бұрын

@@staydetermined6717 yes but having Alya stood for her would have been a way better episode than seeing chat noir be a idiot

They don't help Marinette with her bullying problem. Not even believing Marinette in ladybug. Like what. Then Weredad. Tom wanting to control his daughter's love life and not even listening to her? Jeez. Atleast Sabine was listening.

Not to mention Marinette’s possessive attitude comes from her mother. Sabine in Derision: Now go to the pool to see your Adrien. Marinette in Volpina to Alya about Lila: Who is that girl? And what is she doing next to the love of my life?! This can’t be a fricken coincidence! And then you have Tom who is abusive towards Cat Noir and short tempered towards him as well. Who else is short tempered and abusive towards Cat Noir? Marinette aka ladybug! So if Marinette was raised by better parents say adopted by a healthy pair of parents? Would she be a better person and actually grow as a character? There’s a thought!

@nevaehhamilton3493

4 ай бұрын

Yikes for me, yo.

@clarisacalderon9555

4 ай бұрын

I mean her parenst are genuinely good people though? they clearly love their daughter and spend time with her. they take time to play videogames tookgether and they bake snacks for mari to give to her friends at times and weill give in when mari wants to do something like when she wanted to help cater at the movie premier even when they worried about how she's react around adrien. they set up surprise birthday parties that she knew would happe becuase she knows them well and that they are bad at lying. and they support her crushs on people because they want her happy. and they let her friends come to hang out and help support her deisign hobbies. and they try not to pressure her into things often like they wante dto wait til she showed interest to take her to hong kong where they had been saving up for the trip since she was born. and they hid the grandpa from her because the grandpa was clearly rascist and they didnt want o risk her getting hurt by the grandpa. like Yes Tom was upset at chat before...but that was becuase he thought chat broke marinette's heart afetr she hammed it up/put on a act. we saw he and sabine respected ladybug and chat noir as heros long before that and tried to wingman marinette by inviting chat noir when tom hear mari confess to chat. and they showed concern when mari had homework issues which showed they were paying attention to her. and yes they fumbled a bit ith the lila situation but the school was who contacted them with 'evidence' and they said they believe mari but mari HAS acted odd since becoming ladybug. it makes sense they wouldn't know exactly what to do and fumble it a bit. and chloe bullies the entire class so its kindof hard to handle that situation entirely when the mayour has so much influence over that...and mari probably hid the worst of it from her parents. they definitly mess up on handling things....but saying their full on bad parents is a stretch when its clear they love their daughter.

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

3 ай бұрын

@@clarisacalderon9555 Yeah. No.

So apparently bad parenting is anoter trademark of the show, huh?

@SodaCider641

4 ай бұрын

*cough, cough* Proud Family 😷

@Kakuyawolf3456

4 ай бұрын

Wasn't it always?

I can easily relate to the problem of her parents putting to much pressure on her when theys a problem at school that makes them look bad instead of helping and concern no it's always straight to punishment

The parents here generally range from toxic to "generic nice parent who just gives platitudes," so they're written just as poorly as their kids.

About the bullying part specifically about the not switching classes part, I was bullied a lot on the bus and every year my parents got her switched to the front of the bus but the start of the year she’s back to either be in front of me or behind me cuz she had the exact same last name as me and lived 3 houses down from me,so it’s very hard for parents to change classes most likely but I did think it was odd of how Sabine likes Lila, like even if she had a condition (which she doesn’t) she still would be hated cuz just cuz you have a condition it doesn’t give you the right or ability to be a jerk just because,sure you might get sympathy from some people but I don’t think parents should give any sympathy to Lila cuz she tried ruining Marinette’s hole life, especially since she lied also about having a condition she doesn’t have and another thing, I can’t believe that they have no idea about what Kim did to Marinette, like do they actually have no idea cuz it’s a repressed memory, they still should’ve known since they would most likely ask of Socqueline got expelled from school and parents would definitely ask how the pool went especially if it’s with someone they like, speaking of Derision, I don’t understand why they completely forgive Kim, they are better than me and I forgive easily but what Kim says about what he doesn’t think and stuff sounds fake and treating him as if he doesn’t understand what he’s doing, sure they are all kids still but even young kids understand so what Kim said rubbed me the wrong way and I don’t buy his apology and it sounds fake cuz this prank was planned so he definitely knew, and tbh this can’t even be called a prank cuz an actual prank isn’t cruel to the point of trauma, it’s just straight up cruel, I think most of the things Sabine and Tom don’t know like in the Shadybug and Claw Noir special is mostly plot amor so they don’t find out their secret identity, they are good parents, I would say the best parents in the show even with the bullying cuz there’s not a hole lot the school can do

