Making Mail Armour - part two: triangles and expansions

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In this second video on making mail, I first tell you why I often make it one triangular piece at a time, and then go on to show you how to do the easier and more useful type of contraction/expansion: that 'with the grain'.
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Making Mail Armour - part two: triangles and expansions
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  • @TheErebusGaming
    @TheErebusGaming8 жыл бұрын

    'A satisfying click' - Never have I heard a more accurate description. I kept thinking this in part one, and I'm glad Lindy agrees.

  • @rickparry255

    @rickparry255

    8 жыл бұрын

    +TheErebusGaming My thoughts exactly.

  • @MenwithHill

    @MenwithHill

    8 жыл бұрын

    Like bursting bubble wrap but you actually achieve something.

  • @brumalogresteer4124

    @brumalogresteer4124

    7 жыл бұрын

    when riveting there is an even more satisfying click.😃

  • @danieltaylor5542
    @danieltaylor55428 жыл бұрын

    Gotta admit my first thought when I read mail armour and triangles was "Oh no Llyod's making a chain mail bikini"

  • @rekabneb

    @rekabneb

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Daniel Taylor bolted onto some soft leather that might be quite comfortable

  • @sophieszobonya3175

    @sophieszobonya3175

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Daniel Taylor You, sir, made my day. You really need more upvotes but at least you have to stay at the top of the comments...

  • @Zappygunshot

    @Zappygunshot

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Daniel Taylor That would also explain the 'expainsions'

  • @willythemailboy2

    @willythemailboy2

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Daniel Taylor There's only one fun part about making a chain mail bikini, and that's making the personal finishing adjustments to get that perfect fit. It's less fun if the person you're making it for isn't your wife, and a lot less fun if that person isn't your wife and your wife finds out about it.

  • @Zappygunshot

    @Zappygunshot

    8 жыл бұрын

    willythemailboy2 You mean it's a lot *more* fun if that person isn't your wife and your wife *doesn't* find out about it

  • @JimFortune
    @JimFortune8 жыл бұрын

    Now imagine welding or riveting every single one of the rings!

  • @WhatIsSanity

    @WhatIsSanity

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Jim Fortune He doesn't plan on getting stabbed any time soon so it's not necessary, Maybe He will for recreational purposes.

  • @PsylomeAlpha

    @PsylomeAlpha

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Jim Fortune I have. I found riveting to be quicker and easier than welding or soldering, as well as being less dangerous. my hands are far more impact resistant than heat resistant.

  • @JimFortune

    @JimFortune

    8 жыл бұрын

    PsylomeAlpha I salute your patience and dedication! How long did it take?

  • @PsylomeAlpha

    @PsylomeAlpha

    8 жыл бұрын

    Jim Fortune not done yet. the punch I was using to poke holes for the rivets snapped off and I've been rather low on money as of late. all I know is that with my current tools it took me about two hours to weld one ring, another hour to solder another, and about five minutes to figure out how to rivet one properly. the riveting was down to about one to two rings a minute when the punch broke.

  • @WhatIsSanity

    @WhatIsSanity

    8 жыл бұрын

    PsylomeAlpha Whoa slow down there! You might hurt Your self at that speed.

  • @yellowfolder
    @yellowfolder8 жыл бұрын

    Your patience is almost Saint-like. You could say you have the patience of a Saint. Why are Saints patient, you might ask? Well, we still don't know, but the answer will eventually come.

  • @Cookiesdiefrombehind

    @Cookiesdiefrombehind

    8 жыл бұрын

    +yellowfolder Because they are acted upon by the evils of the world. That is why they are the patient and not the agent. :P

  • @Zappygunshot

    @Zappygunshot

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Alexander Salt Among the evils of the world is ruining a perfectly good joke.

  • @Cookiesdiefrombehind

    @Cookiesdiefrombehind

    8 жыл бұрын

    Zap Gun Well I didn't get the joke, so there's that.

  • @PsylomeAlpha

    @PsylomeAlpha

    8 жыл бұрын

    +yellowfolder greeting the shuffling, fetid, moronic masses with a gracious smile.

  • @thagrit

    @thagrit

    6 жыл бұрын

    yellowfolder But only f you are patient enough for it.

  • @SALSN
    @SALSN8 жыл бұрын

    Damn you, I have enough time consuming hobbies and unfinished projects, and now I want to make mail as well...

