Marchesa, the Black Rose: MODULAR | Commander Tune-Ups #83

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We're upgrading a Marchesa modular deck today, so it's all about artifact creatures and +1/+1 counters! Let's see how far we can take this unique strategy!
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  • @casketbase7750
    @casketbase77502 жыл бұрын

    Pour one out for poor Zabaz. He’s a big bug bot commander outright dedicated to the Modular mechanic, but ended up outclassed by some smug lady.

  • @brett5569

    @brett5569

    2 жыл бұрын

    I have a zabaz deck. It’s not super powerful but it’s a lot of fun

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    2 жыл бұрын

    She killed Zabaz. Poisoned his soup

  • @casketbase7750

    @casketbase7750

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@NitpickingNerds Zabaz: I’m at the soup store! Marchesa: Why are you searching for modular cards at the soup store?!!

  • @WayfarersBauble
    @WayfarersBauble2 жыл бұрын

    8:32 is pretty much the pinnacle of my existence. It will be pretty hard to top that ❤

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    2 жыл бұрын

    Doesn’t get any better than that!

  • @dracosfire7247

    @dracosfire7247

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wayfarer’s Bauble is stronger than Tinker confirmed! #BanWayfarersBauble

  • @MegaSnow44
    @MegaSnow442 жыл бұрын

    I was literally thinking about a different build for a marchesa deck, thanks a lot, it looks so fun and I can't wait to try it!

  • @kineverence9087
    @kineverence90872 жыл бұрын

    I've run this commander build for a few years now and have been tuning it with balance of modular stuff to loop, sacrifice and payoffs. I would strongly recommend Steel Dromedary as it can be a loop and protect Marchesa with a counter of her own. I wrote a primer a while back and a neat thing to note is as follows. NOTE: Black Sun's Zenith and stuff like Toxic Deluge will allow any creature to come back that would be killed if they had a +1/+1 counter on them with Marchesa out. Normally a -1/-1 counter will remove any +1/+1 counter but if it would die (excedes over health including counters) to the negative counters it will gain a Marchesa trigger. This is due to rule 704.8 which summarizes to that if it last existed on the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter while a state based action will move it to graveyard, its last known info is derived thus applying the delayed marchess trigger. This rule also applies to a creature with a +1/+1 counter on it thats not normally a creature like Sculpting Steel meaning it will come back even though it is no longer a creature in the graveyard.

  • @togglebott7748

    @togglebott7748

    Жыл бұрын

    God that’s the main issue with the deck, finding the balance

  • @loganchristiansen564
    @loganchristiansen5642 жыл бұрын

    I've been wanting to build a unique marchesa deck for a while and I had never thought about the modular mechanic until now!

  • @myth1517
    @myth1517 Жыл бұрын

    I have building a deck based around the Modular and Marchesa for a while and some other cards which I have found to be pretty handy, and may be considerations for this deck as well are: **Skyclave Shadowcat, no need to remove 2 counters to draw cards, when a creature you control with a +1/+1 dies draw a card. for 2 mana you can sac a creature and the cat gets a +1/+1 so saving it with commanders ability. *Smothering Abomination, a sac outlet at the beginning of turn with when you sac a creature draw a card. *Shifty Doppelganger slightly on the higher end for ability use at 4 mana but would be a way to sneak in some of the higher cost modulars and its also a sac at end of turn so I felt that the cost could be justified, and it can be used on each turn, sudo flash ability. **Workhorse surprised not to see that as its a great mana generator especially with modular and even if you drop it to just 1 counter and sac bring it back for another 3 mana (colourless) and could be paired easily with Horizon Stone for mana storage. Yes it is a 6 drop but one that you can see benefits from immediately and without killing it could cost you only 3 after removing 3 counters. *Cauldron of Souls, yes I am aware of the reduced counters as they balance out but it does give an additional sac per turn as you could double up on one phase just making sure to target creatures with at least 2 + counters on them. *Warstorm surge, Pandemonium, Terror of the peaks, impact tremors, damage as you cycle your creatures **High Market would be a great addition as it gives another sac outlet *Thopter Assembly for your Time Sive **Grimgrin, Corpse-Born sac outlet adding +1/+1 counters to the mix and can destroy a creature when he attacks **Necroplasm, free kill ability that you can reset, great for removing token armies. I find with decks built with this concept in mind adding as many sac outlets as possible is necessary.

