"The day we unify our country" will never come and we are becoming more divided each day. The irony is, the more these activists try to push indigenous sovereignty into the faces of Australians the more alienated the indigenous become!

@serenaclampert4797

Жыл бұрын

The Labor Party made Australia a multi cultural society which is divisive.

@infernalstan886

Жыл бұрын

​@@serenaclampert4797 lol, immigration tends to be lower under Labor governments than LNP governments

As a Refugee from NZ (and soon to be Australian Citizen), you don't want this toxic devisiveness in Australia. All votes are equal and none should be "more equal" than others. The NZ Experience of letting Maori (a small percentage of the Population) hold the entire country to ransom over issues. A large "Grievance Industry" full of Lawyerly Urban Elites who's Tools of Trade are needling White Guilt and get a pay off every time a new and issue is raised and "$ettled", will NOT trickle down to the "Man Out Back" who may actually deserve it. I support the uplift and prosperity of Indigenous through real initiatives am glad Aussies are waking up to these LIES (Leftist Ideological Elusion by Stealth), which are anything but positive.

Since we have Indigenous ministers in every state and federal, this is a huge waste of taxpayers money!

How bout a Bill Of Rights for ALL Australians!

The lack of respect from Lydia is just disgusting

@markc1456

8 ай бұрын

its gutter trash

We know the truth about Labor's Voice. One man who stood next to the PM when he announced the referendum wording is Mr Thomas Mayo who sits on the PM's Referendum Working Group which drafted the referendum question. Mayo published his book titled "The Voice to Parliament Handbook". His signature is on the Uluru Statement and he has spent 18 months travelling around Australia trying to talk Australians into changing the Constitution to include the Voice. He is a union official and self-described “militant” on record as saying the Voice will “punish politicians”, “abolish colonialist institutions” and “pay the rent, pay reparations and compensation”. Rather than the Voice being the “inspiring and unifying Australian moment” and "modest request" described by the PM, Mr Mayo told a Communist conference “there is nothing that we can do that is more powerful than building a first nations’ Voice, a black institution, a black political force to be reckoned with”. At a 2021 "Invasion Day" protest he described “the powers that be” as “murderers”, and said he was “sick of governments not listening to our voice” so planned “to use the rulebook of the nation to force them”. At Black Lives Matter protests and other addresses he reveals the Voice’s radical origins in the Search Foundation which describes itself as the “successor organisation of the Communist Party of Australia”.

@richiesworld1

7 ай бұрын

He's not wrong, mostly🤷🏿‍♂️

The moderator of the forum needs to maintain a tighter control on the discussion, it is irritating to hear everyone speaking over the top of each other.

@bartandaelus359

Жыл бұрын

By everyone you do just mean Lidia Thorpe though, she was the most egregious by far.

Lydia Thorpe (no longer a Green by the way) is singularly The Voice’s Achilles heel. Every time she advocates they go backwards.

@figzor

Жыл бұрын

Only because she makes fragile people uncomfortable.

@jjsc4396

Жыл бұрын

@@figzor do you mean generally, or those celebrating Mardi Gras or waiting outside strip clubs at midnight…..as she’s coming out of same?

@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf

Жыл бұрын

Exactly mate

@drharveyshahnam

10 ай бұрын

She is so belligerent and I feel she lacks the capacity to listen.

@kiaq1153

8 ай бұрын

if the majority of first nation's people's request, constitutional experts, life-long activists and 250years of history is not listened to.....I doubt MP Thorpe's fiery attitude is the reason people 'regrettably' would vote no.

Anything Lydia thorpe is for i`m against

Paul states that 97% of the population determine the fate of the 3% Indigenous population. But should that 3% control the fate of the other 97% ?

@ozwunder69

9 ай бұрын

What fate is impeded by a consultative voice to parliamentarians?? Much less than the atlas network bodies in Australia at present

Surprise surprise, the first guy never got an answer to his question re, salary and permanency of voice members.

