Making a fully bolt-on neck joint - Part 2

Part 2:
For Part 1 follow this link: • Making a fully bolt-on...
After many requests for guidance to execute this neck joint I decided it was worth putting together an in-depth video tutorial. The actual origin of this neck joint is unknown, there are numerous luthiers using variations of this joint today and they all have their own twist on it. This is my adaptation of the process which I have found to work beautifully. If you have any questions don't hesitate to put them in the comments - it is a lengthy process after all! I hope you get something out of this video.
-Zach
Timestamps
0:00 - Step 7: Making Extension Block
3:57 - Truss Rod, Neck Reinforcements, Head Shaping, etc
8:08 - Step 8: Gluing Fingerboard
12:03 - Carving the Neck

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  • @paulsigmon7263
    @paulsigmon72635 ай бұрын

    Very nice. That neck will hold up indefinitely!

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks! I believe so! :)

  • @shockthefox
    @shockthefox9 ай бұрын

    I’ve spent the afternoon and some of the evening watching your videos… a bit of a treehouse rabbit hole🤘

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    9 ай бұрын

    Haha, thanks!! Thanks for diving into the rabbit hole! 😂

  • @CMRWoodworks
    @CMRWoodworks9 күн бұрын

    Cool stuff! I’m using this neck joint method on my current build. It’s my first try at it and I’ve made it as far as routing the mortise in the top and making the tenon to go into it. I’ve used the Gore/Gilet book to make it this far, but it’s really nice to see another perspective on the joint in a video and to see how you do it and take mental notes on things going forward. I’ve already routed the truss rod, so I’ll have to finish it off after gluing in the tenon block. It’s funny, I ended up doing my mortise only 12mm deep and only extended the pocket past the neck-to-body fret by18mm. I was worried it wasn’t far enough because Gore/Gilet go 30mm into their neck. My heel transition comes farther down than theirs which is why I stopped at 18. Seeing you only do 15mm makes me feel better because if it has worked well for you, mine should be fine. I will definitely be pinning it for the glue up like you do. I have been concerned I’ll shift it when clamping. How thick do you make your two piece headblock? Since I only went 12mm deep with the mortise, I’m thinking the part of the headblock under the neck extension is overly thick. The dimensions in the book call for like 35mm which seems huge to me.

  • @zachlefebvre4825

    @zachlefebvre4825

    8 күн бұрын

    Cool, it’s a great neck joint and there seems to be more and more variations as time goes on. Glad you’re finding the video helpful! The extension of the block into the neck isn’t super critical if your block fits into the mortise nicely. I haven’t had issues so far but I’ve considered going further into the neck to make sure I’ll never have an issue. As for the heel block extension, I go with 7/8” thick before sanding the top to radius and such. My upper transverse brace matches that height. And that is plenty. 30mm is wayyyy more than you need.

  • @Art_sold1er
    @Art_sold1er6 ай бұрын

    such great ideas man! keep up the hard work PD: that way of gluing the freboard is genius!!

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    6 ай бұрын

    Haha thanks so much! I wish I could take credit for all of this, but I am merely the one responsible for putting together all the different ideas that I’ve learned from my colleagues over the years. :)

  • @jimnoakes9394
    @jimnoakes9394Ай бұрын

    Excellent approach and execution.

  • @zachlefebvre4825

    @zachlefebvre4825

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks! 😊

  • @miksilala
    @miksilala5 ай бұрын

    Great job , thanks!

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks! And you’re welcome. :)

  • @grandadsworkshop2455
    @grandadsworkshop24556 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the excellent videos Zach very informative I wish you all the very best for the new year👍

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    6 ай бұрын

    Thanks so much! Glad you found the videos helpful. :)

  • @PeteBrownGuitars
    @PeteBrownGuitars Жыл бұрын

    You obviously put a lot of work into these two videos, Zach, and they're incredibly useful. There's plenty of scope for me to improve my current process, and I'm sure I'll be watching them again. I see jig-making in my immediate future!

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    Жыл бұрын

    Ah, thanks so much Pete!! Means a lot! :)

  • @nguyenkhai1
    @nguyenkhai17 ай бұрын

    Great well thought out process and execution Zach.. I've built one of those neck joint jigs like in Robert O'Brien videos. But honestly after seeing your method I'm gonna switch. Your neck joint looks so solid. Thanks for taking the time to put out this info.

