Making a kuchi-e print

Another in the series of videos presented by Tokyo-based woodblock printmaker David Bull, in which I talk about aspects of my work. This episode describes my experiences when making a reproduction of a Meiji-period 'kuchi-e' (frontispiece) print, back in the autumn of 2004.
An interesting aspect to the discussion is my 'best guess' as to how the kuchi-e were produced in such large quantities in short time periods, and an attempt to answer some interesting mysteries involved in their production.
The 'Beauties of Four Seasons' series mentioned in the video lives here: woodblock.com/shiki/
Information on the 'Octopus' print is here:
theoctopusprint.com
Videos of the production process will be uploaded to this KZread channel:
/ @theoctopusprint4841
The previous (similar) KZread video that I referenced - discussing my contact with the old carver Susumu Ito - is here:
• Remembering a carver -...
We now have a Patreon page for support of these videos:
/ mokuhankan

Пікірлер: 379

  • @piperalpha
    @piperalpha7 жыл бұрын

    Dave, you know, you keep apologizing for talking too much, or making videos that are "too long". Don't apologize! The thing is this: You have a life's experience from an obscure (for westernes, at least) yet immensely interesting and exacting industry. It is extremely interesting to hear about your thoughts and experiences. I hope you get more time for carving in the future, as well.

  • @frogman9380

    @frogman9380

    3 жыл бұрын

    P

  • @judah2267

    @judah2267

    3 ай бұрын

    @@frogman9380word

  • @Kratoast.
    @Kratoast.7 жыл бұрын

    we had bob ross for paint and now we have david bull for master carving, both with luscious hair.

  • @tepsan

    @tepsan

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yes-

  • @Kockafalva

    @Kockafalva

    5 жыл бұрын

    carving little happy hair strains :)

  • @loganslimcrocks7622

    @loganslimcrocks7622

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Oliver Eales Damn Oliver, Bob Ross steal your bitch or somthin'?

  • @humanrayla4785

    @humanrayla4785

    5 жыл бұрын

    Bro i wanted to comment "the bob ross of carving" you are well educated on the internet

  • @sexycavetroll2788

    @sexycavetroll2788

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Oliver Eales holy crap dude...relax

  • @DangerCrow
    @DangerCrow5 жыл бұрын

    Its so crazy that he set these long goals of 5-10 years to teach himself and perfect his craft. He clearly has a ton of dedication!

  • @jamessamuel1255

    @jamessamuel1255

    4 жыл бұрын

    It’s truly amazing

  • @jmaprins
    @jmaprins7 жыл бұрын

    I could listen to your stories for ever!

  • @christopherstosik9987

    @christopherstosik9987

    6 жыл бұрын

    you can

  • @bassface8580

    @bassface8580

    4 жыл бұрын

    If I met him I would be star struck. I would be lost for words and in awe. What a beautiful human being

  • @jamessamuel1255

    @jamessamuel1255

    4 жыл бұрын

    He’s really amazing at just telling a tale in a classical way. It’s really amazing to listen to

  • @iSailorBoat
    @iSailorBoat7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the amazing video and wonderful story. I could listen to your stories for hours. Your "ramble" videos are my favorites. Hearing a master craftsman talk about their work is just so inspiring and gives me a perspective I don't think I get to experience enough. Thank you and I can't wait for the next video!

  • @LuisEduardoNenes

    @LuisEduardoNenes

    7 жыл бұрын

    exact what i think and feel.

  • @ezranathaniel86
    @ezranathaniel867 жыл бұрын

    Don't know how I got here but I stayed.

  • @RichMitch

    @RichMitch

    6 жыл бұрын

    #MeToo lol

  • @jamessamuel1255

    @jamessamuel1255

    4 жыл бұрын

    I’m in the same position. This got recommended, and now I’m here to stay

  • @iliekslothd6161
    @iliekslothd61614 жыл бұрын

    Here is a man who isn't just trying to make money or getting people's attention, but a man who is passionate in his craft and wanting to share his experience with others. I respect that 100% and I am looking forward to see what Mr Bull will share next! Whether short or long videos

  • @brandysigmon9066
    @brandysigmon90665 жыл бұрын

    I've watched every video Mr. Bull has, some multiple times. I have come to the conclusion that he is an extremely intelligent man with a natural ability for story telling.