No to the voice we shouldn’t be divided by race

There are indigenous australians in paraliment they have as much a voice as any other polititcian. To give a group of politicions more power based on race is nothing but racist however you want to try and say it its dividing and chosing by race. No one is saying indigenous ppl shouldnt be recognised in the constitutuion the problem is the "voice" bit where they are being nondescript about it. One group of people souldnt have more of a say then others in a democracy it really is that complicated.

The Republic guy actually knows what the voice is about.

@debbie3630

Жыл бұрын

not really as the yes voters don’t even know

@jjruss8238

8 ай бұрын

No, they know whats its about. You just believe all the myths and stories on 2gb@@debbie3630

@jjruss8238

8 ай бұрын

He is very well spoken.

@theselector4733

8 ай бұрын

He doesn't have a CLUE. He says it's the first time this has happened....... Indigenous people have had a Voice before. This has been done before and some have failed. The difference is that now they want to put it in The Constitution. More red tape and bureaucracy.

Lidia to prosper one thing is needed- work ,work ,work. All emigrants comes without dollar, no English and succeeded by sacrifice and work...

@benpasquale6353

8 ай бұрын

best statement ive heard all year...thankyou

29:04 … almost 30mins of a rubbish attempt to hide racism undone.. I just want both my sons to have a fair go at lifes basic needs health, housing, development support & job opportunities regardless of race, as a result of their parents working hard & paying their taxes…. & let me tell you my beautiful eldest part ‘First Nation’, (as you say), son has almost every handout and opportunity at his disposal set for the rest of his life; unlike his beautiful little brother based solely on race 🤔… Bridge that gap you flops.

To say aboriginal people don't have a say in policy that effects them currently is not true. The role of the $4.5 billion dollar aboriginal advisory is to do just that. To seek advice and develop policy from and for aboriginal people. If they are not doing that, what are they doing?

@kiaq1153

8 ай бұрын

there is no advisory body

I am not embarrassed of my heritage!!!!!!! Very proud as a matter of fact. A little racist about the Monachy I hear from some of the panel.

This is a bad idea because it won't stop with just the voice, this is about power and who gets what and if they get there way I can see a lot of people loosing there land and it won't stop there.

Lydia: labor labor labor. This isn't about the labor party it's about moving beyond our past and healing wounds not petty political point scoring

@bartandaelus359

Жыл бұрын

She opposes the Voice purely to give herself relevance. She is the de-facto voice along with all other elected FN politicians. By opposing it she empowers herself at the cost of her own people. While I agree that we need treaty first, I believe that to be the case for wildly different reasons to Lydia.

@James-kv6kb

Жыл бұрын

Which I'm sure the full bloods if they were allowed to be seen in the media would actually say that but they're hidden away so people like Linda can get all the attention

@fiercewarrior.6358

Жыл бұрын

What about the whites who were stolen from their parents the forgotten generation? There was more of them than the stolen generation why won’t they have a committee and a voice?

@havanadaurcy1321

Жыл бұрын

I oppose it due to Albanese being one who suspended the Racial Discrimination Act for King Dud intervention. That's what she probably is fearful of

@timrohds750

10 ай бұрын

It’s about money nothing more nothing less Endless victim mentality wants money.

The concept of the VOICE is both divisive and undemocratic. The change any part of the Constitution to suit just 3% of the population is ridiculous. Vote NO!

As part of any treaty will the sovereign aboriginal nation pay compensation for all the improvements to this country since the colonists come.

I can’t believe this has dragged out for more than 6 months! There should have been a delegation of elected and non-elected representatives, to discuss and draft a proposal change to the constitution. Vetted, stress tested, with worked examples of how it would work. Not just a blank cheque vote on “the vibe”, the first step in a three step list of demands from one part of the population.

