Who finishes higher, Manchester United or Arsenal? 🤔

@thereckon3592

Жыл бұрын

As a United fan, I'd definitely say United but I'd not be disappointed if we didn't in this season. Erik ten Hag needs time to play his football and we already love what he has been able to do even though the team isn't currently playing his kind of football. On the other hand Arteta really has not many excuses left if he doesn't reach the top 4 this season though.

@billydolton7252

Жыл бұрын

@Sky Bet - was this video filmed after man utd's 3-1 win v arsenal on sunday or was this filmed monday night ??

@petmik5022

Жыл бұрын

Leicester 😀

@thereckon3592

Жыл бұрын

@@billydolton7252 7:58

@joe-mama94

Жыл бұрын

United fan here, I’m very happy with our recent performances but I have to say Arsenal. United still has a long way to go, we still need to improve in a lot of areas.

Fair play to Joe for calling out how Carragher thinks 6 games is "too early to judge" Martinez, when he'd already judged him after two games.

@princenaseem295

Жыл бұрын

Time was that?

@TPH250290

Жыл бұрын

@@princenaseem295 5:05 Adam said it just before to be fair, didn't catch it the first time.

@ih4447

Жыл бұрын

Maguire and Shaw were the problem for the first two games. Martinez has won two MOTM awards, from what I've seen he is more than capable of being a top level CB in the PL. Because Carragher was so vocal of his criticism of Martinez he is just refusing to backtrack and will have a Souness/Pogba type agenda for the remainder of his United career.

@rockymaniaster

Жыл бұрын

@@ih4447 still i wouldn't say he is bad or even great. Wait for the season. I would like to see him play against more physical people. Like Antonio, Watkins, Kane etc. They are taller and more physical. Martinez has good positioning and pace. Let's see how much strength he has. If he handles all of them then he is destined to be one of the best.

@Taylor___

Жыл бұрын

@@ih4447 So right. I saw this in pre season

The Athletic lads are quality on this, adding proper depth to the discussion that I always want to see from the Sky/BT pundits. Haven't seen these smaller fan debates after games before, but they are top. Need to happen regularly.

@am5790

Жыл бұрын

spirit of fan channel but finest of corporate staging/directing...........The Athletics reps are good bridge.

@akaskinz1856

Жыл бұрын

They are miles better than tv ex player pundits

@philosophy_bot4171

Жыл бұрын

Beep, bop... I'm the Philosophy Bot. Here, have a quote: "Do or do not. There is no try" ~ Yoda

@philosophy_bot4171

Жыл бұрын

Beep, bop... I'm the Philosophy Bot. Here, have a quote: "Education is the kindling of a flame, not the filling of a vessel" ~ Socrates

David Ornstein is so goated. Would love to hear more from him, especially postgame tactical analysis.

@timtamothy51

Жыл бұрын

Is he the guy on the far left? I find him pretty annoying actually

@M4NA5

Жыл бұрын

@@timtamothy51 No, that’s Carra

@omalone1169

Жыл бұрын

@@M4NA5 do you follow the athletic

@lowrider995

Жыл бұрын

@@omalone1169 Do you follow sarcasm?

This is the perfect dynamic. Fours fans sandwiched by Ex-Footballer pundits and respected journalists getting into the nitty gritty of their respective clubs. Absolutely brilliant chat. This should be a regular piece of content!!!

@thejohnoreillymusic

Жыл бұрын

I like your points Pat Mustard. I'm guessing you'll be off on your rounds again 😉

@HardcoreIrishhistory

Жыл бұрын

Now off to ride Mrs. O'Reilly.

@thejohnoreillymusic

Жыл бұрын

Flat out watering the plants with milk these days so she is 😅

@thejohnoreillymusic

Жыл бұрын

Let us now stand for the national anthem... "this town ahhh ah, coming like a ghost town..."

@snkneo-geo933

Жыл бұрын

Lyle shouldn't be representing arsenal 🤦‍♂️

David and Carl - very insightful and articulate. They should be on as regularly as possible!

@akhileshkb31

Жыл бұрын

Not Carl he doesn’t get to the point every time

@yugam-jain

Жыл бұрын

You should check the Athletic Football Podcast, they make regular appearances on it along with loads of other great journalists.

@timtamothy51

Жыл бұрын

David talks like he's writing... If he could talk like a natural person, then I'd get around him

@sacred1827

Жыл бұрын

@@akhileshkb31 Carl was the best person on this show. If you don't get that then stick to TalkSport

So glad they got the Athletic boys on here. Giving unbiased opinions and facts supported by data and knowledge. Turns it from a pub chat anyone can have to something far more insightful.

@craigcassidy6078

Жыл бұрын

🤮

@sujalnaik9896

Жыл бұрын

The athletic boys made the video for me. All their opinions were backed up by real examples from the past which added a lot of substance and I really enjoyed it.

@buddajjl

Жыл бұрын

I felt like everything they said just felt like cliché after cliché.. it was almost like someone who doesn't watch football, studying fixtures and results, and then talking about it

@whyteej

Жыл бұрын

@@buddajjl Are you aware of what a cliché is? There were several people that were guilty of cliché in this conversation, and it certainly wasn't the Athletic lads.

@CarlosCasanova9

Жыл бұрын

the athletic have arsenal fans eating out their arse

42:56 Carl's summation of the top 4 debate was spot on. Both Carl and David's insights and arguments were a cut above the rest.