  • @kingmric
    @kingmric2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, was working on this deck today!

  • @jdeaconl
    @jdeaconl2 жыл бұрын

    Love it if you could go deeper on your Commander Cube! I've just finished building mine, I'd love some insight on yours, see if it needs a cube tune up!

  • @gavinkecan6202
    @gavinkecan62022 жыл бұрын

    Well played on slowing down the pattern list. Thoughtful. Great stuff as always!

  • @ethanlampe5820
    @ethanlampe58202 жыл бұрын

    I build this deck a month ago and it’s great, the engine of iron apprentice and goblin engineer is nasty, you want engineer basically every game because it gets your combos out in 1-2 turn cycles

  • @Nichoma
    @Nichoma2 жыл бұрын

    Grim haruspex and river kelpie make any sac outlet into a draw engine with marchesa. These are for sure adds. Also Kappa cannoneer was shown at the end but you guys didn't really talk about it, it really can't be understated how much of a killer this thing is. Oh and herald of secret streams makes everything modular an unblockable. I've been slowly tuning a Marchesa list for about a month now and I've been gradually going deeper into the artifact style. Its really strong and anyone that wants a fun marchesa deck should try this style.

  • @Ben-fp4he
    @Ben-fp4he2 жыл бұрын

    Been wanting a recent video on exactly this for a while now

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    2 жыл бұрын

    That is so specific but I’m glad you got it!

  • @kevinholmes3587
    @kevinholmes35872 жыл бұрын

    One of my buddies at my LGS built this months ago and it slaps

  • @MRnobodyoftheeveryb
    @MRnobodyoftheeveryb2 жыл бұрын

    If you are playing Marchesa you just HAVE to play every card you can that has the word „graft“ in it. This mechanic ist just completely insane and basically saying „get every etb/ death trigger/ death payoff every players turn“

  • @vincentqu9654

    @vincentqu9654

    2 жыл бұрын

    sorry how does this work? if you give the last +1/+1 counter away doesn't it not come back?

  • @cireegdoh

    @cireegdoh

    Жыл бұрын

    @@vincentqu9654 So the idea is for the cards with Graft 2 or more. You would always need to keep a counter on it once you go to sacrifice it as I understand it. But like modular, your creatures entering with counters is always a good thing. Though, I have cut graft creatures for better alternatives in my decks to be honest.

  • @RazielNightfall
    @RazielNightfall2 жыл бұрын

    TBH I have made the Black Rose deck 4-5 different ways. After 2-3 plays I always go back to sneak attack reanimation.

  • @jarendavidson5758
    @jarendavidson57582 жыл бұрын

    NEW NITPICKING NERDS VIDEO!

  • @fortress61
    @fortress612 жыл бұрын

    may i recommend workhorse and maybe mox opal. and no addition of mishra's workshop?

  • @clanechelon
    @clanechelon2 жыл бұрын

    Oh never though of marchessa for modular deck. I tried a few things over the years and now I settle for Osgir and so far so good!

  • @cireegdoh

    @cireegdoh

    Жыл бұрын

    It's so fun...though your opponents might not think so.

  • @chrisblack7583
    @chrisblack75832 жыл бұрын

    You guys will still be alive in 100 years? Cool, looking forward to that episode if im still alive.

  • @fuhby3315
    @fuhby33152 жыл бұрын

    Are Feign Death and Undying Malice (and maybe Malakir Rebirth) worth adding in terms of protecting Marchesa and providing her with a counter?