  • @LycharVideo

    @LycharVideo

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Simon Als Nielsen Making a full piece of armor is indeed veryyyy long. But you can make a small square of mail in a week-end and then play with if. It's a very funny and weird texture, and you don't have to invest in any expensive tools. Just 2 pliers (I highly recomment to get smaller ones than in the video), a cutting plier, a steel rod and some wire ;)

  • @SALSN

    @SALSN

    8 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like a good way to try it out (just have a little coke and see if it is for me :-P) But seriously; cool videos, I think I will try it out :-)

  • @PsylomeAlpha

    @PsylomeAlpha

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Simon Als Nielsen I need to buy a new punch so I can get back to riveting the mail.

  • @shipofbats9134

    @shipofbats9134

    4 жыл бұрын

    LycharVideo So needle nose pliers?

  • @zejdland

    @zejdland

    3 жыл бұрын

    the more the better kzread.info/dash/bejne/dIaVlc-zltynoqw.html

  • @qwerfa
    @qwerfa8 жыл бұрын

    I imagine Lloyd getting hundreds of pics of chainmail in 9 months and wondering what it is all about.

  • @FearTheLivingDFG
    @FearTheLivingDFG8 жыл бұрын

    I don't think I have the patience for something like this.

  • @GrimReaperNight666

    @GrimReaperNight666

    8 жыл бұрын

    I don't think I have the intelligence for something like this.

  • @correctorer

    @correctorer

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Dominic G Thats somewhat of a grandmothers hobby rather than a fun way to spend time.

  • @VelmiVelkiZrut

    @VelmiVelkiZrut

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Dominic G You'd be surprised - just do it while watching TV or something.

  • @tezpokemonmaster

    @tezpokemonmaster

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Dominic G I already make gundams, I think I can manage this.

  • @alfatazer_8991

    @alfatazer_8991

    8 жыл бұрын

    +crunchy joe I make Gundam models too! Nub removal and cleaning is a pain in the ass honestly. I prefer the construction and painting part of building a model. Sometimes I wish Bandai would just mold individual pieces nub-free but that would raise the cost of a single model to asinine amounts!

  • @Biedrik4
    @Biedrik48 жыл бұрын

    "Send me pictures of your finished items." Several months later...

  • @filippoeich1180
    @filippoeich1180 Жыл бұрын

    I finally ordered the hoops to make my first one! Can't wait to start!!!

  • @ze_rubenator
    @ze_rubenator8 жыл бұрын

    It's just like knitting. For men =P

  • @chrthiel

    @chrthiel

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Ze Rubenator Manly knitting. In steel!

  • @Birdblizzard

    @Birdblizzard

    8 жыл бұрын

    It's just like knitting, but it will shred your fingers.

  • @ABaumstumpf

    @ABaumstumpf

    8 жыл бұрын

    +chrthiel Now i want to knit a mail.... give me some god damn steel-wire and the strongest knitting-needles you got !

  • @taitai300

    @taitai300

    8 жыл бұрын

    It's a lot more similar to crochet in my opinion.

  • @taitai300

    @taitai300

    8 жыл бұрын

    Also bought me and my father knit/crochet.

  • @noahtipton7302
    @noahtipton73028 ай бұрын

    Thank you! That was the clearest explanation of expansions and contractions I've found. I just picked up the hobby and there are 1000s of videos on people's various methods of assembling 4-1, 6-1, etc but very few good explanations of actually shaping it into anything

  • @Covenant-R
    @Covenant-R8 жыл бұрын

    I've done a mail-shirt earlier, short sleeves so basically it looks like a chain mail nightgown, or a very long steel t-shirt. But we used a springy kind of steel and pliers that slightly opened them up and let the natural steel in the ring have it shut itself. Not nearly as secure as the above type of rings, and snags a fair bit easier. But that type is much, much quicker to build, since you can fasten each ring with only one hand and pick up the rings with the pliers themselves. We basically did 4-in-1 - pattern as above, and saw too it that we would have the the connections horizontally. That is, you start with a vertical row of rings, add another vertical row connecting each ring to two, then another, etc. When worn with that orientation, the mail has a straight in the horizontal, and hangs tight in the vertical, which makes it look a fair bit denser. Now, you could always either make it of thicker rings (harder), or use a 6-in-1-patter(much harder). Both of those would make it heavier and thicker. But unless you actually need the protection, quite unnecessary. We basically build 25 cm large squares or ribbons and then fastened them together in certain patterns together with triangles to get it it into shape. But then, being 5 people working together, doing ribbons, makes one mail decently quick. Basically you can build a full mail-shirt in an evening, or evening and a night before you go to a live with it.