  • @thompson3rd

    @thompson3rd

    5 жыл бұрын

    Agree

  • @lawart5603
    @lawart56037 жыл бұрын

    Discovered this channel randomly today. FANTASTIC STUFF! I'm use to listening to just random videos at work, (music, standup comedy, silly trendy nonsense). But THIS is my new favourite thing to listen to. I feel like im there sitting in front of David listening to his stories, and they're so interesting and engaging. Thanks for the videos David

  • @tubepkn
    @tubepkn7 жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love it when you start talking about how in the old days these prints were made. This time the image of a printshop full with people from inexperienced kids working on paper wrappers (they printed that too?) to master carvers / printers working on expensive projects really struck me. Thanks!

  • @vanessathenavigator
    @vanessathenavigator2 жыл бұрын

    Dave talking about wanting to get back to his carving beach warms my heart because we now know he was able to do so ❤️

  • @RikerLovesWorf
    @RikerLovesWorf7 жыл бұрын

    I love how David says "I thought I would challenge this one"... definitely he's becoming Japanese! Japanese people often mix "challenge" and "try".

  • @RikerLovesWorf

    @RikerLovesWorf

    7 жыл бұрын

    Definitely not MOST cases, only a few ways. The way he used it is exactly the same as my students do, which is awkward in normal English.

  • @RikerLovesWorf

    @RikerLovesWorf

    7 жыл бұрын

    How often do you ever say "I would like to challenge that" or something. It's incredibly weird. Most people would say "I'd try to reproduce" or "I'd try to make" or "I'd challenge myself to make this" or "I would take on the challenge of this" or a multitude of other ways. No one except Japanese people who use challenge incorrectly would say "I thought I would challenge this" unless you're talking about challenging the ruling of a judge or something.

  • @jamessamuel1255

    @jamessamuel1255

    4 жыл бұрын

    He also uses little bits like ‘でしょう’ at the end of English sentences, ‘ano’, ‘eto ne’. It reminds me of what I’ve started to do in my Japanese class now that I’ve grown slightly more proficient and practised in speaking Japanese

  • @DrWhom

    @DrWhom

    3 жыл бұрын

    another example is "do the 1000 copies and come back" - that's how you construct the imperative mood in Japanese.

  • @bassface8580
    @bassface85804 жыл бұрын

    The knowledge this man has on old school Japanese printing is amazing and thank the lord he is showing the world that it even existed. Its astonishing. The amount of work and skill and detail that is able to be observed is truly mesmerising. I wouldnt know of this craft without Dave. God bless him. Every video he shares is educational and relaxing and you feel almost at home listening to his explanations of the amazing craft he is obsessed with. He is a master of his craft. I'm sure some were better at some points in time but it's amazing what he shows us and explains why things are important etc. I am blown away. Respect sir. May you live forever

  • @Jefferflakes
    @Jefferflakes7 жыл бұрын

    dont apologize i love your rambles

  • @sexycavetroll2788
    @sexycavetroll27885 жыл бұрын

    im so glad I found your channel. it was around Christmas and I was put in the hospital due to crohns. ended up needing a operation 2 days after Christmas and I was really depressed. I found this channel and was really inspired. I am a artist but mainly as a hobby and pencil and paper but just seeing the passion and drive with you gave me a lot of joy. I watched video after video of yours because it just helped my mood so much. thank you

  • @GumshoeGamer
    @GumshoeGamer4 жыл бұрын

    Sometimes KZread recommends me something interesting. This is one of those times.

  • @KeredAglo

    @KeredAglo

    3 жыл бұрын

    Definitely worth it though

  • @PixelBytesPixelArtist
    @PixelBytesPixelArtist4 жыл бұрын

    “it’s about an octopus” oh no oh no Oh No OH NO *OH NO*

  • @cbstrange4

    @cbstrange4

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lol I was like “Like the one on Mad Men?” 😂

  • @charles7186

    @charles7186

    3 жыл бұрын

    Man of culture as well, I see 😏

  • @prostatecansir2783

    @prostatecansir2783

    2 жыл бұрын

    The one that started it all.

