You should make it obvious in the title when you make a sponsored video imho

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

I put it in the video description already. Why do you think it has to be made obvious in the title?

@dcopestake

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber Generally the convention on KZread is to use #ad or something similar.

@portentouslad5051

5 жыл бұрын

it wasn't?

@peteranelson

5 жыл бұрын

seemed pretty obvious to me

Funny you just released this video. My shoes started to stink over the last couple of weeks so I had to clean them. I went for a slightly longer process though. Hand wash with warm water and a soft brush. That god rid of any actual dirt. Then I used a cleaning gel. After that, I just sprayed them with a footwear odour eliminator to make them smell nice, rather than just clean.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Your way of cleaning climbing shoes works too! This product is more for the lazy.

@AMM1998

5 жыл бұрын

Spray them with isopropyl alcohol. I use alcohol for my work boots which used to cause everyone to evacuate the room if I pulled them out

12/Feb/2021: Their EU site sells the product at 40€ for 17€ for 200g and 50g of powder respectively. PLUS 55€ for shipping. Is this some kind of bad joke? You can find a proper climbing pair of shoes at no more than 65-70.

Congrats on getting sponsors for your videos! I have no problem watching sponsored videos, because I understand that it is how KZreadrs are supported monetarily. However, just in the future, I would prefer to have the sponsorship stated outright at the start (many KZreadrs will say "This video is sponsored by..." at the beginning or put #ad in the title). Since I don't check the description box until the end of the video, I was surprised by this video's sponsorship and it was a bit off-putting. Stating the sponsorship in a more obvious manner will make me more likely to watch the video, because I gain a sense of trust and transparency from the creator. Good luck and keep making awesome videos; I love your content!

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for your support and feedback. However, I don't understand why there's a trust problem if I don't state the sponsorship outright. If I promoted a crappy product that didn't even work for me only for the purpose of getting paid, then I would understand why there could be a trust problem. Otherwise, I feel it's a win-win situation. You get to discover an amazing product verified by me, and I get compensated so I can continue to make free videos for you guys. Can you elaborate more on why you find it off-putting?

@authorjuli

5 жыл бұрын

​@@GeekClimber Sure thing! I will do my best to explain - I apologize for the long response in my attempt to be thorough. TLDR: sponsorship introduces potential bias towards a product not otherwise present in unsponsored videos, thus creating a feeling of mistrust if not addressed outright (google: "funding bias"). A product sponsorship is an advertisement, where a person has been offered money to review and recommend a product. This introduces potential bias, even if the sponsor loves and verifies the product and even if he rejected other sponsorships because the products were not as good. Unfortunately, the audience is in a position where they have to assume there is a possible bias in favor of the product because of the sponsorship and may feel “tricked” if not informed outright. Of course, I trust your recommendations and know you offer these products honestly, but when I make a decision to purchase a product, I like to research alternatives, see how the product compares to others, and know as much about the product and seller before deciding to buy. In video terms, this means I like to know if it was sponsored or not sponsored. I feel MUCH better knowing about a sponsorship than not knowing, because I can then recognize that the sponsor took the time to look into the product thoroughly AND communicate this information to me by stating it outright. I will trust a creator more when they are open and honest about the sponsorship and more likely to consider the product, because I can more forward and actually listen to the review of the product instead of wondering about potential bias. An outside example that can apply here: In research studies, participants fill out an informed consent, where they are made aware of all the possible risks and benefits prior to the study. In addition, researchers must present any potential biases in the data, sampling pool, procedures etc., as well as present counterarguments and other reasonings to explain findings in the final paper. If the research is funded by an industry partner, researchers must also recognize this as a potential conflict of interest. This doesn’t make the research any less valid, but by presenting this information, it allows readers to draw accurate, informed conclusions. Here’s how some creators incorporate their sponsorships and maintain trust and transparency: 1. Including it in a video, but not making it the emphasis or main topic. (You did this very well already! With the foam roller in the Lower Back Pain video) 2. Outright stating the sponsorship in multiple ways to accommodate for variety in how people may interact with your content (in the video itself, in the description, title etc.) 3. In videos where the product is the main purpose (like this one), presenting it in a way that is more objective (This was addressed in another comment). If you haven't already, I suggest watching other content creators and seeing how they do product placements. While I don’t think there is any “official” protocol, it is clear that there tends to be standards other content creators follow successfully. If you made it this far, thanks for reading and I hope I explained myself clearly. Keep doing what you do! I’m happy that you are open and willing to interact with your audience. Good luck! :)