  • @ualuuanie
    @ualuuanie8 жыл бұрын

    LOL this reminds me of my DnD days where I made a ring mail out of paper clips.

  • @adamjewell422
    @adamjewell4228 жыл бұрын

    Lindybeige.. I've really been enjoying all you vids the past few days. discovered you randomly searching for something ancient greece related.. very informative.. and funny in that Brit Humor way that most Americans can't understand..

  • @StrunDoNhor
    @StrunDoNhor8 жыл бұрын

    This is something I could get into. This might sound a bit strange, but I'm rather fond of excessively repetitive tasks. As Lindy mentioned this in his first 'Making Mail' video, there's something very therapeutic about work like this. It's one of those things where you get comfortable, queue up a view KZread videos, and spend the next few hours doing. The best part is that at the end of it all you're left with a very tangible result. A completed piece of mail is something that you can hold, something that you can wear, and then reflect on and go, "Holy cow, I made this!" *That* is a satisfying feeling.

  • @LycharVideo

    @LycharVideo

    8 жыл бұрын

    +StrunDoNhor I can't agree more. If you have an office work, making mail at the end of the day can be very relaxing once you have a little experience (and don't have to think of what you are doing any more)

  • @JPTebbe
    @JPTebbe8 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much. I've got to say that I don't watch all the videos you upload. But if I'm watching them, they are always worth it. I'm learning something while it's entertaining. Greetings from Germany!

  • @TheSwedishDrummer
    @TheSwedishDrummer8 жыл бұрын

    1:52 The way you say "... so you can get a better look at the pattern." is so so satisfying.

  • @ooloncolluphid7904
    @ooloncolluphid79047 жыл бұрын

    Wow... I've been making pieces off & on, here & there for years, and never thought about the heating trick. Best KZread tip I've gotten all year!

  • @beckhamhome
    @beckhamhome8 жыл бұрын

    Very informative. You also have the patience of a saint. How you can go from ranting in one video to knitting steel in another is well lifted from mere mortal coils.

  • @eurekamaruu6836
    @eurekamaruu68368 жыл бұрын

    Another good morale booster (assuming a simple-ish european weave of maile, like 4-in-1 or 6-in-1) is to pre-butt half of your links, which makes everything seem to go much faster. For every link you actually close onto the finished coif, you can add another that's already closed, making yourself think you're going much faster than you actually are. It's also easier to avoid sharp protruding edges when the link you're closing isnt hooked into a 20 pound mass of constantly shifting metal.

  • @w.reidripley1968

    @w.reidripley1968

    Жыл бұрын

    You can pre-open butted links in huge batches swiftly. Take the coil before you cut it. Grab each end and pull the coil out to a bit over twice its original length. That's about 200 links all opened up in about two seconds. Cut these stretched links off the stretched coil just as you would an ordinary coil. Store separately from your raw or preclosed links, for they tangle. Do this with about half your supply of wire coils, as about half your links need to be preopened and you preclose the other half.

  • @johnadams8385
    @johnadams83854 жыл бұрын

    Legit some of the best info I've found on this subject. Cheers man

  • @hoplite669
    @hoplite6698 жыл бұрын

    I love your videos, Lindybeige! Much more entertaining than all of that crap we got on TV here in Germany...

  • @crusader2410
    @crusader24108 жыл бұрын

    Very nice work! I have never made my own maillie garments 'from scratch', though I have tailored my hauberk and coif so that they are joined together to make a shirt with a hood- lots and lots of contractions there :)

  • @MrKINETTIC
    @MrKINETTIC8 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for doing this series, not many places to see this type of thing!

  • @Hiobdasgrosse
    @Hiobdasgrosse8 жыл бұрын

    REALY nice tip with the ofen! Thanks a lot!

  • @Condottier
    @Condottier8 жыл бұрын

    I used to braid ropes as a hobby; but still I'm amazed by your patience doing this.

  • @tichepotato7992
    @tichepotato79928 жыл бұрын

    I do definitely not have the patience to do this. However, I'm very glad you do, so I can watch you do it instead of doing it myself.

  • @dannyeisenga
    @dannyeisenga8 жыл бұрын

    I just watched Knyght Errant's video on mail shirts the other day. He talked about how, unlike cheaper modern ones, historical mail shirts were tailored, and I was just wondering how to do expansions and contractions when this video popped up. Cool!

  • @lindybeige

    @lindybeige

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Danny Eisenga My website is much clearer on this.

  • @maggoli67
    @maggoli678 жыл бұрын

    Lovely work!