@ugonnao9473

Жыл бұрын

No its not. Chelsea are weird and Tuchel figure it out so they'll finish above both? Well he hasn't figured it out since Jan.

@cuma4893

Жыл бұрын

@@ugonnao9473 if you knew football you'd know Chelsea are WEIRD! They will have the worst season and win thr Champions League, they will lose 5 games and go on a 20 game unbeaten run. They know how to WIN! They figure it out!

@ugonnao9473

Жыл бұрын

​@@cuma4893 So Chelsea will never have a bad league season again? I can also use the season Chelsea finished outside of the Top 4 as a reason why they won't make it. Using history to ignore what's in front of you is not good analysis. They've been playing terribly since Jan and actually have less points than Spurs and Arsenal in that time frame.

The Athletic lads forever showing most ex-footballer pundits how punditry and analysis is really done; unbaised arguments based on facts and statistics. Intellectual stuff but presented in a way that is easily understood. Top stuff!

@sismaibyakutaga9124

Жыл бұрын

Excactly i think The Athletic is not for everyone its for a chosen few intellects who understand the game to a top notch level. Carragher sounded intimitdated by the lads to be honest

@maxi2813

Жыл бұрын

The athletic can do one. Have to pay to read their articles they won't be getting a penny from me anyway. Bundle of wet wipes

@jigsawkid95

Жыл бұрын

they just waffle

@imconfused1237

Жыл бұрын

@@sismaibyakutaga9124 Nah, that’s just patronising nonsense. Football is actually a simple game - that is why it is so successful. If some academics chose to intellectualise it - that’s their prerogative, but don’t confuse that with having some higher understanding. It is precisely this desire to over analyse and to stroke ones ego which gave birth to nonsense such as “xG” and from it, further superfluous metrics and measures. The Athletic were the prime protagonists in pushing this rubbish, as it pushed their intellectual USP narrative. Football is simple. Don’t ever forget it.

@sismaibyakutaga9124

Жыл бұрын

@@imconfused1237 I agree with you to a certain extent. Football is a simple game to understand and shouldn't be made to sound like it's a mathematical stat module at Uni. So my point of intellect came from a place of where the journos at The Athletic don't critic aimlessly with no base and sound like they're attacking individuals like the some pundits and media do. They have constructive criticism and they dig deep with their information that is very credible to know why certain things are happening. I really admire that about them

Excellent debate! This is the format - the combination of real fans, specialist journalists and charismatic ex-players was perfect. Calm and entertaining throughout, and I felt like I learned a lot from everyone.

@BT-ot6gm

Жыл бұрын

Real fans is a bit of a stretch

@delarae9464

Жыл бұрын

@@BT-ot6gm Right on

@Naren25

Жыл бұрын

@@BT-ot6gm I shouldn't engage with trolls, but McKola goes to the ground, pays his money, watches the games. Seems like a fan to me

@joewheeler3210

Жыл бұрын

Bang on Mark

@shashank9638

Жыл бұрын

@@Naren25 McKola is the most deluded united fan I've ever seen in my life

Carragher starts losing the Mourinho argument switches to arsenal transfer window. Still surprises me how some of the pundits are blind to some of the facts if it doesn’t support a narrative. Was Jose backed, in a couple of seasons yes? But last season no. There is a difference.

@ballabel8970

Жыл бұрын

Mourinho wanted maguire😂😂😂😂😂

@seanwilkinson4016

Жыл бұрын

@@ballabel8970 tbf, Maguire would suit a Mourinho system far better than a system that plays a high defensive line

@stefanfernandez7680

Жыл бұрын

@@harrymic75 yeah but you employ the manager to make the footballing decisions. Do you think the board were thinking of Bailey or Lindelof in their decision or it was because they didn’t want to spend the money that year?

@MegaHariboboy

Жыл бұрын

Same shit with Robbie. They're absolutely delusional because they've won a few games in a row. As Adam rightly said, they finished behind a Spurs team last year that switched managers halfway through, and were 1 position above United who had 3 managers and collapsed during the season. When Gary and Joe say that if Jesus is injured Arsenal are done as a top 4 prospect, suddenly Robbie changes what he's talking about. They're acting as if United got completely lucky with all of their goals, rather than the fact that Ten Hag out-managed Arteta in the last 20 minutes of the game. Do they not understand that Ten Hag was also a Pep assistant, and has gotten far further in the Champions League than Arteta ever will, with a worse team? The moment Joe and Adam start talking about how United have a substantially better squad depth then Arsenal, Robbie goes 'you're naming names, I'm naming tactics'. Like yeah Robbie, its all well and good having a great starting XI, but when your backup forward is Eddie Nketiah vs Cristiano Ronaldo, you've lost the debate.

@dios.9586

Жыл бұрын

Everything Mourinho said has been proved right over time. The United owners realised he wasn’t there to make them money, he was there to purely get success and trophies which costs more money than getting top 4 every season.

Carl Anka’s analysis on Martinez height was spot on. Great points

The Athletic guys need their own show. Haven’t heard so much quality analysis for a long time. Brilliant.