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the long and detailed explanation! In my opinion, if the audience is in a position where they have to assume there is a possible bias in favor of the product, that simply means there isn't enough trust between the creator and the audience. The original intention of not including a 15~30-second sponsorship declaration in the start is really simple. I didn't want to waste 15~30 seconds of the audience's time. I always try to keep my video short and to the point. I thought I earned most of my viewers' trust, but I guess I haven't. Lesson learned for me. I will have a sponsorship declaration if I get a second one in the future.

@authorjuli

5 жыл бұрын

​@@GeekClimber I understand your view point about trust. I think you have a lot of loyal viewers who trust you, but now since your audience is growing, you will always have new viewers on any given video to gain trust. Just for an example, I think Linus Tech Tips does a great job as a review channel that gets a lot of sponsorships. Thanks again for listening! Many people would not, and I respect you for taking the time to do so. I always get excited when I see a new GeekClimber video, and I'm looking forward to new videos in the future!

Geek Climber, I've always enjoyed your content, and I genuinely get excited when you post new videos, but this feels like a cheap bait and switch tactic to sell a product. This video seriously played out like an infomercial.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Daniel, I appreciate your support. Can you elaborate on why you do not like an infomercial video? IMO this is a win-win-win situation. Viewers get to discover a product that actually solves a real problem and verified by me. If you come across this product yourself, you will have no idea whether this product is a scam or not, and you won't be sure if you wanna risk your money to try it out. You don't need to pay me anything and can continue to watch my videos for free. For myself, I get to be compensated once in a while for my effort of making videos. Granted, there are other intangible benefits of making videos, for example, having an opportunity to climb with Paul Robinson, but still it's nice to actually earn something that I can pay the bills with. As for the companies, obviously they want more people to discover their product so that's a win for them as well. I tried reaching out to major climbing brands to get pro-athlete like sponsorship deals but I got rejected by every single of them. If you don't like me being compensated in this way, the only other way I can think of is being directly compensated by viewers, say if I open a patreon account, would you be willing to support me directly?

@LeafwortThumbfloggin

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber I would definitely support you on Patreon. I am a big advocate of supporting individuals like yourself who put the time and effort into generating creative and informative videos. I also think it's completely fair to be compensated by a company for promoting a product, as long as you clearly disclose your intent in the beginning of your video. Otherwise, it seems like you are leveraging your subscriber base for sole purpose of selling a product. Honesty and transparency is the key. I subscribe to your channel because I think you do an excellent job of explaining topics to beginner and intermediate climbers alike. There aren't too many climbing channels on you tube, and even fewer that fill a niche of appealing to beginner/intermediates.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Daniel, I never imagined someone would actually support me if I had a patreon account. It means a lot to me. If there are any other types of videos that you would like to see from me, feel free to let me know!

I think it's great that you're taking on sponsored products. However, I believe that this video could've been a little more objective. For example, you could've compared multiple methods for removing odor from climbing shoes and performed a blind before-after smell test with 2-3 volunteers (using their own shoes), rating on a scale from 1-10. Not very scientific, but still better than just assuming this product is better than DIY solutions that can be done with standard cleaning supplies.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Agree that I could've made the video more interesting by getting more people and more products involved. Thanks for the feedback. I did try multiple DIY solutions throughout the years, the ones that work are time consuming and the ones that are not time consuming don't really work. I recommend this product because it works almost instantly.

@Vim_Tim

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber From the FTC's endorsement guidelines Q&A: "If I upload a video to KZread and that video requires a disclosure, can I just put the disclosure in the description that I upload together with the video? No, because consumers can easily miss disclosures in the video description. Many people might watch the video without even seeing the description page, and those who do might not read the disclosure. The disclosure has the most chance of being clear and prominent if it’s included in the video itself. That’s not to say that you couldn’t have disclosures in both the video and the description." www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/ftcs-endorsement-guides-what-people-are-asking

Do you use this for your other shoes too?

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Yea, I use it for my street shoes and basketball shoes and it works well, too.

How often clean them?

Yo what t-shirt are you wearing? whats the brand?