  • @frh6668
    @frh66688 жыл бұрын

    That end message was gold

  • @amorphusensanity
    @amorphusensanity8 жыл бұрын

    I started once. I was using dreadfully large copper rings and was too young to have the patience to make it particularly far. Maybe after a few other projects, I will get around to trying it again after these couple videos.

  • @sunnmringenriksheim7812
    @sunnmringenriksheim78128 жыл бұрын

    Very great video! Much help for my own coif-making. I am making a greathelm and for that i need a mail coif to have under. So butted mail seems like a good alternative since it is easy to make and i cant afford a flattringed-rivited mailcoif. I much like the triangle way of knitting!

  • @chringlanthegreat4556
    @chringlanthegreat45566 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the triangle tip, it really helps

  • @Lilelac
    @Lilelac8 жыл бұрын

    i greatly enjoy your videos

  • @Beardshire
    @Beardshire8 жыл бұрын

    I have a handmade butted coif. It's a lot stronger than i thought it would be. i've only lost a few rings from it, and it's an easy repair. I would suggest a soft leather trim around the face and around the bottom neck.

  • @DjangoWarheart
    @DjangoWarheart8 жыл бұрын

    I made one of those little patches you displayed in your first chainmail video and I have some coils of electric fence wire and a steel rod that I eventually plan on turning into links. But I procrastinate like you wouldn't believe.

  • @Malkuth-Gaming
    @Malkuth-Gaming8 жыл бұрын

    I once started making a mail that had a 1:6 link instead of the 1:4 link you are doing... boy did it take time and patience

  • @jackfinlander3359
    @jackfinlander33598 жыл бұрын

    1k likes 0 dislikes gg Lindy

  • @egrif

    @egrif

    8 жыл бұрын

    Because who doesn't like chainmail?

  • @ErikHoevenberg

    @ErikHoevenberg

    8 жыл бұрын

    +jack lind Someone fixed that for you :P

  • @willythemailboy2
    @willythemailboy28 жыл бұрын

    I made a bunch of mail in my crazy college days, and I found the exact opposite to be true of the morale factor. Making little 5 ring clumps, then lines, then squares, then knitting squares together was much more motivating for me than the slight inconvenience of having to put new links through 4 existing links. Another factor that may have contributed is that I did not always have a flat surface available to work on, so being able to make small parts and throw them in cup as each part got finished was extremely convenient. The down side is that it doesn't allow for expansions or contractions nearly as easily, since each part ends up being interchangeable rather than specific to a particular location on the finished item. For anyone else trying this, just remember your mileage may vary.

  • @w.reidripley1968

    @w.reidripley1968

    Жыл бұрын

    Which it does. One can do small to medium mail-patches over a bent knee, sitting in a municipal bus. Really, just any surface that keeps the mail smooth and a bit stretched out along its resilient dimension. This is especially handy making a butted coif top.

  • @kazrai2400
    @kazrai24008 жыл бұрын

    Hello, Lloyd, as a maille weaver and vendor I can see the point of visible progress while working on something as large as a byrnie or hauberk. When I made my hauberk I made rectangular patches, then stitched them together. It was kind of disappointing to only be able to wear it after month straight of work. However, I find that linking one ring at a time takes a lot longer.

  • @jimpikles
    @jimpikles8 жыл бұрын

    I wish I had the free time to try this. it looks great.

  • @vedritmathias9193
    @vedritmathias91938 жыл бұрын

    I'm making a mail sleeve and didn't know about the 5-in-1 or 3-in-1 for contracting or expanding. That'll make things better on my current project!

  • @Caladras
    @Caladras8 жыл бұрын

    I developed a different workflow, one that might be a bit harder on morale, but is more effective overall. First, I prepare a plenty of closed rings and then I link every four of them together with another ring (so that I have a cluster of five rings - 4in1). I then make a chain out of those clusters, where every other link comprises not one, but to rings (I take two clusters, grab two outer rings of each one and drive a ring through all of them, then I add another cluster in the same way and so on). I make two such chains, put them together so they overlap like the finished mail and start linking them with more rings, then I add another chain and continue until I have a large enough piece of mail. This is also when you can add extensions if you need any. I make same-sized patches of mail that I later connect together; it's far more convenient than working with one large and heavy piece of mail. Linking mail is a bit difficult to describe with word, especially if you have to use foreign language. Maybe I could make a video of it.