Is it me why is Stan so dark is this makeup very dark

@jmanfresh247

Жыл бұрын

He's trying to fit in with the topic 😂

@traciebooth8175

Жыл бұрын

Ok

@graemebelle7427

Жыл бұрын

Hes' been slowly getting darker over the last couple of years.

It's not like indigenous Australians are any more significant than non indigenous Australians, and neither are more valuable or important then the other. Why should we grant indigenous Australians more power over everyone else?

VOTE NO.

Respectfully, every Aboriginal person in Australia has a vote. There are 11 Aboriginal MPs in Parliament. Can you please provide specific examples of exactly how the Voice will work to effect change in ways that the MPs and Departments, including and especially the NIAA, cannot? I'm very afraid that people will not vote 'yes' because the message is 'just vote yes and we'll work out the details later'. The proposal is for 25 representatives in Canberra and 35 for the rest of Australia...that doesn't sound like a 'bottom up' movement. Thorpe is quite right on one issue....past royal commission recommendations have never been fully implemented. There are plenty of successful Aboriginal people in the trades and professions....I'd like them to be more visible in all media as role models for young people. The Swiss have a very successful apprenticeship system, covering trades and industries such as banking, so students emerge job-ready. Many of the young people who end up in custody have FASD. FASD is a tragedy that must be addressed.

@bennuballbags2

Жыл бұрын

Yes, vote yes for this expensive divisive thing that costs millions but we cannot give you a single detail about how it actually works....thats why it's going to be voted NO!

Giving Lydia Thorpe a platform , is just another example of The ABC’s complete degradation.

hopefully the Aboriginal people will hear and vote no for their own sakes 😢

That host has a wicked tan going ay

@jefflangdon3540

10 ай бұрын

Wth was going on there! One too many coats in the booth!

Yes will cause all kind of problems, this is going nowhere ..... no real answers - no one seems to know anything that makes sense. Everyone has their own views not answers to the VOICE.

If the indigenous people could only agree on what that voice is, 300 tribes all saying something different. That's why no one listens.

I respect the first. Assistant to the Minister-She speaks clearly, which is very uncommon to the usual appearances, that define Q&A.

I would have thought the treaty should be with a new republic, and not the old outgoing system. Either way we have a long way to go in helping Indigenous Australians improve their lives.Starting with reconciliation, and not war hungering as Lidia Thorpe in-sighed in Melbourne months ago. She is a hindrance, more that help dragging us back a decades in relations.

I think what a lot of people arnt thinking about is that the voice proposes that aboriginal people get to ADVISE on INDIGENOUS based proposals from the government. It does not give aboriginals the power to control the country it gives them constitutional right to voice their opinion on government proposals that effect THEM. (I am indigenous just easier to write this comment from a third party perspective) I respect everyone’s decision but I hope people will vote yes and seriously consider their decision.

@PASKEN458

9 ай бұрын

Why do you get the right to ADVISE over everyone else in this country? What makes you special and better than the rest of us?

@stuartdando8512

8 ай бұрын

Indigenous people have had the opportunity to control the way money is spent to benefit their people for 50 years. So far the so called indigenous leaders have only benefitted themselves! Just like regular white politicians. What makes you think this will change? That is if the aborigines will have any say at all, as their representatives will be bought out by wealthy corporations to make decisions that benefit their own interests.

Lydia Thorpe is a guarantee that the vote will be a NO.

No to the voice

Everyone has a voice on Polling day. No group needs to have an extra voice. Just accept the decision made at the Ballot Box and get on with life as it is today like the vast majority of hard working Australians. Hopefully at the next election. Most of the panel was there to promote their own agendas

@ADayInTheLifeOfJames

Жыл бұрын

Yep with Federal Funding

@frankjohnson-em8ir

10 ай бұрын

I hope there will be honest people counting the votes

The opening reminded me of the start of family feud game show it was so show bizz! I noticed there are are couple of glaring absences here. Two prominent indigenous people who are opposed to the vote and conservative voices, at least one of them should have been here? Hard to believe the ABC has allowed comments as usually this is not allowed ...but this still smells like passive aggressive propaganda to me. VOTE NO NO NO NO NO NO NO unless you really believe it will help grass roots indigenous people get jobs, education, opportunity,, reduce crime, lawlessness and substance abuse. I don't think it will! I think a few people will get paid enormous salaries to sit on boards and Albo gets to strut around the world virtue signalling to his elite peer's. Enough said.