  • @cireegdoh

    @cireegdoh

    Жыл бұрын

    Professor's Warning is probably the best, but yes these are definitely nice adds, especially Malakir Rebirth.

  • @alexschooley9440
    @alexschooley9440 Жыл бұрын

    is there a post of the deck list after what you added?

  • @Slackker_
    @Slackker_2 жыл бұрын

    damn, i really want to build this deck now...

  • @seanleclerc9666
    @seanleclerc96662 жыл бұрын

    will you be in vegas this june for the commandfest?

  • @anthonymancuso5554
    @anthonymancuso55542 жыл бұрын

    That cat is so damn lovable

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    2 жыл бұрын

    Isn’t she?!

  • @Mell042
    @Mell0422 жыл бұрын

    For protecting Marchesa against removal, check out Slip Out the Back

  • @cireegdoh

    @cireegdoh

    Жыл бұрын

    So, I've run many versions of Marchesa, and I'm not sold on Slip out the back. The fact that she doesn't return until your next turn, can actually ruin all your plans because you no longer have dethrone on all your creatures. There are other cheap instants that give you a counter now for Marchesa...so I'm not sure this one works yet. Haven't fully tested it.

  • @VincentJBruno
    @VincentJBruno10 ай бұрын

    4:15 not all modular creatures are constructs only the scrapyard recombiner and the arcbound worker are, I have a fairly tuned Modular marchesa and moved away fome construct pull because of this.

  • @cireegdoh
    @cireegdoh Жыл бұрын

    I disagree about removing Myr Scrapling. As a Marchesa player myself, you need as many instant speed ways to put a 1/1 onto Marchesa or any creature. It's a slightly worse Iron Apprentice, but with modular creatures, it is very easy to get a counter on it before you have to sac it.

  • @eveljkov
    @eveljkov2 жыл бұрын

    This was the first Marchesa deck I made after she was spoiled. I got a lot of mileage out of Sage of Fables since this deck relies on Marchesa (and some draw). Scrap Mastery is great fun too. Is River Kelpie too much of a Marchesa-Goodstuff card? Lots of new toys for this deck. I may have to rebuild it.

  • @skilleyskillz9221

    @skilleyskillz9221

    2 жыл бұрын

    Iron Apprentice is insane for Sage of Fables ❤️

  • @nathanielzumwalt3063
    @nathanielzumwalt30632 жыл бұрын

    How does one submit their deck for a commander tune-up???

  • @radiodemon5774
    @radiodemon57742 жыл бұрын

    Can we get a list of the best non 1 for 1 removal spells? Besides board wipes.

  • @anonymoususer5351

    @anonymoususer5351

    2 жыл бұрын

    Malicious Affliction and Ashes to Ashes seem like two frontrunners that come to mind

  • @ADudeWhoExperiences1393

    @ADudeWhoExperiences1393

    2 жыл бұрын

    Windgraces judgment is a good one too

  • @ADudeWhoExperiences1393

    @ADudeWhoExperiences1393

    2 жыл бұрын

    Heliods intervention, klauths will, druid of purification, and dismantling wave ate all good ones too.

  • @ADudeWhoExperiences1393

    @ADudeWhoExperiences1393

    2 жыл бұрын

    Curtains call and grasp of fate.

  • @aktivwurm
    @aktivwurm2 жыл бұрын

    Best

  • @clicky1350
    @clicky13502 жыл бұрын

    This ep must of been recorded before new capenna cause I didn't hear them say corpse cleaner. If they did my apologies but marches without corpse cleaner is basically why bother?

  • @cireegdoh

    @cireegdoh

    Жыл бұрын

    What card are you talking about? Corpse Cleaner is not a card...and man I searched through New Capenna and can't figure out what card you're saying is an auto-include that you could mean in this situation.