  • @KickingJoub
    @KickingJoub8 жыл бұрын

    I'll probably never make mail living where I do and doing what I do, but I still enjoy these videos for some weird reason :)

  • @tabletopmika4349
    @tabletopmika43498 жыл бұрын

    Did may coif a little bit different. First I made round top that covered my head like a tupee. For this round piece I added 6 expansion rings for each row. The part for the sides and back of my head was a simple rectangle. The part for my neck also was a rectangle that was slightly longer than the first one, but a little bit thinner. Then I added the piece that would cover the part between neck and shoulder using expansion rings for each row again.

  • @TheReconRacoon
    @TheReconRacoon8 жыл бұрын

    Good vid, hope to see the finished marvel!

  • @thebobmaster100
    @thebobmaster1008 жыл бұрын

    I have so far made myself a pair of chainmail Hosens, coif, a simpler haubergeon and a pair of mittens and I can only agree with the moral boasting effect of triangles, I did however make one and expanded it sideways rather than make a lot of them and then connect them. However seeing the speed you are working in works wonders.

  • @MrMamfbr
    @MrMamfbr8 жыл бұрын

    let the "armor vs armour" fight begin!

  • @infinitx019
    @infinitx0196 жыл бұрын

    It's one thing putting all those links together imagine how tedious it was making them in medieval times

  • @RobCardIV
    @RobCardIV11 ай бұрын

    i figured half of this out by myself with a bic pen and micro pliers. im going to check out the rest of your tips and see if i cant conquor armpts.

  • @FrogDailey
    @FrogDailey8 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for going into detail about the expansion / contraction. I know i'm going to eventually make one but because I apparently hate myself i'm doing it with a dowel and wrapping wire around it and then cutting it with a jewelers saw, I also plan to use aluminium because I'm hoping it will come out lighter and I'm not super worried about it looking authentic

  • @w.reidripley1968

    @w.reidripley1968

    Жыл бұрын

    I wonder if, in the seven years since you posted, you've switched from a wood dowel to steel rod stock of the same diameter.

  • @FrogDailey

    @FrogDailey

    Жыл бұрын

    @@w.reidripley1968 Can't say that I have

  • @aussiebloke609
    @aussiebloke6095 жыл бұрын

    Just imagine how much work it is to make riveted mail. Trying to rivet every single link, one at a time...would drive me mad. Or bore me to tears.

  • @Noodlion
    @Noodlion8 жыл бұрын

    Just to say about your browning point, you can get the same effect without browned links by simply bend the links inwards slightly as you open them. This way the links click together in the right way.

  • @RedCoyote
    @RedCoyote8 жыл бұрын

    I once did a little bit of "scalemail" to see what it was like. Even though I only did a small bit, I enjoy the piece because it's just fun to fiddle with. Wouldn't want to make armor completely out of it though as it has some limits to its flexibility, but it's still a fun bit. Maybe as an accent to the mail on like the back or cuffs.

  • @koningbolo4700
    @koningbolo47004 жыл бұрын

    I weld my rings shut in situ. Works and looks brilliant... And ridiculously strong...

  • @BruisedASScheeks
    @BruisedASScheeks8 жыл бұрын

    thankyou for this video, I make chain mail all the time, so do all my firends and pretty much everyone I know. I will now be the best at making chain mail..since I do it all day every day.

  • @lomax343
    @lomax3438 жыл бұрын

    I kept waiting for you to say, "And here's one I made earlier."

  • @wattage
    @wattage8 жыл бұрын

    Nice series. I can see how this would be very relaxing. Reminds me of soldering electronics. Where do you find the patterns for various components? How do you know when to put in expansions/contractions, etc.?

  • @merlinmagnus873
    @merlinmagnus8738 жыл бұрын

    +Lindybeige Here is a tip for you and others about expansions/contractions. That ring in the middle that only connects to three rings works a lot better if it smaller than the rings in the rest of the pattern. If you are using 5/16" rings than use a 1/4" ring in the middle. This does two things, first: looks better because it blends in; and second: that ring is now load bearing instead of just dangling there filling in space.

  • @BullDog757

    @BullDog757

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, I started doing this because of your comment and it indeed looks better!

  • @TheOlRazzleDazzle135
    @TheOlRazzleDazzle1358 жыл бұрын

    I've been working in a hauberk since June. I've been making the chest and back pieces using rectangles of 25 units. I can confirm from experience that joining all of those rectangles is a giant pain in the ass. Seeing this video makes me wish I knew the triangle technique before I started. Hopefully I can switch from rectangles to triangles with no ill effects.