Your right Lydia. What about our sovereignty and if it says no then what about treaty

What about the millions of citizens living below the poverty line... lol

Too chaotic. We need a Jacinta Price to give us reasonable and rational answers

I so respect Marcia Langton very smart lady, not the loud mouth Thorpe

@janeway1111

9 ай бұрын

⁠24 people chosen by Canberra politicians to speak for 500 clans - on things like treaties and other issues. No wonder Rio Tinto, BHP, Woodside and Coles liquorland are funding the yes campaign.

I understand this is an emotional subject but why does it seem to difficult to establish the framework? Alot of disagreement within our indigenous

@matthewgodfrey9470

Жыл бұрын

Imagine saying 'all europeans are the same' You're gonna be so wrong, even within a country itself there is so much variation, culture and not to mention the names. They raise a very good point, that the people chosen so far, are just really the well off and as was quite reasonably pointed out, may have been bought out 'by organisations and corporations.'

@ericmccolough2482

Жыл бұрын

My guess, the "well off" are educated. They went to Uni and are now, doctors or lawyers. Many of the nomadic clans that once travelled to find food, chose to change and won't it be fantastic when aboriginal kids decide an education is better than welfare.

@timrohds750

10 ай бұрын

They all want the power

No

I see why people put the Greens down- Thorpe ideation

leaving Bridget to cover up sensibility, but keeps resounding, through opening of ears

Hooray! Open for comments! 😅

I’m watching with the sound off! 😀

ABC needs a complete overhaul and stripped of tax payer funding.

Can we simplify this maybe: Do you identify as a) sea people b) desert people c) river people d) desert people and cannot Clans then be given per capita allocations from the EAC? If we continue giving untied and tied grants to States/Territories, a Voice won't change it. They will just end shouty people in the conga line microphone on Budget night telling ABC viewers we didn't get everything in our budget submission. We've tried everything else. Centrelink, ATO, Medicare know where people live, so surely we can distribute in that way and use bit of NDIS and Education funding metrics to front load those areas? With The Voice saying they want the same as goes to Community Programs in Local Governments but LGAs don't control it.

@serenaclampert4797

Жыл бұрын

Or just get a job and earn a living.

Marcia Langdon, I've heard enough I'm gone

Good luck finding someone like that Craig.

Bit of a lobsided arguement and panel

As an American and a Filipino I don’t understand why someone would want a politician as their head of state. And the thought of giving special status to one racial group in a country of many groups is scary.

i didnt know Lydia thorpe had 6 fingers

See the problems and help people

@havanadaurcy1321

Жыл бұрын

Albo will, 24/7/365 intervention you can't get out of hahahaha

Treaty on the way Look out Australia

I have a solution for the divide, the government should acquire a small island and send lydia there, Just her! That would be a great start

@Sweptundertherug

Жыл бұрын

With a 10 foot razor wire fence around it.....

@janeway1111

9 ай бұрын

⁠24 people chosen by Canberra politicians to speak for 500 clans - on things like treaties and other issues. No wonder Rio Tinto, BHP, Woodside and Coles liquorland are funding the yes campaign.

Malarndirri McCarthy is an embarrassment.

Never give up trying to do better

My political views are definitely to the left but Lydia Thorpe has no place in politics. She is embarrassment, so disrespectful, isolates people and does not bring them together.

@janeway1111

9 ай бұрын

⁠24 people chosen by Canberra politicians to speak for 500 clans - on things like treaties and other issues. No wonder Rio Tinto, BHP, Woodside and Coles liquorland are funding the yes campaign.