  • @richardturi6927
    @richardturi69275 жыл бұрын

    Thank you David for keeping the craft alive and your thoughts on our limitations at maintaining the highest levels of skill.

  • @phano6385
    @phano63857 жыл бұрын

    I love to hear stories like this. They inspire me to put even just a little bit more effort and motivation into my own dedications.

  • @chasecomfort3940
    @chasecomfort39407 жыл бұрын

    This is the most wholesome content on KZread. Thank you David Bull.

  • @-overdooo-
    @-overdooo-3 жыл бұрын

    This is my favorite place on the internet.

  • @shawnbottom4769
    @shawnbottom47697 жыл бұрын

    I love this story. I love hearing about "disasters" in the world of a craftsman who then persevered and it became an opportunity to create an even better version. This is the best.

  • @freewithnature
    @freewithnature5 жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love the stories. I could listen to all of them!!!

  • @AndreiBadoiu
    @AndreiBadoiu7 жыл бұрын

    Opening up to us so beautifully! It's through passion that you can teach not only what you love doing, but also about how life led you through so many episodes, good or bad, but all with something to teach, on the work you do and on life itself alike. Keep sharing, there is much to say and we have much to listen, ponder and learn.

  • @scottgrimmett7159
    @scottgrimmett71594 жыл бұрын

    A meditation on life, career, opportunity and the choices that must be made, all wrapped and presented as a tribute to a traditional profession. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

  • @WizardNate
    @WizardNate7 жыл бұрын

    I came home today, heated up some dinner and sat down to watch a video while I ate. I had my fingers crossed that you'd have posted something recently and lo and behold - here it is. I love your videos Dave. Each one manages to teach me something new and your storytelling ability is second to none. Thanks for the great content - I look forward to your next video!

  • @finnybinny22
    @finnybinny227 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for taking the time and effort to make this video. It is great to see someone talk about their true passion

  • @ellasian
    @ellasian7 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are always fascinating, David, but this one was particularly so. Thank you!

  • @JacoxNovak
    @JacoxNovak7 жыл бұрын

    I love listening to this, while I draw! Thank you!

  • @rhiannonm8132
    @rhiannonm81327 жыл бұрын

    This kuchi-e print is perhaps my favorite print that I've seen so far. It's so delicate, so intimate, and so beautiful. I adore it.

  • @justinaldrich692
    @justinaldrich6925 жыл бұрын

    I can't thank you enough for taking the time to make these videos for the public to view. Your extremely talented and humble at the same time. I've watched several of your videos.

  • @BZCAPMOOR
    @BZCAPMOOR7 жыл бұрын

    You are a legend David, amazing stories and insights to this craft. Thank you.

  • @dylangrieveable
    @dylangrieveable5 жыл бұрын

    Never has any KZread channel impacted me in such a positive way as this one; thanks Dave

  • @BobanVagene
    @BobanVagene Жыл бұрын

    Dave, any time I’m stressed out, I watch this video. Not only is your voice relaxing, your pure enthusiasm for your craft is mesmerizing. Thank you for doing what you do!

  • @eddescamp8749
    @eddescamp87497 жыл бұрын

    David - just got to listen to your Mar 30th ramble, and, as usual, it was wonderful to see and hear you talk with such passion about what you do so well. I believe others will join me in pleading with you to find a good office manager to help you organize things, so we can see more of your print-making skills! Thank you for the years of wonderful prints.

  • @rachellane2836
    @rachellane28367 жыл бұрын

    I love to hear your stories David,your work is exquisite and the real life of a modern day artist is fraught with many jobs and many roles that take us away from our true purpose. But take solace in the fact that you,through your vidoes have inspired many of us beyond measure,in your own way passing on a beautiful craft and tradition. It is not time wasted,it is time well invested. Keep well my friend.