  • @BenniBodinJagell
    @BenniBodinJagell8 жыл бұрын

    I finally finished my coif! :)

  • @TheEightshot
    @TheEightshot8 жыл бұрын

    You sir, have WAAAY too much patience

  • @monev44
    @monev448 жыл бұрын

    I did a little mailing years ago, I made smaller things, but I liked doing a 6in1 or 8in2 pattern. Ever try them? or have any other thoughts about them?

  • @blakewinter1657
    @blakewinter16578 жыл бұрын

    A challenging for the mathematically-inclined who also enjoy taking 150 hours to create pieces of mail: create a set of Borromean mail. In this kind of standard mail, if you take any two rings, and throw out all the rest, those two might be totally separate, but they might join one another in a 'Hopf link.' Those are the only two options. But in a Borromean link, if you take two of the circles involved, and get rid of the rest of them, no pair will be linked. For an example of the simplest case, you can do a search for the Borromean rings.

  • @JayMdh
    @JayMdh8 жыл бұрын

    would be nice to know how expensive all those links are

  • @lindybeige

    @lindybeige

    8 жыл бұрын

    +JayMdh I had them made for me in the 1990s, and have forgotten.

  • @maarhoefe

    @maarhoefe

    8 жыл бұрын

    +JayMdh i have made them quite cheaply but it requires a few things you may not have on hand, an automatic drill, an iron rod of the right diameter, and tough steel wire preferably of a material that can be hardenen, and a blowtorch or bunzenburner kindof thing. i just atached the thin metal rods wich i ordered out of the cheapest toolsteel that can be quenched, kept it hot with the blowtorch and wound it around the metal rod and wen it was full i just took an anglegrinder but a chissel might work fine and cut the mall at once and i had a bunch of little rings wich then could be quenched wich is easy given the small size, lot of work but the steel isnt so expensive

  • @adamjewell422

    @adamjewell422

    8 жыл бұрын

    +JayMdh As Arian Wijkstra described.. I used to make links using 16 gauge steel wire tightly coiled around a solid brass rod about the thickness of a standard full size screwdriver shaft. The brass rod was bent at one end into a hand crank.. the rod was then inserted into a wooden frame with 2 uprights. The uprights had 2 holes drilled thru just big enough to insert and hold the rod snug. I then had a small hole drilled thru the brass rod near the crank end just big enough to insert the steel wire.. (having a dentist for a father came in handy for this step.. small diamond drill bits etc) then holding the wire in one hand.. the other on the crank... crank away til the rod is full. cut the wire.. then using nippers.. cut the resulting coil apart and you have a pile of rings ready for the next step.

  • @TheChaosNinja

    @TheChaosNinja

    8 жыл бұрын

    +JayMdh You can buy ready made links from theringlord.com/ BUT be warned, there are a lot of options, and some are cheap, those cheap options are more for decoration then to be combat grade. Expect to spend up to $300 or mote for all the links needed to make a project.

  • @fakjbf3129

    @fakjbf3129

    8 жыл бұрын

    +JayMdh Ringlord.com sells chainmail links online. He said there were about 15,000 links with 6mm inner diameter. For the estimate we'll use mild steel since that's what many people use, though he used slightly different metal for his. That gives us a ballpark estimate of a little over $100 for the links.

  • @annabatarowicz
    @annabatarowicz8 жыл бұрын

    That's looks like a good hobby

  • @zachsbanks
    @zachsbanks7 жыл бұрын

    Can you go into more detail on the browning process you mentioned? Does it only work on certain types of steel? I tried the temp and times you mentioned on some 14SWG stainless rings and didn't see any difference in the overlap afterwards.

  • @w.reidripley1968

    @w.reidripley1968

    Жыл бұрын

    Mild steel; a plain carbon steel of 0.15 to 0.18% carbon. The ordinary stuff, good for wire.

  • @hairyneil
    @hairyneil8 жыл бұрын

    I've been working on a bernie for about a year and a half (I'm quite big) and realised halfway through that I'm an idiot and had the grain going side to side rather than up and down. I opened it up and turned it round to make it more right, but that was pretty demoralising because rather than a fetching chain mail boob tube, I now have a pile of mail that won't go on me (yet). Ah well, you live and learn. Do you not find it faster to do the adding one new link with two closed links already attached to it? So each time you add to your piece you add 3 links then go along and close them up. (If that makes sense).