  • @Customerbuilder
    @Customerbuilder2 жыл бұрын

    I built Marchesa using that crappy "party" mechanic from Zendikar Rising. I was really hoping it would get support from Forgotten Realms, but it didn't. Thankfully, New Capenna provided a bunch of really fascinating Warriors and Rogues.

  • @DracoX-hz3tu
    @DracoX-hz3tu2 жыл бұрын

    This isn't about the deck itself, but I don't understand how so many people run so few lands in their decks. I've got 35-37 in all 9 of my decks and I STILL get land screwed often.

  • @clanechelon

    @clanechelon

    2 жыл бұрын

    I am there with you. What I realized is people tend to cut lend if they (obviously) have more ramp, but also if they have consistent draw engine as it allows them to cycle through their deck faster.

  • @flying____squirrel16
    @flying____squirrel162 жыл бұрын

    Its my birthday!!! thanks nerds

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    2 жыл бұрын

    Woo! Happy birthday!

  • @TheIrrelevantYT
    @TheIrrelevantYT2 жыл бұрын

    I forgot about Marchesa because some of the Modulars are white. Sad to lose Javelineer, but this is gonna be totally WORTH IT. Sorry Zabaz, but I'm not paying 1 red to go -1.

  • @travisbrown1893
    @travisbrown18932 жыл бұрын

    What was the first thing Cherrys said? Welcome to commander church?

  • @JonReid01

    @JonReid01

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lol "tune ups"

  • @JonReid01
    @JonReid012 жыл бұрын

    The mad men actually did it.

  • @togglebott7748
    @togglebott7748 Жыл бұрын

    I have this deck. It’s my beloved baby.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    Жыл бұрын

    It’s a super awesome idea!

  • @togglebott7748
    @togglebott7748 Жыл бұрын

    Lol almost every card added was already in my list

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    Жыл бұрын

    Great minds think alike!

  • @energetek661
    @energetek6612 жыл бұрын

    Amber!🐈

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    2 жыл бұрын

    We love her

  • @Jhyrryl
    @Jhyrryl2 жыл бұрын

    Phyrexian Scriptures

  • @reneweiss96
    @reneweiss962 жыл бұрын

    well as a marchesa hardmain buildig around 3-4 different brews i also ended up playing her the Modular way :D after sneak atack reanimator, vampire and wizard tribal and thievery

  • @reneweiss96

    @reneweiss96

    2 жыл бұрын

    some other bombs are metallic mimic, steel overseer, scrap mastery, kuldotha forgemaster and one of my favourites scrapyard reconfigurator

  • @wojciech0wski
    @wojciech0wski2 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant content gus, but please don't shout at the beginning of the video

  • @PyramidHeadLovesYou
    @PyramidHeadLovesYou2 жыл бұрын

    I disagree, Farewell is one of the best board wipes in commander and its been seeing A LOT of play since its been out. Expect to see it even going into a random pod.

  • @rend7979

    @rend7979

    2 жыл бұрын

    With marchesa decks you typically have a sac outlet in play to let your creatures dodge exile removal. Simply sac your board to carrion feeder/altar as farewell is on the stack and at end of turn the whole team is back.

  • @danewirostek1903

    @danewirostek1903

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rend7979 farewell exiles graveyards too right?

  • @Snailster111
    @Snailster1112 жыл бұрын

    First

  • @Snailster111

    @Snailster111

    2 жыл бұрын

    Npn for ever.

  • @HaydenWaddle
    @HaydenWaddle2 жыл бұрын

    with some of the cuts it seems like these guys haven't actually gotten too familiar with gameplay of Marchesa modular......alright includes, but marchesa needs to decide weather shes an early or mid game deck, that should inform on the cards cut and not better than this

  • @nhojryad
    @nhojryad Жыл бұрын

    Wow this is like a complete void of personality. It's hard for me to be interested in what you're talking about when you two have the cadence of infomercial hosts.

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