  • @enjoiorange
    @enjoiorange7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your work, I look forward to these videos and find them immensely interesting. Please keep carving because it makes the world that much more colorful

  • @barnehurs
    @barnehurs6 жыл бұрын

    A new fan here, nothing better than listening and watching a true master craftsman. I don't know how I got here but listening to David's stories and knowledge i feel privileged

  • @BigSkinnySlimm
    @BigSkinnySlimm4 жыл бұрын

    Something I've struggled with personally is feeling as though I ramble too much. It's caused me actual issues. Beyond the hundred other reasons I very much enjoyed this video for (I could list them if you'd like), I appreciated it for the fact that I've found someone else that communicates the same way I do, and the positive feedback I'm seeing in your comments. Your tangents made me happy, and your apologies slightly sad. Let's resolve to ramble on happily together, and tell the stories we have to tell :) Please keep making these videos. Also, your video about Ito-san was truly moving. I felt as though I'd watched your whole life story, and yet here you are to keep it going for us! What a gift to KZread. Thank you :)

  • @Playerdue
    @Playerdue7 жыл бұрын

    I love to watch these videos, you explain and tell stories in such a natural and interesting way! I really admire your perseverance, it's really inspiring.

  • @chunga668
    @chunga6687 жыл бұрын

    I just stumbled on this channel and can't say enough how much I am enjoying David Bull's videos. Really great! Thank you!

  • @tanyajdewet
    @tanyajdewet Жыл бұрын

    David, how I adore listening to your wonderful adventures in Japanese block printing. Your manner of speaking appeals to me & I love the great intention you put behind every well thought out project. I feel like I’ve missed so much of your journey, but I’m catching up one video at a time. Thank you for sharing your creative life with me (I meant to say us, the KZread audiences) 😊

  • @justakidwholikesmstrlmnt2009
    @justakidwholikesmstrlmnt20092 жыл бұрын

    I am so glad to live in the same part of history as you, kind sir. You are amazing as you can be and I would love to watch you as you reach perfection and as I grow older. This is my way of saying thank you.

  • @TheDripInspector
    @TheDripInspector9 ай бұрын

    Just when you think this can’t can’t go any deeper it does and it’s just so good listening to all of your stories man I love it

  • @duartebarbara9680
    @duartebarbara96807 жыл бұрын

    i love these, listening to people who have knowledge and history with something always have amazing stories to tell.

  • @corntorteeya86
    @corntorteeya867 жыл бұрын

    Wow. You've come a long way, David. Thanks for taking us through your journey.

  • @semibreve
    @semibreve2 жыл бұрын

    Coming back to this video 5 years after it was posted, I truly hope that Mr Bull has found the time he needed to dedicate towards his carving. A beautiful watch as always.

  • @diegoornelas-tapia7676
    @diegoornelas-tapia76766 жыл бұрын

    Love your ramble videos. You've lived an intriguing life, I learn so much upon listening to your stories. Thanks David 🧐👌

  • @BlueMentality
    @BlueMentality2 жыл бұрын

    I really, really, really like your series of videos. Not one fails to make me smile. Thanks for what you do.

  • @JerrythePope
    @JerrythePope7 жыл бұрын

    David, i stumbled upon your channel and found myself absolutely inspired.. thank you for your work, and for sharing your stories.

  • @henochyagami416
    @henochyagami4167 жыл бұрын

    I discovered your videos today and I am already a fan. I dont know anything about woodcarving and traditional japanese printing but your videos are so fascinating and your work is incredibly beautiful.

  • @aidanguerin5192
    @aidanguerin51927 жыл бұрын

    i always feel better about printing after hearing your story. you are a reservoir of inspiration

  • @EnginAtik
    @EnginAtik7 жыл бұрын

    Your stories are honest, fluid and captivating; devotion to one's craft is the magic ingredient I think. Thank you for this video.

  • @denysephenix2349
    @denysephenix23495 жыл бұрын

    Oh David , what a patient and wonderful artist you are. You are humble and it is a pleasure to watch and listen. I hope i can buy some of your art.

  • @II-._.-II-
    @II-._.-II-7 жыл бұрын

    I love these rambles as you like to call them. I can't wait to see that print finished.

  • @Jonas-my6ld
    @Jonas-my6ld4 жыл бұрын

    I love David's videos...very informative, calming, etc.

  • @michaelskov
    @michaelskov7 жыл бұрын

    Hey @David Bull: I hope you are apprenticing someone your amazing skills. I love seeing your work and your passion for it. This video is a great example of that passion and I thank you for a glimpse into your history.