@titanjam23

Жыл бұрын

They have their own shows lol

@TheWolfXCIX

Жыл бұрын

Ornstein has a podcast with the Athletic and Carl Anka is fairly often on the Totally Football Show

@harrybellingham98

Жыл бұрын

Tifo, the Athletic all have youtube channels and podcast etc

19:28 is David Ornstein showing why he's a legend. Gary was reading Arteta's subs like 'that's not Pep's way'. And Ornstein explained why it was exactly Pep's way. I love how he just sits in the corner, waits for everyone to finish their turn and then delivers the knockout last word. Brilliant!

@ih4447

Жыл бұрын

Those subs cost Arsenal the game. I'm struggling to see what Arsenal fans see in Arteta. 4th season in and they still haven't made top 4. If that was any other top 6 club he would have been sacked a long time ago.

@paulflewitt5599

Жыл бұрын

@@ih4447 Not an Arsenal fan here, but I can see why they back Arteta. Fact is, they haven't been a top 6 club for a long time, and a progression can be seen on the pitch season on season. He's recruited relatively well, and with a clear plan in motion.

@ShoutItWout

Жыл бұрын

It’s because Ornstein is a journalist in the true sense of the word, he’s not sneaky, he doesn’t play favourites and he doesn’t make shit up. Sky sports have an obsession with Klopp and Pep to the point they act like they never make errors. Ornstein is happy to point out that that simply isn’t true, everyone no matter how great they are at their job, has weaknesses and make errors

@ShoutItWout

Жыл бұрын

@@spinofthewheel5345 for who? 😂😂😂 He’s an Arsenal fan and never hides it but he calls things down the line

@space0612

Жыл бұрын

Not difficult to prove Neville wrong tbf 😂 but agreed, good analysis

Carra cannot let anyone finish their point its unreal 😂

@louisbotha8488

Жыл бұрын

I commented on that as well. He keeps interrupting and can't shut up for a second. I am a big Liverpool fan, but he is becoming annoying.

@Socrates22

Жыл бұрын

He’s terrible, especially when his point is exposed to be nonsense.

@MH-vp7lf

Жыл бұрын

Because he's loud and squeeky its easier for him to be heard so he just shouts and interrupts if anyone makes a good point against his

@WaniZame

Жыл бұрын

Would help if Carl didn’t read out the Silmarillion before getting to his point. Dude waffles for days.

@samscholes9727

Жыл бұрын

If he doesnt get his own way he speaks over them... or spits on them.

The Atheltic lads crushed it here. Absolutely drowned out the noise with quality knowledge

The Athletic lads just showed the difference between showing up having a chat and actually doing research and preparation beforehand😄

@skrrttz

Жыл бұрын

Nope. Just mainly the fact the gooners are dumb af and add nothing

Great idea having Carl Anka and David Ornstein on - brings a calm to debates while having well thought and argued opinions.

@CynicalRapto

Жыл бұрын

Yes. An esteemed journalist and a Twitter weirdo. Good choices!

@pratley6026

Жыл бұрын

The calm debates is because Ty isn’t there

@stuartabbott2307

Жыл бұрын

@@pratley6026 Haha, Fair point!

@mufcok2148

Жыл бұрын

Carl Anka 🤣🤣

Loved this, a great balance of personalities. David Ornstein and Carl Anka added good insight with their calm and collected views which clashed nicely with fan opinion and Jamie and Gary pushing for answers.

@terror9008

Жыл бұрын

Carl Anka is a donut he go f off he writes articles based on his own agenda

@TheTrueTeknician

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the panel selection was top 🙌🏾👏🏾

@aamirmahmood9562

Жыл бұрын

David ornstein is really Mathieu Flamini so I'd say that's pretty biased

@peterlfc1387

Жыл бұрын

The Athletic was a good platform when it started but it’s become like the Man Utd app.

@Gazs93

Жыл бұрын

Anka was shocking

Couldn’t get enough of this debate, didn’t even notice the hour go by but I could have easily listened for 2. Perfect blend of personnel needed for a proper football debate, ex players, die hard fans and sports correspondents. The overlap is my favourite channel on youtube right now and I hope this content continues for a long time.

David and Carl need to be on every episode

Loved the addition of the two Athletic journalists. Both provided a really interesting new perspective and insight, both from a footballing and journalistic perspective, and were very well spoken. I hope they come back in the future

@John_Greek

Жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly.

@FreeOnGoal

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha is this a journalist burner account?!?

@billyhoyle2780

Жыл бұрын

This is sarcasm yeah?

@userJ1J123

Жыл бұрын

Clueless psuedointellectuals. They were awful.

@MrJeffHead

Жыл бұрын

I'm not far in but the United athletic guy isn't up to much. Need to get knowledgeable fans not these fan cam crap as well

David Ornsteins knowledge is top tier. Love his insight

Bobby Moore, England's best centre back ever, was only 5 '10 at a time when big centre forwards was the norm.

This format was so good was a treat to watch, having real fans with informative and educated journalists and two ex-players passionate about football and their former clubs.

ornstein just dropping in is perfect

@CirclingDuck

Жыл бұрын

It looks like he dropped into a pair of trousers 3 sizes too small for him.

Bring JOSE MOURINHO as your next guest to the OVERLAP. Maybe in the WORLD CUP days he'll be available. I think everybody will love that.

@liamo141

Жыл бұрын

No thanks

@invisible3237

Жыл бұрын

Nah he will not come here Just imagine argentina vs portugal final jose pep and klopp commenting on it live

@invisible3237

Жыл бұрын

@@liamo141 get back your place in first team

@bigmansam4504

Жыл бұрын

100% love or hate him Jose is always a good watch

@mansnotbot4160

Жыл бұрын

Why? He only has strident, interesting opinions when he's talking about himself. He was on TalkSport a year or so agi and he was dull as dishwater.