For some reason, every pair of Scarpa shoe I buy reeks! It's so true, not one pair of La Sportiva shoes I have ever bought have smelled.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

I knew it! I am not the only one that has this experience!

@bramverlooy6598

5 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately I have disappointing news, my lasportiva genius shoes smell like I left a dead animal in there to rot.

And why exactly is la sportiva less prone to bad odor?

@robertrider9845

2 жыл бұрын

Its because the shoe are made with leather compared to say scarpa or evolv which use synthetic materials.

Your glasses are trippy

Socks help a lot and so does washing them out with water(not sure if that is bad for the shoe though).

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

My problem with wearing socks is it becomes harder for me to step on small footholds. Do you have this problem?

Was this filmed right outside CVMS? If so you're down the street from me! - I climb Mesa Rim Mira Mesa all the time!

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

No, this was actually filmed near where I live. I climb at Mesa Rim Mission Valley most of the time. If you have a chance to come down, please don't hesitate to say hi!

Smells like a good idea. :)- You reminded me of my time in Japan last month that I smelled no stinky shoes or feet? Unusual that they washed their feet (in sinks for feet) after the session-kinda weird, but cool. Last year, I also remembered I rotated my shoes, but most importantly, read the "manufacturer's shoe care". Periodically cleaning, storage in mesh bags, open air (in my car with window down), etc. People might also consider what they are eating has impact on "sweat smell"? Great video, as always. Thank you.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Glad you like the video! What you saw kinda makes sense to me because Japan is a lot more warmer and humid than the States, so shoes/feet are a lot easier to get smelly. I also agree with you that we should follow the "manufacturer's shoe care." This product is more for the lazy.

This just looks like abusing you viewers trust in you, to make a an ad disguised as a normal video. Not being transparent about sponsorships is illegal for a reason bro. If you want our trust, pls be transparent

Quick tipp for people not wanting to buy something ! Let your shoes dry out after climbing in a cold enviroment and also take them off between routes, since Clostridies need water in order to produce butanic acid, which is the component of your sweet that smells bad, so by taking away the water and sometimes sterilizing your shoes you get rid of any smell and even prevent it from forming.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip! This product is more for the lazy who want a quick solution.

Jokes on me. It's summer in Japan and so the humidity does nothing for my shoes when leaving them outside. I think they made them smell worse.

You should get someone else to confirm it works man, I don't think too many people will just take your word for it even though you're a good guy. I will be looking into this product though 😎 Also, make sure you put a notice if it's a sponsored video, KZread is pretty big on it.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

I even tested it on my street shoes and basketball shoes off camera and it worked as well. You can have the utmost confidence that it works. I did put a notice in the video description that it's a sponsored video.

@MattVentures

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber Sounds good man! Thanks for all your tips! I'm gonna check out the stuff

0:19 - It wasn't explained why those more expensive shoes will slow down the development of the smell... got me curious.

Lysol spay? Works for me, but I have no idea how environmentally safe it is.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Lysol spray is the kind of spray that my school gym used back in the days, but this product is different. It uses environmentally safe materials.

i don't know why people are hating you. I guess if you wanted to satisfy them, you'd have to make it more scientific; set up an experiment with multiple theories on the internet on how to remove odors from the shoes and show the results of each one. thereby you are exploring all options and showing why odorklenz is better

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

I am also quite surprised by all the negative reaction... the odorklenz powder solves a real problem. It's not like that I am promoting a crappy product and hope to get paid.

@peteranelson

5 жыл бұрын

don't worry about it; I thought you were perfectly clear.@@GeekClimber

I love your videos Geek Climber, I always learn some stuff as a rookie climber. This one was really funny though. Lol. I love the way you presented and your acting. Now that we could clearly see how your shoes were smelly and how they are not anymore, We couldn’t be more convinced that it really works :))))))

Haha i love the rip at evolv. On principle I never buy them even if it's nice/expensive. La sportiva, butora, 5.10 always

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Haha your experience is very similar to mine!

@sethwhite4155

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber ya they have some shady business practices. Also idk what's with the backlash, literally everyone else does sponsors on this platform. Especially in January 😂. Congrats on getting a sponsor while being a smaller channel. Good luck on your next vid!

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your support man! Genuinely appreciate it. I am really surprised by the backlash as well...

@TheNeverslept

5 жыл бұрын

Evolv are ok shoes tbh. As always fit is more important than brand.