  • @pietertalens1256
    @pietertalens12568 жыл бұрын

    Apparently I have been waiting since Nov 27th for the third mail video :p

  • @MURDOCK1500
    @MURDOCK15003 жыл бұрын

    I once saw a guy on TV making mail out of spring washers

  • @RottenRogerDM
    @RottenRogerDM8 жыл бұрын

    Suggestion. I generally use 6 inch needle nose pliers instead the pliers you use. Good idea on the baking.

  • @Paulx589
    @Paulx5898 жыл бұрын

    Could you provide the link to the website you bought the links from? Thanks a lot!

  • @bhazen406
    @bhazen4068 жыл бұрын

    You should do 8 in 2 mail it's really fun

  • @permhaaland
    @permhaaland8 жыл бұрын

    A friend of mine came did some research for on historical chainmail, and found out that if you want to rivet your mail, take a steel plate, and drill holes in in it, then cut around the holes and file the edges of the resulting rings. Hey presto, you now only have to rivet half of the rings.

  • @w.reidripley1968

    @w.reidripley1968

    Жыл бұрын

    Or buy "spacer rings" in lots of about ten thousand, stamped out wholesale by a washer manufacturer. Toss these into a tumbler with a fairly aggressive medium for a bit. You want to round the rings' squared edges off somewhat. I also recommend getting/ordering the spacers of rather thinner steel than the wire diameter of the riveted links you're using. Use spacer rings because modern made washers have mostly a structural job and are built far too heavy.

  • @hamfastgamwich
    @hamfastgamwich8 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Beige, would you share with us your source for these rings? I've seen people use a power drill to wrap wire around a dowel, but it seems strictly superior to have a manufacturer of some sort for that bit.

  • @guardiangarasu
    @guardiangarasu8 жыл бұрын

    the triangle thing does work for morale. not exactly the same thing, but i was building a huge hollow sphere on minecraft. i was doing each row in circles going up, and after 2 hours was very bummed as i was barely off the ground. then i decided to do the sides one at a time going up instead of circles and i felt much better as i could see the progress better.

  • @MartinAhlman
    @MartinAhlman8 жыл бұрын

    My rings disappeared in a burglary (must have been a very specialised burglar). I didn't want to start over so I just played music instead. You can have a listen at the next Visby thingy, week 32 next year and decide if you think I made the right choice..

  • @WhatIsSanity

    @WhatIsSanity

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Martin Ahlman I don't know what to do, I feel silly thumbing up Your comment because well- "I got robbed" -You say "Great I like that"-Me, silly.

  • @eostyrwinn5018
    @eostyrwinn50188 жыл бұрын

    Do you have any recommendations for what to do if you're going to make your own rings?

  • @rtester40
    @rtester405 жыл бұрын

    I am new and was wanting to make my own could you tell me what I type and size of chain loops I should get ?

  • @Scout887
    @Scout8878 жыл бұрын

    Lloyd, are there any historical evidence that people used armor made from wood? Let's say a gambeson style armor reinforced with wood pieces, wouldn't it be effective?

  • @lindybeige

    @lindybeige

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Scout887 The evidence is poor. I've heard of eastern lamellar, and armour of Pacific islanders etc., but not of medieval Europe. I've often had the same thought - a pauldron could be made of wood.

  • @SuperFunkmachine

    @SuperFunkmachine

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Scout887 There lots of historical evidence for wooden armour, The Tlingit of alaska made wooden vests and helmets. An odd note is that the Tlingit had proper ring mail made from Chinese coins that they got from Boston sea merchants in exchange for sea otter pelts.

  • @NickNameNick2

    @NickNameNick2

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Lindybeige Could that be a survivor bias problem? Steel armour seems more likely to be preserved than wooden armour.

  • @edi9892

    @edi9892

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Scout887 I've heared of bamboo woven in (increases the cut resistance). I guess wood splinters too fast and protects less than an equal mass of textile (which is then probably 3x as thick).

  • @shartThief

    @shartThief

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Lindybeige I would imagine someone might tie a shield to their chest and stuff an old blanket or clothes behind it, if they needed to protect their chest. I don't see why it would be documented.

  • @Birdblizzard
    @Birdblizzard8 жыл бұрын

    I have dabbled a bit in making mail stuff, but I haven't gotten hold of any decent quality rings. Perhaps one day. Having a byrnie would be a nice way to counter being stabbed in the gut by nazis at a bus stop.

  • @julien8629
    @julien86297 жыл бұрын

    Would it be better with long-nosed pliers?

  • @Deka-92
    @Deka-928 жыл бұрын

    I'm still working up the motivation to spend a few weeks making a mail hauberk for myself.