  • @pinacoladaqueen8161
    @pinacoladaqueen81617 жыл бұрын

    I stumbled across your videos and watched, riveted, to your stories. I am a wood burner "beginner" of 2 years.. lifetime artist. Your stories are inspiring and lesson teaching. i have painted several geisha over the years.. watching your carvings, will definitely influence my painting and burnings. Thank you for sharing. 💜💛💚💙

  • @jessicaschultz732
    @jessicaschultz7326 жыл бұрын

    Your videos make me so happy. I might try block printing myself. Even though it is work intensive and requires much skill, you make it look fun and satisfying. Thank you for making these videos

  • @doofwagon
    @doofwagon6 жыл бұрын

    I've never known much about this art, but i've enjoyed these videos. Thank you!

  • @crgaillee
    @crgaillee7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you sir for sharing your stories. I am inspired by you stories of how the masters back in the day did their work. It really makes one appreciate their work AND yours much, much more. Please keep them coming if you are able, it is good to learn the wisdom that you impart. Take care and god bless.

  • @mbaxter22
    @mbaxter227 жыл бұрын

    Much respect to you, sir. On a side note, this is some really darned effective unintentional ASMR.

  • @ThoseWhoDare
    @ThoseWhoDare4 жыл бұрын

    This is very nerdy ...... And very, very interesting. David is analyzing these woodblock prints like Sherlock Holmes. With great enthusiasm. Thanks for that 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

  • @n.b.7994
    @n.b.79946 жыл бұрын

    What an interesting video. Thanks for sharing these ups and downs in your work. Really great listening to these stories.

  • @GraniteValleyDave
    @GraniteValleyDave7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Dave. This is the best birthday present I could've asked for.

  • @danielovercash1093
    @danielovercash10934 жыл бұрын

    I've pretty much gotten the hang of the process, all I come back for is the rambling. I want to absorb all your information to keep it alive

  • @antoniodelmastro9875
    @antoniodelmastro98756 жыл бұрын

    Really love your work. Both your videos / stories and the prints you've made.

  • @casey01204
    @casey012047 жыл бұрын

    An hour and fifteen minutes left of work and I see that I have this too look forward to when I get home :D talented man by a long mile :) keep them videos coming

  • @dflint6633
    @dflint66337 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for sharing your story. Your "rambling" made my day.

  • @DaGrowed
    @DaGrowed7 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic video! Thank you so much! I never realized there was so much to block printing. Inspiring.

  • @beveledeggs7494
    @beveledeggs74947 жыл бұрын

    Love listening to you speak about these techniques, as a young printmaker, these explanations are very valuable to me. Love these videos, thank you.

  • @loathesome_pilk_drinker
    @loathesome_pilk_drinker5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the lovely story David!

  • @Sleepyjackable
    @Sleepyjackable5 жыл бұрын

    I've got to say. I really enjoy these videos. I just found out about you and I'm glad I did. Great stuff, very inspirational.

  • @3arendel
    @3arendel7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so very much Dave, love this. More stories please! Have a great weekend :)

  • @thinkboxtripper
    @thinkboxtripper7 жыл бұрын

    love your stories... So many wonderful life lessons in this one!

  • @Sailordoc3349
    @Sailordoc33497 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful story teller, love these very informative and educational videos....thank you David...

  • @TheDungeonMasterz
    @TheDungeonMasterz7 жыл бұрын

    please please please keep making these kinds of story videos. They are wonderful!

  • @InvisibleMan1306
    @InvisibleMan13067 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait to hear about the new print. Best of luck!

  • @patriciajoubert426
    @patriciajoubert4263 жыл бұрын

    I so just agree with the positive comments already made and I could not express myself as well as they. I feel you are an American treasure who has kept this kind of Japanese carving alive and given us a chance to see some of how it was done. You have worked so hard in a lifetime of exploration and hard work. I wish I had known about you earlier and had had a chance to maybe buy one of your collections of prints. I see you created a business that expanded and allowed you to live. But I can’t help feel sad that this has taken away your time to carve. It is a conundrum of life. Stay poor and carve or make a living and forget how to carve. But it is good that you are so aware of everything and I hope the persistence you have shown in your life will never leave you. Your life in my opinion has been very valuable. Thank you.