Given that it's THIS show, I'd chalk it up to just bad writing. But I do kind of wonder if maybe it's a culture barrier. Like, maybe in France, it's more normal for parents to be less involved? Idk

Immediately thought of Dora the Explorer's parents and how my grandparents used to make fun of the show cause they literally were so absent in the show 💀💀💀

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

4 ай бұрын

Ah hell no! Dora’s parents were actually very good parents. Marinette’s parents excuse my language! Fucking suck!

I recently made a Miraculous Ladybug AU. Haven't fully developed it but I make up scenes in my head. One of them is Marinette's parents having a talk that Marinette has lately being going missing more lately and skipping classes and wondering if they should worry or she's just trying to be a teen(end up worrying tho)- Also they're against Marinette's obsession with Adrien(everyone is, even alya, but i stopped it in around in season 2)

I never even tought about how they could be bad parents until this video but it makes so much sense.

Bob Roth is also horrible cause he called XY talentless

@starsiadraws

4 ай бұрын

I keep forgetting that XY is supposed to be Bob Roth's son 💀

@GoingDoing-bo5kk

4 ай бұрын

@@starsiadraws I mean fair enough like only like 47% of Bob Roth scenes are with his son

But to be fair in Cat Blanc, when Gabriel told Marinette to stay away from Adrien, her parents sided with Marinette and told Gabriel to back off and leave her and Adrien alone, banning Nathalie from the cafe.

I remember in the 8th grade i got bullied so bad by one girl, it got to the point i went crying and terrified to my mum about it and she immediately reported it to the school, i had teachers and the principal making sure i got to my class ok and that i was fine mentally 🥹 my mum was rlly stern about the situation when she talked to my school about it but without coming off as a raging parent (still valid even if they do rage tho) she even talked to the girls mum herself to double down 😭

My theory of why Marinette keeps getting put in the same class as Chloe is because Chloe asks the school to. We know the influence Chloe has over the faculty because of her father's position and she enjoys taunting Marinette.

The special as fun but thee was an EXPLOSION! and later broken glass! and they still didn't go and LOOK XD

THANK YOU The show and the fandom are so fucking delusional about Marinette’s parents that I feel like I’m being gaslighted every time I see people describing them as such great parents like whaaaaaaaat

If there is anyone who is a good parent in this show it is most likely Fred Haprèle or Malena Cesare. The former is someone who truly cares for their daughter and was modest enough to feel as if they were letting them down (it wasn’t his fault though) and according to Derision was the only parent there to look after his daughter after Mylène said that her parents got divorced and her mother left her (I’m curious to know if this will be brought up). Malena doesn’t have much screen time but she is shown to be a committed parent and mother even though she is the head chef at the hotel.

The way you described Sabine reminds me of my mom. She always wants to see the good to in everyone, to the point, she excuses bad behavior. Whenever I complain about people or even my dad being mean to me, she'll respond something like, "Oh maybe they had a bad day." It's just so invalidating and I never feel she takes my side in anything.

I totally agree, and I love the way you're diplomatic and I love that there's no hate towards anyone, even the villains. The video was entertaining and not boring, and everything was on point imo. Like I totally agree with everything. The only thing I'd mention is that the scenes playing on the video often don't fit, and that did become a bit distracting, but other than that, it was really good quality. Also, I love your accent!

Here's the thing: Did Marinette EVER say what Chloe was bullying her?

@TheSoulCalledZuzia

4 ай бұрын

She *strongly* implied it in one of the episodes, so I'm pretty sure they know.

@clarisacalderon9555

4 ай бұрын

I think the issue is chloe bullied everyone in the class and if the mayr does stuff to influence the school there is not telling what might happen if mari asked for real change and got her parents invokved when the school adults didnt do much. though in defense of the parents throughout the show chloe has been kept in line and not winning and chloe being to the level she was in the kim episode felt like a bit of a retcon. I could see mari hiding how bad it was because to hr its obvous how bd it was...not realizing she hadnt actually told it to her parents enough.

Something I notice when I rewatch the show is when the christmas special comes on. The thing about this episode is again Chloe is so awful to Marinette and she comes home venting and complaining about this idiot bully who RUINS MARINETTE’S LIFE and then Chloe comes in for a pastry and Sabine is like “Marinette it’s Christmas.” LIKE YEAH CHRISTMAS OR NOT SHES STILL AWFUL TO YOUR DAUGHTER! YOU KNOW HOW MUCH SHES PUT HER THROUGH AND YOURE ASKING HER TO SAY SOMETHING TO CHLOE THAT SHE DOESNT DESERVE TO HEAR. It makes me so mad 😭

Huh, fair and valid points and opinions, there seems to be a lot of sloppy writing in this Show, i wonder how likely it is for things to pick up in the future?

This actually explains her obsessiveness with people ( *cough cough* Adrian *cough cough* ). Like imagine having neglectful parents who barely acknowledge you. And classmates who treat you so badly (it's outright bullying). You'll crave attention. You want people to notice you. To be nicer to you. To be better people. And when you finally meet someone like that or become friends with someone like that (Adrian, Alya, Niño), you will be more around. You want to be around them. Sure, she doens't have an obsession with Alya or Niño, she has one with Adrian.

Tom is Thomas Astruc and Sabine is based off of his ex-girlfriend

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

4 ай бұрын

Ewwww! That’s disgusting! 🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

4 ай бұрын

Ewwww! That’s disgusting! 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

4 ай бұрын

Ewww! That’s disgusting! 🤢🤮🤮🤮

and in that one scene where she's crying in her bedroom and instead of going in and comforting her they let her CRUSH in

I don't know.... if I were a teenager with superpowers and wanted to do vigilante work, or work with the cops, I think I would have discussed the issue with my parents. To their credit, they were very proactive about dealing with the bullying I dealt with, while at the same time willing to call me out for misbehavior. Mom knew when I was telling the truth and lying (apparently my ears go red and I giggle when I lie.), so I didn't often lie to them. I'd be found out anyway. So, I'd probably just tell them how things were and what I wanted to do. With the added perk that it would have been an additional nudge to get them to let me be homeschooled. There was just a level of confidence I had in them that I felt like I could allow them into situations many other teenagers would hide from their adults. So, I would never have tried to do the "secret double life" bit as a highschooler. Far better to do the hero work while being homeschooled...

wow, I thought I was just thinking too hard about it, but guess I wasn't. I'm glad you noticed it too. I feel like Mari's parents were similar to Adrien's dad and sometimes even worst. At least Adrian's dad makes Natelie fix things with Adrian. Mari's parents never talk to her about anything, and they never address issues unless the issues are hitting them in the face. And when they do address the issues, they address them in one of the worst possible ways. I don't know why their considered supportive and good parents why they shipped the poor girl with chat Noir without giving her anytime to explain; When they ground her whenever she isn't perfect; when they are hardly around; when all they do is make her work while making sure she is perfect and all they do for her is by keeping the face of "supportive parents" and giving her basic necessities. I personally feel like tom's mom is a better adult supportive figure for Marinette than anyone else who is related to her.

You ate as always

@TheSoulCalledZuzia

4 ай бұрын

Everyone eats, do they not?

@SodaCider641

4 ай бұрын

Miraculous fans write better stories than the official writers themselves. Plus, they’re better observers and analysts.