@guillaumechampagne6659

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber It's because you trashed a company while promoting another one. You could have easily not said the bit about Evolv shoes... Anyway, that's the part that bothered me, not the Odor Klenz sponsor. Personally Evolv shoes are the ones that fit me the best. La Sportiva hurt my Achilles like crazy. And, honestly, my Shamans feel way nicer/sturdier than a lot of La Sportiva (or 5.10/whatever) products... I don't really like the crazy blue/orange parrot color, but who cares. Of course if you compare a Evolv Nighthawk to a La Sportiva Miura, there's no contest, but if you compare it with, let's say, a Tarantulace, they're pretty much the same fucking thing lol.

Honestly I could care less about selling out. As long as you get sponsors, I'm happy . Also I was looking for something to remove this awful odor. thanks for the video bud.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Glad you find the video helpful man! Any products I promote in the channel would be something I personally find useful.

Natron works just as well.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

That's interesting. I never heard about using natron for shoes. Thanks for letting me know.

@dukeofnuke2446

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber Also sterilizing alcohol

Thanks for showing me! I don’t care if you show us good products!!! This stuff works. Why is everyone mad haha?

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! I don't know either why everyone is mad.

Haha. I totally didn't expect this. I thought 'this dude is going to give some good information again!'. Anyway you are trustworthy so this must be nice product!

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

You can have the utmost confidence that I will never promote crappy products on this channel!

I didn't come for an infomercial.

It is a known problem that boulder shoes smell bad after some time. Nonetheless the viewers cannot confirm that your shoes did smell or did not smell after you applied the product. IMO you could just be a little more transparent and simply tell that we have no idea about the smell. Additionally less exaggeration could be more informative and would make your product review more credible. It is no problem at all that you want to introduce your viewers to some new products but it shouldn't be an ad but much more a neutral review.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

You overestimated my acting skills. The reaction was completely real and I didn’t really know what to expect prior to filming it. I won’t recommend any products that don’t solve any real problems on my channel. You can have the upmost confidence on the effectiveness of the OdorKlenz powder.

Or you could use a new box of baking soda to absorb the odor, for significantly cheaper

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion. I tried this approach before but it didn't work as effectively as the odorklenz powder for me.

Sounds like a good idea

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Yes it is!

Ever want to learn how to make lasagna? Well it’s your lucky day. Spread a thin layer of pasta sauce in the bottom of a baking dish Make a layer of cooked lasagna noodles Spread an even layer of the ricotta cheese mixture Spread an even layer of meat sauce Repeat those layers two times Top it with a final layer of noodles, sauce, mozzarella, and parmesan cheese

@cheeksweeper9678

5 жыл бұрын

TurleCas that was random, unrelated, and irrelevant.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Is this a copypasta or something like that? Seems totally irrelevant.

@mescellaneous

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber that might be the very point that is being made of this video. a lot of youtube videos have a few seconds for a sponsored message instead of a product review. i think the difference between a brand sponsorship vs a product is that a brand covers a wider net and is less intrusive. so for example, this video is specifically an odor problem for shoes, but not every climber sees that as a problem, or a problem that needs solving. your target audience is climbers, so it's natural that you create climbing videos on technique and anything that relates to how we achieve our goals when climbing. i cant explain it well enough after that, so maybe some examples. that's like a programming channel that sudden advertise a ram stick, or a swimming channel that advertises chlorine product for pools. these things are just not relevant for the majority of participants. unless shoe odor affected performance during climbing, i don't think this provided much value to viewers, only to you and potential product sales for the company. now saying that, everyone has to start somewhere. so it's ultimately your decision on what you choose to do with your channel. i hope this helps you understand how this is frowned upon. just imagine if every other video from now on was a sponsored product review, it wouldn't be very fun for the viewers, would it? there are product review channels and their target audience ARE consumers of their niche. so this just doesn't make very much sense to a mature viewer, since you are not a product review channel.

@gobbidimerda2496

5 жыл бұрын

I'm italian and I don't feel it's people's lucky day as along as authentic lasagne don't require ricotta nor mozzarella but just besciamel sauce. On the contrary is my lucky day because the advice of this video was very useful for me (although I'm not sure if this product is sold in europe, I will check) and I'm absolutely sure, because geek climber is without any doubt an honest and good person, that he is advising this product because he, in first person, has tried it and checked it's a good product. So thank you geek climber and if you want a real lasagne don't put any pasta sauce on the bottom of the baking dish but some besciamel sauce (strictly home made, the industrial ones taste as shit) and in the layers between the pasta sheets put meat sauce (also home made), besciamel sauce and parmigiano and another generous amount of parmigiano on the top.

scarpa>

Sportiva are $100 more?! Wtaf?!