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    7 ай бұрын

    Glad you’re making the switch! I bought that jig years ago, used it once and switched over to this method. I’m a firm believer in using jigs with template bits not guide bushings… guide bushings are always sloppy or the bit isn’t centred. Anyway, I’m glad you enjoyed the videos! If you have any questions along the way don’t hesitate to add them here. :)

  • @nolanspencer98
    @nolanspencer982 жыл бұрын

    Awesome videos!

  • @redtreecollectiveguitars

    @redtreecollectiveguitars

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much.

  • @royforest6035
    @royforest6035 Жыл бұрын

    FANTASTIC LESSON!

  • @zachlefebvre4825

    @zachlefebvre4825

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much Roy! :)

  • @GuitaraddictsWorkshop
    @GuitaraddictsWorkshop2 жыл бұрын

    This is a great tutorial! Gives me the confidence to give it a try in the future. Thanks!

  • @zachlefebvre4825

    @zachlefebvre4825

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oh good, I’m glad!! :)

  • @sixthmountain
    @sixthmountain Жыл бұрын

    It's very smart and clever!

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    Жыл бұрын

    I wish I could say that I can take credit, but I learned this from various other luthiers, some of which include Dion James, Jeremy Clark and Trevor Gore, etc. :)

  • @johnpeters211
    @johnpeters2118 ай бұрын

    I like your belt sander setup. I need to do something like that for the neck angle and the headstock thickness.

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    8 ай бұрын

    It works great - if you have a place to bolt on a jig to your belt sander that’s an even better option because then “the two are one”… if you know what I’m saying. 👍🏼 My belt sander doesn’t have anywhere for bolting a jig in to.

  • @johnpeters211

    @johnpeters211

    8 ай бұрын

    @@treehouseguitars Understood. I have an old Delta with a bolt on back stop which is only about an inch high. I'm going to see if a machijne shop can fabricate one which is like 6 inches high and that will allow me to do the neck angle. Headstock thickness I'm stil thinking about.

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    8 ай бұрын

    @@johnpeters211 - I should do a video on my head thicknessing jig… another super simple one (which I wish I could bolt to my sander). Basically I have a platform that sticks out perpendicular to the wall - almost vertical - and I move the belt sander towards it shimmying it back and forth and side to side until I get an accurate, consistent width (between this platform and the roller on the end of the drum sander). It works great and the curve of the roller ends up being my volute curve. If it was attached to the sander I could make fine tuning adjustments instead of shimmying the whole sanded around… maybe with my next sander ;)

  • @mathieugervais4294
    @mathieugervais4294 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much! I am sure gonna work on this joint in the future!

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    Жыл бұрын

    You’re welcome! I hope the video helps guide you through the process. :)

  • @eriveltonmachado4746
    @eriveltonmachado4746 Жыл бұрын

    Perfect

  • @meowmixmeowmix
    @meowmixmeowmix Жыл бұрын

    Amazing content. Just amazing. Please keep up the great work. I was looking into how this style of joint was done.

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much!! I’m glad you’re finding it useful. :)

  • @jimrogers6175
    @jimrogers6175 Жыл бұрын

    Stumbled onto your videos about the bolt in neck. Very nice work! I’m slowly working up the courage to build my first, and found the videos to be very helpful. Thanks!

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh good!! I’m glad you’re finding them helpful. :) Good luck on your first build and if you can think of any topics you’d find helpful don’t hesitate to give us a nudge in that direction! ;)

  • @difalkner
    @difalkner9 ай бұрын

    Very good video and very good technique for creating a bolt-on neck - excellent job! I'm on build #2 and used something similar on build #1 but I may make a few changes and use your solution. Thanks for the video!

  • @zachlefebvre4825

    @zachlefebvre4825

    9 ай бұрын

    You’re welcome! Glad the video was helpful. :)

  • @ultanwalsh
    @ultanwalsh2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @redtreecollectiveguitars

    @redtreecollectiveguitars

    2 жыл бұрын

    You are welcome.