The argument on Martinez boils down to this for me. How did we play with Maguire, park the bus counter attack and he didn’t need pace for a ball in behind he had height to defend loads of Ariel balls because that’s how teams attacked us when we sit in the box. Martinez is going to play in a high line and has 9/10 qualities everywhere but height. His Ariel ability is still extremely underrated. But fact is when you defending playing a high line you face balls in behind not crosses for the majority of the time. You can face 5 crosses when playing a high line per 90 but face 15-20 when parking the bus for example. So yes he’s 5 ft 9 but the risk is actually minimal because the style we play means he isn’t gonna face those deadly crosses into the box anywhere near as often. But he has the pace to defend those balls in behind which Maguire doesn’t and we’ve seen how that went against team who we had a chance to attack and play a high line against at the start of the season. Furthermore we’ve played counter attack and defended deep and won the last 4 only conceding 2 goals and been one of if not best defences in the league when playing the back 4 we have after swapping out Maguire and shaw. And we’ve had to therefore defend all those Ariel balls in the last 4 games. So he’s even proving people wrong there as well already

@craigfoulkes

Жыл бұрын

That photograph of Martinez heading the ball while his leap has him towering over Jamie Vardy. That showed how good he is in the air.

@aries666dc

Жыл бұрын

Maguire is hated alot, somewhat justified but yes it is true his aerial ability is pretty much unmatched. 2 seasons ago, maguire aerial duels stats were higher than van dijk himself. But aerials are not the end all of defending. Maguire is too slow, not agile enough and cant fit in an attacking formation. Martinez, though not as tall, has already shown he can hold his own

@broderickfall

Жыл бұрын

Well said. Don't forget he's also an actual ball playing CB, probably the only one in the team. He's a good player

@thecontextual1one411

Жыл бұрын

You mean 2 years ago when Van Dijk missed 80% of the season?

@mattirwin997

Жыл бұрын

Maguire is not an intelligent defender, he's a blocker, doesn't have the brains to be a man utd ch especially not a captain ffs,its embarrassing how bad he is..he wasn't bad at Leicester yes, but completely different for playing for man utd, fuck me, he's captain and doesn't even know what side of the tunnel to come out of..totally embarrassing!!came on against arsenal and got booked within 10mins ffs,he's a liability..not good enough end of!!!!!

These need to be made more often, what a great combination of ex players and known pundits, fans voice and credible journalist. This is an awesome format!

This show just show why Carragher and Neville driven by emotions , experience & perception rather than insightful analysis of the game...those fans and the athletic experts seem to know a lot more

@mattj1829

Жыл бұрын

To be fair Nev and Carra were there to ask questions and some of these questions were designed to provoke emotion in the other panel. They did a good job.

Anyone else just love the fact these fans have got themselves in a position where they’re sat amongst ex legends of the game, chatting about their teams with clarity and conviction. Hats off to them for carving out this opportunity for themselves.

@TheHorseBurger

Жыл бұрын

100% agree. All four were brilliant on this

@mediacenterman8583

Жыл бұрын

100%. The mutual validation is very wholesome!

David ornately and Carl legends calmness and really well thought out points

Brilliant segment as always! Having Orni and Anka on as well offered a fresh level of insight to the show.

Glad to see Sky finally realising that online media such as the Athletic is so far ahead of where they are now. Hopefully they continue to adopt this, as otherwise they will be overtaken, with the only current draw bring the TV rights

@ivanaleksandartsanev1693

Жыл бұрын

Skybet isn't owned by Sky for a few years now, so this is all Gary's work.

@jacksharkey562

Жыл бұрын

@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 interesting, didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up

David Ornstein is such a legend. Uber reliable with news and so well spoken making salient points

@YoungSoprano90

Жыл бұрын

Calm down m8

@arsenalsvenfc8809

Жыл бұрын

Is he an Arsenal fan?

@veevora6620

Жыл бұрын

@@arsenalsvenfc8809 he said he doesn't support Arsenal (or tottemham)

@EmiSalama9

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the way he comes across is fantastic and instead of saying something controversial/false news always backs it with facts

@craigcassidy6078

Жыл бұрын

Ornstein is full of shit

hands down the best overlap fan debate......articulate, succinct and interesting...thank you guys....

“I think Thomas Tuchel will figure that out sooner rather than later” That aged well. 😂

The fact baresi was in fact 5”7/5”8 and Carra was praising his ability for being 5”10 only amplifies how good he really was

@CrunkKing232

Жыл бұрын

He’s actually listed at 1.76 which is 5’9

@JayIgnition

Жыл бұрын

Cannavaro is a Balon D'or winner and was just under 5'8

@kobydark5418

Жыл бұрын

@@JayIgnition cannavaro is 5'9 as well

@Stegibbon

Жыл бұрын

Nobby Stiles played next to Bobby Moore and was 5 foot bloody 6 in an era where you could elbow him in the face all game. There's a reason he had no teeth and still won so much.