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

There are actually expensive Evolv shoes too, but I have never had a pair.

@vicepresi815

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber that comparison was what actually put me off from this video. Like srsly I love my evolv shoes so I guess I am a bit biased. But LA sportiva has cheap shoes and so does evolv and that is great for begimners. But both also make really high quality stuff and it's sort of weird that you would just make a brand look that bad. You have a bunch of beginner viewers, that might be thinking about getting their first more expensive pair and with climbing shoes Atleast in my eyes pretty much all brands have great shoes and it's mostly just about what fits your foot. This really bothers me because I have friends that thought they had to get scarpa shoes to get quality. But since the shoes just didn't fit their feet they really did a disservice to themselves.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

@Vice Presi My experience with smelly Evolv shoes is mainly around the 2008~2009 days, and I gave up on them after 3 consecutive smelly shoes since then. I am glad to hear from you that their shoes nowadays don't get smelly that easily anymore.

Normally I would avoid sponsored products because of all the negative things we see everywhere. However, I am going to buy a small bottle to try it out because I want to trust your judgement. I hope this will work out well!

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

I see where you are coming from. There are a lot of merchants that reached out to me with bad products like t-shirts, flash lights, or random camping gears, and I will never recommend something like those on this channel. For the OdorKlenz powder, I am sure you will have a good experience with it!

Never mind the haters, I really enjoy your channel and always nice to get tips on new product that work! :)

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your support and glad you like the video!

Way to shame evolv in the first twenty seconds of the video. They have more expensive, higher quality shoes with an antimicrobial liner. I've had a pair of Oracles for 3 months and they have no odor thanks to their Agion lining. La Sportiva isn't the high quality climbing shoe brand anymore. Paul Robinson was climbing in evolv shoes in one of your training videos too. smh

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

It's great to know that Evolv makes better shoes nowadays. My experience was mainly based on the 2008~2010 days, and the Evolv shoes back then got smelly really really fast. I actually reached out to Evolv to ask for a pro-athlete sponsorship before but unfortunately they rejected me. If I have the opportunity to be sponsored by Evolv like Paul, I won't have the need to work with non-climbing brands to make videos like this to pay my bills.

@TheNeverslept

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber they would never pay you. You'd get a few pairs of shoes and the odd shirt.

The secret? Peaches and Onions.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand the joke.

@calebsherman886

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber Reference to th movie "Holes".

This is not adequate disclosure. Look up FCC guidelines.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think there are FCC guidelines for KZread videos. If there actually are, can you post the link?

Since i am using socks i have no problems with smell. Will make yt video about it shortly.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

I tried wearing socks with climbing shoes before but it became harder for me to step on small holds.

@hojhoj8

5 жыл бұрын

i wear the thinnest socks i have and i don't notice any problems. But i should mention that i climb only up to 7a.

THis is just an annoying commercial....

Click & bait.

2:28 nice acting

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Nah you overestimated my acting skills. If the shoes hadn't smelled, I wouldn't have been able to have a reaction like that.

Make that interwebs $$$. Nothing will work better than soap and a scrub brush to get out the smell and foot skin.

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

What you said is like why I need a car when my horse already runs pretty fast. As you know, it takes a lot of effort to make all these videos so I would like to be compensated for my effort. Isn't it a good idea that the compensation comes from big companies instead of viewers? How about this, if I open a patreon account, will you be willing to support me directly?

Cheap acting.

Money money money....

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with wanting to pay my bills.

@laurentdavou

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber regarde le nombre de commentaires sur ce sujet et tu comprendras que tu as loupé quelque chose. Je suis abonné à d'autres chaînes où les gars ou les filles sont sponsorisés. Mais chez eux les choses sont plus claires.

Unsubscribed. Shame on you for not being more transparent. This is illegal in the UK btw

@GeekClimber

5 жыл бұрын

That’s unfortunate. Best of luck.

@peteranelson

5 жыл бұрын

if you can't figure this one out, you're hopeless anyway