Vote No

These two must have been laying next to the solar panels on the roof...

Jacinta says "we need ears" lol... Seem to have fallen on deaf ears for a long time!!...

A presidential election non-political in nature? Singapore. All candidates must not be a member of a political party. Did Australia again magically disappear from the south of Asia and reappear off the coast of USA as its 55th state? Tends to happen a bit too often.

Is this real! Im on Lydia's side on this, shes speaking truth

Australian Apartheid = THE VOICE. We are One Federated Nation. We are many but of ONE country. Having different governing rules for each culture is Apartheid. It is bad enough that Aboriginal people do not need a licence to go fishing, but everybody else needs to have a fishing licence (in NSW at least). That is a value of Apartheid. All you Yes voters need to understand that putting one culture on a different footing than another is Apartheid and this “One rule for me, and another for thee” will not unify the country. Yes, maybe the Aborigines were the first humans to arrive on this continent (we suppose) but it does not mean that they are perpetually in ascendance in all spheres, actualities, rights and preferences. Giving one culture preference over another will not bless this country, least of all the Aborigines who will find that their rights will draw disdain and cost respect.

The voice can do that as a beginning

@ericmccolough2482

Жыл бұрын

A working example would be good to see. A lot of people wonder how it would be better than the 2,500 organisations that currently operate.

@havanadaurcy1321

Жыл бұрын

Just a refresher, Albo would love this back as he voted for it. The entire parliamentary Labor Party, voted in June 2007 to accept the Northern Territory Emergency Response Act (NTER), originally introduced by John Howard. This legislation suspended the Racial Discrimination Act, marking Aboriginal people as second-class citizens and bringing communities under Commonwealth control.-Paedric Gibson

@possibilities8

Жыл бұрын

@@ericmccolough2482 I think it's a good start

@ericmccolough2482

Жыл бұрын

Turns out the 24 activists have decided NOT to do a trial but to expect Australia to vote for them. I SAY NO!! Why should 3% of the population have Special Rights while 97% are denied because of their race? The voice is RACIST! AUSTRALIA MUST VOTE NO!

@janeway1111

9 ай бұрын

⁠24 people chosen by Canberra politicians to speak for 500 clans - on things like treaties and other issues. No wonder Rio Tinto, BHP, Woodside and Coles liquorland are funding the yes campaign. ​@@ericmccolough2482

Mostly reasonable panel

@atb12312

Жыл бұрын

Especially Lida Thorpe

They keep saying this vote is for the first nations people to be heard, but it's not. Every Australian is heard the same way, a vote. These guys want a special extra voice, that's the referendum not if they get a voice at all. So then the follow up question is what will this extra voice look like how much will it cost why do we need it etc. They don't have any details laid out so the answer will be no.

Queen Lidia all the way

TELL THE YUIN ELDER TO STOP RAPPING US problem solved😢😢😢😢😢😢aTHE VIOCE

interesting for me, its a NOOOOO.

Treaty

The pinyatta Australia

is this where tan spat the dummy and went into hibernation?

Meant since the colonists came - this compensation would amount to trillions of dollars.

left wing show a joke plus grant to

So much untruths- not oldest continuous culture in the wourld- many African including Kalahari much much older. Land if own by one nation is chaos and ,division, and greedy principles. Aboriginal needs mostly work opportunity to succeed

next we will be told to leave if we dont have the right shade of colour skin, or our non first nation childeren will be second class and not have the same rights as the people who stand on top of the pedestal and scoop up all community funding for their own benifets.

stop calling it First Nations people, they have been indigenous aboriginal people since time immemorial your terminology belongs to north americans Indians period

Stick to soccer Craig

All Australians need to pay rent on the land that they own.This is our ultimate goal.

@timrohds750

10 ай бұрын

If they own it why pay rent? Yeah it’s really just about money!

its a good step towards inclusion, picked advisers & elected reps of the aboriginal community, together can make this change.