  • @w.reidripley1968

    @w.reidripley1968

    Жыл бұрын

    I suppose by now you've found it takes more like a few months, from roll of wire to hauberk.

  • @bertjandejong
    @bertjandejong7 жыл бұрын

    lovely and good to know for when i am going to make a coif ^_^ first have to finish the 6in1 european chainmail vest XD

  • @Traderjoe
    @Traderjoe8 жыл бұрын

    What term do you use to search for these types of rings? Chain mail rings? Also, is there a plastic version that someone can just get a feel for before going all out and investing in lots of these?

  • @PsylomeAlpha

    @PsylomeAlpha

    8 жыл бұрын

    +traderjoes if you want a plastic version just for the testing to see if you even have the patience for THAT you can buy a bag of plastic split washers at most hardware stores.

  • @PsylomeAlpha

    @PsylomeAlpha

    8 жыл бұрын

    +PsylomeAlpha also, I've seen people use metal split washers for making mail as well since they usually are about the right size.

  • @ombremage
    @ombremage8 жыл бұрын

    Hi Lindybeige, assuming you make your own ring from a wire, what particular technique do you use to cut them ? They look like you cut them one by one with pliers, is that so ? Also thank you for the oven trick, I had never heard of that technique but I am eager to try it out!

  • @WritingFighter
    @WritingFighter8 жыл бұрын

    My God, Lindy, how did you get this good a quality of audio?

  • @19NathanH78
    @19NathanH785 жыл бұрын

    I am currently trying to make a Coif. I have tried like a dozen times with several different styles. I like the way the round and round top looks better than the 6 triangles that I have seen stitched together. I get the idea of expansions but I seem to lose my place all the time. so one side of the pattern looks bigger than the other. Do you have any pointers? I didn't see that you had a video of the very top of the coif.

  • @jakubchalupa8510
    @jakubchalupa85108 жыл бұрын

    Lindybeige, assuming you are using steel, won't heating it to such temperature without cooling it imidiately make it much more soft?

  • @Zamolxes77
    @Zamolxes777 жыл бұрын

    Lindy, you could solder those links very easily and have a mail that will actually provide defense against real historical weapons.

  • @samsadowitz1724
    @samsadowitz17248 жыл бұрын

    can this technique for making chainmail armor be used for making a mail glove that butchers use for cutting meats and fish? just curious because i am a bit more of a craftsman when it can save me money on the finished product.

  • @sweast8302
    @sweast83028 жыл бұрын

    Do you make your own link/rings or do you buy them. If so then were do you buy them from.

  • @thefootman123
    @thefootman1238 жыл бұрын

    You are a more patient man than me.

  • @TheArmored123
    @TheArmored1238 жыл бұрын

    HEY LINDY!! Can you make a video about besieging castles/forts with moats? Puhleeese

  • @WarbanderLasty
    @WarbanderLasty8 жыл бұрын

    where did you get those links? how much, i want them i wanna make a full length hauberk with attached coif and mantle

  • @Oglokoog
    @Oglokoog8 жыл бұрын

    I think it might be worthwhile to make some sort of dispenser for the rings that you could grab them from directly with the pliers.

  • @w.reidripley1968

    @w.reidripley1968

    Жыл бұрын

    Just reach into your can full of links with your pliers, and pull some out, as if your pliers were hands. I recommend slipjoint pliers or other broad nosed pliers for this work, not needlenose. Though needlenoses are handy for tweaking the overlapping on riveted mail links before piercing /drifting them for riveting. They make a good link ID gauge too, checking a link putting it on their conical jaws. Cull over-and under-sized links out for other projects and special uses.

  • @PaulA-fp3vs
    @PaulA-fp3vs8 жыл бұрын

    I remember I started to do one once and thought, this is arduous but not that bad. Next day I could barely open or close my hands without great discomfort.

  • @PsylomeAlpha

    @PsylomeAlpha

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Paul A had the similar thing happen to me. I'm experienced with woodworking, so it was about twelve hours dedicated to it before my hands started to hurt, I stopped, and then my hands were in agony for the next few days.

  • @Schralenberger
    @Schralenberger8 жыл бұрын

    Use either a pair of needle nose, or mig welding pliers. Lineman's pliers work, but the former two are more dexterous at manipulating the rings.

  • @SamEvansCOM
    @SamEvansCOM7 жыл бұрын

    This would be useful for paintball armor

  • @MoonlightCraft
    @MoonlightCraft8 жыл бұрын

    where the hell to i reliably purchase split rings? Also, do you larp lindy?