  • @malafakka8530
    @malafakka85305 жыл бұрын

    It is really relaxing to listen to your voice and stories.

  • @murathanakordeon
    @murathanakordeon5 жыл бұрын

    Ukiyo-e is so simple so elegant and so art. I love them too especially landscapes :))

  • @MusicScala
    @MusicScala7 жыл бұрын

    As always an amazingly interesting video Dave!

  • @mparis130
    @mparis1307 жыл бұрын

    Another great video. Hearing about the kuchi-e mystery was very cool. I hope you get more time to carve in the future, and I'm looking forward to that octopus print, which I've always wanted to own a copy of!

  • @justenclark3788
    @justenclark37885 жыл бұрын

    wow i love to see this it is a window in to the life and time of someone who has shaped a small part of the lives of us all with his passion to do something that he loves i wish i could make a living with what i love to do instead of just doing what someone else has thought to do i don't have the path of my own

  • @superturtle12
    @superturtle126 жыл бұрын

    Wow! To believe I stumbled onto your channel a year after purchasing the Wolverine print feels like I’ve been missing out on fantastic work for years. I do hope you get to continue carving for a good long while, and I will keep promoting this practice and art. Cheers!

  • @Blizzarkian
    @Blizzarkian5 жыл бұрын

    This is my new favorite channel!

  • @randzopyr1038
    @randzopyr10387 жыл бұрын

    I love listening to you ramble, in another video someone called you the Bob Ross of woodblock carving/printing and maybe that's a route you could take when you decide that you are "retired" from the technical work - show the world how to get started doing simple things (make your own card prints, postcards, etc...) and encourage the profession to live on.

  • @cmcgloughlin
    @cmcgloughlin7 жыл бұрын

    absolutely fascinating and intensely personal. this is a great, great video. so inspiring. thank you. you give me hope that good things can still be made.

  • @johnpetrov6602
    @johnpetrov66025 жыл бұрын

    Inspirational! We can't wait to see your return!

  • @bookworm321
    @bookworm3215 жыл бұрын

    Please don't ever stop rambling! I have been watching your videos since a few days back I found your website and all I can say if that your videos and stories are one of those moments that make it worth it to spend time on youtube! Each truly is a pearl! (And I have signed up for that one print "involving an octopus" already, so I look forward to it, and the stories you will have to tell. Thank you for sharing your experiences. David, have you ever thought of doing a series sometimes on the "little secrets" of Japanese carving and printmaking, so they may be preserved for future... hobbyists... and craftsmen? That would be invaluable!

  • @navytav
    @navytav4 жыл бұрын

    Just discovered these videos and find my self inspired to get back into printing. I did chuckle at the thought of you doing a shunga print, though!

  • @MrJoedanmx
    @MrJoedanmx7 жыл бұрын

    Just magic, David. Cheers.

  • @kayknouse2855
    @kayknouse285510 ай бұрын

    Dave's melodrama is so endearing

  • @robotslug
    @robotslug7 жыл бұрын

    Don't worry so much about your "ramble" Sir, your passion, your dedication are inspiring and absolutely something to aspire to. I thank you for sharing your craft with us. Sincerely, Thank you.

  • @tair6232
    @tair62323 жыл бұрын

    I am watching this beautiful inspiring videos since two days and its like ASMR for me Very glad to see this majestice beauty

  • @littylegend3630
    @littylegend36303 жыл бұрын

    No such thing as your stories wandering off Dave ! Much love from Kingston Ontario !

  • @47artisan
    @47artisan7 жыл бұрын

    thank you again. A most fascinating ramble it was.

  • @WorldsWorstBoy
    @WorldsWorstBoy5 жыл бұрын

    Became a fan after watching the video you did on Ito. Keep it up.

  • @HierophantMica
    @HierophantMica10 ай бұрын

    I stumbled upon Dave & Mokuhankan randomly on Twitch first, so hearing him worry & wonder how to restructure his business to give him more time to carve (with so many of the streams I watch now being carving streams) is so amusing to me. Don't worry, 2017 Dave! You're getting there :)

  • @sakuramoon5774
    @sakuramoon57747 жыл бұрын

    Loved listening to this video and adore Kuchi-E and Bijin-Ga.