@sheavague7058

Жыл бұрын

Inclusion needs to be an invitation from land owners not settlers. Its like me walking into your house, cooking dinner and inviting you to join me.

@matthewgodfrey9470

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, there needs to be the same middle ground of picked advisors & elected reps to ensure a fair and very reasonable right to self governance in their own country I might add

@organicod2438

Жыл бұрын

@@sheavague7058 Isn't it more like inviting you to dinner in your grandmother's house after she was forcefully evicted by some gangsters who then sold the stolen house on two or three times?

@sheavague7058

Жыл бұрын

@@organicod2438 close. Its still the same gangster organization only bigger now. And they are inviting you to dinner at gangster hq. Which they also stole.

@ericmccolough2482

Жыл бұрын

If 3% of our population own or control over 50% of the country, $100,000,000 is given by taxpayers and the Murri and Koori Courts fail to jail offenders (over 265 aboriginal women have been murdered or disappeared since 2000) are we there yet? Will there be land for the 97% (it maybe 98% with Albos 750,000 migrants)?

The real question is about this country becoming a republic, but this can only be done once the first people's are part of a new Constitution with their consent as they were not invited into the original Constitution . The danger is if we become a republic the executive government will be the head ( sovereign) and the problem with that is, a corporate entity being the executive will have company policy and will dissolve people to have incorporated " Persons ", and not people. The first people's can not allow a corporate thing " government" represent people as they can only have policy for " persons" incorporated under the corporate executive government. This is old hat ancient State legal that is not like common law that would be beneficial to all on the mainland continent. We don't need a voice for first people we need ears to listen and also the Australian citizens need ears to hear and truely represent all people's and not corporate citizenship. The government must be reigned in with new elections to return as the servants of the people not " persons" and no executive has any sovereignty at all but to fullfill the will of the people. Get rid of the judiciary and it's Statutory laws first, for when we restore real common law that will be the first step to giving all people confidence . It's the laws and legalese statute and parliamentary immunity and privileged with no accountability that is the real problem, only then can we consider to move in a more harmonic way to better the lives of all on this land. Don't try this old hat Ancient State statute legal system and its corporate nonsense to continue as it does not work and as soon as the real law returns real representation and accountability returns will the will of the people and not the will of some executive corporate legislature with statutory creatures and company policy. Return the Common Law first of all.

nothing we do will make them happy . they'll want more and more and more . i'm voting no and will never agree to a treaty . thorpe is so annoying

Get all the racist trolls here.

@janeway1111

9 ай бұрын

⁠24 people chosen by Canberra politicians to speak for 500 clans - on things like treaties and other issues. No wonder Rio Tinto, BHP, Woodside and Coles liquorland are funding the yes campaign.

Thank god we have someone finally like Lidia Thorpe to speak the truth that is transparent that is passionate You Are Not Alone

Best ever, Republic and a treaty. Go team.

@janeway1111

9 ай бұрын

⁠24 people chosen by Canberra politicians to speak for 500 clans - on things like treaties and other issues. No wonder Rio Tinto, BHP, Woodside and Coles liquorland are funding the yes campaign.

We love you Lydia you're not alone keep going

@johnd5953

11 ай бұрын

LMAO. What a joke.

Always was and always will be Aboriginal land.

@janeway1111

9 ай бұрын

⁠24 people chosen by Canberra politicians to speak for 500 clans - on things like treaties and other issues. No wonder Rio Tinto, BHP, Woodside and Coles liquorland are funding the yes campaign.

Speaking out for our people action speak louder than words go out and seek those who understands the struggles of our people lives ask what our people want and need in this land we are tied of the pressure from all the gov we are still waiting to be liberated from the oppress the gov had created for all the Aboriginal and Torres strait Islander.🖤💛❤️🔵⚪🟢⚫🇭🇲✊🙏