@PaulMorrisseyIRL

Жыл бұрын

Baresi was not 5'7 gtfo 😂

Most of Carra’s viewpoint here are as erratic as his defending back in the days. You’re inviting David Ornstein and Carl Anka from The Athletic and you gotta know what they’re good at (based on their writings and observations). Enjoyed reading and now even enjoying listening to them. Spot on about how it is in the middle of a journey for Arteta, and the pragmatism played by ETH now since he doesn’t likely want United to play like how they’re playing now. It’s all about showing up, giving 100% and heart on the pitch, which is in the end is the bare minimum.

@moonlightshow7

Жыл бұрын

Felt the same about Carra as well. Gary had to step in a few times to steer the conversation when it was getting out of hand.

David Ornstein’s understanding of football as a collective is amazing

@dan.808

Жыл бұрын

Not really seems like he just over complicates it all and tries to be a show off

@rmanS2C

Жыл бұрын

Why do you think it’s amazing?

I love that they do this with fans, adapting with the times.🔥

The genius unconventional decisions was a trademark of Alex Ferguson, playing 7 defenders against Arsenal and still winning, bringing on Macheda as a sub at final who scored and won us title, SAF is truly the Genius of Football.

Martinez should have trolled all the people saying he is only 5 foot 9" by asking for the number 59 shirt

@samkelombebe6400

Жыл бұрын

Height means nothing for a centre back, ask Carles Puyol

@jimmy-zl2qx

Жыл бұрын

Imagine being stuck with 59 to troll people and he starts having a bad patch

Is nothing like it in any other sport (NRL Australia fan) - the level of communication skills and knowledge required by both the pundits and the fans is exceptional - love these

59:20 CARL ANKA , That was one of the Best quote I've ever Heard!!!!!!

It’s really baffling how Maguire survived not getting dropped this long

@naedot.9779

Жыл бұрын

What is baffling is how De Glued hasn't been dropped, the real issue.

@anthonyguiness9

Жыл бұрын

@@naedot.9779 In English please

@humpbacksquarepants5580

Жыл бұрын

@@naedot.9779 How could anyone defend the fridge

@ashersanjan125

Жыл бұрын

​@@naedot.9779 shut up

@SK-ix8jb

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonyguiness9 from what i can understand he's saying why hasn't de gea been dropped

19:19 "Always be the last to speak" David Ornstien demonstrates this perfectly here by absolutely owning everyone in the room :D

@darrenkenyon7024

Жыл бұрын

He stated the obvious

Great idea to have the journos on, serious serious insight there, I think how hooked Gary and Jamie were during some of their segments speaks volumes!

Thanks for having us guys!

@manchild84

Жыл бұрын

Well done Joe!

@Nissangtr786

Жыл бұрын

I like how Robbie bigged up how far ahead they finished ahead of Man Utd. They were lucky really to finish that high up. Must be the first team to finish 5th and be 17th for big chances created with 39, the lowest in there history. In fact Arteta has Arsenal lowest big chances created stat every year. He is one of the worst managers. Basically how they played at OT is them playing well, lots of passes and not many clear chances all game.

@90TAnkit

Жыл бұрын

@@Nissangtr786 it wasn't luck and we were 10 points above united. Obviously everyone knew about how poor we were with Lacazette up top and now we have Jesus. Jesus is a much higher quality striker that runs short and in behind. It took Arsenal 9 games to score 9 goals and this season took 3 games.

@TheJackdiripper

Жыл бұрын

UTFP!

@hootingeagleowl1268

Жыл бұрын

You guys are deluded, finished 11 points behind Arsenal & you think you finished just behind us. Remember we ended your top 4 chance a about a month before the season ended. We were fighting for top 4 right until penultimate game. 🤡 Channel 🤣

David Ornstein should really have a YT channel. I would watch every video. The way he handles himself and waits for the right opportunity to speak and especially the way he explains things is just to see and hear.

Can we turn up the lighting a bit for the next one plz?

Excellent mature discussion. The whole group of people were very intelligent and articulate with their comments. It was a pleasure to watch. Brilliant!!!

I love how the Man Utd side answered Cara's question about transfers! The reactionary nature and lack of a transfer strategy is our biggest weakness as a club .

@samwize28

Жыл бұрын

exactly this. People just see the number of the total spend (£200m this summer) and expect us to be happy. Even though they know the context of that spend is a joke. What makes it worse (as pointed out by Joe Smith here) is that we keep being promised that the strategy will change etc, but it never does. Glazers out.

@ANGELOFDARKification

Жыл бұрын

Rival fans just see statistics about our spend and us supporting new signings as if we want the Glazers! Obviously as fans we want our players to do well and will cheer them even if it's the wrong recruitment

@samwize28

Жыл бұрын

@@ANGELOFDARKification well said. Whatever we do as Utd fans rivals will find an angle to attack. Ignore them and treat them like the childish trolls they are. Roll on Thursday night

love it when Ornstein drops straight facts from outta nowhere

Keep this line up INCREDIBLE POINTS AND DEBATES ♥️

"If you're watching this and you're 5'9" I feel bad for you" had me dying 🤣

This is how a debate must be conducted.. please do it more often.. love from India 🇮🇳

It's so refreshing hearing proper journalists speak on this. Please more of this format in future.

@PaulMorrisseyIRL

Жыл бұрын

What is a 'proper journalist?' Everyone is a proper journalist in 2022 😂

@stephengibbons2260

Жыл бұрын

@@PaulMorrisseyIRL qualified I supposed (even though McKola does have a degree), Paul. More articulate. Less likely to rant and rave, and scream "ratio".

The Athletic guys... Hold my beer boys. We'll give you an in-depth break down of both clubs. Next level. Need to have them on regularly.

I really like this format and hope they do it for more clubs in the future. It does feel like there’s always a heavy focus on few specific clubs but hopefully Overlap can give some shine on all of them for the fans

Next: Gary Neville Meets Simon Jordan from TalkSport! 👍

@pedropierre9594

Жыл бұрын

Simon Jordan vs TY

@Tdoggg

Жыл бұрын

In a KZread boxing event 🥊

@o377691

Жыл бұрын

really want to see that!

@jerrysinclair4645

Жыл бұрын

Don’t give that w⚓️ Simon jordan the attention he wants

@soup8786

Жыл бұрын

Simon is a nothing person in the sports world.

What a fantastic blend of content creators. Great video.

wow. love this show. refreshing and just captivating. keep it up!

Excellent watch 10/10 This is the standard of how these conversations need to be done

Robbie.. Robbie.. “to pull it ALL THE WAY BACK to disallow the goal” bro it literally was THE ASSIST! “Counter-attacking style” well the 1st goal we played you into pressing United, there was literally 18 passes and every United player touched the ball before the goal. Carra even said he admired Ten Hag for doing that right after you.

@SR2active

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. It was a key part of the goal, was a few seconds before

@dannymac23

Жыл бұрын

Bloke is a biased clown.

@arsenewenger49

Жыл бұрын

It weren’t the assist 🤣 odegaard made the challenge, Saka made the assist

Love having some Athletic lads in to bring in more professional, analytic points

This is the one. This format is much better!

Actually enjoyed this show.. 👌 respectful debates and comprehensive in points covered.

Loved this! More of this for top 6 games please. Bring fans of both sides to come and sit and have a chat about the game

Gary Neville keeps asking the question, why the big change? Where its come from. Its quite simple. He's dropped those horrible players in Maguire, Shaw AWB and Lindelof. The back 4 has been totally revamped. The midfield has a deep lying playmaker in Eriksen. ETH has dropped the egos. He's controlling the team. Simple.

@siouzsie

Жыл бұрын

@Lance Strudwick That’s because all the media talks about is Ronaldo being dropped, yet it remains silent over Maguire being dropped. I mean how deliberately disingenuous of Neville to claim he hasn’t a clue why Manchester United turned it around after the the initial disaster when he knows it’s the change ETH made to the defense. He dropped Ronaldo because he has had to tweak the style to be more counter attacking formation and Ronaldo isn’t fast enough for that.

@Shaggy-8392

Жыл бұрын

@@siouzsie - I think he knows and leaves it to the fans to elaborate.

@-j308

Жыл бұрын

@Lance Strudwick Because it's not true. If you watched the arsenal United game, United banged two in as soon as Ronaldo came on because his presence alone dragged two defenders to him and allowed Rashford space to play into. Whose a scarier attacking prospect, one half of the two best players of this generation or Marcus Rashford? Ronaldo doesn't have to do anything, him being there is enough of an attacking threat. It's why Son of Tottenham scores a lot of goals, Harry Kanes presence drags defenders away from their space.

@ANGELOFDARKification

Жыл бұрын

Maguire, Shaw and Lindelof are way too soft to be considered egotistical but I understand your point. You forgot to add Ronaldo too.

@DiabeticRaichu

Жыл бұрын

@Lance Strudwick I was gonna say bro lmao like the reason United scored those two goals was because Arsenal insisted on their high line and Rashford was always gonna abuse that. It's not like that plan was just dead in the water until Ronaldo came on. Also kinda bullshit for that guy to credit those goals to Ronaldo because they happened after he came on when you know what else happened 2 MINUTES after Ronaldo got on the field? Arsenal equalized, but mentioning that would ruin his narrative

Love the new show, brilliant 👏🏽

It was great having the journalists there to bring more balanced and nuanced takes

loving the overlap, the best sky programme by far

@mat2040

Жыл бұрын

not sure if this belongs to sky tho. I thought this was Gary's channel and he just partners with sky bet

@anotheryoutubeuser

Жыл бұрын

I believe Mat Rp is right. Gary shopped the show around to several TV networks and none of them fancied it. So, he decided to start it as a KZread channel because KZread is more affordable.

@RB-NZ2

Жыл бұрын

@@mat2040 “sky bet” clue is in the name lad

@Zeppelin180

Жыл бұрын

@@RB-NZ2 Sky Bet was sold by Sky in 2018, separate companies. Hope that clears it up, lad 👍

@RB-NZ2

Жыл бұрын

@@Zeppelin180 fact you know that shows you’ve a gambling problem mate

Beautiful show, need more of this every week

It's mad how quick things move in football especially early in the season, love to hear what they all think about the top 4 now after Liverpool are stuttering & Chelsea have a new manager.....

These fan debates aren't the same without the cool, calm, collected, totally unbiased voice of Ty

@moustaphamoussabouh9985

Жыл бұрын

and his scarf haha

Still strange that very little gets mentioned that when he dropped Maguire, the team's fortune changed tremendously.

@jakefell91

Жыл бұрын

Because he's English and they don't want to hurt his feelings before the World Cup. I'm English but it's so obvious that they try to protect English players above others.

@imranhashmi3858

Жыл бұрын

English bias mate, no one blames maguire and shaw.

@magikarpsplashy

Жыл бұрын

Because that's not the only reason. If you haven't noticed a change in play style and believe it's literally all down to Maguire not playing you're not paying enough attention. Shaw has been a more important change than Maguire

@jethwa10

Жыл бұрын

Add Shaw and Ronaldo to that too

@jakehoward2493

Жыл бұрын

@@magikarpsplashy it's undeniable that dropping Maguire has played a huge part in the turn of fortune

It was a foul. That Erickson foul is getting conflated in with the other terrible VAR decisions at the weekend as if it's somewhat comparable. It was slow, poor play from Erickson but he gives him a slight push in the back, kicks his leg and makes zero contact with the ball. It's also a challenge from behind. It's a foul.

@TPH250290

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I really don't get the discussion. People talking about "the game's gone soft" but I've been playing and watching football for 25 years and pushing someone in the back has always been a foul.

@elookay-emaviwe7153

Жыл бұрын

It was the right decision, but it’s the clear and obvious bit which frustrates me. The ref was right in front of it, and didn’t think it was a foul until he watching a slow mo 50 times pushed him to what was the right decision. And you can guarantee they’ll be a challenge like that in every game from now until the end of the season and it won’t get called.

@DedLoko

Жыл бұрын

From an Arsenal perspective there was a “soft foul” on Ramsdale the week before that cost us a goal as it wasn’t given and there could have been a penalty on Nketia from Maguire who grabbed his neck and never played the ball. It’s the consistency or lack there of that frustrates more than the actual decision which was probably was a foul on Eriksen.

@magikarpsplashy

Жыл бұрын

I don't really think the argument is whether it's a foul or not, it's whether VAR should be bringing the game back for that. We scored a goal against Liverpool a few seasons back where Lindelof fouled Origi just before we scored. I'd have been fuming if they disallow that for a foul in the other half of the pitch. Even as a United fan, I don't think that goal should be disallowed, however the ref should've seen the foul. Arsenal didn't lose because they had a goal ruled out in the 12th minute though

@paulmallon9292

Жыл бұрын

Thats my basic point. The decision was correct. We can discuss the implementation of VAR which obviously needs a lot of work especially around consistency of decisions. But this decision was correct and it being not given, incorrectly in other games doesn't mean the wrong decision should be made on this one in the interest of balance.

Carl anke may be the most intelligent and one of the most articulate journalists I've ever listened to the guys a genius

Brilliant discussion thoroughly enjoyed 👍🏼

I'm so glad David was on here because listening to him I feel more intelligent than before the video started.

To me being 5ft9 is no different to being a defender who is slow, or isn’t great on the ball or isn’t built like a tank - as long as every other aspect of your game is on point you can play and even excel at the position.

@dontchatbreeze

Жыл бұрын

yes but for two equally capable centre backs, height is definitely an advantage. cb are expected to win the most headers and provide threats from set pieces. not as important as being at least 6ft 1 for a goalkeeper though

@benitotommassi5820

Жыл бұрын

Jamie carragher should be an expert in building a successful career at centre half whilst not possessing certain skills. He's not exactly a giant himself either

Ankaman and Ornstein are great additions! Would love to see more of them.

It’s nice to see the overlap have some focus on mid table teams for once. 👍🏻

nothing wrong with playing counter attack and getting the win. it looked as if arsenal played much better but the xg for the game was pretty much the same. 1.47 vs 1.52. ten hag won the brain battle this game. good for him. hope he does well.

@yugam-jain

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's about being efficient. When Arsenal were dominating the ball in the end of the first half and the beginning of the second half, they had a few good chances, with at least 2 they should have definitely scored, before United's 2nd goal. Up until that point, Arsenal were largely leading United in most metrics, but the goal and Arsenal's substitutions changed the game. Eventually, Arsenal made a mistake in a defensive transition and United scored their third. At this point, their xG largely became equivalent. United defended well as a team to see the game out then. If Arsenal were more clinical in their finishing the game could have been very well won by them, and we might have been bashing United for not trying to play as much and trying to hit Arsenal on the counter. As is with so many other PL games, this was a game of moments.

@Lucky-to7ly

Жыл бұрын

18 passes before the first goal isnt counter attacking lol arsenal fans just so salty

@basicaccount4315

Жыл бұрын

Mikel is levels abover ten hag

@Lucky-to7ly

Жыл бұрын

@@basicaccount4315 😂😂😂😂 keep tellin urself that. 3 years in still fuk all to show for it.

@18raised

Жыл бұрын

@@Lucky-to7ly ten Haag needs nearly 300ms in his first season😂 let’s see if he’ll win even a “little” fa cup like Mikel

the only issue I have with our performance was the game management from Arteta. After we scored to make it 1-1 it felt like we went to schoolboy mode where it was everyone was bombing forward and everyone out of position. We needed the manager captain to step up and tell them lets just calm it down and try not to force it which is what cost us in the end.

@miniman2132

Жыл бұрын

Fact is as an Arsenal fan, if you had offered me a 1-1 draw at Old Trafford 5 minutes after United were smashed 4-0 by Brentford I would have snatched your hand off .. Arsenal always, without fail, s*** themselves at Old Trafford, any result would have been a victory.

@yester9037

Жыл бұрын

United couldn't get out of their half for the first 20 mins of the 2nd half, so you can see why Arteta was going for the 2nd.It was just a defensive lapse

@Lifewithgoldbridge121

Жыл бұрын

@@yester9037 That's not true Arsenal played very good, but the first 10 min, it was all Utd. Until Arsenal scored that disallowed goal, when Utd sit back.

@jjshinz1194

Жыл бұрын

@@Lifewithgoldbridge121 he said the second half, Arsenal did dominate the game

@Alfairyman1

Жыл бұрын

@@jjshinz1194 They dominated possession, that does not equate to dominating the game. United scored more goals, had twice Arsenals shots on target, De Gea only really had to make one save. United had far, far better chances.

Congratulations to both sets of owners for running tremendously profitable clubs, responsibly, and starting to enjoy footballing success.

Defiintely more Overlap Fan Debate Extra please!!

Carra's had a bad performance here... Rash tackles flying around, constant poor positioning, underwhelming passing breaking down the rhythm of play, bad communication skills as the captain and concentration on the wrong problems to the detriment of his teammates... Overall, a Harry Maguire level of performance! Expecting a big bounce back in the next match

@luke7283

Жыл бұрын

Your obsession with maguire is embarrassing. You best cope well when a CB inevitably gets injured and he has to play

@ghostofkenny

Жыл бұрын

lol was just gonna comment on this in a far less amusing fashion, so I'm glad i scrolled down. i like Carragher but this was one of his worst performances, it's like he couldn't handle how deliberate Carl was with his words and lost it from there on.

@percy1629

Жыл бұрын

This is top tier. Shame that it went over Luke's head ^^

@ANGELOFDARKification

Жыл бұрын

You would think he was the least likely to be a pundit based off this video

@samscholes9727

Жыл бұрын

Lools like carra has taken his footballing career to punditry then lol

This 5’9” knock against Martinez is getting old really quickly. Especially coming from an extremely bang average CB like Carragher

@samscholes9727

Жыл бұрын

He needs someone to take his anger issues out on, last year it was Ronaldo now its Martinez.

@Jordon168

Жыл бұрын

He’s seems to hate the fact that United are now doing well and he’s getting a bit triggered.

@TheCudder4life

Жыл бұрын

@@Jordon168 He's angry that Liverpool are in the mud.

Carl touched on a very interesting point near the end in that owners of clubs don’t make decisions emotionally how football fans would regarding their clubs which causes frustration. I agree with this to an extent but I think with the Glazers it’s not that they’re making non-emotional decisions it’s that their making poorly calculated decisions with the emphasis always on short-term profit and security of their positions in mind and not the long-term success of the club which would actually secure their priorities way more effectively. The problem we have at Utd is that we always make money, even after what will have been a dire commercial season last season we’re still able to spend and they’re still able to take out their dividends and no meaningful long-term changes get made again really, just changes of personnel employed. Then you factor in the fact that for utd unlike the clubs around us the fans wholly finance our operations and the debt the glazers put on us, rather than the debt being used to finance our short-term operations or having billionaire investment like our rivals, the unaccountable poor decision making of owners who should have never been allowed to have buy the club in the way they did becomes absolutely infuriating.

Gary and Carragher are very good. Although there are some wrong predictions in the past and its their opinions. I still think they are the best pundits right now. If you look ESPN pundits, these two are way ahead. Kuddos to both the teams fans. Looking forward for more.

Maguire and shaw didn't play the pre season games we won....they havn't played the games we won in the league..... So simple

When Joe called out Carragher for judging Martinez after two games when he said 6 games is too early to judge was great. Carragher got a bit aggressive after that, thought he was gonna spit on Joe at one point. Cretin.

@lloyd_r

Жыл бұрын

can give it out, connot take it at all. 🔔🔚

@cpt1255

Жыл бұрын

Time stamp?

Brilliant show as always

Excellent format. If you read The Athletic you'll know Ornstein and Anka know their stuff.

Sky have really upped their game recently with these types of specials. I think they’ve realised the quality of punditry/analysis out there on KZread they’ve realised people like to hear from real fans, not just ex players who always have an agend👏

@MrJeffHead

Жыл бұрын

Think is the people they choose aren't particularly knowledgeable. Surely you'd see yourself and peers much more knowledgeable than these clowns they trot out? There lack of knowledge screams through and they've only been into football since KZread started paying. Shocking representation of the fan base.

@benkolade3173

Жыл бұрын

KZreadrs aren’t real fans, most of them are paid actors that support other clubs, if they want real opinions then they need real fans

@jtfc7286

Жыл бұрын

@@MrJeffHead you’re right in some cases but I’d rather that than hearing some of the dreadful pundits rattle on. The only thing they have going for them is that they’re former players, a lot of them are incredibly out of touch with reality and at least on the overlap debates there’s some truth in there.

@jtfc7286

Жыл бұрын

@@benkolade3173 I’d disagree with this, maybe it’s become that way more recently but a lot of the football KZread channels started out very genuine. I get that AFTV etc have become a joke now but I’d rather hear their opinions than some of the pundits …

@benkolade3173

Жыл бұрын

@@jtfc7286 that’s a low bar though, at least ex pros have actually played the game, the KZreadrs that go the games these days spend the whole game filming themselves and fake reacting to everything, a real fan gets lost in the game, I don’t take my phone out my pocket during the game because I’m involved in it, these KZreadrs are just impersonating fans

love ornstein. pure class same with carl anka. just let them speak they know their stuff and convey knowledge in a well spoken way.

This was quality. Great content!

Watched whole thing, good stuff.