  • @SkyscraperGuitars
    @SkyscraperGuitars2 жыл бұрын

    I've spent the last week sketching out neck joint jig ideas... I'm getting close to one that will work... You're explanation of your process has been a great help! I'm enjoying your detailed explanations. -Greg

  • @redtreecollectiveguitars

    @redtreecollectiveguitars

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oh awesome!! Glad my explanation helps. Let me know when you’ve made one or a few, I’d love to check them out and maybe add a link to this video description. :)

  • @davidjennings9253
    @davidjennings9253 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent work!!! I love how organised you are - it really pays off. I have to say I prefer my fingerboard extension to go a lite furrther into tthe neck to balance the amount into the guitar block more but I am impressed with the order of which you tackle each process. Well done Can't wait to see it finished.

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks David! I’ve been wanting to try it that way - it does make sense. So far the way I do it in the video works great, but even for ease of lining up the insert block accurately to the neck blank a longer block makes sense. Thanks for watching and appreciating the work I put into the video! :)

  • @waynejohnson4819
    @waynejohnson4819 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent instructional videos (Part 1 and Part 2). I will be using your fully bolt-on neck joint method on the guitar that I am now building. I just need to get busy making the template jigs. Fully bolt-on neck joint is the way to go! WJ Guitars Australia

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    Жыл бұрын

    Awesome!! I’m glad you found the videos helpful and I hope the neck joint goes smoothly for you. :)

  • @waynejohnson4819

    @waynejohnson4819

    Жыл бұрын

    @@treehouseguitars Thanks for your reply comment. Spending the extra time to install a fully bolt on neck system is a major improvement for a service adjustment to the neck angle if required.

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    Жыл бұрын

    @@waynejohnson4819 - I agree. It adds quite a bit of time to the build process, but I think it’s very worthwhile for the sake of the guitars’ futures.

  • @EricKnapp
    @EricKnapp9 ай бұрын

    Thanks for these videos, they are very helpful. I have a question about them. Is the vertical bolt into the block necessary? I see that for your archtop guitars you don't have one. I am working on guitar #3 and I use elevated fretboards. I'm wondering with an elevated block under the fretboard that is not touching the top if this would be acceptable.

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    9 ай бұрын

    Hey! Glad you’re finding the videos helpful. :) If you’re doing an elevated fingerboard that’s floating above the top then of course you don’t need a bolt. If you are doing an elevated fingerboard that is in contact with the top I would recommend the vertical bolt just because it eliminates any potential for buzzing - also if you bolt it all together before planing/sanding/radiusing your fretboard you can get optimum string clearance and playability that will remain stable because it’s all held together as a solid unit. Not saying it can’t be done, but if it was me I would include the vertical bolt. 🤷🏻‍♂️ -Zach

  • @EricKnapp

    @EricKnapp

    9 ай бұрын

    @@treehouseguitars Thank you! I'm trying to learn to make guitars on my own and it's really great when you experienced pros share your knowledge.

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    9 ай бұрын

    @@EricKnapp - happy to help! :)

  • @royforest6035
    @royforest6035 Жыл бұрын

    Are you using white glue? Not Titebond?

  • @redtreecollectiveguitars

    @redtreecollectiveguitars

    Жыл бұрын

    I use various glues including white glue, yes. What you are referring to is LePage's white PVA glue - it dries hard and it is reversible with heat and moisture. -Zach

  • @cathys465
    @cathys465 Жыл бұрын

    I didn't notice you installing an adjustable truss rod. Did I miss that scene? Or do you believe that the carbon bars will eliminate any future need to adjust the curve of the neck? PS: get a better microphone. Your vocals leave much to be desired.

  • @redtreecollectiveguitars

    @redtreecollectiveguitars

    Жыл бұрын

    I think every guitar should have a truss rod - I did install one in this guitar along with the carbon fibre reinforcements, it may not have been obvious in the video. My apologies about the microphone, I'm still a rookie when it comes to making videos. ;)

  • @watchnlearn2731
    @watchnlearn2731 Жыл бұрын

    Abooot. Must be a Canadian.

  • @treehouseguitars

    @treehouseguitars

    Жыл бұрын

    Haha, did I say abooot???

  • @watchnlearn2731

    @watchnlearn2731

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes