"Every time the no case raises one of it's arguments, if you start pulling it apart you get down to base racism."... I mean, she said it. And then when she got in trouble she tried a back peddle... But, I think she meant what she said, right?

They didn't even discuss Marcia Langton's comments. Just the idea of how no voters will use them.

@jemshadow123

10 ай бұрын

Thats exactly what Marcia's comments were...the ideas that are coming from the No campaign are based on racism...not the people..the ideas..if you can't see that the campaign is pushing against Indigenous Australians getting any voice as not racist I don't understand what these sheep think the whole "Don't know, say no" campaign is actually about...its leaving things as they are...

@Bennie32831

10 ай бұрын

It's a sign of problems in the argument 😂😂😂

Can linda Burney actually answer a question without reading some tripe that has been written for her by someone else.

What a disgraceful, biased interview. Where is the balance here. Oh yes of course it’s the ABC.

Can we get someone from Crikey or The Guardian on as well please. One sided, yes, biased arguments from a single source are not enough. Each time the yes side accuses the no side of misinformation or manipulation it highlights the lack of compelling arguments they can make to vote yes.

Marcia Langton has been shown a few times now calling no supporters racist, she can try to back peddle all she wants but she made the remarks and has done it on video.

@AdamSandaver

10 ай бұрын

She's right though.

@Polleej

10 ай бұрын

Be fair, she didn't call No voters racist or stupid, she just said their arguments were based in racism and stupidity, or something-not the same thing at all!😃😀😁

@knight2425

10 ай бұрын

@@Polleej and there are many videos of her in the past calling the No supporters racist, try and sugar coat it all you want but she has shown her true colours over and over again

@waffle_burger8499

10 ай бұрын

​@@PolleejTechnically you're correct (even though in another video she calls just about everyone a racist), but the damage has been done. She never should have used the words "No Campaign" and "racist" in the same sentence, it was incredibly stupid of her to do so, and the backlash will be severe.

@AdamSandaver

10 ай бұрын

@@knight2425 looking after the First nations people and giving them a voice into their own affairs is about the least racist thing anyone on this planet could do. The No voters are the ones dividing the nation. Why would anyone dent them their own voice when they have been here 60,000 years compared to whites at 250? Just mind boggling how anyone voting Yes would ever be called a racist, its ridiculous beyond words.

I still have no idea how this voice will close the gap and pull indigenous people out of poverty

@netwarrior1000

10 ай бұрын

And it can't be guaranteed to work. So we're asked to effectively sign a blank cheque to enshrine an experiment into the Constitution, basically something that won't be reversible, and it will likely be no more effective than a plethora of attempts before now to remedy aboriginal issues, those already at a cost of tens of billions of taxpayer dollars? That's a hard no from me. Then add in the expected consequences of the yes vote winning - implementation of the rest of the Uluru Statement including treaty (which will undoubtedly include reparations) and (no doubt one-sided) truth-telling. We won't get a second or third referendum to vote on treaty and truth, so while the question is indeed focused on the Voice, it is in effect a vote on the full Uluru Statement (not just the 1 page 'executive summary') for voting without considering all the consequences of that vote, the outcomes, is foolish.

The Australian Parliament’s behaviour code of conduct is deplorable.

@brennorris7061

10 ай бұрын

There is a presumption of confidence which is neither reasonable nor sensible. I'm voting yes because I have faith first nation people's will be able to manage upwards.

@rjmacf0015

10 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure Ms Gillard would agree. A turning point for me as a non Australian watching how she was treated. Thankfully normal Australians aren't as bad!

@rjmacf0015

10 ай бұрын

I understand your view but externally and with respect to the Gillard abuse I respectfully disagree that this represented normal Australian behaviour. Thank you@@Gzeebo

@Bennie32831

10 ай бұрын

​@@brennorris7061what you are really not informed about this are you 😂😂😂😂

How is that they didn’t discuss how appalling Marcia Langton’s comments were as opposed to how the No campaign are to “use them”.?

This video speaks of the No campaign muddying the waters but, as usual, does nothing to add clarity. All intended, of course, bexause we are being asked to vote on a feeling, an "ideal".

What a fluff piece. When Karen described the "No campaign" she never directly explained what was happening. She described what they CAN do or COULD do etc. but never explained what they ARE doing You also never addressed Marcia's comments.

The yes campaign “don’t see this political debate as helping” she says. What she meant & didn’t say was that they don’t see Marcia Langton input as helping. Langton, the gift that keeps on giving.

No matter how she tries to get around it, that was straight from the horses mouth.

Marcia, do you remember Hillary Clinton branding non supporters as "deplorables"? How did that pan out? Insulting the electorate doesn't garner support for your argument.🇦🇺🇺🇸

@entershikarii

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, ‘yes’ people seem very pompously presumptuous and quick to offer insult rather than sound arguments for their case.

@jemshadow123

10 ай бұрын

The president and few of his closest got indicted...and many have already gone to jail....and he might too - so yeah pretty deplorable stuff going on in the Republican side of things...

@entershikarii

10 ай бұрын

@@Gzeebo It seems we agree that referenda itself are obviously not easy-it requires careful consideration, good faith negotiation, and transparency to reach consensus. ‘Yes’ is easy on the surface, who wouldn’t want recognition? It feels really good, positive, and right but when one digs deeper and finds out more about the particular mode in which recognition is supposed to be best achieved via ‘The Voice’, we grasp (even vaguely), its legal and constitutional implications and considerations about its unintended consequences, we think about its underlying presuppositions, the burden of proof just becomes too heavy to sustain; add to that the lack of sufficient basic detail, the handwaving of concerns, the red herrings, and worst of unhelpful fallacies, ad hominems. What a missed opportunity. 😔

@entershikarii

10 ай бұрын

@@Gzeebo Good for you, mate. I don’t support ‘the Voice’ just because it is arguably “something explicitly asked for by Indigenous people” and many Aborigines do not support it. I did state my reasoning as response to another person here. Unlike you, I'm just not confident that the wording proposed to be added to our constitution is clear and unambiguous. The Australian constitution belongs to all Australian citizens implicitly recognised within it regardless of race or “indigeneity”. Our parliamentary representative democracy has made us one of the most diverse, tolerant and generous nations in the world. Our values and aspirations as a nation are reflected in the democratic traditions and institutions and especially in our legislation that we must look to empower all Australians, to address disadvantage, to unite us and to recognise and rectify past injustices. With respect to our uniquely prosaic constitution, at the end of the day it really isn’t about our preferences but the Rule of Law equally applicable to all. Anyway, thank you for engaging.

@SabracadabrO

10 ай бұрын

yes,let’s Just forget about who This is actually for,& play opticspolitrix,obviously racist if you vote no.simple.

It was already NO before the woman spoke but now it is more a big NO

Lol Marcia Langton giving a masterclass on how to gaslight

No mention of the fact that a significant number of Labor votes will be voting NO. I wonder why that is?

Wow this if the first time I have seen the abc allow comments 👏

@user-rl5nd3ys8p

10 ай бұрын

I Agree. Seen a bit of it lately.

More crap. Langton's comments, some of them (so far) outed, show that she is a racist. To now backtrack about her comments, that it was about the No Campaign's points, is BS as I can tell you as an Australian that I want to know what The Voice means now and into our future and we're getting nothing from the Yes Campaign other than insults, lies and deceit. So Langton's comments reflect on me and my whole family which includes First Nations members who are firmly in the NO camp because of all our unanswered questions. So by inference or vicariousness, we're racists and stupid like the No Campaign. There's no politics, no vibe, no graciousness, it's no details, no facts, no idea. Lots of no's. Funny that.

No embellishments needed Macias words speak for themselves. She is a hateful person dividing this great country.

The Treaty of Waitangi used to unite NZ up until the early 1980's. Be very careful Aussie, it could be the start of the slippery slope do division!

@mdiciaccio87

10 ай бұрын

I have met a lot of Kiwis and most are proud of the treaty...

@robertmiller2173

10 ай бұрын

@@mdiciaccio87 and so am I in some ways!

Yes absolutely, will be voting NO! BIG NO 2023.

Imagine the ratio of YES voters working at the ABC. 98%? Upwards?

Vote, NO....easy done :)

Write no ✌️👍 for all Australia

3:11 what facts? Elaborate. When referendum gives you two options, you are allowed to choose either one, there's no need to attack people that you don't agree with... ABC!

Please please we need albow and his yarning pack of grafters to be a bye bye

Karen Middleton is living in an alternate reality. Don’t blame the no campaign. Langton’s comments are yet another reason to vote no.

I think Australians have made their assessment of this misguided voice proposal. Australians have shown they want equality for ALL Australians, not one set of privileges for on section of the community, and another set of conditions for the rest of Australians. Secondly, a further 'voice' will not do anything for that section of Australian aboriginals who are disadvantaged. $1 trillion spend, very little achieved. Time for results. My NO vote is not racism...we all want a better situation for aboriginals, but changing our constitution is not the answer.

She got the Gucci on again she must be doing it tough

Vote NO

Wtf ABC allowing comments. Great , a big Fugg you Aunty . Until you talk for all Aust , Fugg you. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Oh dear she is toxic .This will end all peace between our races

By definition the "No" side needs to be arguing against a proposal and explaining the pitfalls so the people get both sides of an argument. There is a responsibility to do that so voters can make informed decisions. Calling it fear mongering is a misrepresentation.

@adcrane

10 ай бұрын

That's the problem. When you follow the majority of no campaign arguments that's where they end. There have been very few arguments made against it that are not based in sterotypical racism. I will vote yes but I'm actively trying to engage with the no proponents on the basis of their ideas. So far their ideas have been very thin on argument, very thick on misinformation or outright lies.

@tonybloomfield5635

10 ай бұрын

Karen Middleton, like so many on the yes side, in 6 minutes failed to make a single argument for the yes side case, let alone a compelling one. They seem to forget that it is they who have to make an overwhelming case for change and can't. The tired old leftist tactic kicked in - No Argument, No Worries, Claim Misinformation and Throw Stones at the Other Side.

@hjf3022

10 ай бұрын

You are right, there is a responsibility to do that. But that doesn't mean the no campaign isn't engaged in bad faith arguments, lies and misinformation.

@rjmacf0015

10 ай бұрын

I think if you do an equality and diversity course you might find it helpful? @@adcrane ....you also might be surprised at how your definition of sterotypical racism comes home to roost!

@notapplicable1112

10 ай бұрын

​@@entershikariithese arguments obfuscating on the basis of legal jargon fail to adress the fact that the solicitor-general has explicitly stated that the voice will enhance our democracy, along with it having the backing of prominent constitutional law experts.

They are calling for a voice not for a pair of sympathetic ears what is the mechanism that will decide who is the voice and how loud it is allowed to speak?

Can someone explain how this will work for "the greater good" ?

@adcrane

10 ай бұрын

Would be nice to hear more of it, but its quite simple. What's good for our First Nations people is good for us. It's actually a core feature of tribal culture. Not at all hard to grasp.

Is she for real what moon does she come from😮 she can't be from this planet

where did you dig this women up from

Surely drinking on the job never goes well

I am most likely to vote no, but i don't think she was calling all no voters racist.

Swimming in trolls over at the ABC gaslighting Australians marcia is hard isn't it????

I am basing my judgement on the information in the referendumbooklet. Am i being misinformed?

It's like watching a small child lie.

You shouldve explained what the no campaign is...im lost

AVC bias

The yes camp need to supply information instead of arguing why it’s not relevant

@adamlouis3725

10 ай бұрын

everything is on the website. how much more do you want?

@knight2425

10 ай бұрын

Exactly, if the yes side actually answered questions and stop contradicting themselves there would be nothing negative for the No side to play on

@Ausf

10 ай бұрын

If you tell people what they're voting on, you just increase the chances of them not wanting it. Better to be as vague as possible. With the republic referendum, there was overwhelming support for yes, but by adding in more detail, and making it clear that they planned to include things people didn't want, the government of the time was able to secure a no vote. Here, the government is hoping to secure a yes vote. So being as vague as possible is the way to go.

@lesmotley6839

10 ай бұрын

They can't answer the questions because they don't know the answers themselves. Originally it was just to have a preamble in the constitution that aboriginals were here first and now it's anyone's guess on what the voice will look like if it wins.

@Ausf

10 ай бұрын

@@tjmarxNo, the problem was that we didn't vote on republic: yes/no. We voted on a system with a head of state, identical to the current system, with different titles, and no one wanted that. Knowing that no one wanted that system, that was the system proposed, and that was why the referendum achieved the no Howard wanted, despite overwhelming support for a republic. If you wanted a yes outcome, all you had to do was ask if Australia should become a republic.

One way or another, the case Albanese is hitching his wagon to is: Canberra has hearing problems. He's not wrong, although I wouldn't credit him beyond that.

JACINTA FOR PM!!!!

0:03 Don't know? Find out! Don't follow politicians blindly.

how does asking Lili Munster help spearsy?

Whoops

she said NOTHING wrong, enough of the pearl-clutching righteousness

Sack Speers

@unbearableunbearable2740

10 ай бұрын

Makaratta style

People do not have to vote yes or no - they can vote informally if they are uncertain - the no campaign is pushing a no vote for those uncertain

How is it not racist? Pretending the No campaign is not driven by racism is a joke.

Sheesh. Seriously?! Binary thinking is so prevalent these days.There is always a 3rd option. That is one can ABSTAIN. That is by writing Yes AND No together in the same ballot OR not turning up to vote [though later would be risking a fine] to send a message. That is IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEN ABSTAIN YOUR VOTE.

@penguinvic9892

10 ай бұрын

Perhaps there should be 3 boxes and tick or cross only one i.e. [] YES [] NO [] ABSTAIN (or couldn’t care less)

@derrickheng564

10 ай бұрын

@@penguinvic9892 Matey, Don't do a Marcia. That is, Abstain != could not care less. To clarify like her, ABSTAIN is go back to the drawing board and hatch out a PROPOSITION [logic] that we can actually vote YES or NO on.

@derrickheng564

10 ай бұрын

@@unbearableunbearable2740 When after research and there exists an insufficient information to falsify OR to confirm a proposition [logic] then one ABSTAIN Are you doing a Marcia? Just because I Abstain, you automatically assumed I did not do research to make an informed / rational judgement?

@penguinvic9892

10 ай бұрын

@@derrickheng564 You’re right. The correct thing is to make an informed decision. I suspect the turnout may be relatively low as many voters will accept the small fine as a way of abstaining.

@derrickheng564

10 ай бұрын

@@penguinvic9892 That is democracy. I would advice the pollies and the brain trust NOT TO TAKE our votes lightly, and make their case CONVINCINGLY. So far, both sides are taking us for a fool. That is the YES side is asking us to take a blind leap of faith like preached in the bible. While the NO side is one slogan-ism /meme after another where some of which are disinformation and misinformation. These actions are really pissing me off!

Not all 'No' voters are racist, but all the racists will be voting no.

She's Just saying Outloud What Is TRUTHS😢😢😢

@epenesaruth8650

10 ай бұрын

And The Deepest Thoughts Of People's Attitude 😢😢😢

While there are obviously some groups of no voters, like the "Progressive no" and "treaty first" lots, who aren't racist... There is absolutely a shit ton of racism in the right's no campaign and the voters supporting the no vote from that side of the political spectrum.

Is she wrong? When you analyse the agruments, many are simply excuses for voting no. If you go tthe the 'vibe', the question is simple. Do you want a better life for our indigenous people or not? There is no downside for the rest of us.

@brettmorrison360

10 ай бұрын

Sadly your misguided ill advised bet you got a good heart😢

@penguinvic9892

10 ай бұрын

@@tjmarx Hey, we may have some common ground here. Your suggestion has some merit. The N.T. is a long way from Canberra. Statehood might be an idea. At any rate, perhaps it’s time for Territorians to bite the bullet and make some practical improvements themselves …?

What's the issue? She's right.

Panic for the YES bunch- too little too late 🎉😂