to be fair alya also believed mari was innocent. and her parents said they believe mari...the issue is the parents don't quite hknow what to say because the school system didn't believe mari. what I thought was fascinating is even if mari did have people who believed her.....mari's issue is they didn't immediately think lila was fully bad or at least thought they needed to get evidence. Mari KNOWS she is right about lila so she is understandably upset but she also struggles to see its not a 'if your not with me your against me' situation. the people ARE on her side but mari pushes them away more if they don't hop on her train completely...even though lila was clever in that lila had never done anything like this til now and praised mari at other times when others weren't around and always acted like she wasnt against mari even infront of mari. I actually though it was kindof clever that since there might be stuff mari is hiding from them since she IS ladybug and that has gotten in the way of her school and has her acting weird before...that its not completely unreasonable for her family to feel something is off...especially when the school has 'evidence'..like they did believe mari...but due to that slight doubt..the doubt is what mari picked up....which actually made mari angrier and more upset and less able to tell her side of the story properly. What pissed me off was more that once lila admitted to lying that her parents didnt want to meet her parents to make sre this didn't happen again...or at least get upset at the school for moving too fast on this 'evidence' when mari was entirely innocent at least. even if they didn;t get mad at Lila.....technically lila DID come forward about lying and mari actually was gong to give a genuine olive branch to lila and mean it after lila got her back in....so her parents being understanding wasn't that outside the realm of possibility...but they SHOULD have at least gotten mad at the school who didn;t look into it properly. Though I did think the episode was a good example of how lila uses a weakness against mari...because mari KNOWS she is right...but mari also has info other people don't have...as long as lila makes mari feel alone or not properly heard even if mari clearly has people on her side....mari will push those people away on her own instead of trying to meet them halway and get them the info they would need. like....WE know mari is right so e understandably see everyone else as unreasonable....but mari HAS jumped to conclusions about people and especially alya where alya tured out to be wrong before...so alya feeling like they need to gather evidence isn't that strange. and makes ense when lila has been clear in never doing something like this before.

Honestly, if anything they are also responsible for their own daughter's stalker behavior and any plans to woe Adrien even after before they even became a couple yet that made it hard for her to talk to him before then and worst decisions she's ever like her little outburst toward Cerise/Chrysalis that made her enemies with her to begin with at the park bench that day and the whole "Cat Blanc" alternate timeline future that makes them just about as anybody else like Marinette, Adrien, Alya, Gabriel, or Natalie before then which means Chrysalis should also be blaming them also for how their version of their daughter turned out young in that respective universe compared to the movie version that is

As someone who skipped school to escape a bully and my parents weren't even informed I was skipping, this feels extremely wrong of Marinette's parents to react this way. I have no idea how my parents would have reacted, since they had no clue at all, but they would've been better than this.

0:34 As for the teachers and Lila (idk spelling), actually that feels entirely realistic. I was always a pretty good student, rarely missed days because I preferred being at school to being at home with my mother... didn't talk much in class, did my work, you know. This one girl decided she hated me and would make up the most blatant lies, and the teachers would just believe her. Lets call her Mck. To illustrate, one day I was held in class during recess as punishment (due to Mck lying about me the day prior) and she told the principal that I pushed her off the playground equipment during recess, and she fell from the top (which is about a 7 ft drop mind you) This girl had no injuries, no bruise, no one saw her fall, and most importantly I was in a classroom with a teacher for the ENTIRE recess, I didn't even go to the bathroom.... And I was STILL punished and threatened with suspension/expulsion. Mck had 2 other girls she'd lie about but I was her main target. School faculty really ARE that inept. Or rather, they intentionally turn a blind eye to bullying so they don't have to do their jobs.

Loved watching thwt vvideo while playing the riff of bsd to the bone at a acoustic guitar

Nice video😊

4:55 he was ready to throw hands

Why the Hell does Thomas Astruc still get work?

I genuinely hate how they write chloe and lila..mainly because it’s SO unrealistic! A mayor cannot abuse power like this..chloe should NOT have this much power! And every episode lika is featured the characters just become idiots with them somehow not knowing she’s a liar and every lie she says it gets even worse as it gets more and more unbelievable! I mean..Alya is all about reporting the truth and she just instantly believed lila was bffs with ladybug with no proof and even POSTED the interview?! Every episode featuring these 2 makes every other character worse just to make these 2 actually work in their unbelievable roles.. And don’t get me started on them NOT immediately calling an ambulance when SOMEONE FELL DOWN THE STAIRS like?! Lika didn’t actually but they conveniently made the characters too stupid to call for medical help (which would prove she lied..why did NO ONE think to get medical help to prove she was pushed??) and instead they brought her back up the stairs to talk and expel marinette. And they all had the gall to cry that marinette had no proof 😭 LIKE WHERE IS THE AMBULANCE 🚑?!

Ya, Alya, believing her is annoying but I will let slide but her parents of all people. I understand it's a fictional world but come on. Now that I think about, shadybug might have had the better life. At least her mother was honest.

I know a kid whose bullying got so bad that the parents were in the process of changing schools, but on one of the last days at the original school the bullying got to a point where the kid ended up in a psych ward for 2 weeks. I can not understand how you wouldn't consider moving your kids unless you are more concerned about your income.

Don’t forget to do your Season 1 retrospective reviews for Origins

If Chloe was bullying her for 2 years, why on earth would her parents keep her there? Like when I got bullied in school I got moved.

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

4 ай бұрын

Well it depends how bad the bullying is. For some bullies. They can mature and change for the better. For others it gets so bad. You have to get the principal. It just depends on how bad or not it is.

@d4red3v1l8

4 ай бұрын

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll But she’s been bullying Marinette for like 2-3 years and hasn’t changed, she’s only been redeemed a couple of times but that’s it. The teachers seem pretty useless because they’re too scared to get Chloe in trouble so the best thing to do is move her.

@josratubangura

4 ай бұрын

@@d4red3v1l8thank you

I am still wondering,how many moms does Lila have??

@hunterrousseau3770

4 ай бұрын

Don't worry I'm sure her past will be explained when they make her and Argos the main anti-heroic antagonists of the show after Gabe and give them the screen time like "Infinity War" did with Thanos before giving it back to the Avengers again in "Endgame"

@redpanda7914

4 ай бұрын

@@hunterrousseau3770 I hope so,I keep on trying to wrap my mind around how many moms she has

Didn't her parents basically go "oh the girls are getting along so well~"

Also, are they no damn cameras in that god forsaken school!?

i may not like marinette that much, but i feel bad for her. you’d expect her PARENTS at least to be on her side, but no, they’re with lila.

I agree

one think that I never understood, is why is Marinette surprised she's in class with Chloe every year? Isn't that how it normally is in shool?

@SodaCider641

4 ай бұрын

No, it should be no surprise that a certain classmate is in class with every year sometimes. It would make sense if Chloe wasn’t in class with Marinette every year or it was her first time in the same class with Chloe.

Lila's parent problem is strange

@hunterrousseau3770

4 ай бұрын

I'm sure her past will be explored more when they make her and Felix the main anti-heroic antagonists of the show now and give them more screentime than Ladybug and Cat Noir since "Avengers: Infinity War" made Thanos the focus over the Avengers and the other heroes apparently so but that's just what I would do though how bout you?

I’ve being saying this omg

@Zestyflop690

4 ай бұрын

Fr you knew from da beginning

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

4 ай бұрын

OMG! Hello Felix can’t fathom!

They don't really love Marinette if they keep showing more love and leniency to her bullies They do what they do to Marinette to make themselves feel better

If my mom heard that I'm bullied she'd change my school or sue the kid's parents

I just wonder how they made marinette like wouldn't that hurt

@NaomiJefferson-jf2nv

4 ай бұрын

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@cheyennecedeno6867

4 ай бұрын

I'd think that be the same question for the Incredibles. 😅😸 Everyone have a blessed Saturday February 17, 2024 at 9:13AM. 🔥🌸🔥🌸

Id like episodes about them more.

Tbf, all of the Akuma attacks seem to be during the day, so Sabine and Tom are probably busy working so why would they know that she's missing? The thing that really concerns me though is them not saying anything about Adrian. Like I'm fairly certain that Marinette has spoken to her parents about Adrian quite a number of times, so chances are they probably know how obsessed she is with him. So why aren't they doing anything about it? Like are you honestly telling me that they haven't stumbled upon the box of presents Marinette has addressed to Adrian, the giant planner she has of his schedule, and just the abundance of photos of him on her wall? I feel like any half-decent parent would sit their daughter down and have a conversation about it if they saw those. Also on that note, I feel like having that kind of obsession towards someone has to at least be influenced a little bit by how you were raised and your parent's relationship with eachother. In which case I have a lot of questions about Tom and Sabine.

The whole thing makes sense for so many reasons, I’d be surprised to make a book about this whole franchise.

You know i never thought about it but yea they really struggle with being parents

tbh her parents remind me of a better version of my mom. always seemin carin and such until it hurts THEIR image the world might have about them

Mr door: So sad Alan Wake: But truth

2:29 yes he did

Does Miraculous have any good parents? Maybe Anarka?